[BBush]

I've got a little Christmas money burning a hole in my pocket. I've got the bug for a new 9mm. Trying to decide between the Glock 19 and the Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm. I like both models and have heard pro and cons on comparisons for both models. I have been thinking about getting the Glock for a few months now, but have recently started considering the S&W with the positive reviews that I have seen from some people. Which one is generally going to be more accurate, especially if you were to compare the two with a ransom rest and you use quality ammo? I have heard that some people feel that the Smith fit their hands better due to the interchangeable back straps, but both feel pretty comfortable to me. I like the fact that it is easy to get Glock parts and the fact that the Glock has a good reputation for being very dependable. The Smith hasn't been out for very long, so time will tell if it will hold up as well. I do know that Smith does have an excellent repair department if I should ever need it. One of the biggest complaints that I hear about the Glock is the lack of a traditional safety, but am I right in the fact that the Smith doesn't have one either? Let me hear your opinions so that I can go ahead and make my mind up.

[tango3065]

Glock, also if the no safety thing bothers you do what I'am doing to my new G19 and install a NY trigger which cost 3 bucks. I recently went through the same dilema and tried a lot of guns including the Glock, M&P, and the XD and I decided to pony up the extra cash and get the Glock. BTW which ever one you go with will serve you well.

[hollowpointt]

I have had Glocks and sold them to purchase the M&P 9 and 40. Like you stated the Smith does not have the track record of the Glock, but both of mine have been flawless to date. I think they both shoot better than I can. The M&P just felt better in my hand. That was the only reason for selling the Glocks.

[Searcher1911]

I have both a Glock and a S&W M&P. Both are really good pistols. I think the ergonomics are a tad better on the S&W. I don't particulary like how hard the slide release is though. Glock gets the nod for the best magazines both in price and feel. I have not had a problem with either type of pistol. I give S&W the nod because they are an American company (again).

[10-Ring]

Go Glock! ;)

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/10-Ring/P1020934.jpg

The G19 rocks! ;)

[SAG0282]

Another "Go GLOCK" vote!


http://myspace-895.vo.llnwd.net/01380/59/88/1380188895_l.jpg

[yongxingfreesty]

glock, im not feeling the mp9mm

[jamz]

The G19 is a classic, and everyones collection should have one. I have one, I had sold a Sig P239 to get it. It is kind of my "SHTF" gun.... I don't carry it much, I prefer the j-frames and 1911s for that. That said, it is not necessarily the better gun, , it is just Very Good.

I've only shot the M&P 40, but if the 9 is anything like that, I much prefer the M&P's trigger and overall feel. Give the new M&P line twenty years, and they might have the same reputation.

[Autolycus]

I would go with the Glock 19 as well. I am not a very big Smith fan though,

Glocks work. Its as simple as that. They are easy to maintain and do what they are supposed to when you need them to.

But if you really want a nice 9mm get an HK P2000.

[rbernie]

I'm a real fan of the M&P - I think S&W got this one right.

It points more naturally for me and is far more ergonomic than the Glock, the triggers on the three that I own are all quite crisp once you get past the safety takeup, the mag capacity is superb for the grip frame size, and the replacable backstraps means that my wife and I can share the same basic pistol. The M&P balances a lot nicer than the Glock, at least to me. The best part is that the M&P is almost a hundred dollars less expensive than the Glock 19.

The Glock right now has the advantage in mag prices and holster availability.

[TOADMAN]

Glock....

[mattf7184]

I bought an M&P and liked it so much I sold off my Glock 19 to finance an M&P compact.

If you do a search, I wrote some comparisons between my Glock 19 and my M&P Fullsize in my Fullsize Range Report.

[gandog56]

None of the above. I have a Ruger KP89DC. Wouldn't trade it for either. And they're a heck of a lot cheaper than both of the others. I don't like plastic on my guns.

[SniperStraz]

... the M&P!!! I hear great reports, plus everyone and his brother has a glock. The M&P is pretty much the best gun out there (except for the mag disconnect)

[JDGray]

I pondererd the same question, and I'm getting the 19. Its a proven gun, with plenty of holster choices. I love shooting my Brothers 17 so much, I had to get a Glock!:D

[shootergirl88]

I'd go with a Glock. Their entire history with firearms manufacture is in the semiauto area. Conversely, Smith and Wesson makes great revolvers, but only started to manufacture semiautos because everyone else was doing it. This definitely shows in the quality of their semiautos.

[Biggums]

I've owned mine since 1990, Glock 19 and it's my "go to gun" out of all of my collection.

[possum]

i personally have never been impressed with smith autos, i think they should stick to wheel guns. the back straps being able to be changed out is a plus, but there are other guns that do this as well. i would say go with the glock, and a 19 at that you can't go wrong.

[swingset]

M&P all the way.

1. 1911 Grip Angle
2. Lo-mount Novaks
3. Interchangeable backstraps
4. You can shoot lead with a factory barrel
5. Better trigger, that's VERY easy to improve even more
6. Thinner in the hand
7. Modular rails, easy to repair or replace
8. Low boreline
9. American Made
10. Smith Customer Service is THE BEST
11. Cheaper than Grock
12. No one will bug you at the range with Kaboom stories about your pistol.

Gosh, that list looks good now that I've typed it out. I think I'll add a third M&P to my stable when the .45 hits the shelves!
:evil:

[M&P9C]

http://imgfreehost.com/out.php?i3264_mp.JPG

M&P OR BOTH!

[tango3065]

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q249/mastinson/Glock19-1.jpg

[MK11]

I've been debating the same question and just got the chance to try the full-sized M&P last night. I loved it. Every time I shoot a Glock, I try to convince myself to like it (great track record, lot's of accessories, etc.). But why wrestle fight with a gun you have to bring yourself to like?

Go try both and pick the one you like better.

[OHtard]

i have a 26, 17, 19, 30. i recentley picked up a m&p compact in 9mm. it is my new everyday carry gun. i say try them both and see witch one you like the best. i personally like the grip angle of the m&p, but will keep my glocks. my 17 is used for idpa and uspsa. until the m&p parts have flooded the market,and there magazines are 16 dollars a peice. it will always have a spot in my safe. JOE

[big44]

I'd vote for the Glock. I like the looks of the M&P but it hasn't proven itself yet. Another reason is Smith & Wesson auto's don't resale as well. Before everyone says they will never sell their guns let me say this. I was diagnosed with cancer a year and a half ago. With the huge costs of copays and such my guns had to go. The Glocks went best but I had to take a huge loss on my Smith auto's, including their 1911.

[lamazza]

Go GLock!

[hexidismal]

hmmmm, neither , I say go XD :cool:

[tango3065]

I say go XD :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :neener:

[SouthpawShootr]

I have both and prefer the G19. The S&W offering is nice and I like it, but I feel like it would be let go if I had to get rid of one or the other.

[MassMan]

My brother just bought one from Hoffman's in CT. List price was almost $700 and they were selling them for $399 with 2 17 rd mags. Damn, I wish I didn't live in Mass, where I can only have 10 rd. mags.:(

[brentwal]

Glock

[Kenneth Lew]

Glock

1. Proven history of reliability and durability.
2. Easy to get parts.
3. A monkey can service the gun.
4. Tons of accessories.

Forget the problems with Kabooms. In the recent few weeks I've seen several pistols from different manufacturers Kaboom due to ammunition.

[Phil DeGraves]

Smith, hands down.

[mstirton]

I got the 26 for my 4th handgun 4 years ago and I carry it 75% of the time. I have a MP9 at my FFL now waiting for me to pick up. I think it looks promising and the positive reviews for S&W service sold me.

[MadMercS55]

The Glock 19 is one heck of an efficient platform if it's ergonomics work for you. Some people just don't like the way they feel, myself included. However it does have ease of maintenance and you can do most repairs yourself, abundant supply of parts and accessories and generally a proven track record of performance.
The M&P is still relatively new, may or may not have some unknown growing pains and for the most part repairs would probably involve shipping the weapon back to Smith right now. After a few more years it may have the same supply market that the Glock does, so to me, the M&P has great potential.
I would say go handle both side by side, get some trigger time on both if possible and then decide from there. I like the feel of the M&P from the start, but I always have to "try" to like Glocks grip.

[Loanshark]

I think if you like the Glock as well as your other options your choice is clear. I don't think you can find a longer lasting, more reliable pistol for the money. They tend to be accurate as well. Also you mention Glock parts being easy to get???? Who do you know that has had to buy Glock parts????:neener:

[PaladinX13]

Any word on when the Compacts might be getting the revisions (or if they even need them)?

I've been looking at the M&P9C... not sure if I can justify getting one since I shoot the G19 so well (I wouldn't say the G19 is comfortable in my hand, but somehow it forces my hand to hold it exactly the same way each time which has translated into accuracy) and the M&P9C has similar dimensions & weight with 3 less rounds. Sadly, haven't had a chance to hold one yet....

[DomMega]

None of the above. I have a Ruger KP89DC. Wouldn't trade it for either. And they're a heck of a lot cheaper than both of the others. I don't like plastic on my guns.

www.ccfraceframes.com

For those of you wondering, the above company now makes lightweight aluminum and stainless steel frames for the full size Glock pistols. So the whole not liking plastic on your guns isn't an excuse anymore. However I believe you have be somewhat of a Glock fan to want to do this because they're about $279 or so for the frame and the recommend a Glock armorer or certified gunsmith to do the job for you so the gun doesn't become out of battery. I just read about this in American Handgunner and I think its actually a pretty slick setup. Plus there's nothing wrong with doing a little customization, especially on a Glock, which is a gun people are really only use to seeing one way at the range.

[jon_in_wv]

+1 for the Smith. I have a fullsize and a compact M&P 9mm. I love them both. I've never been a fan of the Glocks but the Smith sold me. I'll be getting a .45 as soon as its available.

[The Lone Haranguer]

Originally posted by rbernie:
I'm a real fan of the M&P - I think S&W got this one right.

It points more naturally for me and is far more ergonomic than the Glock, the triggers on the three that I own are all quite crisp once you get past the safety takeup, the mag capacity is superb for the grip frame size, and the replacable backstraps means that my wife and I can share the same basic pistol. The M&P balances a lot nicer than the Glock, at least to me. The best part is that the M&P is almost a hundred dollars less expensive than the Glock 19.

The Glock right now has the advantage in mag prices and holster availability.
Agreed. I own both.

[S&W620]

In my opinion, Glock's specialty is 9mm pistols. The G17 and G19 are two of thier finest models, if not the finest, in their entire model line. Go with the 19, you won't regret it.

[Glockfan.45]

I love my 19, and when I live in a state that allows me to carry again it will likely become my main carry gun. The 19 IMO (after owning 4 Glocks) is the best product in their line. I am selling my other three and only keeping the 19. It would be an excellent choice that will serve you well over the years.

The MP line looks interesting to me, and I have yet to hear anything bad about them. I have a SW40VE that has been flawless aside from the heavy trigger pull which I fixed. I think Smith has done alot to fix their line of autos and I wouldnt have any fear of buying another. All I can say is get the one that feels best to you.

[Trope]

I have a G19 and my wife has a M&P9c. They're both fine pistols. If I were choosing new, I'd probably go with the S&W due to the trigger and ergonomics. But the difference isn't enough to make me want to get rid of my Glock.

[axeman_g]

I think it is really orange versus tangello.

What I mean by that is that they are both the same format and it will really come down to your personal feel or feelings.

While the G19 is the more proven, has far more access and mods for it and IMHO the 9mm polymer pistol all others are measured against.... it still feels like crap in my hand. Funny how I shoot them well, I just cant stand they way they feel when shooting. Glock is the orange.... been there done that and it will always be an orange.

The M&P 9mm is a great feeling gun, good ergonimics, easy to use and affordable. Eventually the access and fanbase might reach half the size of the glocks base. M&P is the the Tangello and they are new on the scene... some think they taste better then oranges.

When they start making Tangello juice is when I will buy into it.

[glockman19]

The Glock 19 is the Original, every other polymer gun is trying to be a Glock. The Glock 9mm handgun is IMHO the finest 9mm ever produced with the 17, 19 being the best of the bunch, the 34, 26 are also fine firearms.

That being said S&W make the best revolvers today with Ruger a close second.

Revolvers: S&W, Ruger

Semi Auto Pistols: Glock, HK, Sig, Khar

1911's: Kimber, Ed Brown, Les Baer, Colt, Spingfield.

Not all but the best of breed

[md7]

i tend to like the glock because it has been out a while, and is proven. the fact that it is easy to work on and get parts for doesn't hurt.

[cbsbyte]

I have not shot a M&P pistol, but I have held a full size .40 calber version. I would say the egronomics are excellent. The gun point naturally, and has a familar 1911 angled grip. The trigger on the display version was gritty to say the least, with a bit of play in the movement. Nothing a quailty gunsmith could take car of in short time. I was looking at buying the 9mm version which only recently was legalized for sale in Mass. To bad Smith had to make the trigger 10lbs to pass Mass AG requirements before being sold in state. The M&P is one of the few plastic pistols we can buy new in this state since Glocks, and other manufactures are not approved for sale.

[Blackadder]

I have a Glock 19...17, 20, 21, 27, 36 (2), and a 32 that I'll pick up on Friday. That said, I'm not going to give you an "official" opinion because I really like the M&P and think Smith really nailed this one.

I grew up in Athens, graduated from UGA, so I'm forever a "bleed Red and Black" Dawg fan. The same applies to my affinity for Glocks: It's just what I like the best and what I'll always shoot and carry if I have a choice. Whether it's the best or not just doesn't enter the equation for me.

So, if you like the S&W, go for it.

[tydephan]

I have a Glock 19...17, 20, 21, 27, 36 (2), and a 32 that I'll pick up on Friday.
Hey man, while you're in the gun store, you should take a look at the Glocks. I bet you'd like'em!

:neener: :p

Glock = righteous :evil: fun!

Roll Tide!

[tydephan]

I have to agree with Blackadder on this one. I own a G19, G22 and G26. I also own a full size M&P 9mm.

I shoot all of them regularly. I love the ergonomics of the M&P, but I trust my life and those of my family with Glock.

The M&P is a real pleasure to shoot though.

Buy what tickles your fancy (not that the original poster is still trying to spend his Christmas money...LOL - but for others that may stumble upon this thread).

[usa1993]

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/evans9guns/guns002.jpg:neener:

[axeman_g]

Blackadder ....

If you grew up in Athens (one of my favorite towns in the world... UGA grad here!) I know where you got your Glocks.. Franklins or the range store. I am wondering if I know you .... dont happen to have any affiliation with a local downtown bar do you?

[Matt King]

... the M&P!!! I hear great reports, plus everyone and his brother has a glock. The M&P is pretty much the best gun out there (except for the mag disconnect)


Not all models come with the magazine disconnect.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=45932&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y

[PhillyGlocker]

Get the G19. One of the best handguns in the world!

[kerank]

Well, I'd vote G19, and here's why...

I've been trying my darnedest to find a better option than the G19. I guess I feel the need to be different. I own or have owned several pistols that "feel better" when holding them in my hand (M&P full size .40, CZ 75 P-01, CZ75B, SIG 239). While the CZs and the SIG are more accurate pistols, the G19 beat them all at the range in medium to rapid fire. I'm not all that good, so "rapid" for me is probably slow for a lot of you guys :D .

The G19 feels pretty good in my hand, just a little odd with the grip angle....but on the range, it proves itself in the results. It seems to allow me to lock my wrist better, and have a very consistent grip on the pistol. And that "spongy" feeling trigger....is consistent with a very positive and short reset. It begs to be shot fast.

All that to say...what a gun "feels" like in the store doesn't always translate to the range. Try to put as many rounds through both if it's possible for you. Oddly enough, I'm not as consistent with the full size Glocks.

[model4006]

M&P for the win! i own the .40 and love it. i can hit a 5" wide tall piece of steel with mine at 100 yds, so i know its very accurate. all the glocks around here magically started costing the same as the M&P after they came out.

[Blackadder]

Originally Posted by axeman_g
Blackadder ....

If you grew up in Athens (one of my favorite towns in the world... UGA grad here!) I know where you got your Glocks.. Franklins or the range store. I am wondering if I know you .... dont happen to have any affiliation with a local downtown bar do you?

How 'bout them Dawgs!

I did buy a couple from Franklin's, but I usually deal with Shuler's in Gainesville, GA.

I ended all associations with bars downtown when I graduated, but never had any affiliations other than loyal patron;) .

I still get to the Georgia Theater now and again if there's a good band playing.

[FieroCDSP]

The Glock 19 is the Original, every other polymer gun is trying to be a Glock

This comment is the same as saying every Assault rifle is trying to be an AK, every SMG is trying to be the Thompson, or every Anti-armor rocket is trying to be a Bazooka. It's simply not true. There is a diversity of design despite the fact that form follows function. Glock made a polymer gun, which was more affordable, has fewer parts, and has incredible reliability, compared to say, a 1911 (not knocking, just saying. I like 1911's).
As far as polymer frame, the japanese basicly began the plastic car revolution. In 1975, less than 20% of cars had plastic bodies (haven't checked that, but how many 1975 plastics have you seen?) Now, less than 20% of cars have metal bodies. Point is, with the plasics evolving and embedding themselves further into our lives, it was only a matter of time before someone made a successful polymer frame gun. Remove Glock from history and there would have been someone else.

S&W has developed a polymer frame gun that is extremely well recieved by almost everyone who has fired one. This should be commended, and anyone that has the opportunity should try one, rather than sticking to brand only.
I'm interested in finding out what the original poster went with and how he likes it, since it's been almost 4 months since the post.

[cousinelmer1]

I wondered also which way he went, maybe too much cash and it fell out of his pocked when it burned the hole.

[axeman_g]

Adder,
Shulers is a good store... nice people and great prices. Ahh the Georgia Theater... the worst beer in the world served by the smelliest people while listenting to sometimes great but usually mediocre music. God I miss that town.

[ojdidit]

Well the vote is something like 26 for Glock and 15 for the M&P, with a few on the fence and a couple of "other" votes (Springfield guys). My first choice is that you buy both and then do a range report! :evil:

OJ

[karz10]

Ok, I'm gonna say it again. G19 - 33rd mags :evil:

You don't have to count my vote again, but just trying to drive home the point! I like the M&P though.

Karz

[Pud]

My M&P 9mm is one of the best pistols I have....
Some advice, is try whatever ones you like, and see what "suites" you better.

Although I think you will be PLEASANTLY surprised by the M&P!!:p


Pud

[jon_in_wv]

I bought my M&P becuase it felt to me like a next generation Glock. Superb ergos, wrokable trigger, beautiful machining and finish. All that changed when I took it to the range. It flat shoots. It is amazingly wasy to shoot and has the least recoil of any 9mm I've ever shot. The front sight is so easy to track during rapid fire and its very accurate. Glocks are good guns but I won't trade my M&P for anything.

[MYNEWSONG]

I went to the gun range today and rented both pistols.
Here is my opinion.
Both shoot equally well. If i had to buy today i would go with the smith. Why?. First of all i noticed a lot less recoil with the s&w. Secondly, the smith felt so much better in my hand. The glock trigger guard seem to rub on my middle finger. Thirdly, the slide is quite low on the glock. Low enough to take some hide off your hand when a right hand shooter would use is left hand to steady with. I know you glock fans are going to hate me for what i have just stated, but for me and i am no expert for sure but i will go with the gun I actually felt the most comfortable shooting. Its a personal thing and for me, i would go with
the s&w mp 9.

[Prion]

Hopefully he's made up his mind by now!

[MikePGS]

LOL yeah one can only hope so!

[Full Metal Jacket]

glock for 9mm.

m&p for 40cal.

[easyg]

Thirdly, the slide is quite low on the glock. Low enough to take some hide off your hand when a right hand shooter would use is left hand to steady with.
Judging from this remark, I would say that your shooting grip is all wrong.

As for the M&P vs the Glock....

You really can't go wrong, but the Glock has the more proven track record.
Heck, the G19 is already a modern classic.

[gglass]

I will probably never go back to Glock. The M&P has forever changed my expectations of a polymer framed pistol.

Get the M&P! You will love it.

P.S. If you go with the M&P, you really need to get the Apex Tactical drop-in sear. This $29 upgrade will give you a very 1911 like feel to your trigger. It is a 5 minute upgrade and the difference is AMAZING!

http://apextactical.com/hp_zencart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=7&zenid=s9rshivqkqlg6b7hjiutj0kdh7

[gglass]

You really can't go wrong, but the Glock has the more proven track record.

The flintlock had a proven track record... Should innovation have stopped there? ;)


P.S. I just realized that this thread is as old as a flintlock.

[easyg]

The flintlock had a proven track record... Should innovation have stopped there?
Actually, I don't think that it did.

Can you provide some evidence?

I mean without modern media, we'll never know how many died because their flintlock failed them.
And gun makers did not have "recalls" for defective guns and such (no lawsuits to worry about really).

[19-3Ben]

LOL yeah one can only hope so!

Yeah. You wouldn't want to rush into a decision. Right, Mike? :neener::neener:

[Taurus_9mm]

..with your Glock out. :D

[MikePGS]

LOL good point Ben, good point.

[huduguru]

There have been a few cases of M&P's MIM striker breaking from
dry firing. I can't believe they make the strikers out of MIM! The bottom
line is what matters to Clinton & Wesson, not your life. May as well buy a
Sigma, it's $200 cheaper. Here is a link to the broken strikers:

http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=79152

It's been stated on the M&P forum that S&W puts more quality control
into the M&P's designated as LEO. Clinton & Wesson thinks that
LEOs lives are more important than yours and your family.

It's on the M&P forum also. Buy the Glock, the grip might not feel as nice,
but it is a tested design, and the QC is the same between LEO's and
civilian models.

The M&P is just a cheap MIM copy...

[Water-Man]

In 9mm, go Glock. It has a much better trigger also!

[Full Metal Jacket]

In 9mm, go Glock. It has a much better trigger also!


+1. i wasn't too crazy about the tiggers on my m&p's. especially the 45 which s&w makes 1.5 bls heavier than the rest for some reason....

m&p's also don't have a very discernible trigger reset, and they're quite gritty. sometimes the grittiness smoothes out with firing, and sometimes not.

[PlasticGun]

My carry gun is an M&P .40 and I have a Glock 21, different guns for different purposes. I like them both, accurate, reliable. Pick the one that fits you best, like shoes you need to try them on to see if they are comfortable.

[tacdad]

M&P no contest! The glock is a good pistol but the M&P is FAR superior. Ergonomics alone prove that. I carried the M&P when I worked as a LEO and I had to buy my own weapon. I would go with the Smith.

[Damon555]

This thread was started over 5 years ago...

[tacdad]

Wow.....don't I feel stupied....

[19-3Ben]

No need to feel "sutpied." We all get our brains eaten by a zombie thread at some point.

It's kind funny to look back on the comments from 2006 about how the M&P has not proven itself and nobody knows if they hold up. Back then it had only been out for what? A year? If even that? I think it's cool to look back and see the trepidation with which we looked at a now very established gun when it first came out.

[beeenbag]

It's kind funny to look back on the comments from 2006 about how the M&P has not proven itself and nobody knows if they hold up. Back then it had only been out for what? A year? If even that? I think it's cool to look back and see the trepidation with which we looked at a now very established gun when it first came out.


yeah I read quiet a ways through the posts without seeing the date, then I came up on a post that read...
Gosh, that list looks good now that I've typed it out. I think I'll add a third M&P to my stable when the .45 hits the shelves!

This caught my attention and I had to go to the end to see who the thread necrophiliac was, come to find out, it has happend twice with this thread. It stopped in april of 07 then fired back up in march of 2010, ran a few days now here it is again.

[soapboxpreacher]

I tried hard to like the glock. It isn't about a dislike but it is more about the fact that I just don't shoot it as well as I do the m&p. The grip angle is more natural for me on the m&p and it points more naturally as well. I like the back strap options on the m&p for the glock (3rd gen) was a one size fits all and even the 4th gen is margin in grip improvement. The glock is also blocky and I never liked the sights. The m&p for me was a more natural ergonomic and comfortable gun. I have shot over 500 round thru a 17 and still never became comfortable or good with it. My advice is shoot both...no matter what we say about them you might shoot one better than the other and that makes all the difference.