10 vs 12


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Kilrain
January 6, 2003, 05:20 AM
Not really 10 vs 12, more like 10 compared to 12, for informational purposes..............cause inquiring minds want to know:

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Just in case anyone here was wondering about the difference between a 10 gauge and a 12 gauge................it is substantial!

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Coronach
January 6, 2003, 09:58 AM
Whats the intended target, and just how dead does it need to be, anyway?

Mike

HS/LD
January 6, 2003, 11:34 AM
Yeeha!!

I want a 10gauge now! :D

HS/LD

Okiecruffler
January 6, 2003, 08:10 PM
Shot an old bolt action with a 3 foot barrel and a barbed butt pad when I was 15. My bowels haven't been the same since.:what:

Dave McCracken
January 6, 2003, 09:25 PM
Brister called shooting a ten gauge as like being in a car wreck. The few shots I've taken with 10s have been notable for kick, with an exception.

A gently demented gunsmith I knew had bobbed the barrels on an old 10 gauge Greener SXS to about 18" plus a hair. Using old all brass cases, 36 caliber(around .375 actually)balls and 2F black powder, he worked up some low pressure loads that acted more like grapeshot than buckshot as we think of it. This piece shoved instead of bit, and wrought fearful execution in front of the muzzle. One of these delivered center mass on a water jug at 15 yards left me damp.

A modern 10 gauge will handle up to 2 oz or so of shot, if YOU are up to it. And the thing should weigh 12 lbs, going by the Rule of 96.

10s are special mission shotguns,like waterfowl, deer where only buck can be used and turkey. Fun, but heavy, hard kicking and unversatile...

For GP use, can you say"Overkill"?....

HTH...

Kilrain
January 7, 2003, 12:21 AM
Shootin' my 10 gauge ain't all that bad, as long as you limit it to a reasonable number of shots on a given day. Overkill? Yeah, for most things it is. Interesting and fun? You bet!

BTW, that 10 gauge slug weighs 766 grains......:eek:...... :what: !

And leaves the muzzle at 1285 fps........:eek: .............:what: !

And generates 2785 ft/lbs at the muzzle..........:eek: ...........:what: !

Coronach
January 7, 2003, 12:22 AM
I dunno, Dave. Should be ideal for Velociraptors, too.

Mike

HSMITH
January 7, 2003, 01:06 AM
As much as the ten gets hassled about recoil I would much rather shoot a 10 than a 3.5" 12ga!!!!! What does the 10 have that a 12 doesn't? About 5 pounds!!!!! The 3.5" 12 is less than 10% less than a 10 ga in ANY way you want to twist it, those 5 pounds go a long ways. Recoil of the 10 is quite mild compared with a roman candle shooting 12.

Would I trade my SuperX2 3.5" for an SP10? Nope, my X2 will do anything that can be done with a shotgun.

Zundfolge
January 7, 2003, 01:55 AM
I've never shot a 10ga.

The first 12ga. I shot was when I was a young'n and I was warned that I was about to be knocked back 10 feet so I was expecting it to be much worse then it really was :)

So now the question is, would a 10ga. make a better bed side gun then a 12?

If you shorten a 10ga down to the legal limit (don't want my wife and dog shot by the FBI now) would it make a useful home defense weapon ... one you wouldn't shoot a whole lot.

I'm thinking a 10ga with 00 shot would do nicely against goblins in the night ;)


On a side note, when my dad was in the service he knew a guy who collected old rifles and such and he found a 4ga shotgun at an estate sale. Was basically an old slug gun for hunting elephant (according to the manufacturer ... I don't remember the story completely, but I think it was a Winchester single shot). Anyway according to the story, the manufacturer sent him a box of shells and instructed him to shoot it with a partner, back to back while sitting on the ground. Apparently they got about 3 shots off and nobody wanted to shoot anything for a while. dunno how much of this story is true ... my old man has a way of spinning a yarn, especially about his army days ... he also claims he carried a box fed semi auto 10ga while in the jungle :rolleyes:

Neal Bloom
January 7, 2003, 02:04 AM
Back in junior high a friend of my fathers brought a 10 gauge over to the farm. He said it was goose gun and it had the longest barrel I had ever seen. He asked if I wanted to shoot it and I jumped at the chance. Oh boy! What an experience! Even to this day my shoulder will ache thinking about that experience. Seeing these pictures started my shoulder to aching.

Kilrain
January 7, 2003, 02:52 AM
Zundfolge,

I'm thinking a 10ga with 00 shot would do nicely against goblins in the night

Yes, it would do quite the job. The standard 00 buckshot payload for a 10 gauge, 3 1/2 Magnum is 18 pellets........double a standard 12 gauge load. So, when you fire one, 10 gauge buckshot round it is, in essence, like firing both barrels of a double barreled 12 gauge at the same time. Neat trick!

So now the question is, would a 10ga. make a better bed side gun then a 12?

Better? Not really. As Coronach pointed out earlier:

Whats the intended target, and just how dead does it need to be, anyway?

For all of it's power, my 10 gauge, it is an Ithaca Mag-10 that someone decided to make into a copy of the old Roadblocker, is way too heavy and cumbersome to be wielded handily. It would, however, make a good barricade gun if you subscribe to that theory of countering home invasion.

Imagine waiting on the far side of your bed while some POS tears through your house. When POS pushes open the door to your room or tries to forcibly enter.............:what: ...........end of story for him!

Dave McCracken
January 7, 2003, 06:58 AM
Shotguns are effective for HD regardless of gauge. I'd stick with a 12 myself.

If I ever get to the point where I can hunt geese as much as I'd like to, I'd probably spring for an SP-10 with upgrades. Until then, Frankenstein's on duty.

JeFF D
January 7, 2003, 11:48 AM
I've put about 15rds through a friends single bbl 10 gauge with 2 1/4 ounce loads just for fun.

It knocks me back 2 steps but I dont feel any pain for longer than a couple minutes. Its fun!! Maybe its just me.:evil:

KMKeller
January 7, 2003, 12:34 PM
Should be ideal for Velociraptors, too.

I dunno, I'm kinda thinkin' a T-Rex may wet himself if he knows what's about to come his way!

Gordon
January 7, 2003, 11:25 PM
I have a friend that has a Browning BPS 10 ga. with black stock that would look good cut to 18" with rifle sights, think I'll offer a trade...:D

Kilrain
January 8, 2003, 12:37 AM
Here are some pictures of the Mag 10 with my Benelli M3 for comparison:

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I know it is a little fuzzy, but at the time my camera was new!:

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And from the business end:

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And finally, some fine looking tri-tips to make you hungry:

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:D

cratz2
January 8, 2003, 01:34 AM
That is ONE BIG SLUG!

I don't really relish 3 1/2" magnums in the 12 gauge... don't really thing a 10 is for me but more powert o ya! And to whatever the hell you shoot with that thing. :p

WonderNine
January 8, 2003, 02:35 AM
I'm still looking for a 10 gauge SxS coach gun with exposed hammers. Anybody got any ideas??? :(

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