I gotta a mosin!! i got a Mosin!!!


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Antihero
December 26, 2006, 09:29 PM
I picked up a nice looking Mosin today. Its got matching numbers on the bolt reciever and mag baseplate and has been marked "M91/30 Russian 7.62x54R C.A.I Georgia VT" plus a new serial number. Is C.A.I Century Arms?

Its also marked 1942r so im guessing thats the year? The stock is in pretty nice shape, although there is 2 patches, one on the butt and one right by the muzzle. Its got about 98% of its blueing and looks pretty freakin cool! i dont have a digital camers but ill try to find a way to get a pic up here.

I got to fire it in dusk while it was snowing heavily and was getting about 3 inche groups so its a bit better than "Minute-of-nazi". Im sure actually being able to see the sights will tighten the groups up a bit. I admit i felt close to my Russian(well ukranian) roots as i fired it in the heavily falling snow. Also recoil isnt bad at all.

So i payed slighly more than i wanted $119 to be exact, but i think its a nice Mosin. I d love to know if anyone could tell me more about this mosin also!

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bartsimpson123844
December 26, 2006, 09:43 PM
Cool, I am sure you will have tons of fun with yours. I know I do with mine!
Wow, I thought I payed too much for mine at $100...where did you buy yours?

Mr White
December 26, 2006, 09:53 PM
Where was it made? somewhere on the receiver there is either a mark of a hammer or an arrow inside of a triangle.
Hammer = Tula Arsenal
Arrow in triangle = Izhvesk Arsenal

Check out these sites for everything you ever wanted to know about Mosin Nagants.

www.7.62x54r.com
www.russian-mosin-nagant.com
www.mosinnagant.net

Antihero
December 26, 2006, 10:07 PM
Cool, I am sure you will have tons of fun with yours. I know I do with mine!
Wow, I thought I payed too much for mine at $100...where did you buy yours?

I bought it at a place called Black Sheep Sporting goods. It was more than i wanted to pay but other than this Mosin i saw:

2 at Big 5 $89.99 they were um....crap, bad bores,bad stocks etc. we shall never speak of these again..

2 at a pawn shop for $79.99 that were bubbed including one that had the front sight rewelded on.

1 at another pawn shop for $74.99 that looked very nice.....of course the rifling was chewed up and was very warn.

and 3 various models,m44 and 91/30s that started at $189:scrutiny: that looked as if they were attacked by a marauding band of monkeys armed with potato peelers..

Out of those wouldnt you agree that the extra 20 or 30 bucks for one that looks nice and has a good bore?

BTW im having fun with it already!!

JonB
December 26, 2006, 10:11 PM
Very cool. I just ordered one today from Interordnance.com. Paid the few bucks extra for hand selection of bore and (hopefully) matching numbers. I should have it next week!

Antihero
December 26, 2006, 10:11 PM
Where was it made? somewhere on the receiver there is either a mark of a hammer or an arrow inside of a triangle.
Hammer = Tula Arsenal
Arrow in triangle = Izhvesk Arsenal

Check out these sites for everything you ever wanted to know about Mosin Nagants.



According to 7.62x54r.com Izhvesk Arsenal

Mr White
December 26, 2006, 10:48 PM
Izhvesks seem to be the most common. the Tulas seem to e more desirable by collectors but for shooters I don't think htere's much difference. 3 of my 4 are Izhvesks. My roughest and oldest is a Finn M28 with a 1912 Tula receiver but it still shoots 2 MOA groups from the bench.

They wanted $190 for an M44 and a 91/30? They're nuts! $120 for a very good condition 91/30 is a little bit high but not at all unreasonable. As long as its a good shooter and you're happy with it it, was a good buy.

If you really get bit by the MN bug, you'll want to get a Finn. Better triggers and better barrels make for a more accurate rifle.

sctman800
December 26, 2006, 11:09 PM
Check out www.surplusrifle.com great site for any mil-surp weapon, the only bad thing is it will close down in March. All three of my Mosins had really lousy triggers when I got them, but after surplus rifle they are great. Jim.

The Deer Hunter
December 26, 2006, 11:15 PM
Out of those wouldnt you agree that the extra 20 or 30 bucks for one that looks nice and has a good bore?

BTW im having fun with it already!!

I still can beleive that such a decent rifle can be bought for that cheap. A new remington goes for 400, and thats a second hand model and its accuracy in comparable to a mosin.

TX_Shooter
December 26, 2006, 11:20 PM
Cool, but man!!!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/hifi_homeboy/Other/worthless.gif

Antihero
December 27, 2006, 12:58 AM
They wanted $190 for an M44 and a 91/30? They're nuts! $120 for a very good condition 91/30 is a little bit high but not at all unreasonable. As long as its a good shooter and you're happy with it it, was a good buy.


Not only are they nuts they were also surly. I asked if they were willing to work with me on the price and all i got was silence and a :cuss: look. They were in terrible shape too:( All in all i wish i coulda payed about $30 bucks less, but in the long run $30 bucks isnt much.

If you really get bit by the MN bug, you'll want to get a Finn. Better triggers and better barrels make for a more accurate rifle.

Its offical i have Mosinitis:eek: im already imagining having a M44 and a Finn. Unfortunatly i also have Milsurpitis(i wanna k-31!!), Im-a-starving-musician-itis and I-hope-concrete-work-picks-up-soon-cause-i-want-more-Mosins-itis! It may be a fatal case of all 4 itis-es:(

Cool, but man!!!




I dont have a digital camera at the moment. I guess i could scan my Mosin and post it here. It would probably take a lot of scanning though:scrutiny: :D


Check out www.surplusrifle.com great site for any mil-surp weapon, the only bad thing is it will close down in March. All three of my Mosins had really lousy triggers when I got them, but after surplus rifle they are great. Jim.

The trigger isnt half bad on this Mosin, sure it isnt 3lbs and breaking like a glass rod, but it isnt "i hope i dont have to mount a winch on this to pull so i can pull the trigger". Ill still check out the site though. Thank you!

dstorm1911
December 27, 2006, 01:49 AM
Antihero, the Milsurpitis never gets any better its been 34 years since I was aflicted and we just moved onto 16 acres out in the desert outsida Tucson just so we could build an subteranian home for my collection that consists of 4 65'x12 rooms with a 40'x12' ammo room to house almost 1500 rifles just under a thousand handguns 4 registered class 3s and just under 300 subguns..... the cement guys finished covering the underground stuff 5 weeks ago (its 12' down) and have just started pouring the foundation for the house... my wife is still hysterical bout the fact that we have more $$ tied up in the gun collections house than we will have in the house we'll live in :evil: I ain't told her yet that I'll be mostly livin downstairs hehehe

Hoppy590
December 27, 2006, 02:00 AM
i paid 110 for mine, same rifle, izhevsk, 1942, CAI. saw one today for 95$, buit looked like it was beaten with a german. :p

alot of good MN are going fast, and the crudy ones are gettine more expensive

Antihero
December 27, 2006, 02:07 AM
Antihero, the Milsurpitis never gets any better its been 34 years since I was aflicted and we just moved onto 16 acres out in the desert outsida Tucson just so we could build an subteranian home for my collection that consists of 4 65'x12 rooms with a 40'x12' ammo room to house almost 1500 rifles just under a thousand handguns 4 registered class 3s and just under 300 subguns..... the cement guys finished covering the underground stuff 5 weeks ago (its 12' down) and have just started pouring the foundation for the house... my wife is still hysterical bout the fact that we have more $$ tied up in the gun collections house than we will have in the house we'll live in I ain't told her yet that I'll be mostly livin downstairs hehehe

:what:

So can i come over and shoot some??? Before you make a decision let me mention that i read every post you make as if it was scripture, and i admire you deeply......... ok so im lying but you cant blame me for trying can you?:D

I gotta say that i hope to one day get a collection like that!

aaronrkelly
December 27, 2006, 05:06 AM
I recently paid $59 for mine from SOG during their Christmas sale.....shes a beauty. Flawless bluing and perfect bore....

91/30

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/aaronrkelly/All%20Guns/M9130.jpg

44

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/aaronrkelly/All%20Guns/Image00007.jpg

Antihero
December 27, 2006, 12:52 PM
I recently paid $59 for mine from SOG during their Christmas sale.....shes a beauty. Flawless bluing and perfect bore....

91/30



Mine looks like this except it doesnt have a cleaning rod, and the wood is much darker.

Did it come like that or is that after you cleaned it up?

Nice Mosins man!

Antihero
December 27, 2006, 01:08 PM
Also is it wrong to want to put on lights and stuff on my mosin like the AR's and such??

Im thinking of putting on, to reflect how old it is and how little im payed for it, a gas lantern and 2 candles on it. Does anyone know of a company that sells mounts for this??:D






Ok so im not really jealous, but i thought of that as i was woken up after 4 hours of sleep by my mom who had car problems. So my morning was:

Wake up, drive over to parents house, jump her car, watch her drive in to berm, watch her let car die, take battery out to charge it as i cant get to the front of the car which is now plowed into snow berm, get car started, push car out, watch as car gets stuck again, become exasperated with life,wonder why she hasnt replaced her Fairmont, come up with Mosin idea, push car out again, watch car get stuck again, push car out of way, start dads Bronco II drive to where car is stuck, tell mom take this car, get back in my car,drive home, get assaulted by my 6 month old English Mastiff & Anatolian Shepherd mix puppy, take puppy out, fondle Mosin, feed puppy, fondle Mosin more,attempt to sleep, curse world and all snow, get up, get on computer.


So hows everyone's else morning going??

ArchAngelCD
December 27, 2006, 01:25 PM
I got very lucky when I bought my 91/30. The stock has a deep rich color to it without any marks or dents. The barrel was so clean that I got nothing out of it when I ran a patch through it. I got all that for only $96.

Here is a photo of the stock:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/ArchAngelCD/DSCN1982.jpg

Here is a photo of the front:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/ArchAngelCD/DSCN1984.jpg

Here is the 91/30 with the M44 (The M44 cost me only $85)
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/ArchAngelCD/DSCN1981.jpg

CNYCacher
December 27, 2006, 03:09 PM
Got one for Christmas from my wife. Here's some pics:

http://richnamy.com/gallery/d/30530-2/100_2063.JPG

http://richnamy.com/gallery/d/30542-2/100_2069.JPG

Hands up, snowman!
http://richnamy.com/gallery/d/30545-2/100_2074.JPG
By the way, I am fully prepared to destroy the snowman. . . and the teacups.

All the wood is still coated in cosmoline. I would like to fully remove the cosmo and then refinish the stock. Will post more pics when that is done.

bartsimpson123844
December 27, 2006, 03:38 PM
CNYCacher- Please, please, do not mess with the stock. That finish is the original finish and you would be ruining that awesome piece of history that is the M44 Mosin Nagant. Please leave it be...

CNYCacher
December 27, 2006, 03:52 PM
:uhoh:

Can I melt the rest of the cosmo off it?

packnpundit
December 27, 2006, 04:01 PM
Me too. I got a very similar condition m39 yesterday in Phoenix. I paid $89. Big 5 store. Pretty sure this has been armory refurbished - great bluing, barrel re-crowned, polished bolt face, (maybe bolt rebuilt, but now way to tell, is there?) not a scratch on magazine inside or out and it came with strap, pouches and cleaning kit. Tomorrow I'm off to Prescott to visit J&G Sales, buy a couple cases of ammo. Also they have some nice looking milsurp guns on their website. I could go nuts there! Maybe buy a Nagant pistol too, for $89. Their "excellent" grade m44's are on sale now for $59. Maybe be unable to resist the temptation of picking up one of those babies too! Somebody stop me!

Antihero
December 27, 2006, 05:02 PM
So i finally got a chance to shoot the mosin whil it was light and let me tell you groups certainly tighten up when you can see the sights!:D

Hopefully you shall see a scan of it below if not the group was 1.97" at 50 yds with open sights while using a kneeling hold. If you throw out the flyer it was 1.25" pretty good i think.

Brown Bear 203gr SP

CNYCacher
December 27, 2006, 05:45 PM
Are you shooting modern ammo out of that baby? Good if you're going hunting, but you can get old surplus ammo for less than $0.10 a round. Example: 300 rounds for $29.95, 880 for $69.95, etc.

I actually just found a guy who hates his old shot-out mosin which makes 4-foot groups at 100-yards. He is selling me 600 rounds for $20! :neener:

dstorm1911
December 27, 2006, 08:42 PM
CNYCatcher, mineral spirits will clean out the cosmo just fine, as to the original finish, actually its not its the finish the Bulgarians used when they re-arsenaled these rifles, ya do not want to "refinish" away any of the rifles history ie; the cartuch stampings etc... what few weren't sanded away dureing rearsenal the 91/30s I've gotten which escaped the bulgarian refurbishment are all a darker brown with a linseed oil finish, once we get more stuff un-packed I can post some pictures right now we are running a skeleton existance ;-) most of our stuff is still sitting in container units while we live in a Manufactured house we had installed a half acre from where are home is being built, the Manufactured house is a loaner that will be taken back to my friends dealership after were done so we are trying to not drag to much stuff into it. At least I've gotten to finally start moving the guns into their new home, ours is a couple months from being done ;-(

Anyhow the original finish is very easy to replicate, as is the amber shelac finish ya can find instructions on gunboards.com in the collector forum. if ya just wanna smooth it out ie; all the runs etc... a lil denatured alchohol on a soft rag will remoisten the shelac and allow ya to better blend it.

Mr White
December 27, 2006, 09:32 PM
Me too. I got a very similar condition m39 yesterday in Phoenix. I paid $89. Packnpundit, I hope that's a typo and what you really got was an M38 for $89. Because I'd hate you til the very end of time with every fiber of my being if you found an M39 for $89! :D

Antihero
December 28, 2006, 12:21 AM
Are you shooting modern ammo out of that baby? Good if you're going hunting, but you can get old surplus ammo for less than $0.10 a round. Example: 300 rounds for $29.95, 880 for $69.95, etc.

I actually just found a guy who hates his old shot-out mosin which makes 4-foot groups at 100-yards. He is selling me 600 rounds for $20!

As i mentioned in another post, i hate cleaning guns and while surplus ammo is cheap, its worth it to me not to have to do the extra cleaning by paying 30 cents a round.

I've cleaned up after corrosive, in this case a muzzleloader, and i dont enjoy it. Now if i could find non-corrosive surplus id be all over it!:D

_N4Z_
December 28, 2006, 12:37 AM
"extra" cleaning after using corrosive surplus amounts to nothing more than flushing the bore with water right when your done shooting.

that's it. water rinses out the nasty salts, then clean as normal. ya some say windex and other formulas, but water is what makes the magic happen.

i call that a minor hassle when 440 rounds can be had for 50 bucks, but hey, if you got the bones for the new stuff, then that's more surplus for the rest of us. :D

dstorm1911
December 28, 2006, 07:51 AM
Ya actually don't even have to flush with water, use good ol military surplus bore cleaner and ya'll never see any trace of corrosion, Most off the shelf bore cleaners will flush out any corrosive salt residues as well, the key is to CLEAN the weapon not just pass a bore snake through it and call it done, When I'm home we go shoot as a family deal every sunday (our range is in our back yard as our property is backed against federal land on 3 sides out in the Arizona desert, or we drive 10 miles to an old mine in the hills and do a picnic thing) Usually a bunch of friends show up as well and I might have 30 or 40 guns to clean at the end of the day been doing this for the last 12 years and USGI bore solvent is the ticket I've got 5 gallon buckets of the stuff me and a few of the friends will setup folding tables in the yard and everyone pitches in, all the bolts are tore down and most actions stripped and soaked in bore solvent while a few of us go around cleaning the barrels then everything gets re-oiled and reassembled, not one of my guns has any sign of damage from corrosive salts.


EDIT; Antihero, with muzzle loaders ya shouldn't have any problems or extra dificulty with cleaning they require even less that modern guns, HOT water thats it, I really love my Muzzle loaders and cap n ball revolvers originals and replicas I've always just followed the directions from the back of the Dixie gun works catalog and flushed with boiling water then swab and re-oil with 100 percent natural lube this is all thats been done since the civil war to prevent corrosion. What steps were ya put through that made it such a chore?

bartsimpson123844
December 28, 2006, 11:55 AM
Use Sweet's 7.62. It will take care of the corrosive salts in surplus ammo. ;)

Antihero
December 28, 2006, 03:44 PM
EDIT; Antihero, with muzzle loaders ya shouldn't have any problems or extra dificulty with cleaning they require even less that modern guns, HOT water thats it, I really love my Muzzle loaders and cap n ball revolvers originals and replicas I've always just followed the directions from the back of the Dixie gun works catalog and flushed with boiling water then swab and re-oil with 100 percent natural lube this is all thats been done since the civil war to prevent corrosion. What steps were ya put through that made it such a chore?

Just that, i just dont like doing it. I greatly prefer running a patch with Hoppes thru,run a bore brush, use patches til clean, put a patch thru with a bit of oil.

Ya actually don't even have to flush with water, use good ol military surplus bore cleaner and ya'll never see any trace of corrosion, Most off the shelf bore cleaners will flush out any corrosive salt residues as well, the key is to CLEAN the weapon not just pass a bore snake through it and call it done, When I'm home we go shoot as a family deal every sunday (our range is in our back yard as our property is backed against federal land on 3 sides out in the Arizona desert, or we drive 10 miles to an old mine in the hills and do a picnic thing) Usually a bunch of friends show up as well and I might have 30 or 40 guns to clean at the end of the day been doing this for the last 12 years and USGI bore solvent is the ticket I've got 5 gallon buckets of the stuff me and a few of the friends will setup folding tables in the yard and everyone pitches in, all the bolts are tore down and most actions stripped and soaked in bore solvent while a few of us go around cleaning the barrels then everything gets re-oiled and reassembled, not one of my guns has any sign of damage from corrosive salts.


I really dont want to strip the bolt apart every single time i fire, and i wouldnt feel comfortable firing corrosive without doing that. As i said as little cleaning as i have to makes me happy.

packnpundit
December 28, 2006, 03:57 PM
Typo. Sorry. You won't need to hate me till the end of time. It really is an M38.

_N4Z_
December 28, 2006, 11:18 PM
You guys may want to double check not flushing with water or some other salt dissolving agent. (Windex)

I've spent many hours researching and discussing this topic with fellow milsurp shooters as well as the good people to be found on http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/

Also check http://www.theboxotruth.com/ for their little blurb on shooting and cleaning corrosives.

Most feel that typical bore cleaners and solvents are NOT good for removing the corrosion catalytic salts found in surplus ammo. Plain old H2O is the best thing to dissolve salt, not a petroleum product, or similar. Water is after all the universal solvent on our good Earth. :) Also, surplus cleaning supplies are not something the average shooter is going to have around. I cannot speak for Sweets as I've never used it or read the label of said product. A good shot water (which is free), prior to good cleaning, seems like easy, sage advise to me. For the bolt the face is the place for a spritz of love. Shouldn't need to break it down. That's what I'll be doing anyway. ;)

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