Anybody else find this amusing?


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atblis
December 26, 2006, 11:30 PM
http://www.ruger.com/images/LogoRugerWTag.gif

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Avenger29
December 26, 2006, 11:55 PM
No. Why do you?

atblis
December 27, 2006, 12:01 AM
Considering the Ruger political bashing that has gone on in the past (and will continue) which I never really understood, it seems to lend some weight to one particular side of the argument.

It makes me want to buy Rugers even less than I did before.

It makes Ruger appear to be a little full of themselves.

Why would you have a registered trademark like that? Who is the intended audience? What is it supposed to accomplish?

Basically, that is what I am wondering. Why would Ruger make such a statement (blatantly and repeatedly).

I don't buy their guns, so I must be irresponsible (darn).

MikeG
December 27, 2006, 12:02 AM
I see proof that irresponsible citizens exist every day. Especially when driving. The distinction may have to be made.

Texshooter
December 27, 2006, 12:22 AM
Sorry pal, you lost me.

LkWinnipesaukee
December 27, 2006, 12:23 AM
Especially when driving.


And voting for politicians.

SiG Lady
December 27, 2006, 12:43 AM
Kinda reminiscent of the "Drink Responsibly" message which accompanies alcohol advertising on television. Sorta. Either way, it may serve to remind us how IR-responsible we can sometimes be.........

MikeG
December 27, 2006, 01:02 AM
Texshooter, my point was that Ruger may be trying to emphasize that gunowners are responsible citizens as opposed to the main stream media's propaganda that every person with a gun is a homicidal maniac waiting to be set off. Plus a little of SiG Lady's read of it - it's okay to own a firearm but please be responsible. Either way, maintaining a positive image for gun owners.

stevelyn
December 27, 2006, 02:00 AM
ARMS MAKERS FOR RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS.

Yeah.........The same responsible citizens that have no need for a concealable handgun or a magazine that holds more than ten rounds.:fire:

Outlaws
December 27, 2006, 02:37 AM
Ruger supplies 15 round magazines with their 9mm handguns now. They still haven't come back around on the Mini14.

atblis
December 27, 2006, 06:06 PM
Texshooter, my point was that Ruger may be trying to emphasize that gunowners are responsible citizens as opposed to the main stream media's propaganda

Hmmmm. Interesting to think of it from that position. If it weren't for Ruger's past, I might actually buy into that.

I do see a few issues with that tact though. It still seems to me that Ruger is trying to separate themselves from other gun makers.

Are AR15s for irresponsible people?
Are AK clones intended for irresponsible people?

The only reason Ruger is supplying 15rnd magazines is that they probably found out that people will summarily bypass their handguns for those that come with normal capacity magazines regardless of the merit or value of their product. Basically the all mighty dollar trumped their desire to tell us responsible citizens what we need.

P.S.
Let's try not to make this too much into straight up Ruger bashing. We all no the mods are a tad trigger happy about closing threads.

yooper_sjd
December 27, 2006, 06:40 PM
who cares, the weapon is only as dangerious as the person using it. Us it right or use it wrong. It is not the manufacturer, it is the end user that makes the responsibility!

Correia
December 27, 2006, 06:53 PM
The real reason Ruger won't sell higher cap Mini-14 magazines is because then people will be able to shoot them more, and then discover that their guns can't deal with heat, and they will start to shoot frisbee size groups at 50 feet. It is a conspiracy to make people think Mini-14s are good rifles. :p

Said with tongue in cheek. No offense intended, but this thread isn't going to accomplish anything besides some people being able to get their dander up and harumph each other.

thorn726
December 27, 2006, 08:24 PM
yeah, hilarious.

no responsible citizen would ever want to be capable of defending himself against a tyrannical government because after all, we live in Utopia.

Other gun makers, however (the other inference here) are IRresponsible, or at least cater to gangsters ?! ?

yeah, great ad strategy. ARGH. the more i think about it the worse it is.
are you sure that's an ad and not an ANTI- slogan?!

MrTuffPaws
December 27, 2006, 08:30 PM
Well, considering that Ruger writes a book on gun safety on every barrel of every gun they make, one would assume that they are....well.....uh......er.....trying to make their guns ugly?

DoubleTapDrew
December 27, 2006, 08:30 PM
LOL Correia you owe me a keyboard!

I would toss the Mini-14 out of the way to get to the AR15 in a SHTF situation.
I guess the A-Team are responsible citizens :p

atblis
December 27, 2006, 10:20 PM
I do see this thread possible getting ugly. Good fun though! :evil:

It's Ruger's darn logo, on their website. There's just something about it that irks me (and others too apparently).

If it doesn't bother you, you aren't paying attention.

I find it condescending. If I don't buy their guns, then I am irresponsible.

Handgun Midas
December 27, 2006, 11:04 PM
The same responsible citizens that have no need for a concealable handgunYou saying there are no concealable Ruger pistols?
'Cuz you'd be mistaken.

Bruce333
December 27, 2006, 11:16 PM
Other gun makers, however (the other inference here) are IRresponsible, or at least cater to gangsters ?! ?That's my take on it...sort of an anti-law suit/we don't help illegal arms trafficing logo...


...if it weren't for Ruger's past...I guess I missed something???

Zundfolge
December 27, 2006, 11:26 PM
...if it weren't for Ruger's past...
I guess I missed something???

Bill Ruger said "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun." and "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round magazines or my folding stock."

Many believe he helped get the original AWB passed as a means of attacking Glock and Bushmaster (both of which make guns that compete with Ruger models that have much lower capacities).


here's a good article on the subject. http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/papabill.html


Anyway, based on that history it was increadibly stupid for Ruger to start using the "responsible citizens" tagline. Would be as dumb as a German bottled water company using the tagline "Pure; from the Fatherland". There's a marketing person who should be unemployed.

I've been a big critic of Ruger over the years over old man Bill's support for many gun control concepts (he was an elitist schmuck) but he's dead and Ruger (the company) is in new hands so I say we give 'em a chance to right the "wrongs" of the old man.

wildburp
December 27, 2006, 11:44 PM
It may be time to sew up this thread; does not seem to make any sence to me, but that's just me.

wb

zinj
December 27, 2006, 11:50 PM
A bit off-topic, but do you think Ruger may not provide hi-cap mags for the Mini-14 due to its use in some high profile crimes (the Miami Shootout and the 1989 Montreal Massacre among others)?

Outlaws
December 27, 2006, 11:57 PM
There is some interesting debate over what Bill Ruger intended to do with those statements he made. It could have been that he genuinely felt it, it could have been just trying to save his Mini14 from the AWB, or it could have been that he had a whole seperate motive altogether.

I think the two main things to remember is that he made some good guns (name one single action better for even close to the same price) and that he was not the first gun maker to support certain forms of gun control. :eek: Yes, a whole bunch of them supported banning importation of certain firearms in the 1968 GCA. :scrutiny:

No matter how noble a company seems, when you start screwing with their business you'll see what they really care about.

rockstar.esq
December 28, 2006, 01:52 AM
This sort of reminds me of the cornerstone of the Harley Davidson "Bad Boy" Image which was struck ironically by Honda. Honda ran an ad for their bikes saying "You meet the nicest people on a Honda". The Harley people didn't defend any "high ground" and the image was cast from then on. I agree with the earlier post that Bill's dead and the company has a chance to improve. Maybe they'll start with the tagline and get to the Mini-14 next. All in all that could be accomplished before they had their morning coffee but I'll wait patiently all the same.

.38 Special
December 28, 2006, 02:14 AM
If it doesn't bother you, you aren't paying attention.
That's a good bit more offensive than anything attached to Ruger's corporate logo. :rolleyes:

I have a feeling the thread parent was already pissed at Ruger and is ready to jump on them for even the slightest perceived -- not to say imaginary -- slight.

Feanaro
December 28, 2006, 02:45 AM
A lack of "hi-caps" for the Mini-14 doesn't bother me, it would still suck just as much with 30 rounds. ;) But "arms makers for the responsible citizens" implies there are arms makers and, by extension, arms for irresponsible citizens. Elsewise their slogan would be meaningless, like saying "arms makers for people with heads."

Werewolf
December 28, 2006, 02:08 PM
I was going to e'mail Ruger with some feedback about their logo. Interesting that on neither their product nor their corporate site did I find any e'mail address to contact them let alone one to their marketing group.

JohnBT
December 28, 2006, 03:26 PM
"If it doesn't bother you, you aren't paying attention."

They can do what they want; it's a free country, right? It doesn't bother me any more than the fact that Marlin, Remington and Savage don't make concealable handguns. Should I be upset because these companies have decided not to pursue a particular market? I have a right to a handgun, should I boycott them because they won't make me one?

John

Justin
December 28, 2006, 03:30 PM
Said with tongue in cheek. No offense intended, but this thread isn't going to accomplish anything besides some people being able to get their dander up and harumph each other.

Larry nailed it.

Don't like Ruger?

Don't buy one.

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