9mm a must have?


December 27, 2006, 04:01 AM
IMO a 9mm is a must have, the only ammo that is cheaper is that of .22. So even if its not your first choice for HD or SD for practice its unreplacable. its defintely not the worst choice for a SD or HD gun. Its the military's choice calibre so that speaks on its effectiveness and has been around for a long time. just my .02 cents.

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December 27, 2006, 04:39 AM
I would agree that it is a musthave for a good collection. I dont know about the effectiveness factor since the military is using it. I would say it is an effective caliber when you use the proper ammo which the military generally is not.

December 27, 2006, 05:35 AM
The 9mm is an essential part of any handgun collection. If money is ever tight and you still want to practice, break out the nine and it won't break out your bank :cool: !

Zach S
December 27, 2006, 08:02 AM
I agree. And I'm a .45 guy.

December 27, 2006, 08:11 AM
I've gotten along just wonderfully without one of those "little girl" guns. I have no use for such a thing. :barf:

I'm embarassed every time I buy .38 ammo for the wife too!

December 27, 2006, 10:25 AM
9mm is cheap to shoot. After that I just cannot fall in love with it. It is just boring to shoot after awhile.. Until I got my EMP I did not have a gun which I enjoyed shooting 9mm in. Even so I get bored with it. The EMP is SWEET though. In .45 GAP or .40 it would be an excellent carry gun. Now the 9MM fans will tell you how great the 9MM is and how it's as good as the .40 or .45.
I won't argue, I just want more ummph and don't see carrying a smaller caliber in a gun that will chamber a bigger one. I don't want to get shot with a +P 124 Gr. HP either. I guess it would be better than a stick. :neener:
Yea, everybody should have one. :)

December 27, 2006, 10:53 AM
There are alot of 9mm classics - BHP, P7M8 , 92fs, P226 & even the Glocks...Yeah, IMO, they're a must have ;)


December 27, 2006, 11:50 AM
No complaints about 9mm from me. It defiantly has its place in my eyes.

December 27, 2006, 12:06 PM
A few are nice to own, mostly classics:

-- P38
-- BHP (Inglis) or FN..
-- H&K P7

Then perhaps:

-- CZ-75
-- Beretta 92
-- Walther P5
-- All others, you decide...

December 27, 2006, 12:18 PM
I've gotten along just wonderfully without one of those "little girl" guns. I have no use for such a thing.

I'm embarassed every time I buy .38 ammo for the wife too!

:scrutiny: tell me thats a joke. If not do you buy a box of 500mag to prove your manliness?

I have 2 9mm a Ruger p-85(my first pistol!) and a Hi Point Carbine and i love being able to buy cheap ammo to blow thru them. 9mm is a fine defensive round also.

December 27, 2006, 12:49 PM
A high-cap 9mm is an essential "social" gun for our times.

I prefer .45acp myself but every prudent gun owner will want at least one good 9mm.

December 27, 2006, 01:02 PM
I just got my first 9mm. It will be here tomarrow. Its a Taurus Pt-111 Mil Pro

GOt a killer price on it too!! I cant wait to start my practice with a 9mm. My 45acp XD is nice but spendy to shoot.


This will be my new carry gun i think. compact and light, packs enough punch for my shot placement to take down a threat!

December 27, 2006, 04:10 PM
IME most people will rant and rave about how good the .45 is, but when they go with you to the range, they bring the 9mm because the ammo for the .45 costs too much :).

Just my .02,

December 27, 2006, 04:38 PM
I think the 9mm is a must have because it's all I have!


Baba Louie
December 27, 2006, 04:41 PM
I've gotten along just wonderfully without one of those "little girl" guns. But my Luger is soooo sexy. ;)

December 27, 2006, 04:54 PM
If your milpro is half as good as mine has been to me, you will love it to death.

9mm is the most common hangun ammo in the world. If nothing else, you need one just to be able to take advantage of this. I have two 9mm's and I just can't find fault with them. It's the universal cartridge.

December 27, 2006, 05:35 PM
Browning High Power is on the top of the list when it comes to 9mm's



December 27, 2006, 05:41 PM
Did someone say : Classic ? ... My West GermanSigSaur P228.


Like the wise men above said - it's cheaper to shoot nine than .45 , so even though I actually have more fun shooting my .45 ( p220 sig ) , I shoot the 9mm much more. That makes it more accurate in my hand , faster to reload , Because it's a bit smaller it's more likely to be on my belt than the .45 is.

No one ever who dislikes 9mm ever volunteers to stand downrange of them.

December 27, 2006, 05:52 PM
My main carry gun is a .45 most days but at times I carry one of them little "girly guns". They've been know to kill more than a few people deader than hell even with the FMJ rds and with today's excellent hollow points they can be downright hazardous to the health of anyone shot with one.:p

December 27, 2006, 05:53 PM
ive owned 9mm's as well as 45acp's i miss them all and wish i had never sold them. everyone should own a good 9mm at one time or another.

December 27, 2006, 05:54 PM
Had my wife check out the Stoeger Cougar in 9mm.. she thought it was okay... I like my 5906, Santa just dropped off 300 rounds for it ;)

Black Majik
December 27, 2006, 06:04 PM
The 9mm cartridge really is a great round. It's easy to shoot, cheap, accurate, and fun. What's not to like. OK, so don't carry it if you don't feel comfortable with it, but for regular range use it's an awesome cartridge. All those guns chambered in 9mm, so many options!

I've standardized my handgun ammo mainly to 9mm and .45. The 9mm round is just so versatile, I still dunno why people hate on it so much.

December 27, 2006, 06:17 PM
Not a bad caliber. Cheap ammo, proven hollowpoint loads, and high capacity. Nice characteristics for any gun.

December 27, 2006, 06:57 PM
I've gotten along just wonderfully without one of those "little girl" guns. I have no use for such a thing.

I'm embarassed every time I buy .38 ammo for the wife too!

Hope that was a joke, or sarcasm...usually indicated by a :) or a :rolleyes:

Anyway, welcome to THR. Did you catch the part about civil discourse?

Discussion is encouraged; ideas are welcome. Berating or belittling is inappropriate and unwelcome.

BTW, have you ever heard of projection? :)

Ala Dan
December 27, 2006, 07:05 PM
Here is a SIG-SAUER 9m/m P228 checking in~!;) :cool: :D

December 27, 2006, 07:15 PM
This one used to belong to me....until my daughter took it away from me...sigh..<p>
<img src="http://www.image-upload.net/files/2899/jacshooting.jpg">

December 27, 2006, 07:24 PM
Sorry about that last post. Here's the picture.

December 27, 2006, 07:41 PM
CZ PCR and P226 Sig here. Both in 9mm. Some of the best guns made. I am also considering a KAR or G26. I also have a 45 and 357. But I like the 9 the best for overall ability/cost.

My opinion is the 9mm is a must have. But that is just me..

Shootallatime. Make sure your daughter is wearing shooting glasses and not her everyday glasses. That could get expensive and be a possible safety issue. I can not tell the difference in the pic.

December 27, 2006, 08:11 PM
I have a few in 9mm ;)

1. Beretta 92FS Centurion --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/Beretta92FSCenturion.jpg)
2. Beretta 92FS --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/Beretta92FS.jpg)
3. Beretta 92FS INOX --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/Beretta92FSINOX.jpg)
4. Beretta 8000F Cougar INOX --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/Beretta8000FINOX.jpg)
5. Browning Hi-Power --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/BrowningHP.jpg)
6. CZ 75B --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/CZ75BStainless.jpg)
7. Glock G17L --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/GlockG17L.jpg)
8. HK P9S --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/HKP9S.jpg)
9. HK P7M8 --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/HKP7M8.jpg)
10. HK USP9 --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/HKUSP9.jpg)
11. Luger P08 (DWM 1915)--- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/DWMLugerP081915.jpg)
12. Sig P226 --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/SigP226.jpg)
13. Sig P228 --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/SigP228.jpg)
14. Sig P239 --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/SigP239.jpg)
15. S&W 3906 --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/SW3906.jpg)
16. S&W 3913 --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/SW3913.jpg)
17. S&W Performance Center 952 --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/SWPC952.jpg)
18. Walther P38 --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/WaltherP38.jpg)
19. Walther P99 Y2K --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Handguns/WaltherP99Y2K.jpg)
20. Beretta CX-4 --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Long%20guns/CX-4.jpg)
21. IMI UZI Model B --- 9mm (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Gixerman1000/Long%20guns/UZIModelB.jpg)

.357 magnum
December 27, 2006, 08:29 PM
I am a die hard .45acp and .40 guy. I have considered the 9mm for target practice and you are correct ammo prices are good. I believe with the correct ammo, it is a fairly adequate HD/SD gun. This spring I will look into getting one for my collection. Right now I am working on another .45 I may go the 1911 route this time.

PS-shootallatime- Welcome to THR! I have worn my regular glasses for over twenty years to shoot, never a safety issue. But I do use my spares, because they get scratched up by wayward empty cartridges bouncing off the frame of the indoor shooting stall.

The Best to you and Yours!


December 27, 2006, 09:22 PM
Glixerman...I'm jealous!

3 9s for me - my two carry guns (Steyr and Rohrbaugh) and a little Sub2000 carbine that fits nicely in a briefcase. Plenty of power if I do my part, and ammo is plenty cheap and available so that I can practice! I figure, with as many military applications as it has world-wide, it's gotta be at least OK.


December 27, 2006, 10:24 PM
Yep, 9mm is an essential.

I know they're available in that 10mm short round (40 S&W) ;) , but a Browning Hi-Power is a 9mm. It was the first twin column, "high cap", wonder nine, JMB's last design, and it's just as great a pistol today as was in 1935. Everyone should own one. The 9mm Luger cartridge's name sake is a classic, though not my thing personally. Glocks were originally chambered in 9mm, and arguably that's still their best execution of those pistols. The CZ-75 which even ole 1911 die hard Jeff Cooper highly praised is another classic 9mm. The Beretta M9 (92 FS) has served the US armed forces pretty well for the last 20+ years too. I could go on, but almost every pistol maker of note makes at least one 9mm model. The 9mm pistol is almost as widely available as the ammunition.

The ammunition is - as others have noted - cheap, plentiful, generally mild in recoil, and great for plinking. It's also more than enough for defensive use; especially with all the advances in modern controlled expansion hollow points.

It's a very good cartridge, and many great pistols have made in the chambering. It's a tough combination to beat, and I think that makes it essential to the handgunner's collection.

December 27, 2006, 11:42 PM
PT-92 9mm is always with me

Phil DeGraves
December 28, 2006, 09:44 AM
Springfield 1911
Colt Govt. (her gun)
Colt Commander
Walther P38 (her gun)
Walther P5 (her gun)
S&W 5906
S&W 5967
Taurus 24/7 (her gun)

Yes, a 9mm is essential.

Phil DeGraves
December 28, 2006, 09:54 AM
"...Browning Hi-Power is a 9mm. It was the first twin column, "high cap", wonder nine,..."

Actually, the 9mm Mauser 96 Broomhandle was the first high cap wondernine.
The 9mm model was released in 1930, 5 years before the BHP. That being said, the BHP was the first double stack High Cap wondernine designed around the 9mm cartridge, and did set the standard for the wondernines to follow.

December 29, 2006, 01:32 AM
IMO a 9mm is a must have, the only ammo that is cheaper is that of .22. So even if its not your first choice for HD or SD for practice its unreplacable. its defintely not the worst choice for a SD or HD gun.

A must have. As American as Apple Pie and Rock and Roll. Believe me, I have not known in my entire life of a perp that after being shot with a 9mm came back to the shooter and laugh about the choice of caliber. :D

December 29, 2006, 01:37 AM
If LE trusts it, its good enough for me! Truth be told 1 stop shots are rare when using anything but a 12GA. Shot placement is everything plus you have Hi-Cap mags with 17 rounds in 'em. Can't go wrong with that! Pump 17 rounds of anything into anyone and they arn't getting up: bottom line!

December 29, 2006, 01:42 AM
I don't have any 9mm guns, but I have almost 700 rounds of 9mm ammo, just in case I find a good deal on one!

a CZ75 is on my list with the bonus that you can get the factory .22 kit for it.

December 29, 2006, 02:51 AM
A 9mm with the finish worn off from shooting and carrying it is worth more than any 'big bore' that spends its time in the safe.

BHP is a classic design I prefer, though I'll give a nod to the CZ 75 and Sig's very well crafted 226.

Lugers have a 'cool' factor but are finicky as heck, still they are fun to shoot.

As American as Apple Pie and Rock and Roll

Maybe as American as Struedel and Polka ;)

JMB knew what he was doing when he started designing the BHP, and while he didn't finish it, it remains 'the' wondernine that 'started it all.'

December 29, 2006, 10:52 AM
I' m happy with my nines. I do want a 1911 though.
Walther P99 (X3)
Walther P88
Walther P88 Compact
Walther P5
CZ P-01
Bersa Thunder 9 Ultracompact
Firestorm Mini 9
Bersa Thunder 9 fullsize

December 29, 2006, 11:02 AM
I am carrying my PM9 Kahr today. I think a 9mm loaded with federal hydroshock ammo will take down any two legged threat if placed properly... 9mm is great for carrying.

December 29, 2006, 11:57 AM
I've got a 9mm and a .45. I've decided to standardize to those handgun rounds and maby ad a .38/.357 to the mix later in life.

The 9mm is a fine round which is, I believe, the most used handgun round in the world.

Definitely worth it to atleast pick up one for a truck gun, range toy, or even a good carry/HD gun with the proper loads.

December 29, 2006, 01:18 PM
+1 on what Zach said....and I'm also a 45 guy

December 29, 2006, 08:29 PM
If LE trusts it, its good enough for me!

Some agencies, like mine, have begun to frown on them. We can't carry them as primary sidearm at all. Only as off-duty or backup.

Our primary sidearm may be .40 S&W OR .45 ACP only.

December 29, 2006, 08:43 PM
I have two nines, but reloading my own I really don't care about the cost of factory ammo. I can shoot .45 Colt +P cheaper than you can shoot 9mm and if you think your .45 ACP is a big appendage replacement, you should fire a 300 grain hot handload in a Ruger .45 Colt. :neener:

But, I see the 9 best as the most powerful true pocket gun caliber now days. There is some merit to a 15 round magazine in a service sized gun, but not when I can carry 13 ready to rip in my pocket. Not only is it a great pocket primary caliber for the armed citizen, it's a great back up to a bigger gun IWB. I have a Ruger P85, but really, I don't shoot it much and never carry it. If I carry IWB, I prefer my .357 magnum revolver or my P90. The P90 is lighter and has a better trigger than the P85 is the main reason, not the caliber. But, IWB, the revolver hides better, less printing. Most of the time I pocket my 9mm, though, and that's where the caliber really shines.

December 29, 2006, 08:51 PM

"In the last days, there will be caliber wars and rumors of caliber wars!"

December 29, 2006, 09:12 PM
Being a certified man-killer, and considering the cost of the ammo, the big 9 is definitely a must have.

December 29, 2006, 10:15 PM
Yes the 9MM. is a must have Cal. Nothing cheeper to shoot other then .22LR and I'm a .45 ACP. & .357 MAG. kind of guy.:evil:

December 29, 2006, 10:35 PM
Though I prefer 1911s and the .45 ACP, here are two 9mm pistols that I will never get rid of.


Texas Colt
December 29, 2006, 11:28 PM
Another vote for at least one 9mm in your collection... from another 1911 guy.

Having said that, my one 9mm is a 1911... a 1955 vintage Colt Commander. It's easy to shoot and incredibly accurate.

December 30, 2006, 12:35 AM
Another 9mm fan. I've got three of them now. A Springfield XD-9, a Smith & Wesson 39-2, and a Hi-Point C-9. I had a Kel-Tec P-11, until I traded it off for the 39-2.

I've cut my small "collection" down to just 9mm, and 22 LR.

The ammo is cheap, the recoil is manageable, all three shoot great. They're all accurate and reliable. (even the Hi-Point :neener: ) The XD is a pure delight to shoot.

I don't see any need for me to have anything else.

December 30, 2006, 12:45 AM
yes, its a must have

bhp cz75b glock17 beretta92 p226 just to name a few.

December 30, 2006, 01:13 AM
Within the last few months I have purchased 2 used 9mm HP type guns.
1 an FM Classic and the other a FEG PJk 9HP. Until now I thought 9's were for guys who didn't want a .45 ACP.
I'm convinced otherwise If you fear the Baloons going up or just plain like to shoot, Some type of 9mm is indispensable. If the baloon goes up there is a Butt Ton of ammo available. If you just plain like to shoot, the Butt Ton of available ammo makes it cheep to shoot.

December 30, 2006, 01:30 AM
Another 1911 and .45 ACP guy here, but I do have a G26. Love it and it won't be the last of my 9s.

You need at least one.

December 30, 2006, 09:53 AM
The Beretta 92 and Cougar are great in 9mm. They are very reliable and accurate.

December 26, 2008, 04:41 PM
Currently have two 9mm pistols....a Smith and Wesson model 908, which is an
inexpensive model with an alloy frame and a decocking mechanism (pd about 400 for it). My sons and I have put about 2,000 rounds through it in the last 3 months or so, and it has performed both flawlessly and accurately. I also have a Sig Sauer P6, which is the West German Police version of the P225...this is another amazingly accurate and reliable weapon. Both are used as carry weapons by my oldest son and I, and with the hot load hollow points we have in the slim, single-stack mags of these two great shooters will more than do the job in a defense situation, especially since we can afford to practice often. Also getting (for Christmas) a Ruger 10/22 Carbine for plinking as well as a Walther P-22, as these are just damn fun to shoot!! Really enjoying reading up on stuff on this site, as it is a pleasure to learn from the experts....thanks for being here dammit!!!

December 26, 2008, 04:57 PM
the only two guns i own -

glock 17

sig 226


will be adding a walther p22

and would love to own a cz 75

if i got a 45 i'd go with an XD because alot of military guys i met have carried them in iraq. and the price is good

December 26, 2008, 05:31 PM
the must have 9's:


Not raining on any Sig, Glock, Ruger, CZ, S&W, Walther, etc. hi-cap wondernines are all pretty cool--and no doubt everyone should have a wondernine of some sort.

But those are the classics.

December 26, 2008, 07:25 PM
I shoot revolvers better, so my semiautos need to be high-capacity to justify owning them. They also shoot well:

* Sig 226
* XD-9, 5"

December 26, 2008, 09:20 PM
I don't know if a 9mm is a "must have", but I think it's a "should have".

There are more reasons to have one than to NOT have at least one.

December 27, 2008, 02:37 PM
If we're talking must-have, then let's talk about the glock 19.

I agree that everybody should own at least one 9mm, and IMO the best choice for that is the glock 19. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but you can't argue that they are reliable, accurate, and spare parts are easily found everywhere. It is also one of the most size and weight efficient guns out there. 15+1 rds of 9mm at a LOADED weight of 29oz.

December 27, 2008, 02:50 PM
Hmmm, let's see. Do I like 9MM?

Sig P228

Yeah, I'd say I do! :D

December 27, 2008, 03:05 PM
I'm looking to add 1 more to the safe - a S&W 547 9mm revolver, (no moon clips), with the three inch barrel - thinking that would be one sweet car/carry gun

December 27, 2008, 03:22 PM
Nothing wrong with 9mm. I am a 45ACP man but I don't deny the usefulness of a 9mm.

I carry a G21 for work but when it's my own time, it's G26 all the way. I am entertaining the thought of switching to a G34 for my main duty gun as well to get full compability of my carry guns.

As long as you put the lead into the target, nobody will complain that the entry hole is only .355 vs. .451 inches.

As for my 9mm collection...

92FS Inox

December 27, 2008, 04:09 PM
I own 4 pistols---3 are 9mm's

The other one is a .22

Big Bill
December 28, 2008, 12:55 AM
This may be against the law in this forum, but if you don't have this 9mm you're missing out...


Ruger New Model Blackhawk® Convertible revolvers, available in calibers .357 Mag. and 9mm Parabellum, offer the following features:

** Ramp front and adjustable rear sights.

** Target-grade accuracy.

** Traditional Western-style grip, long acknowledged to be one of the most comfortable and natural pointing of any grip style.

** Patented Ruger transfer bar mechanism and loading gate interlock provide an unparalleled measure of security against accidental discharge.

** Includes two cylinders, one chambered in .357 Mag. and one chambered in 9mm Parabellum, which can be interchanged without the use of tools.

** Available in barrel lengths of 4 5/8" and 6 1/2".


(BTW, I love mine!)

December 28, 2008, 01:15 AM
9mm's got a bad rap, ironically enough, FROM the military. From them in the sense that THEY are limited to FMJ's by the Geneva Convention. As such, the 9mm, well, it SUCKS (although I don't want to play dodge the projectile from one). Loaded with the "proper" ammo, it's not "bad". it's not great either, but not bad. 124gr or 148gr JHP's are the ONLY thing I'll carry in ANY 9mm, period. And I do carry them, mainly because the guns I have in this caliber tend to be VERY small, where a 1911, even a sub-model, is a bit big. And yes, I carry 1911's too. I'm a .45 guy at heart

December 28, 2008, 01:55 AM
My first handgun (and only firearm at that time) was a Taurus 9mm that was not bad at all (PT-99 AFS). I owned it for about 15 years but didn't shoot it often as I was not really into shooting sports until almost two years ago. Fast forward to the present. I sold off the Taurus and replaced it with a Glock 19. Loved the Glock 19 so much I had to get the Glock 26. Ammo is cheap but I wanted to go even cheaper and got myself a Ruger Mark III Hunter 6 7/8" stainless for inexpensive target practice fun.

December 28, 2008, 03:49 AM
That convertible Ruger Blackhawk is awesome! However, I am saving up for an Uberti SAA so I can live out my Tombstone fantasies.

As for the 9mm, we get the nice Winchester 127gr. +P+ SXT rounds which are relatively powerful as far as the high kinetic energy is concerned.

December 28, 2008, 06:34 AM
I have always like the 9mm first issued semi was a beretta as a local LEO. Carried a 45 as an M.P. What I like about the weapon was how easy it was to take apart. After they took it away from me and gave me a Sig. in .357 I really missed the beretta so I got one of my own. Have no problems with it. Been around for a few shootings two with 9mm one with the ,357 and have responded to several others with rounds ranging from .22 to .45. I have seen one thing in common, if the rounds are put where they need to be they all seem to work just fine. So why not go with a round that cheaper to practice with.

Be Safe

December 28, 2008, 06:41 AM
The Beretta is a wonderful weapon but Glock does it better for cheaper and carries 2 more rounds.

I shoot well with the G21 and a lot better with the G17.

I can put 3-4 rounds on target with the 9mm in the same time I can put 2 rounds on target with the 45. Not to say that is practical everytime I shoot but it's what I know I can do with each gun.

gun boy stl
December 28, 2008, 11:44 AM
Hey guys, thanks for all the positive comments about a 9mm, that is the gun I am thinking of purchasing. Any particular brand? also, I know asking about brands can sometimes be a "religious debate" so, how about I instead ask, any brands to stay away from?

December 28, 2008, 11:49 AM
Everyone needs a Glock 19!

December 28, 2008, 01:55 PM
I like the looks of this Walther but I am a Glock man as well:


December 28, 2008, 08:02 PM
I've been thinking about my next handgun purchase. Originally I was going to purchase another .45 (only handgun I own is a P220) but I think this thread has convinced me to buy a 9mm instead... maybe a CZ 75...

December 28, 2008, 08:09 PM
That the military uses it doesn't mean a whole lot. The round NATO uses is about the worst PD round one could imagine.

I don't have one and I don't miss it. I do have a .22 kit for my 1911, but I think its usefullness for real-life training is limited.

I don't ever shoot bigger guns and wish they had less recoil. It's a matter of training up to it and getting used to it.

December 28, 2008, 08:18 PM
Dont have a 9... dont need a 9... dont want a 9.
I reload, so I pay less to shoot my .45s and .44s than most people pay for cheap 9mm.
I carry a full size 5" 1911 daily... and when I feel that I would like to carry something smaller, I can strap on the .44 snubby or the 1911 compact.
If I feel that the .45 is too expensive to practice with, then there is the .22 conversion.


the foot
December 28, 2008, 08:36 PM
I trust in the 9mm para. In America many have the idea that somehow the 9mm is inferior, but I think there is nothing to back up that claim.

If you think the caliber is inferior for self defense or for law enforcement, then explain it to me.

December 28, 2008, 09:04 PM
Does something need to be inferior for a person to not want it?
.500 mag isnt inferior, but I dont want one. They are not bad to shoot either in the right gun.
I like the bigger non magnum calibers, a nice big push.
I find no enjoyment in firing a 9.
It isnt a matter of not liking the 9... it is a matter of liking other calibers much more.


December 28, 2008, 09:51 PM
I only have one true 9mm, it's my Dad's WWII P38 bringback. I do have a 9mm conversion for my XD40sc and a 9mm cylinder for the 357 Blackhawk convertible,.... they work for me.

model of 1905
December 28, 2008, 10:10 PM
Is it a must have? IMO no, that's why I dont have one and dont plan on buying one anytime soon.

December 29, 2008, 03:28 PM
I don't know about must have and I still like my .45's but I recently picked up an older Beretta 92 (with the mag release on the heel instead of the thumb) just as a shooter because of the low price of ammo.

I was pleasantly surprised with the accuracy and how easy it is to shoot and it is a lot more enjoyable than a .22 (which just bores me).

December 29, 2008, 03:29 PM
I'll explain it. When you're trying to stop someone from attacking you with a handgun, the idea is to cause as many cm3 of tissue damage as possible. This means that you want a bullet that will penetrate as deeply as possible and make the biggest diameter of hole. A 9mm JHP, when fully expanded, is just a touch bigger than a .45 FMJ. All handgun ammo is inferior for personal defense, it makes the most sense to use the biggest round you can shoot well.

I don't bash people who carry a 9mm, but it's mostly because the round is a lot better than it was say, 20 years ago. The premium JHP ammo is MUCH better than it used to be. The problem I have with NATO ammo is that it doesn't use any of these advantages. It's very likely to penetrate straight through, not expanding, doing probably half as much damage as a good JHP bullet, requiring more good hits to do the job. NATO and the U.S. military use (with very rare exceptions) jacketed, non-hp ammo, to comply with the Hague Accords, which made little sense when they weren't signed by us a century ago, and make even less sense now. I cringe when I load my Beretta M-9 with issue ammo. If I were allowed to load it with 124 gr Hydra-Shoks, I would still wish I had my 1911, but I would feel much better about using what I had.

December 29, 2008, 03:37 PM
I wouldn't call it a must-have. I don't like 9mm's. I think it's an overused, underperforming caliber. Used to, I'd classify anything smaller than a .45 as underpowered, but these days I'd have to say anything below a .40. The .40 is a good enough round and its effective stopping power is a lot better than 9mm. I just prefer the bigger, heavier .45 due to availability.

December 29, 2008, 04:49 PM
I love my 9mm guns. I am more confident with a gun that I can afford to practice with more and thus shoot better. I can put more rounds on target faster with a 9 than any other CCW sized handgun.

I guess if I was a better shooter with more money I would go bigger.

In fact I just bought a new H&K P7 PSP today.

December 29, 2008, 05:39 PM
I've read that the military adapted the 9mm due to pressure from NATO, not that it was a better battle round.

The cliché is, there are two kinds of solders in QC battle. Ones that have a .45 and ones that wish they did.

All that said, I think the 9mm is a fine defense round, and if you are only going to have one gun, it should be a 9mm, and if you are going to have several, a 9mm or two should be in the mix. My EDC is a 9mm, although I do prefer a .40.

December 29, 2008, 06:19 PM
I've gotten along just wonderfully without one of those "little girl" guns. I have no use for such a thing.

I'm embarassed every time I buy .38 ammo for the wife too!

(Let's see. How do you get that little smiley face with the rolling eyes into the reply?) Hmmm....Oh yeah! Here it is! :rolleyes:

I'm sure you were just kidding, but just in case:

The .38 Spl was considered a police standard in this country up until the 1980s and can still be encountered in some smaller departments and security services. It is still widely used as back-up weapons by many LEOs.

The 9mm probably has killed more criminals and terrorists throughout the world than all other semi-auto service caliber handgun calibers combined. I would hardly tell the US Special Forces, British SAS, German GSG-9 that they are carrying "little girl" guns. All are trained to kill you very dead with those 9mms.

European police and military services have fought terrorist cells such as Baader-Meinhof, the Red Brigades and the IRA far longer than our own recent War on Terrorism. Even with all the other service pistol cartridges available, militaries around the world have seen no reason to change to anything else and have no real reason to do so. Israeli military and police have stopped would-be suicide bombers with the "puny" 9mm.

Oh, and this has been done with largely ball ammo.

Sure, the 9mm has had failures to stop, and ball ammo would not be considered the best defensive ammo available. But all other service calibers have failed too. But serious shooters make it work because it's all they have, and in most cases, it's all they need.

If you don't like the 9mm, that's fine. But in truth, it's probably as effective (or as ineffective) as any other service caliber handgun caliber.

But I know you were just kidding....:)

December 29, 2008, 06:27 PM
I'm a .45 guy as well and I still like my 9mm guns. I cast my own bullets and reload and the 9mm is absolutely dirt cheap to shoot. I actually bought three more 9mm pistols after my first one just to have some variety at the range. Those little 90gr and 124gr cast bullets use up a LOT less wheel weights than the 230gr .45 slugs do. :)

December 29, 2008, 06:35 PM
I think if you have a low-recoiling .40 or .45, and a .22, it's probably not essential. That said, it's probably good to have one, for somewhat affordable practice without too much or little recoil

North of 49th
December 29, 2008, 07:08 PM
I have to agree with the OP. The 9mm is a widespread round that is fairly cheap to shoot and you'll probably never not have ammo for it. It makes for a lovely plinking round and like was said before a lot of nice guns are being made in this caliber. I would defiantly call it a "Must Have Round"

December 30, 2008, 04:43 AM
The 45ACP was, is and always will be an American institution with a loyal following. However, science just does not back up the claims of overwhelming superiority to the 9mm in overall effectiveness.

There's no study anywhere that shows it to be better by any significant margin, if comparable rounds are used.

The stop percentages for FMJ in both calibers range in the 60s and the best JHP defense loads average in the low to mid 90s for both.

If someone shoots better with a 9mm and can land the whole mag full of bullets in the baddies but will only hit the baddy once every 3 bullets with a 45ACP surely will not feel better with the 45ACP in a gunfight.

I carry my G26 religiously and I never feel undergunned with it even though my G21 is my primary duty weapon. I can hit faster and more accurately with the G26 than the G21 and I am no slouch with the G21 either.

As an aside, it's funny that the Geneva Conventions say the FMJ is the more humane bullet. First, when you get shot by any type of bullet, it's not very humane at all. It really hurts! Also, FMJs mostly just punch holes through the target without causing a stop so you shoot more and get a bunch of through and throughs on a guy and aerate him or kill him, instead of 1 wound from a JHP which is more likely to incapacitate him from a "stop" shot and not necessarily kill him as you would after aerating him with FMJs.

Then again, I am thinking from the LEO point of view to stop the threat... not the military, which is to kill the threat.

December 30, 2008, 01:45 PM
Not a must have, but certainly a good to have caliber. Capable of performing the vast majority of tasks that the vast majority of handgun owners would need it for.

Mad Magyar
December 30, 2008, 05:47 PM
I'm having more excitement at the range with my P-38...I can afford this ammo....:)
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December 31, 2008, 01:56 AM
My first love is the 1911. I have six of them in various guises. But I carry a Kahr MK9 because of its small size, controlability, accuracy, simplicity, and great trigger.

I've had a score of different 9's and none of them were bad guns, but many didn't suit me for one reason or another. Now I'm down to 3 BHP's, a Luger, P38, CZ75, and the Kahr. Those are my permanent keepers.

December 31, 2008, 02:59 AM
just got one currently...might add a refurbed/surplus Walther P-1 later on

December 31, 2008, 05:17 AM
While I don't think ANY gun is a must have... as long as you have one or more that you can use for its purposes... a 9mm is a great choice to have.

The recoil is easy enough for any shooter, young, old, new, old, woman, man, child, etc.

Bullets are more common world-wide than the 45ACP and might arguably be more common even within the US by virtue of the amount of governmental entities who adopted the round versus the 45ACP which remains an optional chambering to the 9mm standard.

It is probably easier to shoot for most people and they can get more rounds on target than if they shot a 45ACP. If someone can hit what they need to hit with the 9mm, and do it consistently, then who's to fault them for their choice?

December 31, 2008, 05:18 AM

Where did you get the matching bracelet and belt buckle?

December 31, 2008, 05:19 AM

December 31, 2008, 05:42 AM
I think it is a must have round. I think it is the best all around and has a good price to boot. Even if you reload. You can still reload 9mm and come out that much cheaper. Nothing againist 45s or 44s. They are fun to shoot, but it is kind of painful because they are so much more expensive. Not by a little either. They are alot more expensive and I think that 9mm will do the trick if I must have to use it in self defense. I know that I would not want anyone shooting me with a 9mm that is for sure.

December 31, 2008, 06:13 AM
I think it is a must have round. I think it is the best all around and has a good price to boot. Even if you reload. You can still reload 9mm and come out that much cheaper. Nothing againist 45s or 44s. They are fun to shoot, but it is kind of painful because they are so much more expensive. Not by a little either. They are alot more expensive and I think that 9mm will do the trick if I must have to use it in self defense. I know that I would not want anyone shooting me with a 9mm that is for sure.

December 31, 2008, 06:16 AM
I love the nine mm. I reload many calibers but the nine has the cheapest, most available components. Besides the .223 I shoot this the most.

For me pure joy is shooting magazine after magazine in my P228 or P7M13.

BTW, I never have to go to therapy if I can't find a piece of 9mm brass:)

December 31, 2008, 06:35 AM
I have many different cailbers of handguns, but I shoot mainly .22, 9MM and .45. In semi autos these three pretty much cover my range time, well except for .380 and 9MM Makarov. :D

I shoot 9MM more than any other and I reload for all the calibers I shoot except .22. No caliber is a must have, but there is no reason to ignore the 9MM just because you like .45 better. Its an efficient, accurate and deadly cartridge and allows the carry of compact yet hicap pistols that are concealable.

December 31, 2008, 10:18 AM
I currently have two 9mm's, and really shoot them more (ammo cost) then all the others with the exception of my .22's. I have a Sig P228 and a CZ 75b and think they happen to both be fine examples and really great all around handguns. I am very comfortable and confident using the P228 as my ccw. When it's not a possibility due to concealment issues, I'm also comfortable slipping my 642 in my pocket. I think 9mm is a must have as well. Cheaper ammo equals more shooting/training and that is always a good problem to have.

January 1, 2009, 04:29 AM
The thing I have learned is that my +P+ LE federal 9mm JHP's have the same power as a typical .357mag load. Now in a G17 with 20 rounds this is an amazing tool.

January 1, 2009, 04:59 AM
I'm a big fan of the GI .45,and I cast my own and reload,so ammo cost isn't really a big deal,but my absolute favorite dependable ''go to'' handgun is a beat-up old 9mm BHP.

January 1, 2009, 06:01 AM
wow nice belt buckle...

indeed the US military adopted the 9x19mm from pressure by NATO, but its the same story with the 5.56... the US military could well indeed issue HP 5.56 and 9mm to troops, but the military is more concerned with penetrating the target than brute stopping power. same reason we switched from 55grain lead core 5.56 which was devastating on soft targets, to the 62 grain ss109 steel core round. it doesent "tumble" and break apart like lead core does, but it pierces through cover and body armor better.

dont get me wrong, i love the .45, and if given the chioce i would carry a 1911 over a M9 anyday, but the M9 is what im issued, now if they would only let me carry my Glock 30, it would make my day...:D

January 1, 2009, 06:41 AM
Belt buckle hell,did you see that watch?!nice!

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