Just wanted to pick the groups brain. I have an opportunity to buy a DSA FAL, I know its not a metric but still cool in my mind. Never having owned one I hoped you all might chime in an offer your experiences with this type of rifle. I already have many other rifles so its not a matter of this vs that, just what you all think of it.
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Father Knows Best
December 27, 2006, 11:06 PM
Not metric? Are you sure? I thought all DSA's were metric.
Anyhoo, the DSA FAL's are awesome. I have an SA58 and it is a thing of beauty. It shoots, too! If the price is reasonable, jump at it. You won't be disappointed.
December 27, 2006, 11:34 PM
FAL's rule!!! I'm hooked for sure. Since I aquired this I've been on a mission to get a couple more .308's. Too bad the damn ammo is so expensive right now. :banghead:
December 27, 2006, 11:35 PM
I'm afraid all DSAs are metric. There was talk of them producing a run of inch-pattern receivers, but I don't know what came of it. Anyways, inch pattern mags are hard to come by these days, whereas metric mags can be had brand new, wrapped in cosmoline, for ten bucks a pop.
If you can get a good deal on a DSA, go for it! Odds are you won't be disappointed.
December 28, 2006, 12:02 AM
If it is a DSA built rifle, it will be good quality. DSA has been putting out some Inch receivers, but I don't think they have made any rifles with them. If it is an Inch receiver, I would bet that it is a kit gun, NOT made by DSA, but someone else.
For my money (and it ain't) I would not buy an Inch FAL with a DSA (or any other for that matter) receiver. For the same price, or nearly, you can get a Metric version and have an easier time getting parts, mags, and resale if you decide later that you don't like it.
As for the FAL platform, very nice. With a little tweeking, it can send lead accurately out to 500+ yards. The triggers are tough and creapy (usually) and the rear sights wobble too much (can be fixed). If you are looking for a Main Battle Rifle that will serve you very well out of the box, consider a M1a. If you want a MBR that might serve you well out of the box, and can be "tweeked" to serve you well, you will do fine with the FAL. I have both systems in my safe and enjoy them both, but the M1a is easier to maintain and operate IMHO.
If you do wade into the world of the FAL, stick with Metric, DSA or Imbel receivers, that way, if you decide you want to put $$ into it, or re-sell it, they will hold their value better.
Good luck, and enjoy
December 28, 2006, 12:27 AM
I'm very happy with my FALs even if they aren't DSAs :)
December 28, 2006, 01:24 AM
It ain't called "the right arm of the free world" for nothing! I think it's a better value than the M1A and it's a battle rifle that's worth it's weight. Parts kit guns run from $700.00 or so but most of those I've seen are rough and crappy. Be advised that the FAL is NOT a G3 or a CETME, all three are different guns with different actions.
December 28, 2006, 01:54 AM
It ain't called "the right arm of the free world" for nothing!
It would be better suited with the name "right arm of the third world".
December 28, 2006, 02:01 AM
A DSA rifle is a thing of beauty. If it is DSA, there is a far greater than 99% chance it is metric.
I have a 21" SA58, and a 16.25" STG58C, and both are awesome rifles.
December 28, 2006, 06:19 AM
@ RCR: Nope, that is the Kalashnikov.
FAL's are easy to maintain, remove and dissassemble the gas system and the bolt without tools. The adjustable gas regulator lets you tweak it for weak ammo or dirty conditions easily also without tools. Thus they don't need a buffer.
don't listen to anyone on the sites. Shoot a couple and buy what you like. You won't be undergunned with a FAL, an AK, an M1A/M14 or whatever else you pick.
December 28, 2006, 06:24 AM
My favorite rifle! But I don't have any DSA's I built all of mine back when we were getting brand new cutup British FALs all are inch pattern built on Lithgow recievers, the Inch pattern guns will feed from either metric or inch mags the metric recievers only will accept metric mags, The only other two differences are the pistol grip mounting and the inch has the cool fold down charging lever, mine are all setup to hold bolt open on last round (ya just put the lil pin back in that the Brits removed for some reason) most of the guys setting up metric guns try to modify their recievers to accept the inch pattern charger and so on, mine required no mods, 3 of mine are Snipers 2 with original Trilux opics one is setup with a night scope which has taken out many Coyotes at 300 yards in total blackness with little effort, All 3 are heavy barrel versions the other 4 are original as issued in either wood or plastic furniture all 7 were built from unissued kits we imported in 1985 and so were never impacted by the AWB.
As far as inch mags they are readily available and run $15-$30 depending on where ya buy em. Metric mags fit perfectly in all of my rifles so I use them for plinking and save my stash of Inch mags which I bought when we bought all the kits for Special occasions ;-)
About third worlds right arm.... Actually ya might wanna look up the T-48 that is the American version of the FAL and what we would be carrieing today instead of a crappy lil .22 if the USA hadn't decided American soldiers could not handle the recoil of a .308 and having to carry the heavier ammo, too bad too cause now our guys are begging for weapons that are as reliable and have the stopping power of a FAL instead of said crappy lil .22, its really bad when they are collecting up AK47s to rely on instead of the plastic toy thats issued ;-) The FAL was the standard issued rifle of the British, the Belgiums, Austria well pretty much EVERY Free country other than the USA up untill only a few years ago, Now after seeing the ineffectivness of the M-16 platform and the problems of a 5.56 being effective against targets in Afganistan and Iraq many of those countries are looking at switching back to the .308, America has also started taking another look at the rifle they passed up simply cause the Eugene Stoner design could be built cheaper..... yep thats the ONLY reason the USA Dropped the T-48 cost of manufacture as we were not at War it was decided that a cheaper to produce weapon was the best way to cut military spending, so they took the original Stoner design and further cheapened it by cutting corners even further resulting in the piece of cr@p I spent 9 years of my life packing, got two nephews now one in Iraq the other in Afgan both detest the rifle America chose over the FAL or rather T-48, the T-48 was totally reliable very accurate its only failing was cost.... an alluminum/plastic rifle could be built cheaper especially if ya replaced most of the parts Stoner originally specified as milled for cheaper stamped parts etc... The T-48 was all steel and much more expensive especially as it required heavier machines to mill the harder steel while Alluminum was a piece of cake to work with. Cheaper recievers, cheaper stamped parts, cheaper barrels like they say America's military always turns to the lowest bidder then pays 3 times as much:evil:
Ya have to have at least one FAL based Rifle, it will become the one gun ya will never get rid of and if do ya'll always regret having done so. As far as kit built guns and quality..... uhhh ya do know that most of the DSA guns are built from kits right? Only the very high end of theirs are totally USA made rifles, the quality all depends on who is doing the building, I just picked up 5 Begium kits from a freinds Estate (I tried to buy em for several years while he was alive... he always laughed and said "over my dead body" well he did live up to that but he never did get em built) I'm planning to build all of em on DSA recievers, they are the best ya can get now, especially as a Lithgow reciever will run ya a grand if ya can find one,
December 28, 2006, 07:12 AM
You've got your facts ALL mixed up! ...ya might wanna look up the T-48 that is the American version of the FAL and what we would be carrieing today instead of a crappy lil .22 if the USA hadn't decided American soldiers could not handle the recoil of a .308 and having to carry the heavier ammo...
America has also started taking another look at the rifle they passed up simply cause the Eugene Stoner design could be built cheaper..... yep thats the ONLY reason the USA Dropped the T-48 cost of manufacture as we were not at War it was decided that a cheaper to produce weapon was the best way to cut military spending, so they took the original Stoner design and further cheapened it by cutting corners even further resulting in the piece of cr@p I spent 9 years of my life packing, got two nephews now one in Iraq the other in Afgan both detest the rifle America chose over the FAL or rather T-48
The T48 did NOT compete with the AR15/M16 to become the next America military rifle. The T48 (FAL) competed in the late 40's and early 50's with the T44 (M14). The T44 (M14) went on to become our next military rifle YEARS before Eugene Stoner started work on his design. So, if the M16 wasn't adopted, we would be carrying the M14, NOT the T48/FAL rifle.
December 28, 2006, 07:39 AM
Just recently got back into "the fold" again and bought an Imbel kit on Imbel reciever.
Nice fresh rebuild and had a few bugs to work out of it and now its running nice and smooth. :)
IF you look around...and are patient...then you can find one that is less than the standard quote of 700.
Also if you go over to the Fal Files, you can get a wealth of info over there, as well. You will also find that the later Century recievers aren't as bad as some would lead you to believe...just watch out for the feed ramps.
Lastly, if you do wind up getting one, I suggest investing in a DSA integrated scope mount top cover with the brass catcher...save your boxer brass and feed your kiddies more cost effectively. :) At least it isn't a CETME or HK-clone and dents the brass badly....
December 28, 2006, 08:07 AM
USSR, I know the time frame that would also be the reason for the T-48 designation, I did not say the T-48 was in the trials against the M-16, I was reffering to the T-48 being the American equivalent to the FAL rifle, The M-16 was selected based more on cost of manufacture than any other factor, The T-48 lost out to the M-14 over the same issues, The FAL platform has never been a "third world" produced rifle because it is not cheap nor easily built it has been purchased by many third world countries...... just like the M-16 has been, these same third world countries don't even produce their own AKMs, The FAL has however SERVED as the main battle rifle for more countries than the M-16 and for more years, only in the last couple decades has any major powers swapped over to the 5.56, The M-14 requires fewer machining operations which made it much easier to produce this is why ya have Chi-com M-14 recievers as well as Korean etc... Another thing that went against the T-48 was its appearance, Americans were still in love with the traditional stock of the 03, the Garand etc... the T-48 was a radical departure from this, Funny thing is... have ya ever watched the interview with Eugene Stoner where he's talking about his inspiration for his design? give ya a hint field strip a FAL next to an M-16 and notice how many similarities ya run into :evil:
The M-16 is a perfect coldwar era rifle, its light weight for packin around, ammo is light and cheap its only short fall is if ya actually do have a war break out and have to use it but its the perfect rifle for peace time training drills and looking like a prepared and ready Army, But its not an M-14 or a FAL/T-48 if ya want a real battle rifle ya gotta build it outa STEEL and its gotta fire a round designed to stop the enemy not designed for popping prairi dogs at 500 yards. Hell look at the AK platform now thats a reliable weapon ORIGINALLY chambered in an effective caliber thats proven over an over that it is effective under combat..... but if your under fire by a pack of Texas ground squirls your in serious trouble cause its just not up to the job like the good ol 16 is and I've taken out many a ground squirl with a FAL that 147 grn slug just dessimates em
December 28, 2006, 08:13 AM
DSA builds solid weapons. I anticipate you will be very happy. Most FALs need work on the triggers (but what guns do not these days?).
My next DSA: http://www.dsarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=SA58G1&storeid=1&image=sa58g1.gif
I've had it on order for months and it is due in February. Come on vaporware!!!:cool:
December 28, 2006, 09:50 AM
El T, that G1 looks sweeeeet. We demand picures and a range report when you get it. :)
December 28, 2006, 11:45 AM
I'll have my XCRs before that G1.:scrutiny: :uhoh: I've had it order for months. It better be custom made by little elves for all the waiting I am doing.:p
The anticipation hurts soooo good.:D
December 28, 2006, 12:09 PM
Some good information in this thread. Some less good information.
I don't claim my experience is extensive, but my DSA Para FAL is an excellent weapon that ran perfectly out of the box after a few rounds to set the gas system. I have tweaked it and put more money into it after buying it, but none of that is functional stuff and it is all stuff that I'd probably want on a short-barrel SOCOM style M1A as well.
If you're interested in an FAL, definitely get a DSA, particularly if the price is right. If you're interested in a 7.62 battle rifle, the FAL is a solid winner, in my opinion.
December 28, 2006, 01:59 PM
adrianleewelch, If you are sure it is a DSA, and you are sure that it isn't metric, then odds are good that it is a parts gun built off of a DSA inch reciever.
Read up on Inch (Commonwealth) FALs, the gun could be a FrankenFAL (made from an assortment of different parts) or it could be entirely inch parts. Right now Inch parts are hard to come by so Inch FALs are going up in price.
BTW: Inch guns were used by the UK, Canada, and Aus/NZ.
Even if it is a FrankenFAL an Inch reciever from DSA can be worth $400-$500 because they are in short supply. FrankenFALs are usually worth less money ($600-$1000), but they can be great shooters.
For more info check out the FAL files (you have to register, but it's worth it.)
January 2, 2007, 02:02 AM
Don't get me wrong, DSA guns are nice. A DSA receiver or an original IMBEL (brazil) goes for $450 easy nowadays.
But a FrankenFAL is not necessarily a bad gun.
The last batch of IMBEL parts kits released were literally carried a lot and shot nearly never; surface finish wasn't great from repeated handling but there were mostly nice parts in those kits.
The beauty of the FAL is that they were made so well by FN originally that if one held to their designs then parts from one rifle would work on nearly every other rifle; sort of like the mass production in cars today- how many RS/SS Camaros out there are numbers matching originals?
Basically if you want a rifle that will shoot well out of the box 100% guaranteed and will be worth the most if you sell it- buy DSA, be prepared to wait, and pay more for the privelage, like $1650 or more.
If you want to go blasting with a rifle that is minute-of-bad-guy accurate, and can be built for under $500 (Used to be under $400) with judicious scrounging and some DIY on your part, FrankenFALs are great.
I bought my first FAL as a Century built rifle here on THR about 6 months ago and liked it so much I started building my own FALs. Century guns have some minor fit and finish problems and they didn't get built with the most care but with some careful tinkering they run just fine.
January 2, 2007, 03:40 AM
My opinion, you can't go wrong with a FAL. They're reliable, in worst cases minute of bad guy accurate, and easy shooting.
My own FAL is a Century built L1A1 "Inch Pattern" on an IMBEL receiver. It's a bit of an odd duck, but it feeds reliably from metric magazines and I got it for $800 with 5 magazines and 500 rounds of Portuguese 7.62x51mm. The bore is perfect and it's packed full of real British arsenal markings. One of my jokes is that it's so British I have a strong urge to have a cup of tea after shooting it. :)
January 2, 2007, 04:33 AM
"whereas metric mags can be had brand new, wrapped in cosmoline, for ten bucks a pop."
The 5 dollar+ shipping mags available straight from DSA are of high quality.