.357 Choice, Part II


December 28, 2006, 12:27 AM
Life on Earth will cease to exist as you know it on Tuesday at 3:57 p.m. You will be flown to a small log cabin out in the middle of nowhere with an adequate source of food, a good woman, a dog, a woodburning stove, axe, knives, other tools, 10,000 rounds of assorted ammunition, an autographed copy of Ann Coulter's Godless and Elmer Keith's Hell, I Was There. Oh yes, and a new .357 magnum and a new .44 magnum (both revolvers) with your choice of grips. I'll kick in a Ruger 10/22 rifle and a Mark II pistol because I'm a nice guy and, well, because this isn't real.

Your choice of .357s are these and no others:

1. Ruger Security-Six 6-inch barrel.
2. Ruger Security-Six 4-inch barrel.
3. Ruger GP100 6-inch
4. Ruger GP100 4-inch
5. Smith & Wesson 686 6-inch
6. Smith & Wesson 686 4-inch
7. Smith & Wesson 66 6-inch
8. Smith & Wesson 66 4-inch
9. Colt Python 6-inch
10. Colt Python 4-inch

The .44 magnum choices:

A. Smith & Wesson 629 6-inch
B. Ruger Redhawk 7-inch

Warning: Anyone selecting a gun not on this list will have their woman replaced with Rosie O'Donnell and their copy of Elmer Keith's Hell, I was There! with a copy of Osama bin Laden's Hell, I was There!

Please explain why your choices.

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December 28, 2006, 12:40 AM
4" GP-100 and Redhawk. For outdoors I'd normally choose a 6" but since you gave the 7" as your Redhawk choice then I went with an easier carry.

For the .44Mag I would have gone with a single action but that was not an option.

.38 Special
December 28, 2006, 12:52 AM
I'm still picking the 4" 66, and I'll take the 629 as well. Why? Because Ruger double actions are almost as ugly as Ann Coulter's thoughts.

December 28, 2006, 01:04 AM
It is hard to play by your rules, but that is the fun of it, so I am going to try.
First, does the 10,000 rounds include rimfire ammo? I hope not! I'd need about 20,000 rounds of that alone!

Okay, okay, enough stalling.
I'd take the 6-inch GP100 and the 6-inch 629.
I selected 6 inches for both barrels because, given the surroundings, there is no need nor desire for concealing the guns when out and about. The 6-inch length take adequate advantage of the 357 and 44 ballistics, tames recoil, provides a good sight radius, and is not too hard to carry in a hip or thigh holster.

Now, what I personally would find more interesting, is detailed info. on what the assortment of ammunition would be. I would opt for all cast bullet loads myself. I'd want 44 ammo using bullets dropped from LEE's 310 44 mould. I'd want some cast hard and some cast soft. I'd also want bullets cast medium from Lyman's 429244 mould with gas checks. I could do all work required with a 44 using those three bullets. I'd load them all over 20 grains of W296.

In the 357 I'd want 168-grain LSWCGC bullets cast medium hard and loaded over 14 or 15 grains of 2400. I'd also want 148-grain wadcutters loaded in 38 special cases over 2.5 of bullseye powder.

In the rimfires, I'd require only one load, a good 40-grain lead bullet AT STANDARD VELOCITY. About 20,000 rounds of it.

If I could not have my custom Ruger Bisely 44 with 4-5/8 barrel, and my Dan Wesson M15-2 with 4, 6, 8-inch barrels, a supply of lead and all of my own casting equipment, I'd take the above and I would not pout too much!

December 28, 2006, 01:21 AM
Now what generation S&W's are we talking here? If it's of the older generation(before "improvements" such as the Klinton-hole and MIM parts) I'd probably go for 686(either bbl length since I'd rather have a 5") and the 629. If we're talking newer, Ruger GP-100 and Redhawk.

December 28, 2006, 01:35 AM
I'd go for the S&W 686-6" and the S&W 629-6-1/2", simply because I shoot both well, manageable recoil, good sight radius and minimal maintenance.

Have you ever noticed how some folks can't just answer the question, but seem to rather prefer modifying, changing, adjusting, or otherwise avoid a simple, specific answer. This must drive LEO's absolutely nuts. :scrutiny:

December 28, 2006, 02:16 AM
i have the gp100 6" and the 10/22 so toss me the redhawk and away i go.

December 28, 2006, 02:58 AM
OK, if my 686 can be a 686 Mountain Gun, then I'd take a 4" 686 and 6" 629. If I can't have a 686 in the Mountain Gun flavor, I'll take the 4" 66 and the 6" 629. The 4" 686 MG or 66 for relatively lightweight carry and the 629 for hunting deer and such, since in this scenario we were evidently unable to bring a centerfire rifle. Rugers are good, but I know the inner workings of S&Ws far better than I know the guts of Rugers.

December 28, 2006, 03:59 AM
and by the way,where can we sign up for this?got 2 of the guns and the dog,just need the cabin and good woman. oh wait its one of those hypothetical things.....thought it sounded to good to be true.

December 28, 2006, 08:53 AM
the 6" GP-100 (w red dot sight) the Red Hawk, and the 10/22. Would like to add two carbines in .44 and .357.

Brian Williams
December 28, 2006, 10:17 AM
4" 66
trade the 44 for a 6" 686

Then since I am the last guy there, I would swap them into Blue steel and wood. Make them a 19 and a 586

December 28, 2006, 10:20 AM
well, because I'm certain I would be hunting...
6 inch .44 - more accurate and more power because of the added barrel length. All choices for the 44 are fine ;)
Aint gunna hunt big game with a rimfire....
and gunna kill a mountain lion or bear with a .357 or a .22.....

December 28, 2006, 01:23 PM
Hmmm. Strange that no one took the Security-Six with a 6-inch barrel. That would have been my choice. I also would take the Redhawk because, in an area where gun parts are not available, I'd want something I knew could take indefinate use and pounding. So which one of these is less likely to fail or be damaged in a drop? Which one is less likely to go out of time?

The Security-Six is robust enough to last, it's easier to carry, it's easier to line up quickly on a close target like a bear or cougar and it was designed to be a field gun and not a range gun.

Can't wait to find out which woman you'd take! I dibs Amanda Tapping!

December 28, 2006, 01:26 PM
I'd still take the Python, bit the 6" this time. For the 44 I'd take the smith.

December 28, 2006, 01:45 PM

hmm... that smells like bait...


but it sure looks tasty... and it's wiggling around in the water. Oh what the heck...

686 4" Miculek grips. I'm not buying the life as we know it being over so I want something I can get into action quick.

Adequate food supply? "enough" never is.

629 6" w/ Hogue rubber monogrip. In case I need something to hunt with or for critter defense.

Why? I'm still haunted by images of Bill Ruger testifying in front of Congress on how I don't need and was not worthy of more than 10 round magazines. POS. :fire:

And I generally like the fit and action of the smith better.

My few pieces of eight.

December 28, 2006, 04:36 PM
Any of the guns will be fine, but I want to know more about this "good woman" that you are promising? ;)

Black Knight
December 28, 2006, 04:52 PM
I love my 6 inch Python but for this I would go with the 6 inch S&W 686 and the 6 inch S&W 629. Same operation as far as how to open the cylinder for loading, unloading, and reloading.

December 28, 2006, 05:51 PM
I won't fly so my choice is moot. However an acquaintance at work gave me his feelings about this so I thought I'd share it.

First, in this exercise it looked like the .44 would be the hunting option and the .357 the defensive one. Since he is gay and doesn't like to read he didn't mind those penalties for going off the list.

He said his .357 choice would be a S&W Model 65 with a 3-inch barrel. I would concur with him as it is a near-perfect choice in that role anywhere above the snubby class. It's more powerful, packable and ergonomic than most others on the list, and that's important here.

We both also agreed on the Redhawk ... due to long-term reliability issues.


December 28, 2006, 06:03 PM
686 4'' barrel. Because I own one and love it to death!

December 28, 2006, 08:07 PM
Sounds all good . . . When do I leave? I'll take the 4" Python and the 7" Redhawk. Thanks for the grip options too. I hope the middle of nowhere has a river or lake.


December 28, 2006, 09:19 PM
I'm going with the S&W 686-6in. .357 Mag. and the and the Redhawk-7in. .44 Mag.

December 28, 2006, 09:38 PM
4" security six because of strength and carry weight.

Redhawk, no question.

Warning: Anyone selecting a gun not on this list will have their woman replaced with Rosie O'Donnell

Hmm, maybe I could trade the beeeoch to .38 Special for Ann Coulter. MMMmmmmm.....yummy......Of course, Rosie'd pass away with a heart attack at the first sight of that 7" long..........barrel on the Redhawk. :D Antigun liberal twat.

December 28, 2006, 10:09 PM
OLDer Revolvers please.

Model 66 4" for the .357

Oh and I cannot wait until the ladies on this forum reply.
You do realize some actually CCW .357 , .41 and .44 mags -with full house loads.
Yeah, you stepped in it all right. :p

December 28, 2006, 11:05 PM
Going with the Model 66 would be a mistake, SM. Not only is it not as robust as the Ruger Security-Six, but I understand Rosie doesn't like the 66 -- and you know how Rosie is about things she doesn't like.

The 66 could get thrown out of time in less than 5,000 rounds of magnum ammo, so I didn't include it on the list. [Note: SM was right, I did include it. Just shows you what old age can do!] But I LOVE the 66-1 just the same. I also love the 629.

The Smith 65 is nixed for the same reason. A Speed-Six in 3-inch barrel will take far more pounding, though it isn't as beautiful. I'd love a 64 or 65 in 4-inch.

December 28, 2006, 11:13 PM
The 66 could get thrown out of time in less than 5,000 rounds of magnum ammo, so I didn't include it on the list.

Confederate wrote Post #1:
8. Smith & Wesson 66 4-inch

It is all good.
Actually I would prefer a Model 19 , or K frame , 3" RB HB for a revolver.

Desert Island:
I would prefer a
Bone stock Gov't Model of 1911 , proven in all sorts of climates and conditions, a tool unto itself and easy to maintain. I mean these do run 100,000 rds ....

Just a "what if" I know still...why re-invent the wheel?


December 28, 2006, 11:14 PM
You limited your list to a series of guns that are all relatively equal in reputation, quality, price and accuracy. None of us can tell you which one will feel best in your hand.

December 30, 2006, 03:23 AM
I would go off your choices to a Dan Wesson model 715 6", and the 6" 629.

I'll let you keep Rosie (though if I had to choose between her and Coulter, it would be difficult as both are equally disgusting, IMHO) :eek: I'll use Coulter's book to start fires with, or maybe toilet paper, it's not worth reading. :D

December 30, 2006, 02:52 PM
1)I will select either a 4-inch or a 6-inch Ruger Security-Six or an 4-inch Security-Six or a 7.5-inch Redhawk .357. Why? Because I know just how good these guns really are and how much tougher they are than most of the more popular name Brand revolvers! Also, because of their unique modular design and quick and easy takedown that facilitates easy cleaning and reassembly in the field-which comes in mighty handy in the event you should drop these guns in a stream and need to quickly get the gun cleaned up to enable you to continue using these guns without being put out of commission due to gun failure, and the need for a Gunsmith before you could use your guns again(Like in the case of an S&W, Colt, etc.!)! Although it is true that the trigger on both the older S&W and Colt revolvers are superior to these Ruger revolvers, it is also true, that in time, the triggers on these Rugers will improve significantly with continued usage! A spring kit will help immensely also!

2)I also own several S&W and Colt revolvers. However, I must disagree that an Ruger Security or Speed-six is an uglier gun than an S&W! To me, although I like my S&W model 64 & 65, I think that the Speed-Six is a better looking gun! This is not to say that the Model 64 and 65's are ugly-just that they are not prettier IMHO, than is the Speed-Six! Keep in mind, that there are alot of S&W and Colt revolvers that are in fact, ugly-but, most folks turn a blind eye to this ugliness in view of their bias towards their favorite Brand of guns or otherwise, because a certain gun is very popular with the masses(Despite this ugliness!)! Looks is always in the eye of the beholder-and, this is why there are so many different styles of guns on the market!

December 30, 2006, 03:13 PM
Ill take the 4" GP100 and the Redhawk. Do we get to choose ammo? If so I want 330 gr Hammerheads for the Redhawk and my 158 gr XTP handloads.

December 30, 2006, 07:31 PM
Ruger GP 100 6" and the redhawk- durability. security six is good too if you have the target sized grips or large aftermarkets. Add good ear protection for all these magnums and for when the ideal woman begins to b1tch.

.38 Special
December 30, 2006, 08:55 PM
Hmm, maybe I could trade the beeeoch to .38 Special for Ann Coulter.
Ugly thoughts are ugly thoughts. Doesn't really matter to me whether they come out of an overweight talk show host or a cross-dressing radio personality. :neener:

December 30, 2006, 11:02 PM
A number of years ago I worked for the NRA and everyone dreaded Elmer Keith coming by for a visit. The headquarters were over on Rhode Island Ave. and 16th back then, in Washington, D.C., and he'd walk in with a concealed .44 magnum and who knows what else, which was illegal as hell! He also used the "N" word every other sentence, wore clothes that looked like he slept in them and smoked a horrible cigar. Never dealt with him myself, thank goodness, but everyone breathed a bit better once he was in the cab and headed back for the airport.

I think he's one guy who wouldn't have been intimidated by Ann Coulter. They might have made a fine pair. If not her, Rosie O'Donnel. He probably would have skinned her and hung her up.

Ah, the world is just filled with interesting people!

December 30, 2006, 11:10 PM
"Ah, the world is just filled with interesting people!"
Not surprising although he wrote in one of his books that it was not right to disparage people because of race.

December 30, 2006, 11:37 PM
Six inch Security Six. I had one. I also had the 4", but couldn't hit the ground with it. I think I like them over the GP100s, because I just like a metal grip frame. If anyone could tell me an advantage to having a GP 100, I would be interested to hear about it, though.

Ruger Redhawk. Definately. A previous poster mentioned ease of takedown as a big advantage of the Rugers, and it is a beautiful thing. (what I'd really like is a .45 Colt Redhawk)

Hogue Monogrips, with finger grooves and no checkering on both. Preferably Coco Bolo.

Go Stainless.

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