What can you do with a .22 rifle?


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CalamityJane
December 28, 2006, 08:59 AM
I enjoyed reading the thread on the AR-15, and what they were good for. I have been wondering the same about the "everyone should have one" .22 rifle. I do want one. But not being very knowledgeable about long guns, nor ever having hunted, I would like input on what can be accomplished with a
.22 besides the terrific fun of target shooting. IOW, can it serve a functional purpose on the farm that other guns do not?

Thanks.

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Sistema1927
December 28, 2006, 09:16 AM
The chief benefit of the .22 rifle is the fact that ammo is cheap enough that you can shoot enough to become proficient. 550 rounds of Wally World Federal ammo is cheaper than 20 rounds of many centerfire calibers.

At the same time, the .22 rifle will do the job on rodents and other pests around the farm.

Once you have one .22 rifle you will want more. At last count I have six of them.

Owen
December 28, 2006, 09:19 AM
.22s are good on animals up to the size of a coyote or so. The ammo is cheap, and the report and recoil are quite mild. I think they are ideal for fox in the henhouse, rabbits in the garden type scenarios

Sniper4Life
December 28, 2006, 09:28 AM
Cheap ammo= MUCH SHOOTING:evil:

Yes a .22 does have a place on a farm it will take care of a lot problems, from putting down the sick cow to killing groundhogs at 200yds. Even though it is illegal most of the deer in my county taken by the locals have been shot with a .22. If you live on a farm definantly get one, or two, or three, or.........:evil:

Dave Markowitz
December 28, 2006, 09:34 AM
1. Cheap practice.
2. Cheap way to introduce new shooters.
3. Quiet, so .22 LR can be shot in areas where louder rounds could cause neighbor problems.
4. Small game hunting.
5. Vermin control.
6. Plinking.
7. Serious target shooting.

ZeSpectre
December 28, 2006, 09:34 AM
A .22 is good for... really pissing you off when the primers don't fire :evil:

Seriously though, your typical .22 LR is great for learning to shoot, the guns are (realatively) inexpensive and the ammo is pretty cheap. If you're of a mind to have a "project" gun there are probably more tweaks and aftermarket parts for .22 guns than anything else out there. Also excellent for varmits of many types, especially as some .22 rounds punch about as hard as a good airgun so can be used in a more urban setting without risking nearby neighbors.

Of course if you are an uber-trained super mega mall-ninja who can shoot the eye off a gnat repeatedly at 100 yards with a 40mph crosswind... well the .22 is all you need to hunt big game in darkest Africa as well :D

SSN Vet
December 28, 2006, 09:35 AM
more fun....

just make sure you obey rule #4...be sure of your target and what is beyond, because those little buggers can go a long way.

at least that's what I was taught......but I lack factual knowledge so I'll piggy back my own .22 question...

What's the muzzle velocity of a typical .22 rifle? and to what range could it inflict serious injury (I'm thinking about safe plinking in a wooded area here).

Onmilo
December 28, 2006, 09:37 AM
We keep chickens and other domestic livestock and a .22 is perfect for keeping pests away when this close to the other outbuildings.

It is a whole lot cheaper and quieter than using a .243 Winchester and does the job just as well.

Even now, after being introduced to the sport over 30 years ago, even now I gain great pleasure from shooting river rats and field mice with a .22 rifle.
Many years ago my cousin and I used to get a nickle a rat bounty from the local dump and this was our movie money.
.22s were .63 cents a box then and if you were really good you could make
$1.87 profit in about two hours, good money for an eleven year old.

The abundance of field mice doesn't seem to keep the corn and black snakes and fox and coyote away from the chicken pens so I happily murder them for not doing their job, the .22 is perfect for this task.
I hate rats, they serve no useful purpose whatsoever, even the snakes won't eat them.

Cute as they make raccoons and opossums on the animal planet network, they are incredibly destructive in real life and I will shoot them without mercy when they become a problem around the outbuildings or the animals.
Again a .22 is perfect for this task and won't punch gigantic holes through the sides of the buildings if you get a ricochet or poorly placed shot.

Unless you are good enough to hit a moving target, at night, don't try shooting the coyote and fox with a .22LR, this doesn't work so well, this is the realm where that nasty AR15 rifle shines, If I could just get ITI to sell me a 4th generation night vision pocket scope for under $1000 I would have this problem licked,,,,,,,,,:D

Velocity is based on the chosen type of cartridge and barrel length.
.22 CB Longs are about 800 fps
.22 LR Subsonics are about 980 fps
.22 LR standard velocity are about 1085 fps
.22 High Velocity are about 1190 fps
.22 Super high velocity-Stingers, Expeditors, etc. are about 1325 fps
Your results may vary and a .22 LR bullet is capable of inflicting a serious injury to about 500 meters, plan your backstop and know what is behind the area you shoot in.
In realistic terms, using average muzzle elevation from a shooting position, a .22 bullet will generally not travel more than about 3500 feet over flat level ground before it hits the dirt.

1911 guy
December 28, 2006, 09:39 AM
It's been done and I've done it myself. If you don't know how to find the sweet spot, it gets messy and decidedly un-fun.

Groundhogs and skunks were the main things done with our .22s when I was growing up. Well, those and lots of plinking. I can remember seeing a "whistle pig" out in the alfalfa one day, I was in elementary school, maybe junior high. Pretty far out, so I got down prone and my Dad got behind me, standing with a pair of binoculars. Every time I shot, he'd see the dust between the new alfalfa sprouts the groundhog was chewing on. Used his feedback to whack the thing after about 8 or ten shots.

aka108
December 28, 2006, 09:40 AM
Originator mentions AR15 in first sentence. Then 22 cal. Were you addressing 22 rimfire or 22 cal in centerfire cartridges?

Father Knows Best
December 28, 2006, 09:43 AM
What's the muzzle velocity of a typical .22 rifle?
That depends on a lot of factors. Your average "high velocity" 22LR round with a 40 grain bullet fired out of a typical rifle or carbine barrel, though, will do 1200-1300 fps. "Standard" velocity rounds will be closer to 1100 fps, and "hyper" velocity rounds may hit 1400 fps. There are also subsonic and other low velocity rounds that go as slow as 600 fps.
and to what range could it inflict serious injury (I'm thinking about safe plinking in a wooded area here).
A long way. "Effective range", meaning the range at which you can hit anything, is around 200 yards, because the ballistics are such that bullet drop becomes very difficult to compensate for beyond that range. Practical max range for most people is closer to 100 yards, but I bet most 22LR shooting is done at more like 50 feet.

Thats not to say they can't cause serious injury well beyond 150 yards. Always have a safe backstop.

CalamityJane
December 28, 2006, 09:51 AM
"Originator mentions AR15 in first sentence. Then 22 cal. Were you addressing 22 rimfire or 22 cal in centerfire cartridges?"


Rimfire.

Thanks for all the replies so soon. Your answers are just what I wanted to hear!

shaggycat
December 28, 2006, 10:02 AM
We live in an urban area and were having trouble with rabbits eating our tomatoes. The 22 did the trick without alerting the neighbors 20 yards away.

But for me, as others have said, the main thing is cost. If you can't afford to shoot enough to learn your craft, what good is that high powered rifle that never gets shot?

Just because someone owns a book, that doesn't make them a reader. Same thing applies to shooting.

Glockfan.45
December 28, 2006, 10:10 AM
Yes a .22 does have a place on a farm it will take care of a lot problems, from putting down the sick cow

Thats not right at all :mad: its just plain cruel. Use the right caliber for the animal or dont shoot the damn thing at all. Now that I have that off my chest .22 is great for small varmint hunting. I do a lot of coyote hunting in some areas we hunt its just too wide open and flat with buildings and livestock around to use a centerfire. Cheap ammo, low report, no recoil = lots of practice. When I take a 10/22 out 500 rounds is nothing to burn up in a day.

ArchAngelCD
December 28, 2006, 08:20 PM
As many people have already said, cheap ammo means a lot of practice which will make you a better shot. The .22 LR is great for riding yourself of varmints and rodents.

Be careful because unlike posted above, the .22 LR is effective up to 1 mile, not 150 to 200 yds. Be very careful where you shoot a .22 LR.

From the CCI Site:
Subsonic .22 Short & .22 Long = 710 fps
Standard .22 Short 29 gr = 1080 fps
Standard .22 LR 40 gr = 1080 fps
High Volicity .22 LR 40 gr = 1235 fps
Mini-Mag .22 LR 36 gr = 1260 fps
Velocitor .22 LR 40 gr = 1435 fps
STINGER .22 LR 36 gr = 1640 fps (GREAT ROUND BTW)

mr.trooper
December 28, 2006, 08:49 PM
You CAN kill an Elephant with a .22lr; its been done.

Under normal circumstances a .22lr is great for anything smaller than your average dog. That makes it great for foraging and small game hunting. the ammo is alse very inexpensive and very light. Its not very loud either.

rangerruck
December 28, 2006, 09:28 PM
a 22 , rifle or pistol, can teach yourself the correct way to shoot; target acqusition, trigger control, breathing technique, both eyes open, recoil control, offhand, weakhand, prone, kneeling, sitting, etc. much cheaper to learn this way, instead of a centerfire.

Nematocyst
December 29, 2006, 12:09 AM
Elephants with a .22?
Yeah, kinda like driving to the south pole in a jeep: it can be done, but it will be painful.

The .22 LR rifle in my toolkit is for one thing only: small game for the pot.

Squirrel, rabbit, maybe coon if I get hungry enough at some future time
when things change beyond what we can even imagine now...

I'm about to sell a CZ 452 Style (http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=6) so that I can buy a Marlin 39A
(because I've learned I'm a lever guy, not a bolt guy, even if the 452 IS a tack driver).

Let me know via PM if you're interested in bidding on the 452.

Going once, going twice...

dm1333
December 29, 2006, 12:19 AM
I have some nice guns but the one I shoot the most is my TC R-55 Sporter. Accurate as hell for practicing serious rifle shooting and a lot of fun for plain old plinking. I am in the Coast Guard and just went to the range to keep my quals up on the M16 and I outshot the small arms instructor. I attribute that to lots of shooting with my .22s.

Logan5
December 29, 2006, 01:00 AM
The .22 has been with us since the White patent for the bored-through cylinder, pretty much, so it's seen an amazing ammount of tweaking and platform experimentation. I bought a .22 rifle for $100 at a flea market that's identical to the one that took me from NRA smallbore novice through Jr. Olympic tryouts (a Mossberg 44US(b), to be exact.) Just the massive variety of rifles produced over such a long time frame means you can find anything, with enough looking, from a .22 AK clone, to a 100 year old gallery rifle, up through stuff like the Calico or the American 180. A solid semi can be had for well under $100 used, and a light, slim, sporting rifle that will show you laser like accuracy with iron sights can be had for much less than anything similar in a centerfire.
As for what you can do with them aside from paper punching; I wouldn't reccomend a .22 for anything very large. Elephant is right out. On the other hand, I once shot a fruit-tree despoiling porcupine up close with a .30-30, and there's a lot to be said for using the simplest thing that is reasonably likely to work.

ozarkhillbilly
December 29, 2006, 01:23 AM
Yes a .22 does have a place on a farm it will take care of a lot problems, from putting down the sick cow

Thats not right at all its just plain cruel. Use the right caliber for the animal or dont shoot the damn thing at all.

A lot of farmers in the 40s, 50s, and 60s would only have one gun and that was usually a old 22lr, both of my grandfathers being good examples. They were dairy farmers, the deer populations in the Midwest were almost non existent so most farmers did not hunt, and a gun was just some tool like a hammer or saw. So out on the farm you used what you had, if your live stock was suffering you put it down the best way you could and that was usually your old 22lr. I also know plenty of old farmers who used to butcher their own cattle and would walk up to the cow, place the muzzle right behind the ear and kill the cow with a 22lr.

A few years back a little girl was killed while riding behind her dad on the back of a lawn mower. The bullet came from almost a half mile away from a kid shooting and not having a proper back stop.

Selfdfenz
December 29, 2006, 02:09 AM
I have personally seen more cows and pigs dispatched with a 22 between the eyes than I care to remember. Actually that's the only way I've ever seen it done.

So, take a chill pill Glockfan.

S-

Dionysusigma
December 29, 2006, 02:30 AM
It wouldn't be useful for violent bear attacks or mountain lions, though, would it? :confused:

(Aside from sneaking up on the dozing kitty and/or bear) :uhoh:












:D :D :D

carpettbaggerr
December 29, 2006, 03:13 AM
An American 180 would be fine for lions, and bears. Oh my. :D

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg62-e.htm

Glockfan.45
December 29, 2006, 06:36 AM
Just because something can be done or has been done does not mean it should be done. If I were going to kill you via gun shot to the head, and I offered you the choice between a .308 or a .22lr which would you pick? I bet the .308 would be your choice. I hunt so I am not a soy eating PETA member by any degree. I do however have respect for all creatures and life and would not use the improper tool to dispatch a creature with. As for the poor farmers during the 30's.........well times have changed. I have little doubt most of us can afford a box of .45, .44mag, .357mag. etc.

1911 guy
December 29, 2006, 08:00 AM
Rest easy, Glockfan, there's a method to the seeming madness of using a .22 rimfire on livestock, and it will drop them DRT. If you make a cross (chalk or imaginary line) from an animals left ear to its right eye and left eye to right ear, the intersection of those two lines is the shortest path to the brain.

Commercial slaughterhouses use a thing called a "captive bolt", basically a spike powered by a .22 blank, same as commercial nail guns. Even large livestock will hit the floor in a heap.

Back before federal regulations, many slaughter houses had a "chalker" and a "hammer". Chalker would make the "X" as the cattle went by in a chute, the hammer was the biggest guy they could find to hire and hand a sledge hammer. That was my Dad's first job out of high school.

Father Knows Best
December 29, 2006, 09:43 AM
Be careful because unlike posted above, the .22 LR is effective up to 1 mile, not 150 to 200 yds. Be very careful where you shoot a .22 LR.
You misread my post. I didn't say the 22LR wasn't dangerous beyond 150 to 200 yards. I said it was hard to hit your target beyond 150 to 200 yards because of the ballistics (mortar-like trajectory and brick-like ballistic coefficient). Here's what I actually posted, and I stand by it:
A long way. "Effective range", meaning the range at which you can hit anything, is around 200 yards, because the ballistics are such that bullet drop becomes very difficult to compensate for beyond that range. Practical max range for most people is closer to 100 yards, but I bet most 22LR shooting is done at more like 50 feet.

Thats not to say they can't cause serious injury well beyond 150 yards. Always have a safe backstop.

Selfdfenz
December 29, 2006, 10:15 AM
Glockfan 45

I think several of us would like to know precisely how many head of domestic livestock you have personally dispatched. I’d just like to know what experience base you’re working off of. I could be 100% wrong but based on your comments I think the answer may be 0 or you would know that a well placed 22LR solid to the head will drop a full sized steer so fast it seems to multiply the force of gravity. There is nothing in the process that’s inhuman and in my expereince prehaps less so that some of the scenarios we face as hunters. I think your sense of respect for the animal is laudable but not directly applicable.

DRT as 1911 guy describes the process couldn’t be more apt.

I’ll pass on responding to the styling content in your last post other than to say it was somewhat offensive. Perhaps you can work on some better ways to make your point and win others to your POV than analogies structured in this manner:

If I were going to kill you via gun shot to the head

Not very THR.

Best,

S-

Steel Talon
December 29, 2006, 10:33 AM
Hello CJ....

Be careful because unlike posted above, the .22 LR is effective up to 1 mile, not 150 to 200 yds. Be very careful where you shoot a .22 LR.


Effective no, dangerous yes.

Pretty much all has been touted on the benefiets/enjoyment of shooting of the 22lr. Now its going to be a choice of single shot, bolt action, lever action or semi auto or wheel gun (revolver). Open sights or scoped:)

My advice (FWIW) would be to find an affordable bolt action 22lr. with open sights. If you like Mil surp. The Romanian military trainer can still be found for under a $100.00.

Also as stated,it is useful on the ranch ,but again can cause damage to outbuildings, equipment ie. "unintended targets" I have also seen ranch animals put down with a 22 mag.( Hogs) However my grandfather would use his 30-30 for anything larger.

Many trappers(myself included when I trapped many years ago) tend to use a 22lr. to put animals down with. I believe it was 1911 above that identified the "sweet spot" for the brain shot. However; when I was young I came upon a badgar when I was checking my trap line (today, I believe he was rabid) I had a old Glenfield 22lr. semi-auto. This badgar was making a meal of a Marten, when he (badgar) saw me he came at me. He finally fell after taking 12 hits, now both of us were moving simultaneously but none the less he took 12 hits, after that years fur buy I purchased a 22magnum.

Peace
Steel Talon:cool:

SamTuckerMTNMAN
December 29, 2006, 10:49 AM
It's a logical step up for a kid who has been safe and responsible with his air rifle. I shot a .22 and .22 mag for a long time before getting into larger calibers. There is a fun to shooting this rifle that others don't quite match in some way. When I was younger I'd just range around the fields and woods, and safely/alertly, practice hitting all sorts of little things; stumps, dirt, leaves on water (beware of glancing the bullet, where i was it was relatively safe with mountain backdrop and hardwoods). The .22 is how I always help someone learn to shoot a powder rifle.
Also, for survival, you can carry/stock lots of ammo, it is useful against someone tactical masters be damned (you just might need to aim more and hit them more times :evil: ). Really, at close range, more people have been killed by assassination with the .22 than any other caliber.
My grandpa always killed the pig with a .22 lr or mag. I use a 7.62x39 but the .22 does just fine. It's knowing how to use the tool, not just the tool itself.
.22 ammo is so common it is also a good trade item, pre or post SHTF :neener:
The bullets are easy to pull out for other fun hobbies.
Be careful with storage I had a lot which was mostly airtight but went through wild temp variations, after 5 years or 6 it had a high failure to fire rate :(

have fun take care
st

ps - recommendation; even though its less accurate and burns up your ammo, a semi auto .22lr is good stuff, or a bolt action .22 magnum. Don't spend more than $150! If a pistol you want, 9 shot revolver by high standard, double action....or any wheel gun .22 is good. i don't prefer auto .22's because with the reduced recoil power of some loads you run higher risk of not feeding correctly and jamming. Dealing with jammed weapons all the time is NOT fun and can be dangerous. just my .02 c

CZguy
December 29, 2006, 12:19 PM
Iíll pass on responding to the styling content in your last post other than to say it was somewhat offensive. Perhaps you can work on some better ways to make your point and win others to your POV than analogies structured in this manner:


Quote:
If I were going to kill you via gun shot to the head

Not very THR.

I would just like to say that I agree wholeheartedly with Selfdfenz. I would really like to hear a moderators views on this.

Redneck with a 40
December 29, 2006, 12:43 PM
You can do a lot more with a 22 magnum.:neener: The downrange energy is about double at 100 yards.:D

de
December 29, 2006, 05:05 PM
The question of what can you do with a 22 rifle, could be asked, what can't you do with a 22 rifle. My Grandfather would be over a hunderd if he were still alive. He (and my Dad) were full blood Cherokees from Ok. and in the fifties we were poor as church mice. We just didn't know it. But anyway, my point is that Grandpa had an old Winchester leveraction 22 with an octagon barrel he found in a clay cave along the Verdigris River in the early 1900s and a single shot 12 gauge. It was all he needed. He knew what each one would do, and used each appropriately.
Today I watched on the Outdoor Channel, a man kill a 150lb hog with a stock pellet rifle in Ok. I live in the middle of feral hog country (north central Tx.) and they along with other big game ain't that hard to kill. It's the marksmanship that counts the most.

telomerase
December 29, 2006, 05:12 PM
IOW, can it serve a functional purpose on the farm that other guns do not?

Farmers where I grew up never used anything else (i.e. were too cheap to use anything else). They'd kill feral pigs with .22 rifles (!) Definitely don't try this at home.

Of course, since they never used anything else they didn't miss much.

Tylden
December 29, 2006, 07:45 PM
I have an old Marlin 39A leveraction .22 that I love dearly. Out of all my guns (and I do have a few ;) ) that little .22 without a doubt gives me (and my son) the most fun and enjoyment, and more importantly, great memories. I don't know about you all, but when it comes to having some REAL FUN, it's awful hard to beat a day at the farm plinking with .22's. Also, this usually means my 12 year old son just may want to come along with his CZ 452 Scout and have a good time with his old man :D .....and this is something that a centerfire just couldn't have provided for us (at least not yet :evil: ) Every time I see our .22's in the safe together, I remember all the good times we've had together with them, and look forward to the next opportunity to go again. Come to think of it, I have quite a bit of .22 ammo that needs to get shot up and replaced with fresh :rolleyes: .....I feel a day of plinking is definately in order while he's out of school on Christmas break !!!

CZguy
December 29, 2006, 07:53 PM
Tylden,

That was particularly well said.

I grew up in rural Missouri in the fifties. I have very fond memories of shooting tin cans off a fence rail from the back porch with my Dad and brothers after Church on Sunday afternoons. :) :)

MCgunner
December 29, 2006, 08:00 PM
All around fun guns for plinking tin cans (builds character, you know?)

Great utility around the house gun if you live out of town. Powerful enough for marauding coyotes, but won't PO the neighbors like a big caliber gun.

The number one tool for serious squirrel hunting. Shotguns don't count, that's cheating.

Great for sitting rabbits and if you get really good you can hit running ones.

Great in the truck out on the farm where you won't be shooting at anything big.

I own five, myself. My first one I acquired for my 9th birthday. Still have it and it's my most accurate .22 LR. I have a bunch of .22 handguns, also. I couldn't live without a .22 rifle.

You can do a lot more with a 22 magnum. The downrange energy is about double at 100 yards.

That's good because a box of ammo is about quadruple. :D I have one, though, and it's quite accurate.

Redneck with a 40
December 29, 2006, 11:25 PM
The ammo cost of the 22 magnum comes from the fact that it uses real jacketed bullets, plus the case is much stronger. I'm not shooting thousands of rounds a month out of it, I think the extra cost is worth it.:neener:

I've found 22 mag ammo on the internet for as low as $5.60/50. That's not too bad.

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