How many rounds do you fire to make a decision?


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simulatedjim
December 28, 2006, 03:56 PM
Bought my first pistol other than a 1911. How many rounds do you fire before you conclude this pistol is not for me?

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wooderson
December 28, 2006, 03:57 PM
Less 'number of rounds' more trips to the range and months. I don't like taking any kind of trade-in or selling hit, so I stick with 'em for a long while.

Tigerseye
December 28, 2006, 04:04 PM
It sounds like you're very familiar with 1911 guns and are trying something new. I'd suggest that you stay with it for 500 rounds or so before deciding to sell or trade it. The only thing I can think of that would cause me to trade it immediately would be some ergonomic problem, like hammer bite or inability to reach the safety or mag release.

Tigerseye

SuperNaut
December 28, 2006, 04:04 PM
With a Glock? One.

Of course I ended-up putting way more than that down range. I don't mean this to be a Glock-bash, I just immediately knew it was wrong for me. I felt the same way about a Luger a friend wanted to sell to me. Fine guns both, just not for me.

Skywarp
December 28, 2006, 04:16 PM
The first range trip.


That's it, if i cant shoot with it or couldnt feel comfortable with it.

It's done

simulatedjim
December 28, 2006, 04:24 PM
Well its not a Glock but a HK P2000SK. Same slide lenght as my Officers model. But I could in no way call what I shot a "group". Funny, I can shoot fine with a Glock.

Snarlingiron
December 28, 2006, 04:28 PM
Sounds like you answered your own question.:D

hnk45acp
December 28, 2006, 04:34 PM
Non HK shooters tend to shoot low & to the left with HKs esp. the USP line.
Which variant do you have? LEM or DA/SA? The LEM trigger is nice but a bit spongy.

HK triggers are in no way close to a nice 1911 trigger so if that's what you're used to then the HK isn't gonna get any better.

I would stick with it for a while and approach it like your first pistol and invest a bit of time into it.

The P2000s are great service pistols. Very reliable and rugged. I think you'll find that you'll want to keep it after a few more trips to the range

joesolo
December 28, 2006, 04:35 PM
I bought a new pistol recently (4-5weeks ago) and shot it pretty bad the first range session. Not really sure why but was definitely scratching my head on the way home. Next three times out I was about as clean with it as I am with the pistols I have had a while. Guess it took a couple of range sessions and familiarizing myself with it get in the groove. Glad I kept it as I have had this one on my side ever since.

ZeSpectre
December 28, 2006, 04:51 PM
I never decide until at least three range sessions (on different days). I can think of at least one rifle I tried and had a terrible time with on the first session. A week later I tried again and had a great time. Same with third session (had a great time). I think that first day was just a bad day for me overall. Had I rushed to judgement I would have missed out on a fine gun.

simulatedjim
December 28, 2006, 04:53 PM
It has the LEM trigger and yes generally low and left but only a little left and a whole lot low

Savage.250
December 28, 2006, 05:09 PM
I'd recommend giving it time. I had the a similar problem but with the 1911. Bought a new Kimber Series I a few years ago. I HATED it at first. My problem was I was used to smaller sights like on the old Winchester 62. Even the other handguns I was used to didn't have that much day light on either side of the front sight. Those sights (1911) were the biggest blockiest sights I had ever seen. After about 3 sessions I finally got used to them. Now, it's probably my favorite handgun to shoot.

Same with the XD. The trigger on that was hard to get used to after shooting the Kimber. Took several rounds in the XD before I got used to it.

Hang in there. Some guns will grow on a person and some you just seem to fight. If you have put a couple few hundred rounds through it and are still fighting, let her go.

51Cards
December 28, 2006, 05:11 PM
Generally, after about 12,000 rds, I finally come to a decision. :D

Before that, I regularly threaten them with going back to the orphanage. Usually, they submit and find the inky part of the paper again. As long as that balance of humility is maintained, we exist in dynamic balance.

I have previously threatened with exile: KT P-3AT, Colt Defender, SA XD-9/SC. All have come to see my point of view well before the aforementioned limit, and so have been invited to stay. For now ...

:D :D :D

kungfuhippie
December 28, 2006, 05:18 PM
takes getting use to, I second the 500 rds trial period. A collegue got a CZ-75 and I've shot it twice on lunch hour trips to the range. First time I swore I'd never buy one, I was shooting a sillouette at 7 yards and was barely keeping the rounds on the body. With my star an 25rds. I'll put one big hole (more or less) in the 10 ring. Anyway yesterday I shot it and was shooting it as well as my star B. I am now thinking hard about getting one instead of a BHP in January, I've gotten over the beretta kick. I had to wait getting a handgun until I was sure I wouldn't get a beretta. (the one I shot fit well, but shot lousy, might be cause it's a rental)

gc70
December 28, 2006, 05:24 PM
Certainly take a gun to the range more than once before deciding to get rid of it - sometimes I have a bad day with my favorite gun. If a gun was shooting all over the place, it might not survive the second trip to the range. If a gun is shooting/grouping consistently, but not to point of aim, it is probably a matter of me getting used to it or maybe a matter of sight adjustment.

Moving from a heavy 1911 with a crisp single-action trigger to a light polymer gun with a mushy, heavy trigger is particularly challenging. When I first started shooting polymer guns, I always shot low. It took a while for me to learn to control a heavy double-action trigger and not jerk the barrel downward during the trigger stroke.

CountGlockula
December 28, 2006, 05:32 PM
50 rounds.

hagar
December 28, 2006, 05:51 PM
None in my case. I have so many friends that raved about their 1911's, but when it came time to shoot them, they malfunctioned like crazy, could not hit the broadside of a barn with them, and I saw 45 bullets stuck in 2X4 target frames that a 9mm would just wizz through, that I never had the desire to own one.

LBTRS
December 28, 2006, 06:05 PM
I can normally tell before I get it to the range, the range just confirms my suspicions. I didn't even have to shoot a Glock to know they were not for me. I did end up purchasing several Glocks over the years and they never seem to make it to the range with me since there are so many better choices in the safe.

I can normally tell in the first range session if things are "right" with the gun.

Beatnik
December 28, 2006, 06:27 PM
I shot a PPK/S a couple weeks ago. I'd always liked the looks, and figured it would make a decent CCW.

Four rounds, hated it. Ended up massaging the web between my thumb and index finger.

I just bought a Steyr M9 yesterday. Without particularly trying, I put 40 rounds in the black at 10 yards, and then emptied 10 rounds all inside a bottle target in about 4 seconds. That one's a keeper, even if it is only SA.

Then there's the P38. It needs gunsmith work, it's got more muzzle flip than I think it should, but I'm hanging on to it. I still like shooting it.

Personally, I'm going to say use my rule: get another gun, and then watch yourself. If you never shoot this one, then dump it.

chris in va
December 28, 2006, 06:30 PM
2-3 range trips usually. If it's not 'fun', I'm not interested. The more entertaining something is, the more I want to shoot it, and the better I get with it.

The CZ 40p was NOT fun to shoot for me. 3 range trips and I was done.

I rented some sort of 1911 carry version (short barrel) and no way-no how was I buying one of those. Kicked like a :cuss: .

Shot badly with a highly recommended XD9 that I bought, found out the grip was too small for my hands. I couldn't even reliably disengage the grip safety without squeezing the hell out of it. I'm sure the XD45 is much better.

Clipper
December 28, 2006, 06:40 PM
It took one round to decide I wanted nothing to do with the Thompson-Center contender, one mag to pass on the 659 S&W, couple hundred to dump the Kimber Ultra Carry. One mag to fall in love with the Taurus PT-145, one handling at the counter to make the KT P3AT mine, and I ordered my MKII 10" bull SS without caring how it would feel, since that kind of accuracy would be worth making allowances for. ;)

BTW, the Ruger was fine, but Hogue grips made it perfect...

salvador31c
December 28, 2006, 06:48 PM
put some more rounds thru it, it can only get better right?:) i like to put 600-800 rounds thru a gun before making a decision about it, besides thats a nice gun if it turns out you dont like it you shouldnt take a loss on it. good luck

51Cards
December 28, 2006, 06:59 PM
It took about two shots to decide that I hated the KT. After that, it took about 50 rds to understand the thing (it's my only teeny-weeny gun :D ). Now, it has a permanent home --- but not on the range.

I'd tried a Colt Officer, a Kimber and a SA micro, so I knew a little what the Defender would be like, but lighter. I expected a challenge, but it became a labor of love. It sits upon my hip at this minute. I haven't had any problems with shooting it --- but I've had problems with it shooting. I knew this from early on. But something perverse made me obsess (read, "risk fingers, hands, and cash") until I got it ironed out.

So --- how many rounds? I have no idea. Sometimes, as practical as the decision needs to be, the decision process isn't that easy.

on the other hand, I have a perfectly good, wonderfully accurate, absolutely dependable XD-9/SC that could take a hike tomorrow, and I wouldn't miss it that hugely.

Go figure.

10-Ring
December 28, 2006, 07:00 PM
The 1911 IMO is an acquired taste. It took me several rounds before I realized hosw much I like'em.

MCgunner
December 28, 2006, 07:04 PM
I've yet to find the handgun I couldn't like for SOME reason or another or that I couldn't shoot relatively well with practice, including 1911s. For me to not like the gun, it's gotta be a true POS, inaccurate or won't run without problems or something.

I felt the same way about a Luger a friend wanted to sell to me. Fine guns both, just not for me.

You were looking at a P08 for CARRY or actual USE?????:what: :rolleyes: The P08 is a beautifully made gun. It is a machinist's work of art. It makes a 1911 look clumsy and stamped. It is, however, a gun to be owned and cherished for what it is, not something you actually would USE even if it fires 100 percent and is accurate. It's a work of gunmaking art and history, not a CCW carry gun.

I don't like Glocks for carry, either, for one reason, "safe action". Other than that, they're fine shootin' guns, good firearms. I could carry one safed out with an 8 lb trigger spring and that plastic insert that goes behind the trigger, but there are better guns for me out there.

I don't care much for 1911s because I had two that refused to fire anything I'd wanna carry in 'em. I'd want something much smaller and lighter for carry, anyway, so I don't have one anymore. But, that's just me. JMB ain't running out of worshippers anytime soon. I'm sure some of the higher dollar ones are fine shooting weapons. I ain't got the price of admission even if I wanted one, and I don't, nor do I wish to buy an affordable one again.

abarth
December 28, 2006, 07:13 PM
It took me almost a 1000 rounds and a year to realize my XD Subcompact is not for me, and thanks to the XD with the help of a 1911 I now also realize that polymer pistols are not for me.

SuperNaut
December 28, 2006, 07:19 PM
You were looking at a P08 for CARRY or actual USE????? The P08 is a beautifully made gun. It is a machinist's work of art. It makes a 1911 look clumsy and stamped. It is, however, a gun to be owned and cherished for what it is, not something you actually would USE even if it fires 100 percent and is accurate. It's a work of gunmaking art and history, not a CCW carry gun.

No, not for carry. I'm not a collector and he wanted more than I was willing to spend. I won't buy a gun that I can't shoot (use), just like I won't buy a guitar that I can't play. I'll leave the supply for the fetishists to put under glass.;) :)

f4t9r
December 28, 2006, 07:31 PM
I have made that decision right away on a couple guns. they just did not feel right or shoot very well. I have curbed that with age and know pretty much what I want now. I went with the Glock craze and could not get rid of them fast enough. After years of different guns I have come to love 1911 and rifles that do not kick the crap out of my bad shouder. I even hunt with 20 gauge.
Thats me, everyone is diff.

Novus Collectus
December 28, 2006, 07:38 PM
How many rounds do you fire to make a decision?

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Bought my first pistol other than a 1911. How many rounds do you fire before you conclude this pistol is not for me? One mag or one cylinder. If I find myself reloading it, then I must like something about it.

I have known I really liked a gun after firing just one or two rounds before though.

LBTRS
December 28, 2006, 08:25 PM
Clipper,

I need to find a good cheap gun that I wouldn't be too upset about losing to thieves if it was stolen...how is that taurus PT-145? I often don't carry a gun due to worrying about it being stolen when I have to lock it in the car in places where I can't carry. I would be very upset losing a $2000 1911 and this taurus might be the answer to my problem.

Walkalong
December 28, 2006, 08:54 PM
Bought my first pistol other than a 1911. How many rounds do you fire before you conclude this pistol is not for me?

If you are wondering it probably is not for you at this time. Try the rest and come back and get the best when you are ready. :neener:

Clipper
December 28, 2006, 09:19 PM
LBTRS,
I will tell you about the first 3 rounds fired from mine (it's a SS DAO version) and let you decide. I pull in to my shooting buddie's place and find him with another co-worker/shooter playing with a couple rifles. I whip out my new pistol and take ONE shot at a fresh target. My buddy takes ONE shot, and the other guy takes ONE shot. We find all 3 shots arranged around the bull in a 6" group...At 60 yards!! I was impressed, to say the least. Smooth trigger, polished feedramp, good 3-dot sights and very comfortable. I normally load with 185gr Winchester silvertip HPs, but have fired several different kinds and brands with zero failures of any kind...I take that back, I had one FTbang with WWB hardball, but with the second strike capability, I just pulled the trigger again and it fired.

I've become a big fan of Taurus lately. My buddy has a SS .22mag pump that is incredibly accurate with the Armscor ammo, and I really like his 5" SS .22lr 9-shot revolver (think I'm gonna pick up one of those myself).

Dienekes
December 28, 2006, 09:42 PM
Depends on whether the issue is compatability or reliability. If the former it usually shows its potential quickly and any desireable tweaks result in further improvement right away. If OTOH it isn't going to work out for me the first session is frustrating and it never gets better. This has been the case for so long that I now make up my mind fairly quickly and get it over with, either way.

Less rarely I have had a gun that I really liked and shot well, but had reliability issues. Fought with a P97 a while back and tried every trick in the book. Both Ruger and I gave up on the gun; I sent it back for the last time and they destroyed it with my permission and blessing. The replacement was consigned to a gun shop within 48 hours of receipt here. And that was the end of that.

Tends to make you appreciate the good ones more--like women.

51Cards
December 28, 2006, 10:29 PM
I rented some sort of 1911 carry version (short barrel) and no way-no how was I buying one of those. Kicked like a :cuss:

Funny, how these things get such different reactions!

Yeah, it's a kick --- but it's a gentle kick! :D

OTOH, shooting a 3" 1911 is like weight lifting. Afterwards, a 5" feels like a BB gun, and a 9 feels like a .22.

1911s are an acquired taste, and micro-1911s even more so. Mine is not the most sophisticated trick in my bag, but I shoot the best with it.

To each his own taste! :D

Baphomet
December 28, 2006, 10:53 PM
I pretty much know right away... say after shooting a full magazine. I knew the Berretta M96 in .40 wasn't for me but it took several hundred rounds before I could convince myself to give it up. I was glad when I did because I turned that money around and put it into my first .45ACP - which has been heaven since day one.

I knew I had (HAD!) to have a Sig 229 in .40 after two magazines. Actually it only took one, but that Marine was gentleman enough to let me shoot a second one on his way out of the range that day... Which only sank the point home. Subsequent range-rentals confirmed my original theory: this was a NEED. Like air or water.

tango3065
December 28, 2006, 11:00 PM
The CZ 40p was NOT fun to shoot for me. 3 range trips and I was done

I had the same experience, it was reliable, accurate but didn't do nothing for me but sting my trigger finger.


To the original poster, if you feel the gun doesn't do it for you trade it in, some say never get rid of a gun even if you trade it in but I would rather have another one in its place that I really liked.

LBTRS
December 29, 2006, 12:35 AM
Clipper,

Thanks, I'm going to go check out the Taurus tomorrow.

hemiram
December 29, 2006, 03:49 AM
The only ones I instantly disliked are the 1911 variants. Sonething doesn't feel right, it's like the grip is too deep. I could have had a really nice tuned up Springfield that a policeman friend of mine had for a great price.


He had gotten married and was cleaning out half his handguns and almost all his rifles to buy the new Mrs her first ever new car. He still had a lot of guns!
I did buy a S&W 28 from him, it was a great shooter, and was the nicest finished one I have ever seen. I stupidly sold it a few years ago to a friend for a price I couldn't refuse..3 times what I paid for it!

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