Putting optics on SKS carbines


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Levan9X19
December 29, 2006, 06:04 AM
Anyone got any experience on putting optics on SKS Russian carbine?

I have seen some models of see-thru steel scope mount, but I am hesitating because I donít think itís a good idea to put scope on the piece which is not permanently attached to the frame. So my question goes to people who have experience with such mounts or with the same models designed for AK family: did you noticed difference in POI (point of impact) after removing scope mounts for cleaning and then reattaching them again?
Or is it a good idea at all?
I simply donít want to do modofications which will make impossible to restore rifle quickly to its original configuration.

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jrfoxx
December 29, 2006, 10:29 AM
Both my sks's (Russian and a Chinese SKS-M) have new receiver covers with a mount permanntly attached to it.They allow use of the iron sights still, and I have not noticed any issues with holding zero when the cover is removed to clean, then put back on.(the covers on both of mine are REAL tight fits, its actually fairly difficult to get them back on, so that may be the reason they hold zero so well).Also,no permanant change is made as the old cover is stored away and the mount is on a new, aftermarket one.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b289/jrfoxx/sks-m.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b289/jrfoxx/sksoriginal.jpg

ZeSpectre
December 29, 2006, 10:41 AM
jrfoxx,
What stock is on that top SKS (the thumbhole one) I really like that one!

Levan9X19
December 29, 2006, 12:03 PM
assuming the cover of gas tube is original it must be hand made custom stock. one of the kind

Levan9X19
December 29, 2006, 12:05 PM
nice sks`s btw.

usmcdoc14
December 29, 2006, 01:16 PM
mine lost zero all the time, just shooting it would move it 1-2 inches at 100yards. I welded a new mount to the side :D
I would recomend either the "scout" type mounts that replace the front sight or the gas tube

DMK
December 29, 2006, 03:06 PM
I had a bolt cover scope mount on one of my SKS and as far as I can remember, it worked great. It had to be fitted to my rifle, so it was very tight. For some reason I sold it and I can't remember why. I don't remember having any problems with it.

I also used a fixed Choate scope mount (http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_page_detail.cfm?recordno=1&Product_CatalogID=2718&ProductNumber=18%2D08%2D02&ProductCode=22&ProductSubCodeID=160&NewProduct=0) on a Yugo 59/66 and it worked very well. It did require drilling and tapping holes in the side of the receiver, and a section of the stock had to be cut away for clearance but it allowed the use of the iron sights (had a Mojo rear peep) and allowed the cover to be easily removed for cleaning.

http://www.riflestock.com/images/Products/sks%20scope%20mount%202.jpg

DMK
December 29, 2006, 03:11 PM
jrfoxx,
What stock is on that top SKS (the thumbhole one) I really like that one!That's the original Chinese stock that came on the Norinco SKS-M (Mine's stamped SKS Sporter). That is one of the SKS models that takes AK mags.

jrfoxx
December 29, 2006, 03:17 PM
ZeSpectre-Believe it or not, that thumbholestock is what came from the factory.It's a Chinese Norinco "Sporter" and was originally made exactly as you see it (except for the scope).I've honetly never seen another one like it, but apparently others have, as that stock is decribed exactly on http://www.sksboards.com/forum/ in thier sticky on ID'ing different SKS D and M models.It's surprisingly ergonomic and comfortable.

ZeSpectre
December 29, 2006, 03:22 PM
That's really nice. Darn I was hoping to find something like that for my Norinco.

hueytaxi
December 29, 2006, 06:22 PM
II have seen one occasionally (thumbhole stock) at a gun show, but not in the last year. I also have one of these in my collection finished in semi-black and the stock is sanded much smoother than the others I have seen. I don't think this is original, but I purchased it supposedly NIB.

jrfoxx
December 29, 2006, 07:58 PM
hueytaxi-Do you have a pic of your thumbhole stock "Sporter" like mine? I'd be interseted to see what it looks like in black.Seems like that would be really nice looking.

Also, anyone have any suggestions on a good, safe way to remove the muzzlebrake on my Russian sks? My dad had put it on (it was his gun), and I want to take it off, then put the original receiver cover back on (without scope) to have as my nice example of a stock sks for my milsurp collection. (I have the "sporter" to play with).I can get the front sight pin out, but cannot get the brake to come off, and I'm trying not to scratch or damage the rifle most impotantly, but Id like to salvage the muzzlebrake also if possible (but I can live with IT getting scratched if it comes down to it). Thanks.

hueytaxi
December 29, 2006, 10:12 PM
Jrfoxx....here you arehttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/337987292_d8605a0527.jpg?v=0

hueytaxi
December 29, 2006, 10:30 PM
jrfoxx, I would imagine that during assembly of your Dad's weapon, the brake was heated in an oven while the barrel was cooled with ice or even dry ice prior to assembly. Cooling/warming provided the seal you are trying to break.

jrfoxx
December 29, 2006, 11:46 PM
hueytaxi--Thanks for posting the pic.I really like the darker stock.I may have to seriously think about staining mine.Also, thanks for the tip with the muzzlbrake, He was an engineer, so it would be very like him to come up with the idea , and do something just like that to ensure a good, tight fit (he was quite ana labout everything he did too :)).Maybe I'll have to try doing something like it to get it to loosen up a bit so I can get it off.Thanks.

Frog48
December 30, 2006, 01:47 AM
I put a 4x30 scope on my Yugo M59/66 SKS. I got the receiver cover with scope rail, scope, and rings, as a kit for about $60 from Cabelas.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/SigEpGrant/Outdoors/Guns/SKS1.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/SigEpGrant/Outdoors/Guns/SKS2.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/SigEpGrant/Outdoors/Guns/SKS3.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/SigEpGrant/Outdoors/Guns/SKS4.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/SigEpGrant/Outdoors/Guns/SKS5.jpg

jojosdad
December 30, 2006, 03:49 AM
Another option is a scout scope. I've got one on my Yugo, and it works real well.
I found out about here: http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2005/sksscoutscopemnt/index.asp
The website for the mount is: http://www.scoutscopes.com/

Nil
December 30, 2006, 04:13 AM
Instead of creating a new thread, I'll just ask this here: does anyone have any experience with the peep sights available for the SKS? I'm specifically thinking about the Tech Sights, Mojo, and Williams sights.

grimjaw
December 30, 2006, 01:27 PM
I've posted about this before so at the risk of being redundant, I've tried both TechSights and a scope on an SKS.

TechSights are a functional improvement over the standard open sights. Like most any peep sight, they make it easier to see the front post and target, and they extend the sight radius by several inches. For many SKSs, however, they are a permanent modification in that you have to alter the takedown lever for the receiver cover. They also make it slightly more cumbersome to field strip the rifle (not a big deal if it's just a range gun). I use them on two of my SKSs and they do help me hit more consistently, mostly because I find it hard to focus with the standard sights.

The only optic solution I've seen and liked is a PU type scope mount from a Mosin Nagant. The mount fits close to the same place as it would on a MN, side of receiver, and sits high enough to allow use of open sights (although probably not TechSights). It doesn't prevent normal field stripping, and you won't have to worry about losing zero unless you remove the scope/rail (not necessary).

I happened across a rifle that already had the rail, but someone had mounted a cheap set of rings and a scope. That setup didn't work for crap, but I've mounted standard PU type rings and scope (replicas) and they seem to be pretty solid. Stripper clip use is not impeded nor is shell ejection. It also looks more appropriate for that weapon and not like a pig in a dress, IMO, if that matters to you. I have not tried this at the range because it's the setup from my Mosin Nagant and I have far too much fun shooting that to constantly rezero it on my Mosin. The downsides are that it's heavy and can't be found for much cheaper than $250 new for the whole setup, mount/rail/scope.

A similar setup with a side/receiver mounted optic is the only way to go if you want a scope on an SKS, IMHO. Wouldn't have to be the PU type; it's possible to fit a different kind of of rail there. But they almost all will require drilling and tapping plus modification of the stock to fit. Also, most scopes will require a deflection shield over the ejection port.

Here's a shot of the original setup I bought it with (crap).

http://www.grimjaw.net/mig/albums/theboomgoesthere/longgun/chinese26_sks-2.jpg

How it looked with the PU scope.

http://www.grimjaw.net/mig/albums/theboomgoesthere/longgun/chinese26_sks-6.jpg
http://www.grimjaw.net/mig/albums/theboomgoesthere/longgun/chinese26_sks-4.jpg
http://www.grimjaw.net/mig/albums/theboomgoesthere/longgun/chinese26_sks-7.jpg

Not exactly center bore, but not off by nearly as much as some AK scopes, and no higher than the receiver cover mounts I've seen. The PU scope doesn't have much eye relief, but the short LOP on the SKS puts you right about where you need to be. The recoil isn't so much that you'll get poked in the eye.

YMMV.

jm

mainmech48
December 30, 2006, 05:01 PM
I put a setup from the old Keng's importer on my Chinese commercial T-56 way back when I bought it. The mount replaces the receiver cover and isn't see-through, but is exactly similar otherwise. The scope is 4X "Red Star" with a rather coarse duplex reticle. It's eye relief is short and critical, making placement something of a compromise. Optical quality is okay for general utility use, if nothing to get excited about. For about $40 complete (at the time) it wasn't a bad bargain, all-in-all.

The installation itself isn't difficult, but takes some care and patience for best results. I'd highly recommend getting some Prussian Blue or other layout fluid to aide in seeing where material needs to be removed, and a rubber or plastic-headed mallet.

Correctly done, the mount is quite solid, secure and retains 'zero' when disassembled for cleaning with negligable, if any, change.

Of the 'peep' options I've tried, the Tech works best for me. While it's more complicated than the Williams or Mojo rear blade replacements, the longer sight radius shrinks my groups considerably and it's aperture position suits me better. Paired with the Williams 'Fire Sight' front, it's a very practical and useful set-up.

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