Kel-Tec Sub-2000 vs. Hi-Point 995


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Juna
December 29, 2006, 12:57 PM
Which one and why? I like the folding aspect of the KT & the fact that it can take mags from other guns (e.g. Glock 33 rounder). I like the cost & warranty of the HP.

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Jackal
December 29, 2006, 01:22 PM
I guarantee that the Kel-Tec warranty is better than the HiPoint's. I have owned a Hi-Point carbine and, while it was plenty accurate and reliable, the cheek-slap was unbearable. Every time I pulled the trigger, my cheek was given a nice "SLAP!". I sold it, and am now in the market for a Kel-Tec, come next gun show.

yongxingfreesty
December 29, 2006, 01:24 PM
havent shot any of these, but based on looks......the kel tec wins.

Shadan7
December 29, 2006, 01:35 PM
The Sub2000 is a sweet little shooter. I got one a couple months ago, have a few hundred rounds downrange, and love it. Accurate as I am at 50 yards - and how many carbines will fit into a standard briefcase or pizza box? :evil:

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Manedwolf
December 29, 2006, 02:02 PM
The kel-tec's ability to fold up gives it far more utility. Plus it's REALLY accurate. I like mine a lot.

Oh, yeah, and you can pick your flavor of hi-cap mag to match your handgun, giving you the ability to swap.

Andrew S
December 29, 2006, 02:07 PM
I will be getting one of the Kel-Tecs so that it can share mags with my 229. If it wasn't for that feature I would get the HiPoint.

BryanP
December 29, 2006, 02:58 PM
I just wish Kel Tec would come out with a .45ACP version that takes XD-45 magazines. I'd be all over that.

cmidkiff
December 29, 2006, 03:24 PM
I just wish Kel Tec would come out with a .45ACP version that takes XD-45 magazines. I'd be all over that.

GREAT IDEA!

I'm in the market for an XD45 anyway... if I were able to get a Sub2000 to match, it'd be a done deal.

Wonder if anyone has recommended this to them yet?

50caliber123
December 29, 2006, 03:28 PM
kel-tec's can't shoot CCI Blazer through them, according to Keltec's website. Hi-points can and will shoot whatever you put through them

michiganfan
December 29, 2006, 03:38 PM
Never shot the hi point but I do have a kel tec. Love it. Goes to the range everytime I go.

Juna
December 29, 2006, 03:44 PM
What's a good price for a Sub-2000? I'd opt for the Glock version due to cheaper mags & possibility of 33 rounder. They don't make a CZ 75 version, so I'm out of luck there.

Jackal
December 29, 2006, 03:56 PM
They can be had wholesale for about $250 and usually retail around $300.

gaweidert
December 29, 2006, 04:19 PM
I own a Hi-Point 955 in 9mm. Fun and accurate little plinker. Always goes bang. Kel-Tec in my future too as I do own as SU-16A and it had been a good performer too.

Soybomb
December 29, 2006, 06:58 PM
kel-tec's can't shoot CCI Blazer through them, according to Keltec's website. Hi-points can and will shoot whatever you put through them
Keltec says that because the sub2000 is a blow back design and if the cartridge starts to extract before pressure has dropped an aluminum case can rupture where a brass case doesn't seem to. I would suspect that any blowback 9mm carbine would be vulnerable to that, even if the manufacturer doesn't give you the warning.

I have a sub2000 and honestly I don't think I'd buy another pistol caliber carbine again just because I'm not sure its all that useful. If you made me though I'd probably go with the 2000 for the magazine versatility and folding.

Kymasabe
December 29, 2006, 08:31 PM
I owned the Kel-Tec...was a great gun and good accuracy at 50 yards. Is it just me or do pistol rounds from a carbine sound different when flying downrange? You can almost hear them zipping thru the air.

ANyway, my K-T 9mm was super reliable, had the Glock 30 round mag, used to buy 9mm reloaded ammo in bulk from Lancer Custom Ammo and put thousands of rounds of reloads thru my K-T Sub2K before I got rid of it. Also makes a great hurricane bug-out gun as it fits in a bag or backpack or whatever you're carrying.

Jackal
December 29, 2006, 09:07 PM
I have a sub2000 and honestly I don't think I'd buy another pistol caliber carbine again

Wanna sell it?:)

rangerruck
December 29, 2006, 09:12 PM
the keltec was better, but now the hipoint is. the hipoint now has last shot bolt open, and with the atg stock, it is a heck of a lot more comfortable, and ergonomic. Its lonly drawback , at this point , is the terrible mags. I am surprised, that someone hasn't come along, and made some hicaps for them, yet.

rangerruck
December 29, 2006, 09:13 PM
only the mag interchange, makes the keltec better.

telomerase
December 29, 2006, 10:00 PM
the terrible mags.

Unreliable? Or just low-cap?

Fred Fuller
December 29, 2006, 11:03 PM
Have them both, prefer the KelTec hands down. Both are accurate enough and reliable enough and easy to operate but the KT takes normal capacity magazines that can be selected to match a particular pistol design so you don't have to buy magazines just for the carbine. Folding is a neat feature for a utility gun also. The KT is set up to have a factory optional accessory rail added easily for a white light attachment and really doesn't need any other add-ons for defensive use. For plinking etc. it's fine as is, and IMHO is well worth the difference in price.

lpl/nc

meef
December 30, 2006, 03:06 AM
The KelTec is the easy winner in my opinion.

Mine takes Glock 33 round mags and easily folds to fit in my brief case.

It's reliable, accurate, easy to shoot well and tons of fun.

What more could you ask? :)

johnny79
June 9, 2007, 02:55 AM
accuracy i like hi point, looks and quality keltec , i have them both kel tec fits anywere,hi point is accurate as hell 25 yards it's a killer bout inch apart groupings

pablo45
June 9, 2007, 02:58 AM
I would not rust hi-point. They ae to ne and too much like a jennings for me them. That is just my opinion.

kingpin008
June 9, 2007, 03:22 AM
I would not rust hi-point. They ae to ne and too much like a jennings for me them. That is just my opinion.

Uh, what? :scrutiny:

azhunter12
June 9, 2007, 03:57 AM
I would not rust hi-point. They ae to ne and too much like a jennings for me them. That is just my opinion.

English please.

mnrivrat
June 9, 2007, 05:44 AM
A few typing errors but you know what he is saying !

I have a 995 and have no problem with the Hi-Point. I think it is very much worth the price they sell for.

That said, I would like to get ahold of a Kel-Tec to handle and shoot as I believe I might like it better for the same reasons mentioned here. I just haven't had the opertunity yet.

Mannix
June 9, 2007, 06:01 AM
I would not trust hi-point. They are too new(?) and too much like a Jenning's for me (to trust) them. That is just my opinion.

I fixed it, I think.

kd7nqb
June 9, 2007, 06:11 AM
I am glad somebody else started this thread because I have this same dilemma. I am leaning towards the Kel-tec.

BillinNH
June 9, 2007, 09:04 AM
I voted for the KT but really wanted to vote for both. They are both excellent. The KT has more features, as noted above, but the HP has a better price point. Both are very accurate and reliable. If I had to have only one I would get the KT but ended up with both and I don't regret it. 9mm carbines are so much fun to shoot. Bring both to the range, your shooting buddies will be happy to plink away with whichever you're not shooting at the moment.

Bill

obxned
June 9, 2007, 10:05 AM
2 HiPoints for the price of 1 KelTec.

aaronrkelly
June 9, 2007, 10:21 AM
Depends on what YOU want it for. They are both good guns.

KelTec has better magazine options and its foldable - which is great if your wanting a trunk gun or it needs to be concealable. It does not have any way from the factory to attach any optics.

HiPoint use low capacity magazines and doesnt fold but it comes with everything necessary to mount a red dot or scope. It wouldnt be great to throw behind the seat of your truck, the KT would work better - but it would be fine in your trunk and it would be a great plinker with a red dot scope on it.

The HP carbines are good guns, almost anyone that has owned one (of which I do) will praise them. They are reliable, accurate and the warranty service is top-notch.

I dont (nor probably will I) own a HP handgun. Not because I think they are junk or unreliable but because their size and weight takes them out of the running for my uses.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/aaronsguns/All%20Guns/hipoint.jpg

Texfire
June 9, 2007, 12:01 PM
If they made a Sub 2000 that took High Power mags, I would buy it in a second. As it is, they don't have one that matches the mags for any of my current guns, and my interest is theoretical. I wanted a 9mm carbine for a long time, but never found one that was quite right, the MP5 clones were close but way too expensive for what they were. When I finally did get a 9mm carbine, it's was an AR upper that takes Sten mags. That said, I'd still be interested in a Sub 2000 if it took XD or High Power mags.

Tex

TCB in TN
June 9, 2007, 09:15 PM
I have the High point and both I and all of my family love to shoot it. It is accurate quick handling and goes bang every time. I do want one of the keltecs as I have a load of hi cap berretta mags that I would love to be able to use. If mag cap isn't an issue then get the HP, if it is then get the Keltec. Both are fugly as sin, and both shoot.

mp510
June 9, 2007, 09:38 PM
I would recommend a Ruger Pc-9, but selected Kel-Tec, since that was one of your options. Hi-Points are accurate weapons, but the QC is lacking. Many of them are great, reliable weapons- but I know that mine is a POS. Usually at least 1 or more failures to function per magazine, regardless of ammo, and regardless of the mag used. I actually like the shape and feel of the Hi-Point. The other problem is the screws that hold the weapon together have a tendency to come loose.

I don't have a Kel-tec and have never shot one. I do think it's novel that they fold up as they do, and I like the fact that if you buy a Glock compatible model, you can easily have 17 or 33 round (high quality) mags for little expense.

aaronrkelly
June 9, 2007, 09:52 PM
Hi-Points are accurate weapons, but the QC is lacking. Many of them are great, reliable weapons- but I know that mine is a POS. Usually at least 1 or more failures to function per magazine, regardless of ammo, and regardless of the mag used. I actually like the shape and feel of the Hi-Point. The other problem is the screws that hold the weapon together have a tendency to come loose.


Hi-Point has some of the best service I have ever heard of, have you tried calling them?

KHAN
June 9, 2007, 10:29 PM
I love my Sub2000, dead on accurate at 100yds. I did some mods and works even better.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb20/oddjob22/DSCN0122.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb20/oddjob22/DSCN0124-1.jpg

FlaXD
June 10, 2007, 01:17 AM
I pondered the choice as well (in .40 cal) and ended up getting a Storm. The KelTec was just too short for me to sight it without doing all kinds of neck contortions. If it had taken XD mags I might have learned to live with that though.

The HP was just too ugly and had no hicaps. Would I be displeased if someone gave me one? No, it is accurate and reliable - unlike their pistols.

dfaugh
June 10, 2007, 07:53 AM
I think both are good values for the money, considering the HP is 1/2 the price.

I love my HP, and its been utterly reliable for over 5000 rounds, with any kind of ammo I've ever shot (usuallly the cheapest stuff I can find!).

I'd like a KT, but don't really "need" one as much as I "need" other things for my collection, but may own one someday.

Geno
June 10, 2007, 08:06 AM
I vote for, and purchased the Hi-Point based on "point of rationality"...getting the most value for the least money. Everyone I have spoken with who has owned both says they are co-equals...quite simply no difference in performance. Looks, well, that it personal choice. There is something oddly attractive about the Hi-Point to me...kinda like my first girlfirend's freckles.

I statered this thread a while back, and requested why people did and did not buy the Hi-Point. It turned into a good, facts-based thread:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=260324&highlight=Hi-Point

Be sure look at the picture in post #63 of the thread. The Hi-Point can be made pretty darned attractive too. For me, it's all about the money. The Hi-Point simply costs less. That in no way, shapre or form means that the Kel-Tec is not excellent. Buy whichever you choose and you'll be happy.

Lashlarue
June 24, 2007, 06:24 PM
My hi-point, as shown cost less than the kel-tec, whose only cool feature was the foldability. did not like the location of the charge handle or the flimsy optics [extra cost] attachment.I have five mags, and the Ati laser. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/C5Sam/Laser995.jpg

Eightball
June 24, 2007, 07:06 PM
Personally, I'm thinking about the Kel-tec for a nice "under the seat"-style truck gun for my Jeep. Dang, it's hard to fit things in there otherwise!

evan price
June 25, 2007, 06:41 AM
KelTec does make a scope-mount replacement fore-end for the sub-rifle-2000; it has a spring-loaded mount so you can push the scope out of the way and still fold it up. I personally have been interested in a 9mm carbine for a while and liked the KT. But I am probably going to get a Ruger PC9 just because they are Ruger indestructible, and it seems nobody ever has any KTsub2K's in stock... Of course you can get three hi-points for the cost of a PC9...but the KT 9mm with Glock mags you can use 33 rounders... decisions, decisions...

markmc753
June 25, 2007, 08:27 AM
Accurate, reliable, and when I travel it folds up and slides right in my brief case between the computer and paper files..... I vote Keltec

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