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Diesel man
December 31, 2006, 12:59 PM
Post any mosin nagant rifles you have and tell me any stories about them
http://myspace-702.vo.llnwd.net/01148/20/72/1148682702_l.jpg
My Mosin Nagant m38 paid $165 for it

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TIMC
December 31, 2006, 01:47 PM
I bought my 91/30 a few years ago but had not put too many rounds through it because I just can't see iron sights too well anymore. I broke down and bought a PU scope and mount for it for $300, it is a reproduction but very nice optics. After mounting the scope I decided it needed a stock refinishing so I stripped it down and went with an ebony stain, it came out nice. I also threadded the barrel and added a Krinkov brake to it. For grins I put the inscription in Russian on the side, it says "Sleep well my friend"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/timc/Nagantsniperrefinished.jpg?t=1167586827
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/timc/NagantsniperSleepwellmyfriend.jpg?t=1167586530

dispatch55126
December 31, 2006, 02:12 PM
This is my MN 91/30. I got it this fall two weeks before deer season, put about 40 rounds through it at the range and on the first day of the season I got a head shot at 110 yds.

slzy
December 31, 2006, 03:24 PM
how is the brake working out?

Elkslayer
December 31, 2006, 03:32 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the attraction to these old Russian rifles?

SniperStraz
December 31, 2006, 03:36 PM
They run $80-$125. Can't beat that. Plus they're pretty accurate.

wooderson
December 31, 2006, 03:40 PM
Some small potential for the rifle having killed a Nazi?

ACORN
December 31, 2006, 03:51 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the attraction to these old Russian rifles?

Watch "The Enemy at The Gate"

Ian Sean
December 31, 2006, 04:07 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the attraction to these old Russian rifles?

There is a large surplus influx of them coming in the last few years, some in awesome condition (arsenal new for the most part) like Diesel man has, and some a little beat up. Prices are very affordable as was mentioned. I have seen them at $70.....real nice ones $125 on up.

Ammo is cheap and plentiful...and it is a BOOMER of a round, 7.62x54mm, especially in the carbine models.

Very nice looking piece Diesel man.

Diesel man
December 31, 2006, 04:34 PM
Ian sean thanks for appreciating my rifle
Anyways I want to see more mosin nagant pics

270Win
December 31, 2006, 04:43 PM
http://www.csee.umbc.edu/~evans/ZaytsevM38-1.gif

M38, re-arseneled, pristine bore (counter-bored), beautiful birch stock recently re-shellacked by me, good but not great blueing.

Shoots VERY well, especially for a carbine. At 100 yards, from bags, with Hungarian silvertip surplus ammo:

http://www.csee.umbc.edu/~evans/ZaytsevM38-Dec13-06-2.gif

Plus, those Russian rifles have loads of charisma. Mosinitis may be curable, but who would want to be cured?

I am currently on the hunt for a hex-receiver with a very good to excellent bore. I got the bug from my dad, who has a laminate 91/30.

bcray
December 31, 2006, 05:27 PM
Heres my M44. Shot it for the first time yesterday and really enjoyed it.
http://www.keithray.net/sites/nagant.jpg

Kymasabe
December 31, 2006, 05:47 PM
I bought this chinese type 53 Mosin carbine from the local pawn shop for $40, was badly Bubba'd. Someone had stripped the varnish off the gun to bare wood and gave it a white stain and polyurethane. Front bayo mount was cut off and cleaning rod was missing. Also, they had poorly added an inch to the buttstock. Luckily the woodglue holding the stock extension was weak, came right off, I put the steel plate back on, stripped the gun and restained, then sealed with a mixture of 1/3rd boiled linseed oil, 1/3rd turpentine, and 1/3rd beeswax, warmed over a flameless heat, mixed, let to cool into a paste, then hand rubbed into the stock. The bore looked like a sewer pipe and continual cleaning did little to clean it until I used foaming bore cleaners over and over and cut a towel into strips, soaked in Shooters Choice cleaner and puled thru the barrel, left in overnight, wet, to soak and loosen years of grime. Now the bore is shiny and she's a pretty good shooter. I've owned over a dozen Mosins and this one has the best trigger I've ever shot (in a Mosin).
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/Kymasabe/mosin003.jpg

Cosmoline
December 31, 2006, 06:00 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the attraction to these old Russian rifles?

Well for one thing, they're not all Russian. There are Mosins from a dozen nations, including the United States and France. The Finns are among the most prized and the most accurate. I like Mosins in general because the design is both simple and incredibly strong. The safety is solid enough to allow cocked-and-locked travel on the trails. And they fit me better than other rifles.

Tikka M-91 with spruce hens:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/GregShedwithGrouse.jpg

1970 M-39 below M-28/30:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/duo.jpg

Tikka M-30 w/ classic potbelly stock and characteristic pine tar coating:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/M-30.jpg

Peter the Great M-91

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/M-91.jpg

1970 M-39:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/1970.jpg

Tikka M-30 w/ Darrel's mount and 2x Leopold:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/Aquilonia5.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/Aquilonia3.jpg

M-44 with quick release:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/quickrelease.jpg

1937 91/30, rearsenaled with nice composite stock:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/1937-1-1.jpg

grimjaw
December 31, 2006, 06:23 PM
I'm going to one-up 270Win. :p

A somewhat rare 1945 non-counterbored Izhevsk M38 in excellent condition with correct stock, found at one of the local gun shops and OTD for less than $120. The rifling isn't trashed, and it shoots very well. I suspect it's been refurbed, but I don't know what they fixed. Heck, the bluing even looks good (for a Mosin).

http://www.grimjaw.net/mig/albums/theboomgoesthere/longgun/russian_mosin38_1945-1.jpg
http://www.grimjaw.net/mig/albums/theboomgoesthere/longgun/russian_mosin38_1945-4.jpg

jm

TIMC
December 31, 2006, 07:10 PM
how is the brake working out?

I didn't expect much out of it when I installed it. I already had everything I needed to thread the barrel so I bought the brake and said what the heck. I was actually supprised because it did tame some of the recoil, not as much as a conventional muzzle brake but it did reduce it some. the most significant improvement was in muzzle rise, that was improved a great deal. I guess that comes from the 2 top ports.
I can't say if it improved accuracy because I never shot it much until I nstalled everything. I cans say I am getting 1" 3 shot groups at 100 yards with hand loads and 180 grain .308 bullets. I may try some 125 grain .311 bullets to see if I can pull the groups a little tighter.

270Win
December 31, 2006, 07:40 PM
Grimjaw, nice!! :D

Don't Tread On Me
December 31, 2006, 07:50 PM
Where do I find an unissued/rearsenaled M38?

mrmeval
December 31, 2006, 07:56 PM
I bought two M44's from Interordinance for $175 shipped. There was some syncronization issue between the website and my calling so they were 9 dollars more than the website. I caught that after I'd gotten the rifles and read the invoice. I mentioned it to a sales lady and she offered to take the $18 off my order.

It looks as if they were made recently. The bluing is a deep polished black. There are a few areas where you cannot help but to remove bluing during operation and none is missing. I paid extra for the laminated stock and it's worth it. It fires 7.62x54R which is about matches .30-06. I can get the ammo for what I recall the AK/SKS ammo was going for in the 90s. I wish I could feel this one had killed a Nazi but these were made in 1945 and 1948.

I will be getting a couple 91/30s from Interordinance. A 30 dollar C&R has saved me it's cost with the first firearm I purchased on it, now I'm up to 4 and the money I've saved can buy another gun or two.

More guns is good. :evil:

DMK
December 31, 2006, 09:02 PM
Although technically, it's not a Mosin-Nagant, the rifle on the bottom is a Polish wz48 22LR training rifle supposedly used to train soldiers marksmanship before giving them M44 carbines. I came across this rifle in a rack among some sporters in a gunshow. At that point, I'd never heard of a wz48, but I was very intrigued by it's similarity to my Mosin carbines. When I asked the seller about it, he had no idea what it was. I moved on a while, then went back and made an offer on "that single shot 22". Needless to say, I got a good deal. It's very solid and heavy for a 22, has sights graduated for 25, 50 and 100 meters, and shoots very well.

The top rifle is a 91/59 carbine. This is a 91/30 that was cut down to carbine length by the Russians then stored for a WWIII that never came. It's pretty much similar to a 1938 carbine with some minor differences (http://home.mchsi.com/~davidkoch/carbines/).

While most Mosins are from WWII history, these two ooze cold war mystique (like the Chinese type 53).

http://home.mchsi.com/~davidkoch/carbines/Carbines03.JPG
Russian 91/59 carbine on top, Polish wz48 22LR trainer on the bottom

slzy
December 31, 2006, 10:01 PM
thanks,TIMC,on the brake.worked good i think. The Attraction? full power centerfire,variety of ammo at many price levels,good way to practice yer technique without spending a fortune ,adequate number of accessories,combat proven,good bayonet performance when needed,hex receiver has distinctive archeticture,collectable,etc.

270Win
December 31, 2006, 10:12 PM
Don't Tread On Me -

Get lucky! Seriously, I've never seen unissued M38s specifically offered as such on any website or at any gunshow. You just have to have the luck of the draw.

They are VERY difficult to find with both good bores AND un-counterbored, from what I've discerned in the last couple months after acquiring my own M38. If you have one, you usually don't have the other. When they re-arsenaled the M38s, they tended to recut the rifling and counterbore them. All the ones I've seen without counterbores have been COMPLETELY shot out - dark, dark pitted bores, crown severely nicked, etc.

english kanigit
December 31, 2006, 10:21 PM
Heh, I love these threads...

http://www.PhotoServer.us/is.php?i=26153&img=Mosin-bayo-reco.jpg

http://www.PhotoServer.us/is.php?i=33936&img=Brian-mosin.jpg

Both are of my buddy Brian. Sadly there are few good pictures of me. I am the better cameraman so if I want any pics at all, I get to take them. Sacrifices must be made...

ek

schrader
December 31, 2006, 10:42 PM
My brother shooting his 7.62 x 54R
I have one just like it but I was busy shooting the picture
Got them a few years back for about $85 each
One thing we have problems with (both rifles) is stuck cases with hot loads
Itís always the painted sliver tipped surplus stuff that gives us trouble
I have read that it can be caused from a small amount of cosmoline left in the chamber

I guess I should try cleaning the chamber someday
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/schraderrl/P1000800.jpg

Davo
December 31, 2006, 10:48 PM
Heres my 43 izzy 91/30 (still need to figure out how to decrease the size of a pic)
Its a great shooter, and kicks alot. I just need to get that front sight a little taller.

mrmeval
December 31, 2006, 11:04 PM
You do have to upload your picture from your hard drive to them but it's just a few clicks and it's done. Then download it back to your PC. Pick the 600 option, it seems to be best.

http://www.shrinkpictures.com/

jrfoxx
January 1, 2007, 07:55 AM
This was the second rifle I ever bought myself.Got it from Big 5 when I was just starting to get back into guns.It was pretty beat up cosmetically, but the bore was REAL nice.It was also the first gun I ever refinished.Completely sanded, steamed, and stained the stock, and completely stripped and re-blued.It got me hooked on milsurps, especially really cheap, beat up one's I could enjoy the work of refinishing.I think it came out pretty good for a first attempt at this, especially considering what it looked like before I got to it.

Russian M44, 1945 mfg.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b289/jrfoxx/M44refinished.jpg

armoredman
January 1, 2007, 10:28 AM
1920 hex recievered Izzy 91/30, with target from 100 yards, with handloads.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/mosintarget102006.jpg

1943 Izzy M38, in M44 stock, counterbored, wouldn't trade it for a Finn, was a gift. Will do 3 inches at 100 yards with Wolf, haven't tried it on handloads yet.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/MosinKitty.jpg

My first firearms related picture that anyone liked, same M38, taken almost by accident, when that was the only rifle I owned. Yes, that's a cheap sissie pad...:neener:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/8584990-R1-050-23A.jpg

Deer Hunter
January 1, 2007, 12:34 PM
Armoredman,

I really love that last pictures, but the recoil pad ruins it for me! :neener:

Ditchtiger
January 1, 2007, 01:00 PM
Just got my 3rd. Polish M44 yesterday, $90. and a free background check! Bought my first M38 last week, $79. Was just way to nice to be left on a pawn shop gunrack. Pictures coming.

Cosmoline
January 1, 2007, 09:30 PM
I'll one up you. Here are some Mosin-Nagant movie clips.

This some from the climactic battles in the epic "Talvisota" featuring everything from 91/30's to the famous Finnish 28/30's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQXi04jKdmc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozgqNJOUImM

And on the other side of the planet, Mosins in the Korean War, scenes from Taegukgi where the S Koreans were on their last legs before the US came in, some good Mosin vs. Garand action about half way through this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRYw1EUM7uo&mode=related&search=

A fan vid from the as-yet-unreleased-in-the-US "Penal Battalion":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0mD8TMASks

And everybody's favorite Mosin sequence, five for five and a smoke after:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lzfeziRdzQ

The Real Hawkeye
January 1, 2007, 10:31 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the attraction to these old Russian rifles?They're rugged, reliable, accurate, effective, handy and you don't worry about scratching them up because they're also cheap as the day is long.

Elkslayer
January 1, 2007, 11:39 PM
Thank folks, now that you have upped my limited knowledge on MN rifles, tell me what my neighbor has for sale.

It is a Mosin nagent according to the pics you guys are posting.

It has a hammer and sickle in what looks to be olive branches. This mark is just behind the rear sight on top of the chamber.

Below the hammer and sickle also over the chamber is 1948 and what looks like a "r".

I just cleaned this rifle (while watching Bosie State kick Oklahoma's butt in the first half!!!). The bbl had quite a bit of cosmoline in it, the bolt did too. Once I got it all cleaned up and the bolt re-assembled I checked out the bore. It looks brand new. Bright, shiny, and the rifleing looks sharp.

He is asking $70.

Where can I find ammo if I purchase this? What does ammo cost?

Thanks!

40mmHEDP
January 1, 2007, 11:56 PM
http://www.mcmlog.com/troy/images/9130_001_tn.jpg (http://www.mcmlog.com/troy/images/9130_001.jpg)

http://www.mcmlog.com/troy/images/9130_002_tn.jpg (http://www.mcmlog.com/troy/images/9130_002.jpg)

270Win
January 2, 2007, 12:00 AM
Elkslayer...

Go for it! Surplus 7.62x54R is EVERYWHERE, and costs roughly $60-80 for ~800 rounds. My favorite is Hungarian light ball (silvertip) at roughly $44.00 for every 440 rounds.

The hammer and sickle is simply a Soviet marking. Here is a guide to other Mosin markings. (http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks01.htm)

The "r" looking thing is the Cyrillic gamma, which stands for the Russian word "god" which means Year. So yours dates to 1948.

Happy shooting!

Mauserguy
January 2, 2007, 12:08 AM
"Pardon my ignorance, but what is the attraction to these old Russian rifles?"

Well, for starters they beat the Nazis.
Mauserguy

R.W.Dale
January 2, 2007, 01:00 AM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/HPIM0877.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/HPIM0878.jpg

Don't Tread On Me
January 2, 2007, 01:21 AM
270win, thanks for the info. Some posts gave me the impression that there are excellent grade M38's out there. I see most of the nice ones on the net have been refinished and reblued.

I'm no milsurp guru by far. That's why I ask.

MikeWSC
January 2, 2007, 10:14 PM
Some pics of my M-44 I refinished. Shoots pretty good too.

Cacique500
January 3, 2007, 10:59 AM
Here's the little gem of my collection:

http://1911pistolgrips.com/img/miscwebpics/tikka_p.jpg

And Cosmoline, if you ever want to sell your 1970 M39 let me know ;) ...Beautiful wood on that thing!

Cousin Mike
January 10, 2007, 12:14 PM
Had to revive this one... I've been wanting to post a pic of my M44 for over a week now. My 1944 Izzy w/ Hungarian 180 gr. AP heavy ball. :D

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8358/m44reditedeu7.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7841/m442ehf5.jpg

Just shot it for the first time this past weekend w/some Winchester 180's. OMG! I think I'll be looking into getting my C&R soon. :evil:

MJ
January 10, 2007, 12:39 PM
Top from Ellison's and the btm from Navy. The first batch in the country.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/bkt030.jpg
:cool:

Yugo5966
January 10, 2007, 12:50 PM
I recently bought a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and have been having problems with the bolt sticking. I've read all of the fixes but my bolt will stick without firing it. I will dry fire the rifle and try to cycle the bolt but it is either very difficult or won't at all. Can anyone give me an idea of what I'm dealing with here?

Thanks...

Low Key
January 10, 2007, 01:05 PM
Iíll post pics later, but for now hereís another question for you guys. I have a Mosin M91, manufactured at Tula in 1897, (Iíll post pics of the marks if I can get a good shot of them), the gun itself is in good shape and shoots good but the stock is in pretty rough shape finish wise.

Do I refinish the stock or not? Part of me says ďdonít do it stupid!Ē but another part of me says the wood could look so much better with some sanding and new stain and finishing. Because the original stock is so rough Iíve currently got her stocked with one of those plastic aftermarkets, but I can switch back to the real one with just the loosening of a few screws.

So what say you all? Would I be ruining any collector value or does it just come down to personal preference? I have a great deal of respect for old rifles so Iíve done nothing irreversible to the old girl.

bvchurch
January 10, 2007, 01:53 PM
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1037/copyofimg1355cg1.th.jpg (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=copyofimg1355cg1.jpg)
http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=copyofimg1355cg1.jpg

1943 M38, 1945 M44, all s/n's match.

@Yugo5966 My guess is there is still some cosmoline inside the chamber area and if you were firing lacquered ammunition these, along with the heat can cause the sticky bolt you are describing. I would just do a full cleaning with a wire brush and see if that helps. I know before taking my M38 and M44 out for the first time I cleaned them both.

Cosmoline
January 10, 2007, 03:10 PM
Do I refinish the stock or not?

If you want to preserve value, leave it as is. That said, I'm not a big fan of letting wood remain unprotected or in placing great historical importance on filth, industrial greases and skin oil. The hardwood used on these rifles came from forests that don't exist anymore, and IMHO it's worthy of protection. You'll probably find that the Russian wood is a light color and it actually looks pretty good cleaned up.

nootimus
January 10, 2007, 03:29 PM
Sold the 91/30 laminate. Not sure why. One M38 (1944) in M44 laminate stock. Really nice condition (rearsenaled), and another 91/30. 91/30 is a 1937 Izzy, beat to heck with average bore.

B yond
January 11, 2007, 08:13 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=44710&d=1158000974

I don't want to hear about how horrible I am for sporterizing or bubba-izing or whatever else you want to call it. :evil:

Also, not to dredge up old threads, but there was a very good Mosin picture thread.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=220809&highlight=show+mosin

MJ
January 11, 2007, 09:08 PM
I'm going to try one of mine. Never seems to be enough time.:uhoh:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/bkt022.jpg

;)

mattw
January 11, 2007, 09:18 PM
I got a 91/30 a while back. Probably about 5 years ago. I shot it once but was unable to get a good idea of how it grouped because trying to use the sights was more like rolling dice. A chunk was taken out of the rear U notch, which wasn't that hard to compensate for, and the front sight was horribly bent and then restraightened. It shot 12 inches low and 4 inches left at about 75 yards (as faras I could tell anyway).

The bolt feels a little sloppy but i think the barrel and sights is really what is holding my rifle back from being a decent shooter. The bore is very dark and crappy looking.

After thinking about having it rebarreled and have new sights put on, I have decided just to get another... it would be cheaper.

I don't feel bad about it though, my dad bought my current mosin for me for $89 on my 15th birthday. I'll just hang it on the wall or something.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/mdw1016/MVC-059F.jpg

mrmeval
January 12, 2007, 03:00 AM
They've been making bubba's out of German rifles for what, nearly a hundred years and the cost of originals is still too low. Bubba more guns! Every gun you bubba is a penny more on the value of MINE. I expect you to bubba thousands!

BWA HA! HA! HA!

:evil:

4fingermick
January 12, 2007, 04:43 AM
I have a 1917 Remington in very original condition, I'd take a pic of it, but I'd need a wide angle lens to get it all in. I'm 6'3" tall and it comes up to my chest!

crazed_ss
January 12, 2007, 07:04 AM
Only cost 74 bucks at Big 5 Sporting Goods!

http://members.cox.net/qsmumin/guns/mosin.jpg

benEzra
January 12, 2007, 11:05 AM
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/uploads/1152301575/gallery_260_23_40022.jpg

Finn M39 with a rich history.

Started out as a hex-receiver Russian M1891 manufactured in Izhevsk for the Imperial Russian army in 1905; the proof mark on the receiver is the imperial crest of the czar (double headed eagle). The rifle may well have seen some action in World War I, given the extreme rifle shortages the Russian army was facing at the time.

The rifle ended up in Finland when the Finns broke away from Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution, was issued to the Finnish Army, and likely saw a great deal of action during the Winter War 1939-1940. When the Finns got some breathing room, the rifle was upgraded to M39 status in 1942 at the Finnish VKT arsenal in Jyvaskyla, where it received a fine Finn barrel, a new stock, and Finn sights graduated from 150 meters to 2.0 kilometers. It likely saw additional action against both the Soviets and the Nazis before the war was over. Possibly during the war, an artistic Finnish soldier delicately carved the initials "E.T." into the rear sight base (under the sight arm), where they wouldn't easily be seen by casual inspection. At some point after the war, the rifle was retired and placed into storage as part of the Finnish Army's reserve.

During the mid-1990's, Finland allowed many of its older bolt-action rifles to be sold to collectors in other nations. This particulary M39 was imported into the U.S. by Century Arms, and ended up at a small gun shop in Florida that caters to history buffs (Uber's, in Pensacola, FWIW), which is how I came to purchase it.

The rifle is 101 years old this year (well, except for the barrel and stock, which are only 64), and it can still shoot the center out of a playing card at 100 yards with the right ammunition.

It's not worth a lot from a financial standpoint, but it's a textbook of Russian and Finnish history, and played a part in some of the most important historical events of the twentieth century. I wish I could find out to whom it was issued, and who "E.T." was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the attraction to these old Russian rifles?
For me, history. (See above.)

Also value for the money.

Hydramatic
January 13, 2007, 03:35 AM
My Baikal Spartan and M44 travel together to the range almost every trip. My Mosin-Nagant is a 1953 Hungarian M44. Every part matches numbers minus the bolt(which is Hungarian, but has a different serial #). I bought it at Cabelas for around $170 as my first rifle. The bore was filthy, but even then I could see that the rifling was in superb condition. Headspace was good too. After some thorough cleaning, it finally started to look good. That is the original finish, which is in decent shape for as old as this gun is. Typical wear around the grip, but the majority of the finish is pristine. Blueing is perfect other than the friction points on the receiver. This "cheap old gun" has been my baby for the past few months, and I'm proud to say that for as old as it is, it STILL had less rust when I got it than the Spartan.lol. Anyway, the carbine does groups about three inches in diameter at 50yds with Silver Bear 203gr soft points, which it seems to like better than Wolf or Czech mil-surp. I'm sure I could do better if I get some more practice with it. Only 80 rounds so far. Anyway...thought I'd share.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/madnessmercury/DSC00163.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/madnessmercury/DSC01531.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/madnessmercury/DSC01532.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/madnessmercury/DSC01535.jpg

Low Key
January 14, 2007, 12:06 AM
My Russian M91 made at Tula in 1897.

grimjaw
January 14, 2007, 02:15 AM
http://grimjaw.net/mig/albums/theboomgoesthere/longgun/mosinlineup_2455.jpg

Hoppy590
January 14, 2007, 02:29 AM
Gentlemen. may i introduce you to the Finnish TaK 85. Any random one of these rifles is probibly the oldest individual rifle in active service.

these rifles are made on ORIGINAL Mosin Nagant recievers. its legend some date back to original 1891's.

from the finish military website

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=51222&stc=1&d=1168755910

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=51223&stc=1&d=1168755982
sorry cant get it in english
http://www.mil.fi./maavoimat/kalustoesittely/index.dsp?level=64&equipment=46

Hoppy590
January 14, 2007, 02:30 AM
oh, grimjaw. got that pic in background size? i like it :D

grimjaw
January 14, 2007, 02:49 AM
Hoppy, yah I whipped that up. Couldn't find a way to PM you with it, so I attached it.

jm

Dionysusigma
January 14, 2007, 03:13 AM
GrimJaw, if you ever need any extra benefactors for your will, I humbly (well, not so much) submit myself. :D :p

Hoppy590
January 14, 2007, 01:53 PM
awesome, thanks. your rifles just replaced my car as the background :evil:

theyre so pretty

armoredman
January 14, 2007, 02:47 PM
Grimjaw, that's a VERY cool picture!:cool:

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