[Bob R]

And he is down here in Colorado Springs, please come get him brfore he has a heart attack, or fills his britches with an unmentionable waste product.

PACKING HEAT


More guns on the street don’t make folks feel safer



My letter involves the decision to make guns legal citywide("Concealed guns OK in parks, City Hall," The Gazette, May 20). Is this really necessary? Just because some people are scared, do they have the right to make other people scared? The law says the people carrying the guns can’t show them in a menacing way. How is that classified? If I see the gun, is that menacing? If a person says he wants to shoot me but no gun is shown, is that menacing? Or is it only when the gun is pointed at my face? How good of an idea is it to allow somebody to go to a bar, get completely tanked, get in an argument and shoot someone? Councilman Tom Gallagher said, "I have no reason to fear law-abiding citizens, and criminals don’t obey the law". This implies that people are born criminals. I fear anyone with the power to kill, and it only takes one opportunity to turn from a law-abiding citizen to a criminal. It’s only a matter of time before some innocents get shot.

Geoff Kramer

Colorado Springs

http://www.gazette.com/secdisplay.php?section=12



Please come get him 'cause he is scared!

bob

[Steve Smith]

Wonder if he lives on Cucharras Street?


Wonder if he knows our county already had over 5K CHP holders?

[TarpleyG]

It’s only a matter of time before some innocents get shot.
Maybe someone should notify this numbnut that this has never occured anywhere else so why would it be any different there.

GT

[Coronach]

I fear anyone with the power to kill, and it only takes one opportunity to turn from a law-abiding citizen to a criminal.Then you should be very afraid, because nearly everyone you meet has the power to kill you. Take a nice, innocuous object like an ink pen and drive it through someone's eyeball...fatal? Quite probably.

Change your underwear, get a grip on yourself, and move on. :rolleyes:

Mike

[scottgun]

Just because some people are scared, do they have the right to make other people scared?

I'm not scared, I'm prepared.

[Freightman]

Same thing was said in the paper when Texas, Oaklahoma,ect passed there CCL aint happned.
He has never had five thuggs come in suround you and back down when they realized that you had a gun, don't think they would have left with me asking nicely.
Work in a high crime area with a goodly amt of money and see if you feel that it is wrong to protect yourself!
I had a friend who was working the night shift for a convinence store about four years back, the co. said that you can't have a gun on there property well no one told the BG that. They also said if you give them what they want you will be OK. Well a guy came in demanded the money which he recieved, then he shot my friend dead leaving a wife and three children without him.
Sorry but I will carry concealed (that is the word) and if I never need it no one will ever know the difference, if I do need it I had rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. By the way I was one of the six at my friend funeral.

[Kharn]

Bob R:
Denverites didnt lose one, you let him escape by not monitoring the Colorado/Denver border. Borrow a paddy-wagon and give him a ride home. :neener:

Kharn

[El Tejon]

So, this mommie believes Red police should be disarmed?:confused:

[Erik]

Nah, you can keep him.

[Trisha]

Living in the Springs, he must really quiver when he sees the number of martial arts schools there - and realizes there are human deadly weapons!

At least he likely won't be visiting Park County soon, as nearly every home here has firearms; and it's been delightfully gun-friendly for some time (a good thing, too, with all these tourists showing up). Locals don't use firearms against each other, either - and working with Rescue I know!

Have to admit, though, I love this guy's statement that demands all who are unarmed are innocents (bleating away as they graze?). I don't doubt but such a concept makes sense to him , but that defies reality. . .

Trisha

[general]

Rampant Hoplophobia alert!
I fear anyone with the power to kill, and it only takes one opportunity to turn from a law-abiding citizen to a criminal. It’s only a matter of time before some innocents get shot.
Lets see now....
All consuming fear... check
Overpowering sense of being helpless... check
Helpless to overcome all consuming fear.... check
This guy should consult a mental health professional.
Just how does one operate in a constant state of fear and paranoia?
(Must be a Dem.):neener:
Get him outta here. I have to LIVE here.

[Standing Wolf]

I fear anyone with the power to kill, and it only takes one opportunity to turn from a law-abiding citizen to a criminal.

Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites—and irredeemable 'fraidy cats into the bargain.

[BB93YJ]

Send him to England, he'd feel quite safe in London I bet.:rolleyes:

[Crimper-D]

"I Fear"
Raised in a single parent home I betcha. :rolleyes:
"Son-of-Soccermom" Squeaks up!:cuss: :neener:

[capt_happypants]

Yep, we've got another bed-wetting, simpering, girly-man in our midst. If this quivering bowl of protoplasm ever found himself in Park "What do you mean, you don't have a gun?!" County, I do believe he'd develop a severe case of the vapors.

I don't even want to know how he'd react if he ever ran into Trish.

[Bruce H]

Ywits like this just about make me want to make them dig their own hole. There is no reason for them to face the rest of their terror filled lives in their present mental state. They are the ones that will come unglued at the most inopportune moment.

[blades67]

You'll smell his reaction before you'll see his reaction.

[Feanaro]

Everyone has the power to kill someone else. It's not hard. Twist their neck, slam their nose hard upwards, take anything with a point and stab the other person, use a weighty object. The list can go on and on. If he is so afraid of law abiding citizens with LEGAL weapons then he must be crapping his pants over the criminals with illegal ones.

And as long as I do nothing to you I have a right to make you scared. It's not my fault you haven't got a pair. When people are born they should make them memorize the following. "Life is not fair, life is not safe and life may not be fun sometimes. You might be scared by others, you might be offended. Shaddup, get over it and move on"

[Freightman]

Surely this "male" expected to get hammered by posting "THAT" on this board!
Surely he is or was just pulling our legs! If not I would wonder what he would do if a BG broke into his home and raped his wife or daughter and made him watch?" say they had bad childhoods" that seems to be the liberal answer for all the bad that happnes.
When will they get it into there heads that evil exists and you had better be able to resist or become subject to the evil.
He shouldn't be made fun of! insteed he should be pitited!

[Steve Smith]

PACKING HEAT




No worry, firearms are not allowed in bars



Nobody can go and have a drink in a licensed bar while they are in possession of a firearm and that includes those with concealed-carry permits ("More guns on the street don’t make folks feel safer," Letters , May 27). If you do, you get arrested, fined, jail time and your permit is forfeit forever, as it is a felony.

As to Geoff Kramer not wanting to be a victim of a law-abiding CCW holder, his fears are completely misplaced. The criminals who ignore the law are the ones that we all need be cautious of, not law-abiding citizens. Statistics prove that where guns are in the hands of the law-abiding citizens, crime goes down, perhaps because criminals hesitate to prey on victims who may fight back.

City Councilman Tom Gallagher was correct in his statement of having no fear of law-abiding citizens.

William H. Bonnar

Cañon City

[Freightman]

I am way past the age to go to any bar anyhow. I got smart in the last 50 years!

[general]

Hopefully I am on a roll.. the R.M. News printed a letter from me yesterday.. so maybe the Gazette will print this one...
Gazette Letters to the Editor (<gtop@gazette.com>)
Regarding Geoff Kramer's Letter to the Editor on May 27th 2003.

I feel must comment on each of Mr. Kramer’s points. Just because some people are scared of firearms, do they have the right to restrict others rights to self-defense? Just because I am afraid of what someone might say, do I have the right to restrict their First Amendment right to express themselves?

The law says people carrying the guns can't show them in a menacing way. That is correct, the law-abiding CCW permit holder has gone through a stringent application process and would in no way want to jeopardize his or her lawfully obtained CCW permit. Only the law breaking murders and rapists will point a gun in his face for "no reason" other than to rob, rape or murder him.

I don't believe it is a good idea to "allow" someone to go to a bar, get completely tanked and shoot someone. Yet he fears this will be the first thing a CCW permit holder will do? People do this everyday of the year, get drunk and kill someone. With a firearm or behind the wheel of an automobile, but I know of no such incident involving a CCW permit holder of which there were over 5,000 in El Paso County before SB 24 and SB 25 passed.

I fail to see any logic in his next statement, that because Councilman Tom Gallagher does not fear the law-abiding and criminals don't obey the law, somehow this implies that people are born criminals. This makes no sense to me. Because Mr. Gallagher uses logic rather than emotion in deciding whom to fear and why, criminals are magically born as such?

If Mr. Kramer truly fears anyone with the power to kill, he must live in a constant state of fear. All humans have the power to kill, with a hammer, knife or automobile, and just like any other tool, the firearm requires an operator to function. This runs contrary to a hoplophobes belief that objects have intent. And it is intent that turns the law-abiding into the law breaking.

Cordially,
:what: :neener: :D
What do 'ya think?

[Dr.Rob]

I'd like to point out that while its perfectly LEGAL to be in a bar with a CCW in Colorado its NOT Legal to be INTOXICATED while carrying a CCW.

The law is a bit vague on this point, and likely intentionally so to keep our brothers in blue from commiting a crime by having an armed after shift beer.

Not all of us Denverites are the simpering type.

Take care.

[Steve Smith]

Dr. Rob you are CORRECT...didn't catch that in that guy's letter.