Titegroup and 200gr. FP .45ACP question


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treebeard
December 31, 2006, 10:42 PM
Loading up some Speer Uni-cor TMJ FP's with 5.3gr. of Titegroup to shoot out of my 1911's. I really can't find any load data for this bullet? 4.8gr. was recommended as a light load so I figured 5.3 would not be that much of a jump. Any help would be appreciated.:D

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DaveInFloweryBranchGA
January 1, 2007, 12:38 AM
I suggest you start with a much lower load and work your way up. Check a manual and start towards the lower end. Remember, for reloading, accuracy is more important than velocity. Loading it hot is getting you nothing but sharper recoil and a gun that's wearing out faster along with using up expensive powder.

HSMITH
January 1, 2007, 03:03 AM
TiteGroup just sucks in 45 acp. The pressures are WAY too low to get it consistent, then there is the position sensitivity, temperature sensitivity, and all of that. There are at least a dozen powders that are better in 45 than TiteGroup.

treebeard
January 1, 2007, 10:35 AM
I have gotten pretty good results with Titegroup, but not with all bullets. As far as a manual goes, which one? I have Lyman's and Hodgdon's and there is no reference to a 200gr. JFP anywhere. Perhaps I am not looking hard enough, but I feel like I am running out of places to look. I want to try some AA#2 or AA#5 I am just waiting for my dealer to get some in. :cuss: Personally I don't like Unique, I find it very dirty and I get alot of residue on my empty brass. Bullseye seems to work pretty good for me too. The best bullet I have used to date is the Rainier 200gr. JSWC with Bullseye in my Dan Wesson.

Walkalong
January 1, 2007, 10:44 AM
I am going to try Zip next. I forgot I had it. I bought it to try and then I was not going to because it used such small amounts as to be hard to see in the case , but I can't take it. I have to try it. :banghead:
The grass is always greener over there, right. :banghead:
I gotta stop this obsession and just shoot for fun! I have good loads! :banghead: :)

Ditto on Tight Group. I know some people love it though.

8ring
January 1, 2007, 11:52 AM
Hodgdon's Annual Manual (2006 Ed.) states that the starting Titegroup load for a Speer 200gr JHP is 4.7gr. The maximum is 5.2gr. You are already .1 gr over maximum.

You should check the Speer website to see if the 200gr JHP and the 200gr Unicore are similar. I think that both bullets have a relatively thick copper plating and should be loaded as jacketed bullets.

The Hodgdon Annual Manual is a must if you plan to use Hodgdon powders. It is available everywhere, even on the magazine rack at the grocery store.

There are better powders for .45 acp, but Titegroup can work.

Chris

treebeard
January 1, 2007, 12:12 PM
I have not loaded any up yet so thanks for the advice. Looks like I need the Hodgdon manual. Both bullets do seem to have a relatively thick coating. I am waiting for some Precision bullets sent to me by a friend.;) ;) I have a feeling I am really going to like them and then I will dump the 200gr. FP's. I only have about 50 of each anyways.

I gotta stop this obsession and just shoot for fun!

Obsession....I have Unique, Titegroup, Bullseye and I am going to order some AA#2 and Clays. I know the feeling.

taliv
January 1, 2007, 01:26 PM
i'm pretty happy with titegroup in 45acp. using hornady xtp in 200 and 230g
i've had no problems with consistency

Walkalong
January 1, 2007, 01:28 PM
whoops

Walkalong
January 1, 2007, 01:29 PM
http://www.hodgdon.com/data/pistol/45acp.php

No need for manual. Go here and print it out my friend. All the powder companys have usefull data on the web. :)

8ring
January 1, 2007, 05:26 PM
You should enjoy your Precision bullets. However, Titegroup will give much more smoke and possibly more leading with these moly-coated lead bullets than other powders.

My favorite powder for 200gr Precision RNFP is Winchester Super Target. VV N-320 is also a good choice.

Chris

Sam Adams
May 25, 2007, 01:19 PM
8ring said: Hodgdon's Annual Manual (2006 Ed.) states that the starting Titegroup load for a Speer 200gr JHP is 4.7gr. The maximum is 5.2gr. You are already .1 gr over maximum.

Your figures are correct, however the manual also uses an OAL of 1.155" on that load. While I'm not familiar with loading 200 gr FPs, I do load 230 plated RN bullets in .45 using Titegroup all the time. The manual (using lead data) says 4.0 minimum and 4.8 maximum - using an OAL of 1.200". I have lots of very positive experience loading up 5.3 or 5.4 grains with an OAL of 1.27", which is very close to the figure listed in the Sierra manual as being the most accurate. I've never had ANY problems using that load, which isn't near the max for that OAL.

My point is that the maximum load for any round is highly dependent upon the OAL, as a longer OAL will lower pressures for any given weight of powder. Thus, more powder can be used with longer OAL without any danger (though I still HIGHLY recommend starting 10% below the maximums stated for any combination of powder type & weight plus OAL stated in the manual that a person is relying upon). Treebeard may not be above the max, dependent on his OAL.

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