1916 Guardia Civil, 5 pics


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vta33
January 1, 2007, 01:41 AM
Got this 1916 Spanish Mauser (Oviedo arsenal) Guardia Civil recently. The rifle is chambered in 7.62x51 caliber. Haven't had a chance to fire it yet but will next weekend.

Probably won't fire it much but I enjoy the history of the old rifles.

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DMK
January 1, 2007, 10:55 AM
Wow, really nice wood on that old Mauser. How's the bore?

I'd love to know how it shoots.

Did you get it from SAMCO or was it a local find?

Now you need an FR8 to go with it! ;)

DWARREN123
January 1, 2007, 03:01 PM
I really need to get me one or two of those.

vta33
January 1, 2007, 03:16 PM
DMK. The bore is clean. There was a speck of rust on the bolt that easily rubbed out. I bought the rifle on Gunbroker.com for $181. The rifle is in excellent condition. The previous owner refinished the stock and it looks like he polished the bolt. Won't know how she shoots until next weekend but I've read the recoil is "stout."

Samco is selling 'em for $129. Third rifle from the bottom of the page.

http://www.samcoglobal.com/rifles.html

Nah, don't need a FR8. :D Tho, a bayonet would be nice.

lionking
January 1, 2007, 04:00 PM
nice I want one too if I could find it in that good of condition.

Samco is in my city,I went there and handpicked my Persian.

DMK
January 1, 2007, 04:16 PM
For some reason, I doubt Samco's are that nice.

Best of luck with it vta33!

Niner
January 1, 2007, 08:42 PM
I have no complaint about the one I got from Samco. There are some other's like SOG that have them too. Interesting rifle, although the small ring .308 VS Nato thing has always been in the background on various boards when the subject of the 1916 Spanish comes up. AND I DON'T WANT TO WAKE SLEEPING DOGS...just a footnote.

Gewehr98
January 1, 2007, 10:03 PM
Gorgeous wood, too!

Not a sleeping dog, but a gentle safety reminder. I'd shoot nothing more potent than probably cast-bullet handloads in it, or downloaded jacketed ammo. Many small-ring M1916 rifles ended up being rebuilt into 7.62x51 FR-7 carbines, and they've been known to hand grenade with full-patch 7.62mm NATO or the even higher-pressure .308 Winchester ammo. No surprise, the original action was chambered for the 7x57 Mauser round at 45,000psi, and the 7.62mm NATO round runs around 50,000psi, with the .308 Winchester at an even higher SAAMI limit of 62,000psi. Think more along the lines of the dimensionally-similar 7.62mm CETME round for that rifle. Some have discovered Federal's .308LR Power Shock reduced-recoil load, at 43,000psi, to be the perfect commercial round for converted small-ring Spanish Mausers. To be honest, proof loads for small-ring Mausers ran in the neighborhood of 3600 bar/52,000 psi, but why would one want to continually run the equivalent of blue-pill loads in an older action like that?

GD
January 1, 2007, 11:15 PM
I have had no problems with my 1916. I use 7.62 Nato surplus (Pakastani and Indian). The recoil isn't bad at all. The accuracy of mine is exceptional. I wouldn't push the issue with .308 Win in any 7.62 Nato rifle.

PotatoJudge
January 2, 2007, 12:12 PM
A gunshop in my area has a 1916 Spanish Mauser like this for $135. It has no import marks and is chambered in 7 Mauser, but is a little dinged up and the blue is fading. I was ready to buy it the other day as a brush gun until I saw that the bore was frosted and the rifling just went away the last couple inches of the barrel.
The gun has some features I like and would still work as a brush gun, but I don't know if it could do much more than that if I needed it to.
Any guess as to it's accuracy without firing it? Is $135 a good price?

I already load the 7 mauser and would shoot a couple hundred rounds out of it a year. Would it hold up over the long haul?

Khornet
January 2, 2007, 01:55 PM
about 1990 for my brother in law. Sporter stock, glass bed,Dayton Traister trigger, Buehler safety, scope, bolt handle mod for scope clearance, some rebuing, finished and checkered it with a nice fleur-de-lis pattern.

Worked up handloads for it, but I stuck with midrange 130 gr bullets because of the above issue. Worked fine. Paid $89 for the rifle.

Blackfork
January 2, 2007, 02:04 PM
Wonder which approach they took? Seems like I have seen a lot of 1985 Chileans and some Spanish with inserts to convert the rifle to .308.

7X57 is a pretty good round. We had a sporterized version of this rifle when I was a kid but we had headspace problems. My uncle loaded ammo just for it.

Hard to beat a 150.00 rifle that shoots either of these good rounds.

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