[bbrins]

This just in on MSNBC and FOX NEWS:

Armed gunman in California Post Office, has two hostages, an assault rifle, and a shotgun.


Is it just me, or does it seem like this stuff is getting more and more attention from the media the closer we get to Sept. 2004?

[Jack T.]

Didn't anybody tell him it was not legal to do that? This is exactly why we need more gun laws :rolleyes:

[QuarterBoreGunner]

And I was going to stop for stamps on the way home too.


I predict more frequent occurence and more coverage of these incidents in the next year.

[Skunkabilly]

You know...if guns weren't allowed in post offices, this wouldn't have happened :banghead:

[Standing Wolf]

Is it just me, or does it seem like this stuff is getting more and more attention from the media the closer we get to Sept. 2004?

No, it's not just you. We're going to be hearing about so-called "assault rifles" daily, and the tone is going to turn increasingly hysterical. The national leftist extremist so-called "news" media have made up their alleged "minds" to flog this issue to death.

Ultimately, they're helping us, but there's going to be a lot of screeching and whining to listen to between now and then.

[OF]

Wait a minute...California...Post Office...but...but...I thought...? He's not allowed to do that!

Do I remember to disarm everytime I walk into the Post Office? Sometimes I just plain forget. Oops.

- Gabe

[El Rojo]

Well the media is going to try to screw us any way they can. Now if the gun lobby is smart, this situation is perfect for our cause. A man goes into a federal building, where guns are prohibited, with a gun. NOT ONLY that, but he is in the PRK, where you can't get any assault weapons legally anymore. So not only did the not bringing firearms into the post office law fail, but so did the assault weapons law. So further proof that these laws only stop law abiding citizens from doing anything because criminals by default don't care about the law anyway.

Now I don't know about you guys, but I always leave my Glock in my car when I go into the post office. :rolleyes:

[jato]

Wait a minute...California...Post Office...but...but...I thought...? He's not allowed to do that!

It's okay, it' Lakeside! :neener:

Lakeside Ca. is notorious for it's redneck lifestyle.

My department is there right now. It looks like the suspect has a shotgun or two. Stay tuned!

[SquirrelNuts]

I bet he is just trying to get fired.

Whatever happened to sexual harassment?

-SquirrelNuts

[blades67]

This is just more proof that the U.S. should sell California back to Mexico.:rolleyes:

[boofus]

I'm putting my money on Kalifornia breaking off at the fault lines and sinking into the Pacific ocean. Maybe that's why they are so against self-defense there. Because they are all dead anyway!!! :neener:

[jmbg29]

Armed gunman in CA Post Office At least he had the good sense not to come to our sportsmen's club trustee's meeting tonight. He'd have lasted about 3 seconds before springing numerous leaks!

Better that he stay in Kommiefornia methinks. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[DrPsycho]

I see alot of posts here having a go at the media, gun laws and/or gun control lobbyists - but I'd be interested to hear what you all think of possible solutions to prevent such incidents from happening in future.

[Feanaro]

I see alot of posts here having a go at the media, gun laws and/or gun control lobbyists - but I'd be interested to hear what you all think of possible solutions to prevent such incidents from happening in future.

You can't prevent someone from attempting a robbery, hold up, kidnapping and what-not with laws. Even guns can't prevent it... but they can end it. Imagine a world in which every single adult, and every child mature enough, had a gun on their person at all times. It would be like that scene in Robocop. Criminal walks into diner, brandishes shotgun and ask for the money. Twenty pistols are pointed at him an instance later, the diner was full of cops. (How's it feel to be a rocket scientist?)

If everyone were armed so and trained crime would be tiny. If someone walked into a bank with an AK and asked for the cash fifty people would be covering him. I remember an incident right after 9/11. A (crazy) man attempted to get into the cockpit, he was wrestled to the ground by the passengers. If we responded like so to crime then it would be hard for criminals to continue their "trade" for long.

Laws cannot prevent a significant number of such instances from happening, unless you run a police state.

[chieftain]

In my opinion,

The only action todate that would have stopped the terrorists on 9/11 is the arming of the pilots.

And that the TSA is dragging it's feet and making it much harder than it should.

It almost raises to contempt of congress.

The only way to stop crime, is to get rid of criminals.

Fred

[jmbg29]

Armed gunman in California Post Office, has two hostages, an assault rifle, and a shotgun. I see alot of posts here having a go at the media, gun laws and/or gun control lobbyists - but I'd be interested to hear what you all think of possible solutions to prevent such incidents from happening in future. He'd have lasted about 3 seconds before springing numerous leaks! I'll let you do the math "Dr". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[OF]

possible solutions to prevent such incidents from happening in future.9mm, 10mm, .45ACP are a few good solutions for starters. You can't prevent the incident from starting without a police state that would make Orwell cringe. But you can affect the duration and outcome of the incident rather handily with any of the three aforementioned canned solutions. After a few incident-redirection events, you will start to see the number of incidents decline as incident-initiators start to discover they have better things to do than end up dead without fanfare.

But in California, Post Offices and school zones nationwide, the second option has been removed which leaves only the first: police state.

- Gabe

[DigMe]

I heard a quick blurb on the radio this morning saying something about (And I may have heard this wrong) how this situation was resolved (without violence I think) this morning when they met the gunman's demands for a 6 pack of Dr. Pepper. <?!> Strange.

brad cook

[MJRW]

Its a plant. Couldn't have happened because he isn't allowed to do that and those guns are probably illegal. I don't believe it.

[50 Shooter]

Dig Me
He's going to use the "twinky defense", it's worked before.:neener:

[Mute]

Wait! Isn't it illegal to have a firearm in a post office. :rolleyes: :banghead:

[Carlos Cabeza]

Quote Chieftan : "The only way to get rid of crime is to get rid of criminals" like bury them UNDER the prison ! Adopt Texas' laws concerning capital punishment nationwide.

[bogie]

The only action todate that would have stopped the terrorists on 9/11 is the arming of the pilots.

Actually, I don't think that arming pilots actually means a great deal. Sure, it'll make some folks feel safer, but what actually ensures safety is that folks (at least air travellers) are no longer of the victim mentality. They're not gonna let a half dozen guys with 1.5" razor blades tell 'em what to do.

[FPrice]

"but I'd be interested to hear what you all think of possible solutions to prevent such incidents from happening in future."

I can give you a great solution in just two words.

Human shields.

Lets take every liberal gun-banner, anti-SA politician, and blissninnie in the world, line them up around every possible criminal target, and have them hold up signs that say;

"WE are Unarmed! Don't attack or rob us!

Please."

That would certainly work, wouldn't it???? :scrutiny:

[chieftain]

bogie,

Not all folks who are armed are doing so for confidence. Some of us will actually use our side arms to defend what we believe in.

I don't think the arming of pilots is a feel good action. These men are generally men of action. Decisive and used to making decisions under pressure.

I think when the there are enough armed pilots to be a true
deterrent, inspite of the contempt of the TSA, there will be no attempt by any rational person or group to hijack a commercial airliner.

The only attempts will be to blow up the planes. To prevent that and only that will the luggage inspections be effective.

Don't ever underestimate determined men with clear consience and purpose defending their own.

And for Carlos, Yea under in on the side, just so long as they are out of the water and in prison or dead. You got it.

The failure of our justice system is just that. For any number of reasons the Courts have had no problem letting the criminal cancer back among decent folks.

I don't care whether the reason is poison fruit or the preverted belief that cultural or racial differences or youth are reasons to allow these vermin to feed on honest folks.

If these Judges believed in justice instead of activism we would have a much better society for all members.

Good luck, Get hits.

Fred

[Kaylee]

1. It does seem increasingly like these events spike as legislative efforts come up. I'd like to think it's just a matter of newscasters with an agenda.... If we get a few more by September though, or one biggie just as it comes out of commitee or Gods forbid goes up to Bush... I don't think I'll be able to believe that anymore. Already I'm inclined to wonder if a "Jim March" style amateur investigation on some of these perps might not be a good idea.

2. Stop it from happening? You never can, completely. You can certainly make it a less attractive option though. The way I see it though is that it has far, far less to do with guns and CCW per se and more with ending the vicitim mentality. 9/11 and Flight 93 really struck a serious blow to the whole "sit back and wait for the authorities" mindset, and I only see that as increasing.

-K

[Carnitas]

Funny, the blurb I read in the paper said he stormed in and "took hostages". No mention of how or even if he were armed, although a postal inspectory that was interviewed refered to him as a "gunman". It did mention that the swat team was armed with assault weapons.

[cordex]

Funny, the blurb I read in the paper said he stormed in and "took hostages". No mention of how or even if he were armed, although a postal inspectory that was interviewed refered to him as a "gunman". It did mention that the swat team was armed with assault weapons.
Local TV newslady said the same thing.
Perp took hostages.
Cops had "assault weapons".

Thought it was interesting.

[TechBrute]

Didn't anyone tell the guy that guns aren't allowed in post offices? Maybe he didn't get the memo...

MSNBC has it listed as a "high powered" rifle.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/919402.asp?0dm=N249N

[CZ-100]

Wait a minute...California...Post Office...but...but...I thought...? He's not allowed to do that!!

All our post offices here have metal dectors at the door.

[El Rojo]

Metal detectors at the door? Have you been reading that "my ccw keeps setting off the store metal detectors" thread? Those are not metal detectors? Everyone that walks in with a knife or a big belt buckle would set them off. Those are anti-theft devices. They now have a lot of the postage as self-serve over along the wall, they don't want you walking out with it.

What I don't understand is how this event has absolutely nothing to do with the State of California. The no guns in federal buildings is a nation wide thing. If it was an assault weapon, it was illegal for him to have in the first place as we don't get to have assault weapons in this state. Then everyone starts bagging on California and how they deserve this and it should fall off into the ocean. Then someone else talks about how the PRK is a police state because we don't have CCW. HELLO!!! I have my CCW and I live in the PRK.

Why are there so many people out there that have this disdain for California, when it is not even warranted in this situation? If you don't like the way politics are in California, move there and vote!!! Quit bad mouthing us and talking trash. I would venture to saythat the people on this board who complain about California and urge everyone to move out help contribute to the problems of California. We need more good people to stay and help turn the tide. "California is a lost cause" you say? Yeah, then how come the rest of the nation is looking at an even more restrictive assault weapon bill than what we even have here? Because this stuff gets passed in California. It is a big ego boost to the anti-gunners. If more good people would live here and help stop this crap, you eventually wouldn't have to worry about it in your good state. Just continue to close your eyes and bad mouth us. Pray the assault weapons ban doesn't pass. If it does, I won't feel sorry for any of you. Welcome to my hell! Now instead of bad mouthing this place, you might have wished you could have helped in some way.

Now back to the subject at hand. This incident has nothing to do with the state of politics in the PRK. In fact, it is just a good reminder of how the state politics in the PRK are ineffective and useless. Not a single law stopped this from happening. What good is it to make some more? That is what needs to be focused on. This thing does nothing but make our case. Anytime crime occurs in these "safe zones", it is the best thing that could happen for our cause. However, that is if we were dealing with rational human beings, anti-gun liberals are obviously not.

[jmbg29]

Why are there so many people out there that have this disdain for California, when it is not even warranted in this situation? I know of at least one mass shooting incident that occured specifically because of Kommiefornia gun laws.

I draw your attention to one Buford Furrow. A white supremacist wife-beating loser.http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/12/california.shooting.03/

Buford felt the need to "go kill some Jews".

This left our Nazi loser with a bit of a quandry.

Should he:

A) Take his chances in a Synogogue in WA, a state with more than 600,000 CPLs?

B) Drive to Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, or Montana, all of which have citizen friendly gun laws?

C) Drive to the People's Demoratik Republik of Kommiefornia, which contains sheeple as far as the eye can see?


You already know the answer. And Buford, being a classic Nazi, attacked a day-care center, and then shot a mail-carrier for the crime of being Philipino.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

I don’t think that you can prove that Buford specifically targeted that day care center because he knew, being in California, that the chance of anyone having a firearm would be slim. As I recall (looking for data) the day care center was run as part of the local Jewish Community Center, and that, I believe was his reasoning for the target choice.

I’ve said it before, whenever it comes up in a thread, yes, we know California has some ridiculous firearms laws, but we’re not the worst, nor the most repressive. Anyone from New York City or Washington DC want to chime in here?

The needless California bashing is uncalled for and adds nothing to the discussion. Give it a rest please. Speaking for myself, I love this state- wouldn’t live anywhere else. Yes the gun laws suck, but this is my home.

[jmbg29]

I don’t think that you can prove that Buford specifically targeted that day care center because he knew, being in California, that the chance of anyone having a firearm would be slim. As I recall (looking for data) the day care center was run as part of the local Jewish Community Center, and that, I believe was his reasoning for the target choice.You think we don't have Jewish Community Centers here in Washington state? Maybe he drove hundreds of miles for the fun of it. Yeah! That's the ticket! :rolleyes:

Nice try though.

Are there places worse than Kommiefornia? Yes.

That should be a comfort. :rolleyes: :scrutiny: :uhoh: :barf:

[Drjones]

Sorry guys, the story is a hoax.


We all know that assault rifles are illegal in CA, and firearms are prohibited in Post Offices.

More media lies...

[QuarterBoreGunner]

jmbg29-

Your CNN story link has an idea in it as to the reason why he chose California:

Authorities say Buford Furrow, a resident of Washington state with a history of hate group ties, drove to Los Angeles where the August 10 shootings occurred. Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, offers a theory of why Los Angeles was chosen.

"(Hate groups) target Los Angeles as being a center of Jewish power in America -- the media, television, Hollywood, etc. They have this fantasy that Jews control this nation and they have to take some violent action. I think that's why he went to Los Angeles to do what he did."


No mention there of the lack of possible self-defence firearms. If California's perceived 'easy target' status was the reason, why drive the length of California to Los Angeles? Why not just stop at the state capitol in Sacramento? Or San Francisco?

Nope. I don't think that the thought 'hey I know! I'll go shoot up a JCC day care center in California, 'cause they can't have guns so they can't shoot back!' ever was part of the equation.

He was just a Nazi whack job that wanted to kill some Jewish kids.

[jmbg29]

No mention there of the lack of possible self-defence firearms. If California's perceived 'easy target' status was the reason, why drive the length of California to Los Angeles? Why not just stop at the state capitol in Sacramento? Or San Francisco?No mention of the unarmed sheeple of Los Angeles by the famed left-wing extremist Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center? A man that has dedicated his life to taking away R.K.B.A. rights in this country, and he didn't mention the unarmed (by law) sheeple of Los Angeles! I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

LMMFAO :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

But again, nice try.

why drive the length of California to Los Angeles?Because it was the only place within 1,000 miles of where the Nazi idiot lived, that had an almost ZERO possibility of him encountering an armed citizen, or a cop that didn't have "sensitivity to the plight of the downtrodden" indoctrination. That's why.

Maybe you aren't aware of this, but Buford found out what it is like to stare down the barrel of a gun a couple of years before his little road trip.

Buford attacked some folks at a mental facility and then waved a knife around threatening people. The King County Sheriff's dept. showed up, and Buford came within about .02 ounces of trigger pull from being sent to his great reward before he surrendered.*

Buford learned that day that it is better to attack in a place that is known to be as soft as possible on criminals, and as hard as possible on the victims of crime.

Dangling southern Kommiefornia in front of him was a little like waving a pork chop at a famished Doberman.


*Shortly after Buford's (hopefully) last escapade, the deputy that was involved in the hospital incident came on TV and radio to apologize for not having shot the loser before he was given his chance to kill in KA.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

I still don't buy it completely; perhaps it’s because I have such a hard time expecting rational thought from such an obvious nut case.

[rick_reno]

Maybe he's hunting.

[jmbg29]

I still don't buy it completely; perhaps it’s because I have such a hard time expecting rational thought from such an obvious nut case.And yet you bought Morris Dees' socio-politically nuanced (and much more sophisticated) explanation for Buford's behavior. :rolleyes: :scrutiny: :banghead:

edited to add the possesive '

[rock jock]

Imagine a world in which every single adult, and every child mature enough, had a gun on their person at all times. .......................If everyone were armed so and trained crime would be tiny.
You may as well wish for silver dollars falling from the sky because its never gonna happen. Even in CCW states, only a small minority of folks have licenses, a smaller minority actually carry with any regularity, and even a smaller number of those have any sense of proper training. The correct answer is, there is no way to prevent this happening any more than you can prevent me from driving my SUV into a crowd of kids at a bus stop. CCW laws are not meant to stop the occasional whacko with an AK. They are meant to allow individuals to protect themselves and, if done properly, will have a positive impact in reducing crime overall but may or may not have any effect on specific crimes. Selling CCW laws on the premise that a million crime fighters are going to be on the street is misleading and counterproductive because the liberals are going to call your bluff the first time there is a mass shooting and a CCW license holder doesn't stop it.

[4 eyed six shooter]

Why was I not surprised when I found out it was in Lakeside. I used to live there, sounds like nothings changed. Lets see, a school shooting there, the post office, whats next? Could be just about anything--Stay tuned to news at 10. Honestly, Kalifornia is such a mess. I'm glad I left when I did. The San Diego area seems to have more than it's share of idiots. One nasty incident after another. Myself, I think it's Gov. Grayout Davis, he just makes people go nuts.