California (LA) "Ban on Shotgun sales assailed"


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cuchulainn
May 28, 2003, 09:17 PM
from the Whittier Daily News

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,207~12026~1418828,00.htmlBan on Shotgun sales assailed

By Ben Baeder , Staff Writer

SOUTH EL MONTE -- For 50 years, the Whittier Narrows Triple B Clays shooting range has sold top-brand shotguns while serving as a practice facility for the U.S. National Shotgun Team, as well as amateur enthusiasts of the sport.

"If you're going to train somewhere around here, this is the place,' said Randy Sotowa, a member of the U.S. team.

But since April 30, Triple B has stopped selling shotguns, by order of the county of Los Angeles, which has imposed a 1999 county law barring the sale of firearms on property it owns or leases.

Because Triple B's owners sublease the property on Rosemead Boulevard within the Whittier Narrows Recreation Area from the county, officials say the law applies to the shooting range.

Triple B's owners, in response, have filed a claim against the county, seeking $13 million in damages.

"It's like going to a golf shop that does not sell golf clubs,' Bruce Barsotti, one of Triple B's three owners, said as he stood in the pro shop in front of rows and rows of empty gun racks.

According to a financial report from a private accountant hired by Triple B's owners, gun sales account for the company's largest source of revenue. Losing its ability to sell shotguns decreases the company's value from $15 million to about $2 million, the report states.

In 1999, the Board of Supervisors banned gun sales on county property in response to reports that illegal sales of assault rifles and handguns were taking place at guns shows at Fairplex in Pomona, which is owned by the county.

However, the county did not enforce the ban at Triple B until this year.

County officials did not say why they waited until April to enforce the ban.

Calls to Larry Hafetz, an attorney for the county, were not returned.

Joel Bellman, a spokesman for supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, said the issue is a philosophical one. He said the supervisor believes the county should not lease property to businesses that profit from gun sales, while at the same time funding gun-violence prevention programs.

"The main thing is that we've got a (Los Angeles County-funded) gun-violence enforcement program, and we have a problem that the county is a profit partner on the sale of guns on county property,' he said. "We've got to count the consequences of our actions.'

But Eric Oto, an attorney representing Triple B, said the shooting range's owners bought the business based on their ability to sell guns, and now that has changed.

He also said it isn't accurate to equate the $700-to-$20,000 hunting shotguns sold at Triple B to the type of cheap handguns used in street crimes.

There is no evidence that any illegal gun trading has taken place at the range, Oto added.

Oto said a county claims board will soon make a decision regarding Triple B's claim.

"We're still hoping to work something out,' Oto said. "We still hope this won't have to be an adversarial proceeding.'

In February, Great Western Shows, which formerly put on gun shows at the county fairgrounds in Pomona, received a $1.6 million settlement from the county after the gun sales ban caused it to cancel shows.

-- Ben Baeder can be reached at (562) 698-0955, Ext. 3024, or by e-mail at ben.baeder@sgvn.com .

Copyright © 2003 Whittier Daily News

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4570Rick
May 28, 2003, 09:39 PM
Joel Bellman, a spokesman for supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, said the issue is a philosophical one. He said the supervisor believes the county should not lease property to businesses that profit from gun sales, while at the same time funding gun-violence prevention programs.

The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact where better to learn firearm safety (gun violence prevention) then at a facility with the equipment and personal at the ready.:mad:



















Or do they, the supervisors, have other motives?:scrutiny: :banghead:

CGofMP
May 28, 2003, 09:44 PM
Elmer Fudd....

Are you listening???

ANYONE that thinks the agenda for gun control advocates (translate that gun prohibitionists) is NOT going to include shotguns had darned well better read betwen the obvious lines.

the supervisor believes the county should not lease property to businesses that profit from gun sales, while at the same time funding gun-violence prevention programs.

If you have a friend that does not understand your antipathy toward having your "black baby killer rifle" confiscated show him this.

The rest of us were here a couple decades back...

Charles
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Standing Wolf
May 28, 2003, 10:06 PM
...the county should not lease property to businesses that profit from gun sales, while at the same time funding gun-violence prevention programs...

Wrong. Los Angeles county promotes violence with firearms by turning criminals loose time after time after time after time after time.

Frohickey
May 28, 2003, 10:36 PM
I like your Join or Die flag.

Maybe someone with artistic talents can make another one, instead of the N.E., N.Y., P., etc, use Hunters, Trapshooters, Handgunners, Benchresters, etc.

CGofMP
May 28, 2003, 10:41 PM
If we were nto right in the middle of doing three sites I'd ask my artist to do it.

If someone has not done so when we finish these three I'll do just that. Interestingly I was thinking along the same lines, and thought about doing it with some form of long arm instead of snake...

Charles

Sisco
May 29, 2003, 07:08 AM
Maybe the ban is actually about all those Saturday ChiCom full auto 410 ga assult shotguns they were probably selling.
Those trap shooters are a radical bunch you know.

geekWithA.45
May 29, 2003, 08:38 AM
It's OK to sell shotguns for clay shooting, is one of the subtexts of this article.

What about defense of self, property, and liberty?

Ha!

Mark Tyson
May 29, 2003, 09:59 AM
Shotguns will be next after "assault weapons", no doubt about it. They'll start with the semi-autos like the Benelli S90 Tactical model and similar ones. Then the "military-style" shotguns like the Mossberg 590's, ones with "no sporting purpose".

Everyone knows how brutally effective shotguns can be at close combat.

I wish the hunters and other gun owners who think it won't happen to their guns would wake up.

50 Shooter
May 29, 2003, 11:32 AM
Good ole Zev Youraslobsky, he cost the tax payers 1.6 Million with the Pomona Gun Show crap. Not to mention all the lost revenue for the locals and vendors at the show.

Now this idiot is going to cost us another 13 Mil if this club wins, which it more then likely will.

Frohickey
May 29, 2003, 01:08 PM
That $13 million and $1.6 million should be taken from Yaroslavsky's wages. :cuss:

MrAcheson
May 29, 2003, 01:28 PM
No next will be handguns. Following that are larger caliber hunting rifles (.308 and etc.). The cry will be "they're sniper rifles." "They don't give the animals a sporting chance anyway."

Semi-auto shotguns and especially rifled slug guns will be after that. Hell even the russians were allowed to own smooth bores (i.e. shotguns) during the height of the Cold War.

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