question about .22LR jacketed bullets


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Levan9X19
January 5, 2007, 05:19 AM
I purchased a browning Buck mark bullsaye target 22LR pistol and I know that in some cases using of jacketed bullets is not recommended. I am not sure but I think this refers to only old guns produced when jacketed .22Lr bullets where not very common.
Is it ok to use them in Buck mark?

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mete
January 5, 2007, 08:41 AM
"jacketed 22lr" ?? I've never seen one , do you mean copper plated ? For long life of the pistol you should be using standard loads rather than high velocity ones.IIRC copper plated bullets are used in high velocity loads and the copper plating is not the problem ,it's the higher velocity that in the long term creates more wear on the gun.

wally
January 5, 2007, 10:10 AM
I think if you actually wore out a .22 lr barrel from shooting it, folks here would give you a medal.

I have an AMT Lightning Ruger MKII clone that I've enjoyed for many many years, all of a sudden it wouldn't go 200 rounds without the bore leading up so bad all accuracy was lost. Use the wearch, I asked here if perhaps I'd "shot out" the barrel. Consensis was that it was because I'd started using Remington Thunderbolt ammo that Academy had on sale for $8/500. Most everyone said it was the ammo. I went back to Federal Champion and CCI Blazer after tediously cleaning out the lead and problem solved. I quit buying Thunderbolt because it leaded up another gun when I tried finishing off the brick. I shot up what I had left by mixing a box of Thunderbolt and a box of Federal (which was only $1 more a brick at the time).

I suspect the reason the copper plated HP are not recommended for target shooting is because depending on the gun they might start out at or cross thru the speed of sound on their way to the target -- transonic aerodynamics is a regime you try to avoid flying thru as its very hard to maintain stability, hence bullet accuracy. In a rifle they are usually comfortably above the speed of sound out to about 75 yrds or so. That's why most match ammo is "sub-sonic" and why they make the "hyper velocity rounds' (CCI Stinger etc) to extend the useful range a bit
along with velocity sells :)

--wally.

Onmilo
January 5, 2007, 10:56 AM
The US Military procured some ten million rounds of full metal jacketed bullet ammunition from Remington.
The cartridges look like .22 magnum FMJ ammunition only shorter.
I was made to comply with requirements for the use of full metal jacketed bullets in combat and survival weapons.

Since most .22 ammunition used in combat is during survival escape and evasion and clandestine operations I always thought the fmj stuff was sort of goofy but then again having real full metal jacketed bullets and not just copper plated solids loaded in your AR-7 survival rifle just might keep the guys who capture you from executing you on the spot for possessing non military application ammunition, who knows,,,,

I have only seen this stuff in Military depots and have never encountered a box for sale anywhere in the civilian market.

To your original question, the Buckmark will digest any and all currently available .22 LR ammunition including all the hyper velocity stuff.
Whether it does so reliably and accurately is a matter of trial and error until you find the loads the pistol likes best.
This is one of the real joys of owning a .22, finding the ammo it really likes. HTH

Steve C
January 5, 2007, 12:36 PM
Copper plated or copper washed bullets in the 22lr are generally found in high velocity and hyper velocity loads. You only find true copper jacketed bullets on center fire and some .22 magnum loadings. You can shoot a million rounds of any .22 lr ammo through your Buckmark and not wear out the barrel. Test several types of ammo in your gun to see what is the most reliable and accurate in your pistol. Every gun has its preferences. I have 2 Buckmarks and both shoot Remington and Winchester very well but for some reason don’t like Federal of any type I’ve tried. Even the expensive Federal Match ammo at $7 a box won’t shoot as well in them as the inexpensive Remington Goldens bought in bulk from Walmart. I get the best accuracy from Wolf match, Winchester T22 standard velocity, CCI Green Tag, CCI Pistol Match, and Aguilla pistol match.

Jim K
January 5, 2007, 05:55 PM
Onmilo is correct, but I have seen a few of those .22 LR FMJ rounds that "leaked." Since .22 barrels are often a lot softer than CF barrels, I can see advice not to shoot them in a regular .22 gun. I think that is a bit like warning against flying elephants, but who knows?

Jim

Levan9X19
January 6, 2007, 09:30 AM
thanx for not throwing stones at me for such an amteur question.:D I saw some brands of jackated .22 ammunition and read an article where author warned not to use jacketed ammunition in some types of guns.

I guess I ll go with the one right way, will use standard .22 ammo and see which patricular brands will give me better results.

I like .22. I got norinco rimfire rifle and it gave me lot of flexibility. ammo is cheap and available from lot of suppliers, you can shoot it at home, at your summer residence, in any close or outdoor range without limitations. .22 is fun too shoot you nevet have to think about money you had spent on it.

btw my favorite 9mm Luger costs around dollar and half for each cartridge. expensive isnt it? :cuss:

shaggycat
January 6, 2007, 11:28 AM
Btw my favorite 9mm Luger costs around dollar and half for each cartridge. expensive isnt it?

Me thinks your math is falty...

Levan9X19
January 9, 2007, 12:47 PM
no its not falty....:D

we got the most expensive ammo in the world

30-06 --- 3 USD
.45 --- 2 USD
7.62 Nagant --- 5 USD
5.45 russian PSM pistol cartridge holds a world record for price for military surplus ammo - 25 USD per one cartridge :what:

.22 costs around 15 cents for one cartridge.

this math looks bad but its not falty )))

GunNut
January 9, 2007, 01:28 PM
Levan9X19,

I think that it might be pertinent to let us know where you are from.....

It would be hard to believe that 9mm would cost $1.5/round, when we here in the USA can buy 50 rounds for $6.

Steve

shaggycat
January 9, 2007, 05:34 PM
.22 costs around 15 cents for one cartridge.

:what: :what: :what:

Levan9X19
January 10, 2007, 04:29 AM
I am from Georgia, ex soviet republic. you know.... rose revolution etc. :neener:

CajunBass
January 10, 2007, 05:47 PM
no its not falty....

we got the most expensive ammo in the world

30-06 --- 3 USD
.45 --- 2 USD
7.62 Nagant --- 5 USD
5.45 russian PSM pistol cartridge holds a world record for price for military surplus ammo - 25 USD per one cartridge

.22 costs around 15 cents for one cartridge.

this math looks bad but its not falty )))

Well! So much for my whinning about the cost of WWB at the local Wally World. :what:

Vern Humphrey
January 10, 2007, 05:53 PM
The US Military procured some ten million rounds of full metal jacketed bullet ammunition from Remington.
The cartridges look like .22 magnum FMJ ammunition only shorter.
I was made to comply with requirements for the use of full metal jacketed bullets in combat and survival weapons.

Since most .22 ammunition used in combat is during survival escape and evasion and clandestine operations I always thought the fmj stuff was sort of goofy but then again having real full metal jacketed bullets and not just copper plated solids loaded in your AR-7 survival rifle just might keep the guys who capture you from executing you on the spot for possessing non military application ammunition, who knows,,,,

They were originally developed for tunnel rats. Troops exploring NVA and VC tunnels had no decent weapons for that purpose -- the standard M1911A1 would do a job on your ears if you fired it in such a confined space, and in the dark you don't want to be wearing earplugs. So tunnel rats were issued .22s, the first of which as I recall came from Army pistol teams.

Some anti-war movement immediately seized on the lead bullets as a violation of the Hague Convention (and it wasn't until they started howling about it), so the Army had jacketed .22s developed.

Levan9X19
January 11, 2007, 03:47 AM
as I know Israelis used .22 for riot control.... soon they discovered that .22 easily sent too many rioters directly to 72 virgins. I guess they aslo used jackated bullets because of Hague Convention

IMtheNRA
January 16, 2007, 03:31 AM
Levan9x19, why is ammunition so expensive over there? Russian ammo is widely available and is amazingly cheap in the US and you're so much closer to where it is manufactured...

Is it so expensive because it is sold only on the black market?

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