Kansas CCL reciprocity list is out!


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Sisco
January 5, 2007, 01:07 PM
From the KS Attorney Generals website http://www.ksag.org/Concealed_Weapon...er_states.htm:

Based on a review of the applicable state laws and conversations with officials from each of the respective states, the following 22 states satisfy the requirements listed above:

1. Alaska
2. Arizona
3. Arkansas
4. Colorado
5. Florida
6. Hawaii
7. Kentucky
8. Louisiana
9. Michigan
10. Minnesota
11. Missouri
12. Nebraska
13. Nevada
14. New Jersey
15. New Mexico
16. North Carolina
17. Ohio
18. Oklahoma
19. South Carolina
20. Tennessee
21. Texas
22. West Virginia

There is one (1) additional state Wyoming that is pending a determination of whether it will meet the criteria for recognition.

A review of applicable state laws and discussions with state officials from each of the respective states, the following 24 states do not meet the minimum requirements as outlined above:

1. Alabama - Does not meet age, training, live fire, or pending charges requirements
2. California - Does not meet the age requirement
3. Connecticut - Does not have a live fire requirement
4. Delaware - Does not meet age requirement
5. Georgia - Does not have either training or live fire requirements
6. Idaho - Does not have a live fire requirement
7. Indiana - Does not meet age requirement
8. Iowa - Does not meet age requirement
9. Maine - Does not meet age requirement
10. Maryland - Does not meet age requirement
11. Massachusetts - Does not have a formal shooting requirement
12. Mississippi - Does not have a training requirement
13. Montana - Does not meet age requirement
14. New Hampshire - Does not meet age or background requirements
15. New York - Does not meet training requirement
16. North Dakota - Does not meet age requirement
17. Oregon - Does not meet the live fire requirement
18. Pennsylvania - Does not meet training or live fire requirements
19. Rhode Island - Does not meet training requirement
20. South Dakota - Does not meet age requirement
21. Utah - Does not meet live fire requirement
22. Vermont - Essentially, no requirements at all (no license is issued)
23. Virginia - Does not meet live fire requirement
24. Washington - Does not meet training or live fire requirements

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Zundfolge
January 5, 2007, 01:10 PM
Yay!

Now I can legally carry when I visit the 'rents in ICT :D

Sisco
January 5, 2007, 01:12 PM
Zundfolge : Good news travels fast huh? Just finished reading your reply at combatcarry when I came over and posted the list!

Zundfolge
January 5, 2007, 01:14 PM
Heh, I just posted in the thread on kansasconcealedcarry.com too :neener:

Still 2 Many Choices!?
January 5, 2007, 02:51 PM
Question though...Where can I find a list of all the states that have reciprocity with Texas? Sure I could look it up myself, but I am only asking for a point in the right direction, I'm lazy lol:) .

Still 2 Many Choices!?

thegriz
January 5, 2007, 03:30 PM
Packing.org is a good source of info for reciprocity.

This news is terrific. Now we just need to work on Nebraska.

wdlsguy
January 5, 2007, 04:14 PM
Where can I find a list of all the states that have reciprocity with Texas?
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/reciprocity.htm
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

possum
January 5, 2007, 05:19 PM
great news though i no longer live in kansas i am glad to hear it for those that still reside there!

Kankujoe
January 5, 2007, 05:20 PM
Good News! Now I don't have to do the Chinese Fire Drill everytime I get ready to cross the state line into Kansas....

This just made my life a whole lot easier....:)

woolfam
January 5, 2007, 05:25 PM
(deleted - found my answer)

Standing Wolf
January 5, 2007, 10:00 PM
It will be good to visit Kansas again.

Dorryn
January 5, 2007, 11:05 PM
Wait, NY doesnt have reciprocity with KANSAS?! Youve got to be kidding me. It cracks me up that a supposedly "difficult" state like NY has standards too lax for KANSAS of all places. :neener:

ozarkhillbilly
January 5, 2007, 11:33 PM
Dorryn
Wait, NY doesnt have reciprocity with KANSAS?! Youve got to be kidding me. It cracks me up that a supposedly "difficult" state like NY has standards too lax for KANSAS of all places


I understand where you are coming from, but NY does not have reciprocity with Kansas, why should Kansas have reciprocity with NY. One thing that is a little annoying to me is the fact that MO recognizes all CCWs but places like NY, CA and NV do not recognize ours.

I am glad about Kansas though, it means on monday I will not have to remove my weapon while driving back home from Colorado.

sctman800
January 6, 2007, 03:35 AM
What about a Florida non-resident license? Being from Illinois I have to rely on the six non-resident permits I have. Florida, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Connecuit, Maine and Utah. Jim.

CNYCacher
January 6, 2007, 05:03 AM
As was listed on the OP, Kansas does not accept NY permission slips because NY has VERY lax training requirements compared to what Kansas would like to see. The only training I needed to complete before applying for my permission slip was to sit in a classroom for 3 hours while a guy covered everything from defining what a primer is to applicable use of force laws. There was no shooting in the class, though, which I think a lot of states are looking for.

Also, NY doesn't accept ANY permission slips but those made in NY, so why should any state accept NY permission slips?

Walkalong
January 6, 2007, 10:06 AM
Does that mean I have to bypass Kansas? nope.

KnifeLawGuy
January 6, 2007, 11:11 AM
Hi Sisco,

Thanks for posting the list. I clicked on the link in your original post and it doesn't work. Here is the working link for those interested:

http://www.ksag.org/Concealed_Weapon/Recognition_of_other_states.htm

The general KS concealed carry page is here:

http://www.ksag.org/Concealed_Weapon/Concealed_Carry_Update.htm


Stay sharp, stay safe,
david.

baz
January 6, 2007, 11:25 AM
What about a Florida non-resident license? Being from Illinois I have to rely on the six non-resident permits I have. Florida, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Connecuit, Maine and Utah. Jim.There's no such thing as a Florida "non-resident" license. It's the same license for everybody, regardless of where they live, so long as they meet the requirements. So if you have a Florida CHL, you've satisified the requirements for Kansas (as I read it).

baz
January 6, 2007, 11:29 AM
Wait, NY doesnt have reciprocity with KANSAS?! Youve got to be kidding me. It cracks me up that a supposedly "difficult" state like NY has standards too lax for KANSAS of all places. The reason given for excluding NY was lack of a training requirement. In that sense, the NY requirement is too lax. It also suggests that the real standand in NY is who you know, not what you know.

Sisco
January 6, 2007, 11:32 AM
KnifeLawGuy: Thanks for the correction.

Lennyjoe
January 6, 2007, 11:43 AM
Finally! Now I don't have to unload when I hit the state line.

sctman800
January 6, 2007, 12:18 PM
There's no such thing as a Florida "non-resident" license. It's the same license for everybody, regardless of where they live, so long as they meet the requirements. So if you have a Florida CHL, you've satisified the requirements for Kansas (as I read it).


Some states only recognize permits if issued from the state you live in, such as Michigan and New Hampshire do not recognize my Fla. because I do not live in Florida. Jim.

AirForceShooter
January 6, 2007, 12:33 PM
This is a very strange list.
There are a lot of states on it whhich will never recognize the Ks. permission slip.
But jeeze Pennslyvania isn't recognized? That's plain silly. And I don't even live there.

AFS

zoom6zoom
January 6, 2007, 12:42 PM
Don't confuse honoring permits with reciprocity. For example, Kansas may honor New Jersey and Hawaii permits, but I'm betting the reverse isn't true - because those states don't currently honor anyone elses. And hardly issue any to their own residents.

AirForceShooter
January 6, 2007, 04:36 PM
that was my point.
Kansas has a very strange way of looking at recognition.

AFS

Mortech
January 6, 2007, 05:41 PM
Dang , my state doesn't met the requirement ..... :neener: ..another excuse NOT to visit the in-laws . Actually it means I really need to get a Florida non-resident permit .

Dorryn
January 8, 2007, 09:35 AM
It also suggests that the real standand in NY is who you know, not what you know.

I couldn't agree more. They were dragging their feet about giving me my CCW permit, despite my service in the USMC, until I gave as references a decorated (retired) LEO and the Wayne County Republican Chairman.

Still, its annoying to deal with the lack of uniformity. Hell, I never know what borders I can legally cross. :banghead:

jac714
January 8, 2007, 11:13 PM
You might want to check again, the new AG has suspended the list pending his review.:mad:

Robert Hairless
January 9, 2007, 01:10 AM
Kansas has a very strange way of looking at recognition.

You're confusing reciprocity with recognition.

When two states agree to treat each other's permit holders as they would their own, they have entered into a reciprocal agreement. That's reciprocity. It's bilateral.

When one state decides to honor another state's permit without the other state doing the same, the first state has recognized the other state's permit. That's recognition. It's unlateral.

Several states recognize New York State permits but New York State doesn't recognize permits from any other state and has no reciprocity with any state. New York City does not recognize any other permit, not even from New York State, but several states recognize New York City permits, and its Mayor Michael Bloomberg holds everyone else in contempt.

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