Looking for a .22 plinker and knockaround gun: S&W 317 or Taurus 94UL?
mini14jac
May 29, 2003, 08:26 AM
I would like to get a snub .22 for plinking, hiking, etc.
I want to keep the weight down, so I didn't list a Ruger.
I'm not looking for long range accuracy, just something for popping cans and wasting a brick of ammo.
Anybody have experience with the 317 or the 94UL in .22?
I'm sure I would love the light little Smith, but it is expensive and I hear that they all need a trigger job.
I like Taurus revolvers, and I hear that they can be found with decent triggers, but the 94UL weighs almost 1/2 pound more.
Opinions? Likes? Dislikes?
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Stainz
May 29, 2003, 10:31 AM
Reconsider the Rugers. My only bottom-feeder is a MKII. You can get a short barrel in either MKII or 22/45 style - it'll be more 'fun' plinking - well worth the additional weight & bulk. For a revolver, consider the infamous Bearcat.
Stainz
VictorLouis
May 29, 2003, 12:20 PM
Atrociously heavy triggers outta the box, and I can't stomach an aluminum cylinder even though they do work and hold-up well(by all accounts). Buddy has the UL, and it has a steel cylinder. IMO, neither one is really good for cans outside of 15yds., whereas the larger guns will get you out to the 50yd. with no trouble.
sw442642
May 29, 2003, 03:44 PM
I had a SW 317 with a terrible trigger. I had a SS older model 94 and the trigger was decent. Haven't tried the UL models.
I'd go with the Taurus if I were going to buy a 22 rev. again.
mini14jac
May 31, 2003, 08:16 PM
Thanks for the replies.
I already have a stainless MKII, but I just realized that I never take it to the range.
They are great guns, but they just don' float my boat.
I don't know why.
I seem to like revolvers for .22 shooting.
BryanP
May 31, 2003, 11:13 PM
I own a Taurus 94 with a 4" barrel. It's a nice little shooter. I've never tried the 2" version.
chaim
June 1, 2003, 03:13 AM
I am thinking about a .22 snub myself.
What do you want yours for?
I had been thinking about the Taurus for a long time being a Taurus fan. However, the reason I want a .22 snub is essentially to be used as a trainer for more powerful snub revolvers (the small framed snubs tend to be the hardest revolvers to become proficient with their use so I figured w/ the zero recoil of .22 I could shoot all day, and with the price of .22 ammo I could afford to so that I might become good with a snub with a few months or a year in practice). Anyway, even the 2" 94s have an adjustable sight. Great for most uses, but not so great if you want to use it as a "trainer" for a fixed sight 9mm and/or .38spl snub.
If your uses are just for fun, or whatever, but not like mine, and the adjustable sights aren't a problem (or are even a plus) then the Taurus should be a good gun. I had a Taurus 605 and I can attest to the fact that Taurus has the trigger on small framed snubs down, that was one heck of a good trigger. Fit and finish on their revolvers is pretty good these days, and the price is significantly lower.
For me, with what I want (it doesn't hurt that I am also a S&W fan), I might have to go S&W. However, the price difference has me unsure.
BTW (and not to hijack the thread, please leave this to one or two responses)- I hadn't heard about the 317 having trigger issues. Do all S&W .22lr snubs have this problem (or if not, do all lightweight .22lr snubs?)?
gau5
June 1, 2003, 09:02 PM
I have had my 317 for many years and love this gun. It is plenty accurate, you just have to work a litttle harder.
The trigger needs some attention, but nothing impossible. Mine has a great trigger. I carry this in the state gamelands where only a .22 is OK if you are not a hunter. It has fired many thousands of rounds with no problems. It dissappears in the pocket due to its lightweight and blasts off 8 rounds of whatever combo of ammo you want, from ratshot to Stingers. The Stingers clock 1200 fps from the little snubbie barrel.
Get the Smith.
V-fib
June 2, 2003, 01:27 AM
Recently picked up a 2"bbl Taurus 94 steel version. I wanted something about the size and weight of my Ruger SP101 3" .357 to use as a cheap practice gun. I've put about 500 rounds through it so far with no problems. I also like it as my carrying around the homestead gun since it fits easily in my back pocket. I also like the 9 shots and picked up a couple of HKS speedloaders for it. Accuracy is very good at 7 yards. :cool:
mini14jac
June 2, 2003, 07:10 AM
Thanks for the replies.
It sounds like I won't be doing too bad if I get either gun.
chaim,
I guess mine will be a combination of uses.
My wife and daughter have 2" .38s, so it would serve as a trainer for them.
For me it would be a fun gun.
Several people have mentioned the heavy trigger on the Smith.
I'm sure a trip to a gunsmith would fix this.
Quantrill
June 2, 2003, 09:57 AM
S&W hands down!! Quantrill
Nick96
June 2, 2003, 10:08 PM
Like V-fib, I was looking for a "trainer" for my 2.25" SP101 .357. Came very close to getting a Taurus M-94 as it was the closet current production match I could find (size & weight wise). I was fortunate to run across a 2.25" SP101 in .22 though and got it (an identical twin except for the windage adjustible rear sight).
Not to berate the Taurus M-94, but the SP101 is a much more substantial gun when compared side by side. I've been very pleased with it - and would highly recommend the current production versions. I hear the S&W's are nice. But they are considerably more expensive than the Ruger or Taurus, and none were of a configuration I was looking for.
Cooter Brown
June 6, 2003, 03:14 PM
I have a .22 LR 9-shot 94 Taurus Stainless with a 4" barrel and wouldn't exchange it for anything similar on the market. #1 on my list. This barrel length on the small frame is plenty small for sticking in your pocket or holster carry, and yet plenty big enough for accurate shooting.
raveon59
June 7, 2003, 03:10 PM
Was looking for a 22LR snubby for my daughter a few years back and found the Rossi to be the best one over all-no cylinder movement like the Tauri and no big $ like the S&W. Speaking of 22LR, has anyone evaluated the Quickshock?
jmbrowning
June 9, 2003, 08:06 AM
I picked up the S&W 317 for the exact same reasons you listed. I do own a Bicentennial Ruger Single-Six but thought it was a mite weighty for the caliber.
My model is the Kit Gun with the 3" barrel with the fiber-optic front sight. The trigger was truly a mess, but this wasn't too difficult to correct after a Wolff spring set (http://gunsprings.com/Revolver/SmithWesson_RvNF.html#S&WJ). The trigger still feels a bit stacky and uneven but it's hardly the torture it used to be. It cleaned up a bit further with some careful stoning and about four bricks of ammo.
The wheelie is a pleasure to shoot now for simple plinking. The trigger and the sights preclude fly-swatting accuracy at 25 yards, but maintaing MOSC (Minute of Shotgun Clay) at the same distance is no problem. It disappears into a vest or jacket pocket due to its incredible weight. The sticky grips are nice too, but I was thinking of upgrading to smaller laminate grips.
The one thing that astonished me, however, the first time I shot it off range though, was how loud High-Velocity 22LR is out of a pistol when you don't have hearing protection! Pack a set of foam ears.
If you'd like another opinion, try this one at GunBlast.com (http://gunblast.com/SandW_317.htm)
Have fun with whatever Kit Gun you choose. I just picked up a Walther P22 that will be put into the hiking buddy rotation. Report to follow on the appropriate forum.
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