[Blain]

Obtaining a Class A License in MA – The Trials and Tribulations

Sigh……as many of you may or may not know just recently I tried to apply for a class A license in the Socialists state of Massachusetts. Now, those of you who know MA know how extremely left wing, anti-gun, communist, socialists, pinkos they are. For those of you who don’t know, let me give a brief run down of the firearms policies of MA.

1. To obtain any type of firearm, even a BB gun, you need to obtain an FID card. You NEED an FID card to buy a firearm at all. If you have an FID card you can purchase;
- Non large capacity firearms and shotguns (doesn’t matter if they are semi or not), NO handguns at all.

To obtain an FID card you must be 18 years of age, you must fill out the detailed paperwork, you must take a 4 hour firearms safety course which costs $50, you must hand in two current photos, you must have ALL your fingerprints taken, and to top it all off, you must hand in an additional $25 to the police station. Tell me again who has the worst gun laws? ;)



2. If you wish to purchase a NON high capacity handgun, or a large capacity rifle or shotgun you need a class B license.

To obtain a class B license you need to be 21, + all the requirements needed to obtain an FID (course, money, prints, etc.) This means no high power shooting until you turn 21 (no AR’s, etc)

3.If you wish to purchase both high capacity long guns AND handguns you need a Class A license. Now, a class A license CAN also be a license to carry, IF the police chief approves it. It is totally up to his discretion if you will be able to carry with your class A, or if it will be just for target and hunting, or if he will even issue you one at all.

To obtain this license you need to do all the requirments of the previous licenses ( at age 21) and submit two in state references!


Now before I go into what happened today, I just want to make a quick point. When I first stopped by the police station to pick up the paper work to get my license the officer asked me flat out.
“What you want this license for, you want to shoot people? You want to shoot people?”

To which I replied that I didn’t want to shoot anybody. He then asks me,
“But if someone was coming after you…” to which I replied
“I would shoot to defend my life if someone threatened it, yes”

He then said, “ok” and handed me the paperwork!

Ok, now to make a long story short, I just went into the police station today to submit all the garbage that they make you do. The officer on duty looks it over and sees my reason for wanting the card, “All Lawful Purposes”. He looks at me and says, “I can not issue this to you, the card can only be for target and hunting only”.

How loving.

He reiterated that point and told me again that the police chief wouldn’t accept it unless it was for sporting and target purposes only.

I then asked him why not, to which he asked me if I had received any death threats. To which I replied no, of course. He then went on to say that the chief only issues the license as “All Lawful Purposes” to those who are either; armed security guards, working in a jewelry shop, or police officers.

He then asked me if I was going to shoot and kill someone. I said, “If I was in fear for my life, I would shoot to defend it”. He then asks me,

“Have you ever been carrying your gun in a situation where your heart was racing and you were nervous and sweating?”

When I replied with no he goes on to say,
“Well, if you do it’s a totally different situation, and if you shoot someone, you’re going to be in deep *$#% (curse word for crap).”
He then said that if I shot someone with the guns I had now, I would be in BIG trouble too!
I then told him that I would only shoot someone if I felt my life was in serious jeopardy, and that in such a situation I would rather be alive and facing legal action than dead.

So then he goes to ask me,

“Who told you to put the reason as “All Lawful Purpose”? This instructor, Peter?” (Who was the instructor for my firearm’s course, a police officer of a neighboring town who’s class I took).

I told him, “Yes!” to which he shook his head in disgust.

He then goes on to ask me if I shoot a lot, and I told him that I target shoot quite often. He then goes on to say,

“Well you need to shoot, MORE, “Blain”!!!” to which replied that I did.

We argued on and on for about this for 5 more minutes or so, I, trying to act as civilly as possible. I told him that I was applying for a job as AMSA, Armed Motor Services of America, and to be applicable for that I needed to have my class A. He argued that I needed to be an employee first with a written letter requesting the license when I told him, “No, you don’t understand, I NEED a Class A to get the job!!!

Then we both sort of dropped the arguments and he set up an appointment to get me finger printed. Note, I didn’t have him change my reason to just sporting and target, I left it as all lawful purposes so maybe, just maybe, I will be approved for that.

It should also be noted that our town is scheduled to receive a new chief of police soon….if he will be more pro gun or anti gun is anyone’s guess..

I don’t know what any of you think, but this is absolute BS!!!!!!! I am so sick and tired of being treated like a criminal here! This is why I am going to move to NH when I get out of school! If, when I go into get my prints, they give me a hard time I am going to explain how they are all being fascist tyrants who value their lives more than the lives of “lesser citizens” like myself. I will then ask them if their life is worth more than mine, and if they answer “no” than I will ask why they have special privileges to self defense that I don’t? I will then go on to tell them how they make my sick by enforcing these draconian gun control, and other, laws and that they are no different than the Nazi SS officers.

I can think of so many things to tell them, but at the end of it all I will say “This is the reason why I am moving to New Hampshire, where citizens have rights and are all treated as equal, not the sheeple of some power elite control system!

Yes, if I say this I will not get a class A at all, so no high caps for me. But, heck, I am just so fed up with this BS and I am not going to take it anymore! I’ve been civil…..now I’m going to get some service!!!!!

Now……..WHO’S WITH ME?????????

[Peetmoss]

Almost the same situation here in NY. The only real diffrence is you don't need anything to purchase a long gun other then proof your 18 or older, and the good old Nics check. Also I can buy any handgun with my permit. However the hassle is the same and getting a unrestricted carry permit is about as likley as winning the lotto in my county.

[DMK]

The officer on duty looks it over and sees my reason for wanting the card, “All Lawful Purposes”. He looks at me and says, “I can not issue this to you, the card can only be for target and hunting only”. Maybe I'm nieve, but I just don't get this. If you are going to use the gun for lawful purposes, what's their beef? :confused:

Now, about all that other crap.... :fire:

[benewton]

A good, a bad, and an ugly.

Weapons ownership and use isn't the be all and end all, although it's a significant factor, which comment, I'm sure, will get me all kinds of grief. But, to the extent that you're able to carry legally, all things being equal, NH will be much more reasonable than MA. And, of course, this is the good.


On the bad side, you'd better leave all of you "state comforts" right where you are.

No sewers, no water, no gas company piped to you house, no garbage/trash collection, well, you get my drift. Worse, in the winter, it snows, mud season in the spring, black flies...

Too, power goes out in the winter, it's cold, and no local shelters, and sometimes during the summer thunderboomers accomplish the same power outage. Maybe not be a problem if you're male and single, but, trust me on this, the female portion of the world LOVES the modern bathroom, and so will you, and quickly, if you wish to enjoy domestic life. So, you gotta do your own electric..

You now have the bad..



Now, I'm off a dirt road, which, so long as my current neighbors are in place, will stay that way. Get's ugly at times, and a 4WD of the SUV type, with good ground clearance, is sometimes the only way to get around, and, at least once in the past eight years or so, even they didn't work. No tire really works on ice, and it's worse in the hills.

But, she's back from work, more wood on the fire, then settle back and listen to Boston panic. We're home and safe, and that's what counts. Power's down, we have backup, the heat will flow, from a summer's work; you might hate the earlier sweat, but you gotta love comfort in a blizzard!


The ugly, for your transition up here, is that we're here 'cause we want things the way they are, and, nobody that I know of, sees any migration of any Mass idea as an advance.

So, if you're going to accept the good stuff, but improve the rest, please move to the Cape. If not, stay the hell out of "our" cities, of sorts, grab your chainsaw, peavey and weapons, and head north!



One final thought:

Our first weekend here, after buying the place, I figured I was far out enough, and legal, and so took 20 rounds and the M1A out the back door.

20 gone, then hide the rifle (came up from RI), and wait to see what happens.

I hear bang from the left, bang from the right, bang from far, bang from near. Everybody decided that it was a good afternoon to practice.

These days, any weapon that my neighbors haven't heard before will result in a cloud, though not as bad as the damned flies, coming over to help.
And, for lots of different reasons, that includes full auto M16s.


Like it here, and hope that the Free State project eventually arrives. Please measure up the their standards, and we'll all do just fine.

[Blain]

Maybe I'm nieve, but I just don't get this. If you are going to use the gun for lawful purposes, what's their beef?


I know, brother! In fact, good point! I think I'll use that line on them when I come in Tues to get fingerprinted.

Knowing them they’ll prob. respond with the fact that I "don't need it". Also I guess they would say that they don't trust me to carry a weapon because I'd be all nervous and scared. They would also point out that I need to shoot more, even though most of them hardly ever go target shooting and I doubt many are even proficient with their weapons.

Most of all though, I will add just how disappointed I am at the attitude of these "professional" police officers.

I do not like walking into the police station to perform a lawful act and being treated by the officers as a criminal.

Being asked if I plan on "killing people" like a crazy person and being told "If you shoot anyone you're going to be in deep #$%#" is not only unprofessional, it is disheartening and disappointing. I would think that officers of the law would be able to conduct themselves better. Very disappointing. I am completely disgusted at the treatment I have received and they way officers have addressed me. If they want to give me a hard time, I WILL undergo legal action.


Also, if anyone out there has any advice on couse of action, or what to say, anyone at all, I would REALLY appreciate it! Thanks again!

[Browns Fan]

Wow, and I thought Ohio was bad... actually it is compared to NC :barf:

[Standing Wolf]

I received a permit to carry concealed hand guns in Colorado with less hassle than that—and the nice ladies at my friendly local sheriff's department took my photograph and finger prints!

[Kingson]

Wow
You need to move to a town that has a better police chief. I got my Class A and Machine gun lisence here with no problem. I put down on the Class A, All Lawfull Puposes and he said ok. No probs or anything. He even signed my from 4 for my machine gun. There are some good Cheifs in this state. I was just lucky to pick the right town.

[Mastrogiacomo]

Christ, where the Hell do you live?:what: Try Peabody: I wanted the permit to get a job in armed security because I haven't worked in a few years -- strip clubs even aren't hiring. We have had, and it started again, rapes in the North End. I'm a women looking for restaurant work -- guess what the hours are....

I have no dark clouds in my history, no offenses, nothing. I can't get armed work without the Class A, I can't get the Class A from Peabody until I'm hired. You get this? It's like trying to get restaruant work, unarmed security work -- "You need experience to be hired, we won't give you the experience." Tried again and spent all day typing a list of employers that have rejected me for Class A work and not -- spent a whole F&^$ day typing the letter to the Chief to BEG him to see reason--- zip. Does this state suck or what?:fire: :cuss: :banghead:

[Blain]

Yep....let's say you and I move out of this town together, sweetheart. :D

[Justin]

Man, that sucks.
However, if you want to get the permit that you've applied for, I'd suggest that the best way to do it is to keep a civil tongue in your head. Don't try to engage them in civil debate. It'll just make them mad and give them a reason to not issue the permit to you. Besides, even if every cop in the building agreed with you, it's not like they can do anything about it.

You wanna do something about it? Talk to the ones making the rules. Don't fault the police, because the people that run it got 'em on a short leash.
:barf:

[Blain]

I hear what you're saying Justin, but I just don't buy that.

Were the SS officers of Nazi Germany not evil because they were simply following orders? Ever hear of the benality of evil? Just because one tells you to do something, espessially if that something is wrong and injust, does that mean you should blindly obey? I beg to differ!

[Kingson]

Mastrogiacomo
I live in West Springfield. It's a nice town. The local gun store here in town is run by the Capt. on the police force.

[Sean Cloherty]

Oh - and it is actually worse than Blain has indicated.

The police chiefs have full discretion which has been taken to mean that they can ask for anything.

My chief requires, in addition to 3 letters of reference from non-relatives who are MA residents, a letter from a doctor indicating that I am suitable for having a permit to carry concealed. He has also verbally warned me about drinking any amount of alcohol while dining out, and asked me for the location and number of guns in my house which he input into a database.

I have heard that some other town chiefs have added other burdensome restrictions and requirements as well.

When the job of making the law and the job of enforcing them are performed by the same person/agency, it can only lead to trouble.

Picking the right town is very important here.

I recommend talking with the people at GOAL and if you aren't a member, what the hell are you waiting for????

http://www.goal.org

[BryanP]

All of this makes me very glad I live in Tennessee. I hope everything works out for you in the end.

[Mastrogiacomo]

I'm ALWAYS civil when I deal with the police. The detective likes me and he has to deal with me constantly -- doesn't have a problem with me and understands my frustration. You know what the real problem is? I can't afford an attorney. I need to move -- and get a damn job first.

As far as GOAL -- understand your thinking but they won't help me get a Class A. Again, need to get the Hell out of this state.

[Sheslinger]

I am really sorry you have to deal with this. I guess I had no idea how bad some of the other states were.

Good Luck
Sheslinger

[Mastrogiacomo]

It's Communist country here. When I get a job, move -- and have the income, I intend to support the NRA, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms, and any other gun rights organization out there -- radical as they may appear or not.:scrutiny:

Appreciate what you've got.

[Justin]

Blain-

Do I agree with you that filling out that paperwork and jumping through those hoops is assinine and idiotic?
Yep, sure do.
But you've decided to abide by those rules, and as such you are now a part of a minor political game. Smile when it's appropriate, make 'em like you, and your odds of getting that permit might just increase.

What do you want me to say?
'Yeah Blain, good idea. Call that cop a tyrannical knuckle-dragging monosyllabic cretin. That'll show him.'

And then what?
Blain doesn't get his permit. Remember, you're playing a game. The cops are probably asking you all sorts of idiotic questions just to antagonize you. Blowing up and calling them goose-stepping, anti-freedom tyrants plays right into their hands. Of course, it goes without saying that abiding by both the letter and the spirit of their rules is still no guarantee that you'll get what you want.

Personally, though?
I'd get out of that place ASAP and move somewhere more freedom oriented.

[Justin]

Mastrogiacomo-

I feel for ya. It wasn't that long ago I was in a situation similar to yours, unemployed with no clue as to when or if I'd land a job. Do what you can to get out of that place.

[Ian]

There's proper responsibility, and then there's practicality. Since you still want to get the permit, the practical choice is to grovel as long as you can stand it. But you certainly shouldn't forget that the infringement of your rights is directly and irrefutably that police chief's responsibility. His job is to enforce rules made by fools, violence and fear his tools (Justin...;)). Personally, I believe that in a chain-of-command situation, like the military or a legal system, everyone involved in a crime is fully responsible, not just the person at one end of the chain (and certainly not nobody).

Blain - Do you need the permit to possess the specified equipment or merely to purchase them? Cuz' if it's only needed for purchasing, I'm such you could find a way around it...though that wouldn't help you job-wise. You could also consider ignoring the permit requirement. Yeah, it'd be a risk, but how badly do you feel the need to be able to defend yourself? Your safety is more important than some patently unjust state edict.

(Note: I do not encourage anyone to break the law. Breaking the law is baaaaad. Don't do it, not never ever.)

[Devonai]

I hate to sound like a broken record here, but...

Move to Beverly, the land of the ALP class A.

Then we can all saddle up and go shooting together!:D

[Jrob24]

Interesting that this thread came up. I just applied for a Class A today. I did the same thing last year but the issuing authority "the LT." said I lacked the necessary experience and to come back next year. So today he asked me if I work in a high risk job. I said no and that it's not just bodyguards and diamond carriers that get attacked. He said I needed to write a letter proving sufficient reason to get a CCW. Truthfully my father has a class A and doesn't work in a high risk job, leading me to assume he only gives CCW's to middle-aged wealthy types.

Being 21 the LT. is probably stereotyping me as "a young troublemaker" I'm typing the letter now but I fear it's a waste of time
:fire:

[davidtdm]

I pose this in response / in question to Sean Clohertys post.

Please forgive the ignorance here, but I thought it was ilegal to "ask for, catalog, register,etc" (for lack of better terms ) your firearms?

I'm researching a bunch of stuff on a lot of levels and I thought that this type of action was prohibited. Can some one clarify / lead me in a better direction.

Thanks

...Dave

[Blain]

Again, need to get the Hell out of this state.

Again, Mastrogiacomo, take me up on my offer. :D

I am just curious, though. If he doesn't deny me the permit, the officer who taught me the course said I could take legal action. Anyone know what type and what this can do? Thanks again.

[davidtdm]

Did you mean If he does deny you the permit, you can take legal action?

My suggestion would to be to look for a loophole so to speak in the wording of the language of the laws concerning issuance of the permit. My state is a shall issue state. I know this probably won't help in you exact situation . But if I don't receive my permit with in 90 days( I beleive) from the time I submitted my application and that I pass all required background checks, the state has to by law issue me my permit.

If this doesn't happen then I have some legal ground to stand on. Like I said I don't know if MA has such an item like that. But it would be worth your wild to find out if you haven't done so already.

...Dave

[raz-0]

well, don't be a jerk to them, you won't win. If you are going to be upset with them be polite.

They feel that they are superior, so you try to outmuscle them in the righteous department, they will just crank up the confrontational bit.

I suggest something along the lines of "Would you please stop acting in such a harrassing manner?"

It's a really lodaed phrase. If they insist they aren't, just say that they seem to be implying that you are a criminal and that you are planning to murder someone. SOmething that if a newspaper printed would be considered libel. SOmething along those lines.

Put them in a position where they have to say they are the bad guys or shut up about it.

[Combat-wombat]

Well, that's pretty bad, but i think it is better than CA because you can actually buy ARs and AKs, you just need a license.

[Blain]

I know, I have to play the polite bit. I have to use my tactics of persuasion to win them over. You brought up a lot of good points about slander and such, I mean it is more than a bit insulting to go apply for a legal license and to then be drilled by the officer if I wish to go out and kill people....just a bit.

I will say that I would except more professional treatment from law enforcement officers. To hear cops also use profanity in order to emphasize my criminal liabilities is equally disheartening. I expected better from veteran peace officers.


However, I hope to foil their plans by going with the "I need it for my job" bit. Luckily I have my interview with AMSA on Monday so I can hopefully get a letter in writing from them explaining to the chief why I need my class A to carry. I would tell them that if they wanted me for the job they would have to write such a letter. IF chiefy boy starts giving me a hard time, I can just whip out the letter. Presto, license to carry!

Let's see what unfolds....

[Gray Peterson]

Blaine: What city is this?

The reason I ask is that it would give me an indicator on where never to go. :P

If you move to New Hampshire, you can get a non-resident LTC from the state police and avoid the middle man with the chief. :p

[Blain]

*****UPDATE*****


Well I went in today to get my finger print done. I didn't know what to expect if I was going to get an interview with the chief or what.

As soon as I got there, an officer directed me toward the backroom where he took a print of my index finger on two blank Class A forms. He then told me that I was all set.

So I then asked him how long until my license comes in, he said that they would call me when it comes in.


Now, I am not sure what this all means. Am I approved? Do they wait and approve me latter? Could they deny me by never sending it in and not telling me about it?

I suppose I shall wait and see. If after a month I still hear no word, I will call them asking what the deal is. I hope I have been approved....I suppose that only time will tell.

[mattjoe]

Blain- I too am in MA, however, i have had my class A since it went from being just permit to carry to all those other silly classifications requiring different levels to own certain guns. I am curious if you approach it with, I want to buy a relatives gun which is capable of accepting high capacity magazines- this requires the Class A license, I already had most of mine when I moved to MA from RI- which I believe has far worse gun laws than MA, at least we can get the license here.

As for all lawful purposes, yes, i would recommend you stick to trying to get that one, but keep this in your back pocket and dont use it- there is a court ruling which basically says- a permit to carry is a permit to carry, so those little qualifying reasons they stick on it wont hold up in court, but if you got caught carrying by an anti gun cop during something like a traffic stop, you're going to have a problem, one that will only be cleared up through litigation.

I am a lawyer, and of course have other lawyer friends, and one just happens to specialize in carry permit challenges.
So, wait it out, see what happens, give it 6 weeks.
My renewal turn around time took like 6 weeks, i imagine a new permit will take about as long, a buddy of mine has been waiting 1 month as of today.

If you have problems, send me a message.

[Blain]

Thanks for the info, man, I appreciate the help! So a class A gives you the ability to carry no matter what the reason says on the license itself? Cool.

[Devonai]

but keep this in your back pocket and dont use it- there is a court ruling which basically says- a permit to carry is a permit to carry, so those little qualifying reasons they stick on it wont hold up in court, but if you got caught carrying by an anti gun cop during something like a traffic stop, you're going to have a problem, one that will only be cleared up through litigation.

Are you sure?

Please review the following section:

Massachusetts General Laws (http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/140-131.htm)

Paragraph A part ii seems quite clear to me.

[mattjoe]

nothing in that law is ever clear. I'll get in touch with my friend who litigates this stuff, and try to get you the case cite.

[owen]

Blain, they should have told you about your legal recourse in your class.

If you are denied a permit, you have 30 (90?) days to appeal the decision in a court of law. The permit must be denied. A court will not hear your appeal if you are complaining about the reason for issuance.

Owen (MA ex-pat)

[Partisan Ranger]

My sympathies to our 2nd Amendment brothers and sisters in the People's Republic of Mass.

I know we often have to live in states where we don't wish to, or didn't realize the anti-gun bias of a state we moved into.

But I swear before God I will never reside in a state that isn't 'shall issue.'

Virginia is pretty gun-friendly, but they do have some dumb ??? laws, like the one that says you can't carry concealed in a restaurant that serves alcohol. The semi-reasonable side of me can almost understand no guns in bars, but no guns in Fridays? Give me a break!

[Blain]

Any word so far, mattjoe?

[fish2xs]

Yep, the PRM has struck again.

Blain, what town are you applying in? How old are you?

Your chances are better the older and further away from Boston you are. As far as the specifics of the town, you basically have to spin the wheel to see how much of a hassle it will be to get "All Lawful Purposes".

Some towns may only provide hunting/target only until you re-apply 4 years hence without having shot anyone. Getting a connected attorney familiar w/ LTC's may help you.

One thing that helped me is that I read "In the Gravest Extreme" by Ayoob or somebody. It explains (generally) what happens after the bullets stop flying and the smoke clears. After reading this I was able to 'correctly' answer any questions posed to me. However, I did not go through the BS you did. I live in N. Andover and did not get an ALP LTC, but I did get the Class A High capacity.

Lastly, stay and fight! Read and learn. Obey the current rules and work to get them changed. Join GOAL, NRA and a gun club.
Be active and VOTE!!! Write your reps! I write about 20+ letters a year to local, state and federal elected officials. If you are not willing to be part of the solution, then you are part of the problem - in this case the problem is not enough MA residents are making a big enough stink! The MA commies have one foot in the door. The time to slam it shut is now!

...sorry, I went off on a rant!

[shermacman]

Blain, as a fellow Massachusetts resident I respectfully ask you to take a deep breath for the next 45 days. The licensing procedure winds its way through Federal, state, county and local approvals. All of which depend on the licensing officer of your home town. If he sent it in it will be approved. It will take 45 days. Don't call him after 30 days. Believe me! The best way to derail this process is to get all bent out of shape about how fast it takes. He will intervene and you will be judged too much of a hot head to carry. He is testing you. That is the way the process works. To be honest you come across in your posts as too fired up. Slow down, calm down. You will have this permit for the rest of your life. He wanted to see how pissed off you get when challenged. He will assume that you drive the same way. How are you going to handle the jerk who cuts you off in the mall parking lot at Christmas? Grit your teeth and park elsewhere. The cop wants to see if you are the type to pull your carry in a parking lot.

[Sean Cloherty]

Shermacman:

"You will have this permit for the rest of your life."

If only that were true. They expire in 4 years. Unlike the FID for $2.00 which is good for life! :mad:

[shermacman]

Yes, true but the renewal is automatic. The townies know that GOAL will sue and win for a permit denied with out reason. Look, I know this is a pain in the neck, I also know how to read the Constitution. I recognize the absurdity of begging a town cop for a God given right. But I also recognize that we need to organize, vote and fight for these rights. We have let our God given Constitutional rights be trampled on. And that means choosing our battles. Barking Constitutional law to a town cop is a sure-fire loss.

[DF357]

waddaya mean the renewal is automatic ?? Mine is coming up for expiration in Aug and I applied for the renewal already. Was told 6-8 weeks. I had to fill out 4 pages of info, exactly the same as my original request only this time I checked the renewal box and put my current license number instead of checking the new application box. After filling out the 4 pages, with required references, employer, sworn statement about sanity, criminal past etc and specifying my mother's maiden name, I was then fingerprinted (11 fingers - index finger twice !) again, photoed again and sent on my way.

There ain't nuttin automatic about it.

[shermacman]

***???
In Hingham you go in, say Hi to the licensing officer, they re-photograph you, they ask you to swear that you have been a good boy and the new permit comes before the old one expires. It took me the same 45 days as my first. Did they run the CORI record on you again?

[Jrob24]

****UPDATE****

For anyone who's interested, In the town of Wayland I just got my rejection letter as expected. This proves beyond all doubt the lieutenant is an elitist jerk, only giving Class A's to rich middle-aged guys. Tomorow I will file an appeal in the district court. Hopefully my logical argument plus a reasonable judge will grant me victory. More to follow....

[Blain]

Obey the current rules


.....how about.....NO!


shermacman, if I shouldn't call them about the license after 30 days, how many days should I wait to call them about it? What if nothing happens after 45 days or 60?

I have heard that it takes the class As longer to get back to you now with all the layoffs happening around the state. I believe a gun dealer told me that one guy waited 3 months or so for his license!

[mattjoe]

BLAIN-i have to apologize- the info I mentioned about the court case that said a carry permit was a carry permit, is old law which is over ruled by the wording in chapter 180.

However if you do get denied, or you know anyone else who does get denied, and wishes to appeal, i can refer you to my friend who litigates these.

[Blain]

I would appreciate that, Matt. I'll let you know how it tuns out.

[Blain]

Well today I got a call saying that my class A was in! I couldn't believe it, only a week after I turned it in I got it back! Since it usually takes a month or more, this was quite a pleasant surprise. Anyway, I went to pick up the card, when I recieved the card I took a look to see what the "reason" would state.....


It said "Sport and Target".............


I never put that as my reason for having the card, they changed it on me! Now I can not carry concealed.....oh well. I suppose it could be worse. I could not have the card at all, as many in this state don't. I suppose I should count my blessings for that. Besides, I leave this state in two years anyway, so I suppose it isn't that important. I also suppose I can still carry and just plan not to get caught.

Also, a new police chief is coming in to replace the old one. He may be more pro gun so maybe I could "upgrade" it.

[brookstexas]

Write "To fufill my Second Amendment Obligations" per the Constitution, as you are in the Militia.
Nawww, he would probably just say "What's that?"...

[Blain]

Heh, if I put a smart alick comment like that I woudn't even be approved for the license....not that the thought hadn't crossed my mind....:D

[willyjixx]

Blain:

i have to say i feel really bad for you an believe your getting railroaded. i also believe it is a scare tactic by that cop. if he can rile you enough an piss you off he can anotate your lack of maturity in a situation where someone might intentionaly be trying to piss you off. stand your ground an hold your tongue man!


heres a bit of irony for you. After 5 years of active duty infantry i left with an honorable discharge on to bigger an better things in life. well after a little travelling i applied for a job at loomis fargo armored car company. i needed a sherriffs card an a firearms safety/instruction course to get the job. all paid by them. the safety course was a breeze an the instructor an i had many converstations (even ended up coaching/watching some of the other students) an i asked about classes for my CCW. he told me bring em the paper an a 100 rds we would go over defensinve firing an tac reloads an hed sign!:D damned if i didnt jump on that.
so anyways i turn in the paperwork for the sherrifs card. a few days later i turned in the CCW paperwork an my fees for that.

i had a minor in possesion of alcahol charge an arrest when i was 19 in the Army. didnt get the sherrifs card cuz i posed a "Risk" in the armored car field. fought it got it nuff said.

however got my CCW no questions asked? oh yeah had to wait for a board of trusted people to see if i was worthy of the mighty sherrifs card. got that after the CCW...............


like i said dude the irony of it all shows the ignorance of some.