Wanta Hunta Wolf?


Baba Louie
January 12, 2007, 01:36 PM

By JESSE HARLAN ALDERMAN, Associated Press Writer
Thu Jan 11, 10:46 PM ET

BOISE, Idaho - Idaho's governor said Thursday he will support public hunts to kill all but 100 of the state's gray wolves after the federal government strips them of protection under the Endangered Species Act.
Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter told The Associated Press that he wants hunters to kill about 550 gray wolves. That would leave about 100 wolves, or 10 packs, according to a population estimate by state wildlife officials.

The 100 surviving wolves would be the minimum before the animals could again be considered endangered.

"I'm prepared to bid for that first ticket to shoot a wolf myself," Otter said earlier Thursday during a rally of about 300 hunters.

Otter complained that wolves are rapidly killing elk and other animals essential to Idaho's multimillion-dollar hunting industry. The hunters, many wearing camouflage clothing and blaze-orange caps, applauded wildly during his comments.

Suzanne Stone, a spokeswoman for the advocacy group Defenders of Wildlife in Boise, said Otter's proposal would return wolves to the verge of eradication.

"Essentially he has confirmed our worst fears for the state of Idaho: That this would be a political rather than a biological management of the wolf population," Stone said. "There's no economic or ecological reason for maintaining such low numbers. It's simple persecution."

Wolves were reintroduced to the northern Rocky Mountains a decade ago after being hunted to near-extinction. More than 1,200 now live in the region.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service plans to start removing federal protections from gray wolves in Montana and Idaho in the next few weeks.

A plan drafted by Idaho's wildlife agency calls for maintaining a minimum of 15 wolf packs higher than Otter's proposal of 10 packs.

Jeff Allen, a policy adviser for the state Office of Species Conservation, said 15 wolf packs would allow "a cushion" between the surviving wolf population and the minimum number that federal biologists would allow before the animals are again considered endangered.

Allen said Otter and state wildlife officials agree on wolf strategy and will be able to reach a consensus on specific numbers.

"You don't want to be too close to 10 because all of a sudden when one (wolf) is hit by a car or taken in defense of property, you're back on the list," Allen said.

Any pros or cons on this? On one hand, elk, deer, etc. On the other, vanishing predators, yada yada.
Any way to stike a win/win balance? Or is that what the gov is (ahem) shooting for?

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January 12, 2007, 01:50 PM
So where do Wolves fit in the scheme of predators?

If the wolves go away do the coyotes take over? Or is it feral dogs?

Why did the early Settlers try to eradicate wolves?

Inquiring minds,,blah, blah!:scrutiny: :scrutiny:

January 12, 2007, 01:51 PM
It's the same old vile pandering, and the idiots are eating it up. Guys like this gov. are as bad as the enviros. Both have extremely immature attitudes towards the predators. The Treadwell types want to hug them, and these guys want to slaughter as many as possible.

Baba Louie
January 12, 2007, 02:09 PM
Somewhere there's gotta be a fine line to tread where all three (man, 4-legged predator and prey) can co-exist. Maybe. Maybe not. Ethical dilemma.

Where I like the idea of wolves in the wild, they gotta eat something. Every day. Elk tastes good. So does deer.

Be interesting to know the statistics involved. Gonna have to hunt up Idaho's Dept of Fish & Game and see if they've got any thoughts or words of wisdom...

January 12, 2007, 08:48 PM
No matter what Gov. "Butch" of Idaho thinks. That was about the most stupid thing he could have said. He has just probably set the declassification process of the wolf back about 100 years.


January 12, 2007, 09:01 PM
H&H got it right. I want to go plug a couple of those furballs, too. But now we'll never get a chance to (legally) kill some.

Moron. Shouldv'e kept his mouth shut, let 'em get delisted and then open season, baby.

January 13, 2007, 01:03 AM
Arrrrrggggghhhhh:cuss: :cuss: :banghead: :banghead:
Why, oh why, do doorknobs like this have to open their mouth.

Yes, I'd hunt wolf. Although I've never hunted them, I'm sure it would be a challenging hunt. In Michigan, our wolf population has gotten to the point
where a hunt could be started. Although I would not want to see the population drop to 100 animals!!!

We know it would have to be deregulated first, and second, it would be up to the states wildlife biologests to determine how many animals could be taken.


January 13, 2007, 03:11 PM
There's a big difference between hunting and extermination.

Baba Louie
January 13, 2007, 06:19 PM
There's a big difference between hunting and extermination.
From their own website I find this...If Idaho Fish and Game finds that wolves are lowering elk or deer herds too much, Fish and Game may be allowed to remove some wolves.and Wolves are now part of Idaho's landscape, and an animal that we need to manage. As the wolf population increases, conflicts between wolves and people will happen. Managing wolves will always be necessary to help lower and reduce conflicts with people.
OK, it's from one of their kids publications called "Wildlife Express" I found on the IF&G website. Certainly makes sense to me.
So the question is, will culling 80% be enough or too much? I guess the answer depends on if you're a hunter, a rancher or... not. I wonder if IF&G will echo their boss or will sing a different tune than their published educational brochure and also I wonder, what IS the magical number based on ethics and economics?

January 14, 2007, 02:19 PM
There are a lot of people in Idaho that want to see the wolves gone because they make it "too hard" for them to get an elk. Personally I don't have a problem with wolves and was glad to see them reintroduced, though I do believe they should be responsibly managed just like any other animal.

For only being in office a little while Butch has put his foot in his mouth already (he was partially sucking up to the crowd of that was mostly anti-wolf) though he is better than the governor had who has now gone back to being the lieutenant governor.

It is kind of funny to watch the over the top anti hunters go crazy about this though :D.

January 14, 2007, 03:51 PM
In fairness, I think wolves and brown bears need to be reintroduced to California, Oregon and Washington as well as the mountain states.

January 14, 2007, 06:42 PM
I think wolves and brown bears need to be reintroduced to California, Oregon and Washington I was thinkin' that they should be introduced to every community within seventy five miles of I-95. :evil:

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