Mitt Romney Touts Gun Rights


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lacoochee
January 14, 2007, 01:25 PM
Former Gov. of Massachusetts says he is supporter of second amendment while at Shot Show in Orlando...Lol, no comments required.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/1/13/131410.shtml?s=po

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geekWithA.45
January 14, 2007, 01:31 PM
RKBA.
Massachussets.

Inconsistency detected.

Does not compute.

Warp core breach imminent.

Boomph. {puffs smoke, cpu keels over dead}

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Mitt_Romney_Gun_Control.htm

kd7nqb
January 14, 2007, 01:33 PM
Romney actually has a history of being pro-gun. He is the reason Mass residents can actually transport firearms in their vehicles.

lacoochee
January 14, 2007, 01:36 PM
If not, I don't want him, I already compromised twice when I voted for Pres. Bush, I won't do so again.

Hoppy590
January 14, 2007, 01:37 PM
hes not as bad as the rest of the shmucks here. but hes not as good as people else where. only way hed get my vote is if hes against Comrade Clinton

SomeKid
January 14, 2007, 02:06 PM
Wasn't he the same dirtbag that SIGNED the MA AWB? We know for a fact he is like Bush and will not veto a Fed AWB. He is worthless. In a race with Ron Paul, and a few other good ones, Romney can go ____ himself for all I care.

Dan from MI
January 14, 2007, 02:22 PM
We could do worse (McCain). We could also do much better on this issue.

Jim Gilmore, Duncan Hunter, Ron Paul, Brownback, Huckabee, Tancredo, and Newt are probably better too.

And if Mike Pence or Mark Sanford run, they would be better too.

tellner
January 14, 2007, 02:37 PM
Romney was a liberal Republican for years. Now that he wants to be President he's trying to shine up his conservative credentials. Gay marriage? Yes back then. No now. Guns? No then. Yes now. Hypocrite? Maybe then. Certainly now.

mordechaianiliewicz
January 14, 2007, 02:44 PM
I like Somekid's remarks about this. Compared to Ron Paul (or well any of the other candidates save maybe, John McCain), Romney can ____ himself!

highlander 5
January 14, 2007, 02:51 PM
Take it from a Ma resident Romney screwed us good we STILL have the state equivalent of the Fed ASW made no attempt to even things out here for us gun
owners

ConstitutionCowboy
January 14, 2007, 03:10 PM
...some sort of epiphany, or confesses to feigned liberalism to get elected in Massachusetts, I don't want to hear it. There is nothing like getting screwed by someone who misrepresents him(her)self to get elected, then misrepresents you when they get in office. As it stands right now, I'm highly dubious of Mitt Romney.

With Ron Paul stepping up to run as a Republican(a party that might give him a chance at the big desk), we won't need someone like Romney.

Woody

How you prepare yourself today is all you'll have to defend yourself tomorrow. B.E. Wood

22-rimfire
January 14, 2007, 03:13 PM
Romney may well be the best the Republicans can field in the next presidential election. How about another Bush (Jeb)? Lots of time for the dust to settle.

It is beyond me to understand how someone like Ted Kennedy gets re-elected time after time, even in MA. I would guess it is call "pork" or "bringin home the bacon".

hqmhqm
January 14, 2007, 03:23 PM
Discussion over at Northeast Shooters forum (lots of MA residents who know Romney's tricks quite well)

I cannot believe anyone would be such a chump as to vote for this empty suit. His claim to fame before running for Governor was being an executive for the Olympics. Just what we need, someone who has experience running a corrupt venal organization that has accountability to nobody.

http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=15174&highlight=romney

tellner
January 14, 2007, 03:37 PM
At least Kennedy seems to represent the feelings and values of his constituents. He's been consistent, and they've continued to consistently vote for him. Romney is a weather vane.

Lone_Gunman
January 14, 2007, 04:16 PM
If he's popular enough in Massachussetts to get elected governor, there is no way I would ever vote for him.

MikePGS
January 14, 2007, 04:31 PM
I think Ron Paul is possibly the only republican i would ever vote for, but in fairness i vote libertarian, something he's frequently been accused of being.

ProguninTN
January 14, 2007, 04:45 PM
He's a phony. He is another liberal republican like Rudy Giuliani or Lincoln Chafee. He knows gun control won't fly outside MA. I think Woody said it best.

Cosmoline
January 14, 2007, 04:49 PM
I'll give him a fair shot, but I'm deeply skeptical. I want unambiguous position statements and a clear rejection of the Mass approach. Yarns about how he shot bunnies as a kid and photo ops in camo are fine, but don't really mean much.

ccarnel
January 14, 2007, 04:49 PM
Funny thing is a few articles noted which booths he attended. Note none of them were bushmaster/DPMS/Magpul/RRA/Barrett or otherwise

The list went more like this
smith and wesson, springfield, ruger

He's skating the thin political ice. Almost like John Kerry hunting....

Outlaws
January 14, 2007, 04:54 PM
"As a boy, I worked on a ranch in Idaho and shot rabbits with a single shot .22 rifle," Romney said. "After a while my cousin said 'you're not very good at that. Try using this semiautomatic.'"

Romney said he once owned a pistol, but doesn't own any firearms now.

Didn't Kerry pull this stunt? Has anyone seen Kerry out hunting since then?

Car Knocker
January 14, 2007, 04:59 PM
I cannot believe anyone would be such a chump as to vote for this empty suit. His claim to fame before running for Governor was being an executive for the Olympics. Just what we need, someone who has experience running a corrupt venal organization that has accountability to nobody.

Perhaps you should research what Romney actually did in the 2002 Winter Olympics before you make that statement. Cite specifics, please, regarding any corruption he was personally involved in? As I recall, Romney's position was extremely accountable and all the fiscal promises and commitments were met.

cbsbyte
January 14, 2007, 05:26 PM
Wasn't he the same dirtbag that SIGNED the MA AWB?

We have had a AWB law, which closely mirrors the expired Federal law, in this state since 1994. Though the Mass AWB does not have a sunset clause, a bill was introduced in 2004, in our legislature that would have further restricted "AWs" in this state. It was a complete rewrite of the original bill with stricter language. It did not make it through the Democrat legislature as written and was redrawn to minic the first original 1994 law, with a few language clear ups. Romney signed the new bill into law which is really only a rewrite of the 1994 bill, with some clearing up on the language. We did not get a new stricter law, just the status quo. No ground was lost, and a bit gained.

No anti-gun bills ever really made it to his desk during the four years, so we can't say he was good or bad. He also did not push for gun control. He did sign a few bills that helped out sportsman. I bet if they did land on his desk he would have signed them like every other Republican Governor before him.

Romney was overall good for Mass, but by the end of four years he had butted heads with too many powerbrokers in Boston, and he was on the outs with the Dem controlled legislature. He probably would have lost in 2006. This state has become more liberal over the pass few years because of the hot button national topics such as the Iraq war, and other Bush screw ups. Even Republicans in this state are anti-war.

Personally, I would not vote for him for US President. He is a classic big government, anti personal rights, Republican who cares more about corporation rights than ours. At least in Mass he was heavly restricted by the Democrat controlled legislature on what he could do as Governor.

From the article.Romney said he once owned a pistol, but doesn't own any firearms now.

Thats all you need to know about him. Never trust a politican that says they support the RKBA, but don't own any firearms.

Ray P
January 14, 2007, 05:48 PM
Romney may well be the best the Republicans can field in the next presidential election. How about another Bush (Jeb)? Lots of time for the dust to settle.


I was hoping Laura Bush could talk Condoleeza Rice into running. Dr Rice clearly understands that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0505/11/lkl.01.html) (link is long; search for "guns").

But that won't happen. After all, Condi is childless (http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2007/01/14/#a003968), and therefore unqualified (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/1/11/163548.shtml?s=lh).

"Impeach Bush. Cheney 2007"

Manedwolf
January 14, 2007, 06:47 PM
Romney is a moron who thinks that if he says whatever he thinks his hoped-for voters want to hear NOW, that there's no such thing as the Internet to let them look up what he said THEN. Even if they don't remember...which most do.

He's not fooling anyone.

And ask any fiscal conservative if they'd like national public works projects done like the Big Dig.

Bartholomew Roberts
January 14, 2007, 07:13 PM
Even guys like Kerry who voted for Kennedy's ban on .30-30 ammo (among pretty much every other centerfire rifle caliber) claim to support the Second Amendment... too bad they never explain what they think the Second Amendment means when they discuss it.

My rule of thumb is that if you follow your "I support the Second Amendment." claim with a discussion of how you used to hunt rabbits/quail/deer/ etc. as a young man then you don't have a clue about the Second Amendment.

Caimlas
January 14, 2007, 07:20 PM
A popular meme is appropriate here...

"It's a trap!"

The man is a stout supporter of the AWB and other gun control measures, for chrisakes!

gezzer
January 14, 2007, 07:37 PM
Kerry tried the same thing. Do MA*(*& Think we are that Stupid?

the pistolero
January 14, 2007, 07:44 PM
"I support the right of individuals to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution," said Romney, former governor of Massachusetts.

I do not think the Second Amendment means what Romney thinks it means.
And do any of y'all think your intelligence is being insulted every time people like Mitt Romney, John Kerry, et al., come out and try to paint themselves as friendly to gun owners when their rhetoric and records practically scream the exact opposite? I know that's how I'm left feeling, and it really burns me up. :mad:

LAR-15
January 14, 2007, 09:38 PM
He's from MA, a state that generally hates gun ownership

Standing Wolf
January 14, 2007, 09:41 PM
I'd sooner vote for a communist than a RINO: at least the communist is honest about his hatred of America.

Glockfan.45
January 14, 2007, 09:59 PM
I support the right of individuals to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the U.S. Constitutionhttp://www.smilieshq.com/smilies/happy0194.gif (http://www.smilieshq.com)

thexrayboy
January 14, 2007, 11:01 PM
Romney touting support for the 2A? Hold the phone.....I need to go outside and see if hell is through freezing over.

:barf: Oops, sorry but the older I get the more allergic to BS I become.

Hypnogator
January 14, 2007, 11:23 PM
I need to go outside and see if hell is through freezing over.

Well, hell may not be, but Phoenix certainly is, and that's almost as rare. :neener:

If it comes to a choice between Romney and Clinton or Obama, I'll have to hold my nose and throw in with Romney. Hope the Republicans can come up with someone a lot more palatable.

cbsbyte
January 14, 2007, 11:29 PM
He's from MA, a state that generally hates gun ownership

I didn't know states can hate anything. Anyway, if you meant the citizens or politicans of the state. All I can say is that is a very general statement. I know plenty of people who live in this state, who are not conservative, that hold dear the ideals of the founding fathers. Which is far more than I can say of the current republicans and most conservatives. Yes, Bostonians(and other large urban populations) may run the state, but not all of us are subjects to them.

jeepmor
January 14, 2007, 11:42 PM
Romney said he once owned a pistol, but doesn't own any firearms now.


Is that a red flag or what? At least we know Cheney owns guns. Can't say I'd trust him unless I was an oil executive, but we know he actually hunts.

My stance is this, if you support the second amendment, you own firearms. period!!

KnifeLawGuy
January 15, 2007, 12:09 AM
Here's a link to an article from Saturday's Boston Globe related to Mitt Romney's newfound support of the right to keep and bear arms:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/01/14/romney_retreats_on_gun_control/

Seems to me Mr. Romney's new position supporting gun rights appears to be at odds with some of his prior positions and statements.

Some quotes from the article:

...

In his 1994 US Senate run, Romney backed two gun-control measures strongly opposed by the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights groups: the Brady Bill, which imposed a five-day waiting period on gun sales, and a ban on certain assault weapons.

...

At another campaign stop that year, he told reporters: "I don't line up with the NRA."

And as the GOP gubernatorial candidate in 2002, Romney lauded the state's strong laws during a debate against Democrat Shannon O'Brien. "We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them," he said. "I won't chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety."

Today, as he explores a presidential bid, Romney is sending a very different message on gun issues, which are far more prominent in Republican national politics than in Massachusetts.

He now touts his work as governor to ease restrictions on gun owners. He proudly describes himself as a member of the NRA -- though his campaign won't say when he joined. And Friday, at his campaign's request, top officials of the NRA and the National Shooting Sports Foundation led him around one of the country's biggest gun shows.

Romney says he still backs the ban on assault weapons, but he won't say whether he stands by the Brady Bill. And after the gun show tour, his campaign declined to say whether he would still describe himself as a supporter of tough gun laws.

...

Asked by reporters at the gun show Friday whether he personally owned the gun, Romney said he did not. He said one of his sons, Josh, keeps two guns at the family vacation home in Utah, and he uses them "from time to time." The guns are a Winchester hunting rifle and a Glock 9mm handgun, which Romney uses for target shooting . Romney also described himself as a sportsman who learned to shoot as a boy rabbit hunting in Idaho with a .22 rifle. He fondly recalled shooting quail last year at a Republican Governors Association event in Georgia.

...

But perhaps the most significant gun legislation Romney signed as governor was a 2004 measure instituting a permanent ban on assault weapons. The Legislature mirrored the law after the federal assault weapons ban, which was set to expire. According to activists at the time, the bill made Massachusetts the first state to enact its own such ban, and Romney hailed the move.

"These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense," he was quoted as saying. "They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

While owning a gun is certainly not a prerequisite to supporting the right to keep and bear arms, it does seem a trifle unusual, especially for a Republican with presidential aspirations.

To remedy this firearms ownership deficiency, we may perhaps soon see photo ops of the urbane Mr. Romney out shopping for a handgun, shotgun (a fine over-under, perhaps), and rifle (so long as it's not an evil "assault weapon"). Smile for the camera, Mitt. Next, photo ops of him out bird huntin', a la John Kerry, and regaling us with Kerry-like nostalgic stories of crawling on his belly "hunting deer." (See, e.g., http://www.nssf.org/news/fromBP.cfm?BPseq=20&AoI=hunting, or http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=241516). Let the games begin!


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vito
January 15, 2007, 08:02 AM
The likelihood of anyone except Romney, McCain, and possibly Guliani getting the Republican nomination is minimal at best. All of the leading Democrats are strongly anti-gun, and anti-2nd Amendment, including Queen Hilary and Barack Obama. I know you Libertarians don't want to acknowledge this, but voting Libertarian is more than throwing away your vote, its a plus for the Democrats. Of course I would like to see a clearly pro-2nd Amendment President, but I would take a Romney or McCain any day over a Clinton or Obama (if you don't know much about Obama, thank the national media who have clearly avoided broadcasting his extreme left wing voting record while a State Senator in Illinois. He is a part of the totally corrupt Chicago political Democrat machine, who voted almost 100% for any union backed legislation, fully support Mayor Daley in his anti-gun tirades, and is probably closer to being a true socialist supporter than any of the other leading Democrats).

Shanghai McCoy
January 15, 2007, 08:11 AM
So what you are saying is that our choices will be either left leaning liberal republikrats or the "arise ye workers and unite" demokrats....great :banghead:

calzoom
January 15, 2007, 08:40 AM
Pretty much says it:uhoh:

Lone_Gunman
January 15, 2007, 08:42 AM
I would take a Romney or McCain any day over a Clinton or Obama

It really would not matter to me.

Manedwolf
January 15, 2007, 08:45 AM
I would take a Romney or McCain any day over a Clinton or Obama

Is it better to have your enemies in front of you where you can see them, or behind you, where they can stab you in the back?

Alexfubar
January 15, 2007, 08:50 AM
Yup. A bad Republican or a bad Democrat. I'll take Romney over Any Democrat. I live in Mass and have learned what it means to have no representation in my Government.

I used to write my Congressman. He'd reply ( in a form letter ) "Thank you but I disagree, go F--- yourself." I never bothered with our Senators.

For what it's worth , there are a few States worse off than mine. IF you are LUCKY enough to live in a town with pro 2A /RKBA Police Chief , then we can buy things enough to get by with. I bought both a new Bushmaster and an imported RomAK last year. Can carry anywhere ( including bars ) except schools and the federal restrictions we all live with. But there is real reason why we are considered anti gun. And Romney was NO help turning that around.

Hypocrite ? Yes , He's a politician. But don't bet on any Democrat improving the situation. Guliani , McCain , Romney - ... I'll take Romney. And won't like it.

LanEvo`
January 15, 2007, 09:31 AM
I know you Libertarians don't want to acknowledge this, but voting Libertarian is more than throwing away your vote, its a plus for the Democrats.That all depends on which state you live in. I grew up in New Jersey, which is strongly Democratic. NJ will always have a strong Democratic majority...thus, all our Electoral Votes will always go to the Dems. So, thanks to the United States Electoral College system, my vote basically doesn't count.

So, I really don't see any harm in voting Libertarian (in fact, I do vote Libertarian). Whichever way I vote, it will not sway our state Electors anyway. But at least I can send a message that I support the Libertarian Party. Unfortunately, that's the best we can do for the time being :(

hoji
January 15, 2007, 11:19 AM
The question is would he veto another stupid AWB?

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Sure you would.

cbsbyte
January 15, 2007, 02:01 PM
But perhaps the most significant gun legislation Romney signed as governor was a 2004 measure instituting a permanent ban on assault weapons. The Legislature mirrored the law after the federal assault weapons ban, which was set to expire. According to activists at the time, the bill made Massachusetts the first state to enact its own such ban, and Romney hailed the move.

That quote from the article in the Boston globe posted above is completely inaccurate. We had a state AWB since 1994, and it never was set to sunset. The antis wanted a stricter version which did not make it through the legislature in 2004.

Dan from MI
January 15, 2007, 05:33 PM
The likelihood of anyone except Romney, McCain, and possibly Guliani getting the Republican nomination is minimal at best.

And how do you base this statement? I remember when Liddy Dole was supposed to be the nominee for 2000. We don't have any elections for at least a year. Now is the time to make sure that we back someone better.

As far as Romney and McCain goes, I'll probably back Romney over Hillary or Obama, but McCain - NEVER! He's worse than the two as he hates all freedoms completely.

Prince Yamato
January 15, 2007, 07:15 PM
ooh Romney changed his colors and now is pro-gun. Yes, everybody start complaining how he's not Badnarik. Look, you're NEVER going to get a 2A literalist in office in 2008. So think of what your options are and vote for that person. I know the 2A isn't about compromise, but for 2008, your vote will be. I don't like it, most of you don't either, but that's what it is. Sure you can throw your vote away and proudly declare that you voted for a third party, but that'll only get Hillary elected. I'll take Romney over a Socialist any day.

Erebus
January 15, 2007, 07:18 PM
It is beyond me to understand how someone like Ted Kennedy gets re-elected time after time, even in MA. Funny thing is I have never met anyone that would admit they voted for him. When ever someone asks around everyone claims they voted against him, but he still wins. So that means people are voting for him and are ashamed to admit it.

If you think that staying home in '08 and letting a D win the White House is better than voting for an unsavory R than you are in for a real shock. Take that from someone that lives in a now D ruled state. Check out http://www.boston.com occasionally to see the kind of madness that is being pushed on us now that they can get anything through that they want.

Deval has already promised "one gun a month" and other "common sence" gun laws. And instead of dealing with crime problems in MA he blames them on the weak gun laws of surrounding states. (http://www.devalpatrick.com/issues_safety.cfm) So guess who's gun laws he plans on effecting next? Go ahead let a D get into the White House. The mayor of Boston is going to the new D dominated Congress directly to get some more "common sence" gun laws passed. (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/01/10/boston_to_press_congress_for_tougher_gun_laws/)

So go ahead let a D win the White House and see how that works out for you. Pelosi can't wait to bring San Francisco values to the rest of the country. And Menino can't wait to bring Boston values to the rest of the country.

ArfinGreebly
January 15, 2007, 08:07 PM
Romney:
I support the right of individuals to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution

Inigo Montoya:
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Which word?

INDIVIDUALS
RIGHT
ARMS
GUARANTEED
CONSTITUTION

Basically, take your pick.

thexrayboy
January 15, 2007, 11:36 PM
And my candidate for office in 2008.....

None of the Above.

It would appear to be a case of being between the devil and the deep blue sea. Lets say we all pick up our collective toys and go home. Lets tell Congress and the White House that we are gonna sit out the next cycle, they can all go on vacation and we'll see if we can get by for another 2-4 years without any more laws at all being passed. I'm hard pressed to see how having nobody at the helm in Washington would be any worse than what we have now and as choices in the future. I bet the country can run on autopilot for a while so we can all catch our collective breaths.

stevelyn
January 16, 2007, 04:18 AM
Mitt Romney Touts Gun Rights

Mitt Romney is a political chameleon assuming the colors he thinks he needs to get your vote.:barf:

3 Truths:

1) Leopards don't lose their spots.
2) Sexual predators and pedophiles don't rehabilitate.
3) Gun grabbers don't become 2A activists and supporters.:barf:

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