Colt 1908 Pocket in... .45ACP??? Debuted at SHOT Show?


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MatthewVanitas
January 14, 2007, 05:13 PM
From: http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/

Anyhow, I'm going to try again tonight, and if it doesn't work I'm going to wait until I get back to my desktop tomorrow and put the stuff up...stuff like Cylinder & Slide's custom 1908 Colt Pocket Model in...,45 ACP

Is he serious?

-MV

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Jim Watson
January 14, 2007, 10:24 PM
Looks like mostly 1911 parts with the back of the slide built up to enclose the hammer. I said to the assistant that it looked like a technological tour de force. I doubt it is meant for regular sales and would no doubt be hideously expensive on a one off basis like that one. I have seen a picture of the 1908 Army hammerless .45 prototype and it is not a faithful copy.

Buck Nekkid
January 15, 2007, 02:29 AM
Here's a pic of a really nice 1908 Colt Vest Pocket. Do you mean that it looks like this, but chambers a .45 ACP?? If so, I WANT ONE!!

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/Colt1908Engraved.jpg

RyanM
January 15, 2007, 05:28 AM
Most likely not the 1908 Vest Pocket .25, but the 1908 Pocket Hammerless, originally in .380.

Cosmoline
January 15, 2007, 06:46 AM
Either way, it's a dangerous experiment with time and space!

Rinspeed
January 15, 2007, 10:25 AM
I have a 1908 .380 and I just don't see how it would be big enough. With the right amount of money anything is possible I guess.

Old Fuff
January 15, 2007, 11:16 AM
A true 1903/08 Pocket Pistol expanded to chamber the .45 ACP cartridge wouldn't work very well. The smaller pistols were straight-blowback without a locked breech. Redesigning the 1911 platform to enclose the hammer could be done, but there is no practical reason too do so.

Sistema1927
January 15, 2007, 11:19 AM
One has to ask: Why?

It would be neat to see newly manufactured 1903/1908 pistols in their original calibers, OR possibly upgraded to 9mm since this probably wouldn't require massive modifications and the pistol frame is more fitting to a 9mm than the mouse gun calibers.

It is hard to envision what a .45 model would look like. Any pictures or links?

Jim Watson
January 15, 2007, 11:26 AM
To quote a usually reliable source (me) it looks like a 1911 with the rear of the slide built up to enclose a bobbed hammer. It somewhat resembles the hammerless .45 prototype that the US Army was not much interested in, but differs in details like the grip safety and butt shape. The only place I have seen even a picture of the original was in Layne Simpson's book.
It is NOT an enlarged blowback .380. I think it is just a demonstration of their metalworking capabilities.

Old Fuff
January 15, 2007, 12:01 PM
It would be neat to see newly manufactured 1903/1908 pistols in their original calibers, OR possibly upgraded to 9mm since this probably wouldn't require massive modifications and the pistol frame is more fitting to a 9mm than the mouse gun calibers.

All of Browning's pocket pistols were straight blowback in design, and therefore limited to cartridges such as the .380 ACP or less. It is easy to say that a similar pistol should be upgraded to 9mm, but such a powerful/high pressure cartridge requires a locked breech. Some straight blowback 9mm pistols have been made (the Astra is an example) but they were larger then a Colt Pocket Model, and very stiff recoil springs made hand cycling the slide difficult. Plus, the recoil was memorable to say the least.

To make the pistol some envision would indeed require some "massive modifications."

VA27
January 15, 2007, 07:58 PM
This thread crys out for PIX!!!

Old Fuff
January 15, 2007, 08:07 PM
This thread crys out for PIX!!!

Of what? This is a new product, just released, and I don't know if any pictures are available. If they become available I'm sure someone will post them.

Chuck Perry
January 16, 2007, 03:50 AM
From M1911.org. Standard 1908 on top, 45ACP version below. You're welcome. :neener:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/sv1cec/reviews/shotshow/smallimages/DSC_0453.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/sv1cec/reviews/shotshow/smallimages/DSC_0454.jpg

Diamondback6
January 16, 2007, 03:55 AM
Really, looks like an enclosed-hammer 1911 frame.

According to Schwartz (secondhand via Ayoob) the big problem most folks have with the 1911 is that visible cocked hammer.

Source: http://www.ambackforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=44738&start=15

pete f
January 16, 2007, 05:17 AM
while some here think the design is a waste, I am pretty sure almost anything done by Bill L is a pretty cool item. Certainly not my burning desire, it is a cool piece that I am pretty sure is 100% in operation or Bill would not have let it out of the shop

Dr.Rob
January 16, 2007, 05:28 AM
Looks elegant on a small pistol, on a bigger scale makes a Colt look like a Hi-Point.

dbarale
January 16, 2007, 07:19 AM
Dr Rob, that was also my first reaction. Looks just like a Stallard / Hi Point.
I would have loved to see the original frame size in 9mm though.

Wes Janson
January 16, 2007, 01:56 PM
I second the "Hi-Point Look-alike" opinion. Wild idea though.

BigG
January 16, 2007, 03:19 PM
Looks like a Hi Point. Ditto :scrutiny:

Old Fuff
January 16, 2007, 03:19 PM
The "look" is necessary because the barrel has to able to tip and unlock. The older (and smaller) .380 pocket model had a fixed barrel that didn't move, and thus a lower slide profile which makes it look right.

Billy Sparks
January 17, 2007, 08:33 AM
Hmmm looks like a mostly snag free pistol in a real defense caliber (.45 as opposed to .380 or .32) not saying I am going to buy one but VERY interesting.

JMounce
January 26, 2007, 03:38 AM
:confused: But thats just my opinion. I think I need a keyboard in .45 and a car starter in .45 and a .45 big screen tv.....

Hey, everyone has their own thing I guess....

ceetee
January 26, 2007, 09:59 AM
Another ditto on the Hi-point resemblance.

The "look" is necessary because the barrel has to able to tip and unlock. The older (and smaller) .380 pocket model had a fixed barrel that didn't move, and thus a lower slide profile which makes it look right.

Dumb question alert: Imagine if the barrel was fixed, and the slide had to toggle up to unlock it from the fixed barrel. Has anybody ever made a reasonably-sized handgun in a serious caliber like that? I'm not talking about a Luger-type toggle, but something like a 1911, but with the motion reversed...

Jim K
January 26, 2007, 02:26 PM
Looks like a compact 1911 type with the slide made to enclose the hammer. That doesn't mean something like that wouldn't sell, but it is not a "1908 in .45". I think it only looks bigger than the normal 1911 type because of the rear enclosure; it seems to me everything else is pretty standard.

BTW, on that pic of the .25 Pocket auto, I don't know who put that "Model 1908" on, but Colt didn't. They never used those terms like Model 1903, Model 1905 or Model 1908; those are strictly modern collectors' terms.

Jim

Neo-Luddite
January 27, 2007, 05:33 PM
I didn't think I would be actually UPSET by the pics, but I am.

I love the 1911 and the 1903. They don't need to interbreed.

I keep thinking it looks like an AMC Pacer--you know, a pregnant roller skate?

A Chevy Citation--a Chevette with a glandular problem.

Un-natural. The farmer would put it in a sack and drop it in the river.

Then again, my opinion is worth what it cost.

Gordon
January 27, 2007, 06:23 PM
I want one !!:p Want one want one. All the better to fit my 1911 holsters!

Nightcrawler
January 28, 2007, 03:22 AM
Plus, the recoil was memorable to say the least.

Those 9mm revolvers must be really rough then. :D

jon_in_wv
May 23, 2007, 08:18 PM
Like my teenage daughter would say......ick.

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