P99 AS Thoughts?

PX15

January 17, 2007, 08:41 AM

kayl:

You WON'T like a P99/AS...

Junk, crap, cheap wannabe Glock knockoffs! Don't waste your money.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_6402.jpg

BUT!

If you are determined to throw your money away on junk, please wait a month to think it over*...

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

* I'll have saved the money to buy MY next P99 by then.. AS's are getting kinda scarce.. I wouldn't want to lose the last one to you! ;)

Just kiddin'.. Fantastic pistol.

OH25shooter

January 17, 2007, 08:56 AM

How would the P99 be more accurate than a Glock?

I don't know how accurate your Glock is, but my P99 is accurate enough for me. When I've shot the G17 and G19, the accuracy wasn't as good.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/OH25shooter/DSCN1027.jpg

Billy_H

January 17, 2007, 09:07 AM

My wife and I both love our P99c ASs and carry them everyday.

dleong

January 17, 2007, 09:36 AM

I recently acquired a P99AS chambered in 40S&W, and absolutely love it! The ergonomics and accuracy are outstanding, and I especially like the fact that the gun came from the factory with a recoil spring that was actually strong enough to handle the 40S&W cartridge.

The stock trigger was a little on the heavy side, but replacing the striker spring with a lighter one has essentially fixed that problem. The SA trigger on my P99AS now breaks at around 3 lbs.

I do not think you'll regret getting one. Here are some images of mine:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/screwthepap2/th_P99_20060921_PB02.jpg (http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/screwthepap2/P99_20060921_PB02.jpg) http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/screwthepap2/th_P99_20060921_PB03.jpg (http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/screwthepap2/P99_20060921_PB03.jpg)

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/screwthepap2/th_P99_20060921_01.jpg (http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/screwthepap2/P99_20060921_01.jpg) http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/screwthepap2/th_P99_20060921_PB04.jpg (http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/screwthepap2/P99_20060921_PB04.jpg)

BrainOnSigs

January 17, 2007, 10:05 AM

Plus sexy chicks dig them and super villians hate them....... :D

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL875/3165911/6449842/85657690.jpg

Shipwreck

January 17, 2007, 11:41 AM

I shoot my P99 A/S fullsize as accurate or more than 1911s. In fact, I quit throwing away cash into expensive 1911s.

I prev had a $1200 1911, and I outshot it with my SW99 - the S&W clone of the P99. Now, I have the fullsize P99 A/S - and its a tiny bit more accurate than the SW99.

U won't regret it. :cool:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/chromewalther1.jpg

banddr2

January 17, 2007, 01:41 PM

This may stir it up a bit, but on the average, IMHO ALL Walther models are generally more accurate than guns of similar cost. They have very tight barrel to slide lock up and ergonomics help a great deal to make them accurate. In my experience my P99 QA 9mm is more accurate than my:
Officers ACP, Hi Power, Glock 23, Witness compact 40, Sig 225 & 228, Springfield 1911, Kahr PM, Walther P38 and PPK/s. The only gun that matches it in my accuracy tests is my Walther P5. When I shoot I always have 2 or 3 of the above that I put head to head at different distances just for fun.

I wish I had H&K's to try and the new S&W MP.

That being said though, someone who shoots a Glock all his life and picks up a P99 will probably find the Glock more accurate. Guns are generally more accurate than the shooter. My tagets with my first Glock 17 looked like I was shooting with buckshot as I had no idea at the time what trigger control meant.

You can't go wrong with any of the big names, get what appeals most to you. At the gun store I use two methods to see if a gun is right for me:

1. Close your eyes and aim it at something, open your eyes and see if you are close to target. That means the grip is right for you.

2. Dry fire it once pulling the trigger slowly and see if the front sight jerks in both single and double action.

3. How cool does it look?:)

James NM

January 17, 2007, 06:09 PM

Accurate, reliable, safe, decent DA trigger, great SA trigger, nice price.

What's not to like?

Anna's Dad

January 17, 2007, 06:19 PM

I bought the P99 DAO in .40 S&W. I really wish I got the AS in 9mm :banghead:. So if you buy the AS and wish you had a DAO, I'm ready to trade ;).

Tezcatlipoca

January 17, 2007, 06:29 PM

Best Polymer Gun out.

Jorg

January 17, 2007, 06:32 PM

I love my P99 in .40 with the AS trigger (bought it years ago when the only option was the AS). I've for a P99C with the QA, didn't like it very much.

Most people who have shot mine comment on how good it feels in their hands.

I also like the second strike capability.

cdsdss

January 17, 2007, 07:16 PM

In my experience, the only gun that matches it for accuracy, reliability, and ergonomics is the H&K P7. I love my P99 and carry it as my primary off-duty piece.

Last weekend, I went shooting with a co-worker and got him hooked. He's selling his Glock and buying one.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h288/cdsdss/DSC00576-1.jpg

PX15

January 17, 2007, 07:28 PM

gudel:

As to the "Walther's being inherently more accurate than comparable Glocks".

All I have to go by is I've had a Sig P239 for over a decade. My P239 has in the past been the accuracy standard by which I compare my other compacts.. I bought two Glock 26's when they were the "flavor of the month" in the gun magazines and when I shot them head to head with the Sig P239 the Sig was definitely a bit more accurate. I'm only saying the Sig was more accurate than the two Glocks I had.

I bought my Walther P99c/AS recently and surprisingly it is as, if not MORE accurate than my Sig P239. I shot them head to head and the Sig is just slightly more accurate at self defense range, but the Sig has a set of Crimson Trace Lasergrips on it. I didn't shoot them both using factory sights, (I need to do that), but I believe the Walther is more accurate than the Sig.. Not a lot, but more accurate. The Walther is amazingly accurate.

I agree with the person who said any quality name brand pistol will probably be capable of more potential accuracy than 99.9% of pistol owners are capable of taking advantage of.

My personal thoughts comparing the Walther and the Glocks I owned is that the Walther has much, much better grip ergonomics... A better trigger (striker), and other such things that make it heads and heels a better pistol, FOR MY PERSONAL TASTE AND NEEDS, than the Glock 26, or any other pistol I have owned in the past, or own now.

If you are happy with your Glocks, that's all that matters.

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_6518.jpg

modifiedbrowning

January 17, 2007, 08:11 PM

The P99 is the best polymer pistol out there IMO. I like the design so much I have 3 of them.
Buy the P99 you wont be disappointed.

Rotorflyr

January 18, 2007, 06:10 AM

Are the controls on the P99's ambi??

Shipwreck

January 18, 2007, 06:32 AM

The mag release is.

ojdidit

January 18, 2007, 07:19 AM

BrainOnSigs

January 18, 2007, 08:52 AM

-terry

January 18, 2007, 02:27 PM

I'm a newby to Walther. I bought a P99c AS. I've had it for several months with no FTF or FTE's. The mag with the grip extension is definately more comfortable for me to shoot but for CCW I use the short mag. I've been shooting mostly WWB. It snaps a bit (remember, I'm new to this), but I'm sure I'll get used to it with a few hundred more rounds. It appears accurate to me--I needed to adjust the drift a bit, it was shooting left of POA.

I really like its looks. Shipwreck keeps posting pics of his chromed ones so I may do that later because I think that makes them look even sexier. It strips very easily for cleaning. I really like the AS setup as you have many options for trigger behavior.

I am very pleased with mine and if I lost my CCW firearm, I would immediately buy another Walther P99c to replace it.

-terry

Mr Kablammo

January 18, 2007, 06:34 PM

I have to concur with the 'buy' recommendations. Both the QA and AS have triggers that are smooth and the gun is veritable 'bullet laser'. The recoil of the 0.40 is stout but not uncontrollable. I thing the 9mm is preferable for competition and expense of ammo. Open one up and you'll be amazed at the quality.

The Hound

January 18, 2007, 07:39 PM

I love my P99 9mm A/S.

It's a great shooter, very accuracte right out of the box, and just plain fun.

You won't be dissappointed if you get one.

never_summer

January 18, 2007, 08:02 PM

does s&w make parts for walther, because they distribute them?

Tezcatlipoca

January 18, 2007, 08:34 PM

I hope not.

Love,
Snobby Walther Fan.

FieroCDSP

January 18, 2007, 09:18 PM

I own two S&W auto's, both in 40. My recent one was the M&P, and I love it. I just put a Walther P22 3.5" in layaway. I only decided on the P22 as a cheap plinker because I was really impressed with the P99's feel when I held it. I think when I decide to get a 9mm, it'll probably be a Walther. And here I had always considered myself a non-Walther kinda guy.

Stachie

January 18, 2007, 11:22 PM

P99s are excellent pistols, regardless of the trigger choice.

Shipwreck

January 19, 2007, 09:25 AM

does s&w make parts for walther, because they distribute them?

No, they do not - all the stuff (parts) come from Walther. S&W only makes theyr SW99 (which is now discontinued) and the SW990L.

Shipwreck

January 19, 2007, 10:22 AM

For U compact P99 guys - here is a sleeve U can put over the fullsize mags to extend the grip. They are coming to the US later this year - but are out in Europe.

I bought 1 from this guy and am still waiting - I should get it next week...

Here is the link to one he is selling now...

http://cgi.ebay.com/org-Walther-Grip-Extension-Walther-P-99-Compact_W0QQitemZ110078798651QQihZ001QQcategoryZ52511QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

banddr2

January 19, 2007, 10:27 AM

I hope not.

VERY GOOD ANSWER!

Autolycus

January 19, 2007, 02:06 PM

Does anyone make nightsights for them? I have found a good deal on a P99 and would like to put some night sights on it.

fastbolt

January 19, 2007, 02:50 PM

I prefer the AS (TDA) trigger to either the QA or DAO, but then I prefer TDA triggers in my regular working pistols ... and Walther designed and produces a good one in the 99 series. I realize that not everyone prefers a TDA action, however, and the QA action is a nicely smooth one for its type.

While I've had excellent service from my personally owned SW99 .40 S&W, as well as in the similar issued one I carried for a few years, I happen to feel the 99 series pistols are at their best when chambered in 9mm. Just my druthers ...

I sometimes have to chuckle when reading fervent enthusiast's postings, though, especially when extolling the virtues of one manufacturer over another when it comes to similarly high quality firearms ...

FWIW, the greater number of broken or failed parts I've had to replace in SW99 & P99 pistols have been parts which came from Germany. That's why manufacturers produce spare parts, you know. :neener:

The last sear housing block I had to replace, because of a broken ejector ... and which is a German part ... was in a SW99 .40 through which the owner told me he had exceeded 50,000 rounds fired. I've had a couple break off sooner than that, though (just as with some other make/model pistols).

The Walther P99 is an excellent pistol, and the licensed SW990L is an excellent pistol, but I'm glad I bought both mine when the SW99 TDA's were still being produced for commercial sales (instead of only LE sales, as they are at present).

Yes, night sights are available.

zahc

January 19, 2007, 03:48 PM

Could someone please explain the differences between AS and QA? Why does everyone seem to prefer the AS?

Jorg

January 19, 2007, 03:55 PM

The AS Is more like a traditional double action. The QA is a partially preloaded striker, more like a Glock.

This page might help:
http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/WaltherP99FAQ/VIII/3.html
along with this image
http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/WaltherP99FAQ/VII/2.jpg

A bit more from: http://www.carl-walther.de/englisch/defense/defense-36.html

The P99 Series is the only hammerless pistol available to offer three trigger options:

P99AS- Anti-Stress
Traditional double action and single action modes, and the added feature of the anti-stress trigger position which is engaged after reloading.

P99DAO - Double Action Only
The striker is at rest with no preload for a long smooth trigger pull. The pull is consistent in length and force from the first shot to the last.

P99QA -Quick Action
Partially preloaded striker provides a uniform short light trigger pull. This variation is a favorite among many sportsmen and police tactical units.

Coronach

January 19, 2007, 04:04 PM

I'm not familiar with the variations of the P99, but...

The model my PD tested had the manual decocker, the button on top of the slide. To me, this is a very bad idea on a duty gun, and probably not very wise on a CCW/defensive gun. For a range gun, or a game gun, it is a non-issue. It might also be a non-issue because the model under discussion might not have this "feature." Edit: I see from the above posts that it does.

My PD didn't go with the P99, partially because of the decocker, and partially due to feedback on the ergonomics from officers. AFAIK, the gun was reliable in testing.

Mike

banddr2

January 19, 2007, 04:25 PM

Does anyone make nightsights for them? I have found a good deal on a P99 and would like to put some night sights on it.

Meprolite makes excellent night sights and they are easy to install, but you also need a front sight wrench that is also sold, because replacement front sights are held on by a little hex bolt that is impossible to tighten without the tool. They use these front sight tools on glocks also. Do a search on Meprolite and you will find all the info you need.

kayl

January 19, 2007, 06:04 PM

The model my PD tested had the manual decocker, the button on top of the slide. To me, this is a very bad idea on a duty gun, and probably not very wise on a CCW/defensive gun.

Why is this a very bad idea on a duty gun? My local PD carries the H&K USP .40 with the double action trigger and safety/decocking lever. I'm just curious as to why this is bad. Thanks! :)
Justin

Jorg

January 19, 2007, 06:13 PM

The model my PD tested had the manual decocker, the button on top of the slide. To me, this is a very bad idea on a duty gun, and probably not very wise on a CCW/defensive gun. For a range gun, or a game gun, it is a non-issue. It might also be a non-issue because the model under discussion might not have this "feature." Edit: I see from the above posts that it does.

Do you recall if it was a larger more oblong decocker or a small one?

Both the AS and the QA have a decocker. On the AS, the decocker (the larger of the two decocker types) simply returns the gun to DA mode, just as it would with a hammer-fired gun. Pulling the trigger again cocks and fires. The gun can aslo be cocked by sliding the slide slightly back again.

On the QA, the decocker isn't use as such, as is a smaller, much harder to operate button. It is used to release the striker for disassembly, not unlike pulling the triggeron a Glock. It seems to be failrly hard to operate accidentally, but I could see why one might not want it.

The model my PD tested had the manual decocker, the button on top of the slide. To me, this is a very bad idea on a duty gun, and probably not very wise on a CCW/defensive gun.

Coronach, I can understand why the QA decocker may not be acceptable as it could inadvertently disable the gun, but why would it not be acceptable in the AS version? Edit: Whoops, someone beat me to the question. Need to learn to stay more focused on my posts instead of this silly job thing.

Coronach

January 20, 2007, 01:14 AM

The problem is not the idea of a decocker per se. Decockers are fine. It is this decocker's position in particular that is the issue. You cannot decock the weapon with one hand. That is a non-issue for a game gun or a range gun, but for a defensive weapon, especially a duty gun, it is a real problem.

Scenario: You confront a bad guy, he presents a lethal-force threat. You shoot him. The threat is stopped. Now, someone else (perhaps a family member or friend) tries to rush into the scene while your weapon is still out, in SA mode. There is no lethal threat, so you cannot/should-not shoot them, but you also can't let them assault you or place themselves in danger by charging into the conflict which may or may not be over. You need to decock and maybe holster, but you can't, with one hand holding onto this non-shootable subject and your other hand unable to reach that stupid decocking button.

Scenario: You're wounded in an exchange of fire with a bad guy. You put him down. You want to put your gun away so you can tend to the rather bad bleeding of your support arm. You can't decock your weapon, because your support hand is out of service. You're left with the option of trying to put the gun back into your holster in SA mode (certainly possible, but they teach "decock and holster" in that order for a very good reason) while hyped up on adrenaline, or trying to decock the weapon one handed in a move you've probably never tried before (always fun with a loaded gun after you've been shot), or just putting the thing down on the ground (never a good idea). If you have a magazine disconnect, I suppose you could drop the mag. If you do so, though, you just turned your weapon into a paperweight until you can get the magazine back in.

Are both of these fairly low-probability events? Yes. But they present a problem for cops, because they can happen. Unarmed people charging into active shooting scenes happens a heck of a lot, actually (think domestic violence). You need to be able to decock with one hand.

Mike

OH25shooter

January 20, 2007, 10:24 AM

You cannot decock the weapon with one hand.

I decock my P99 everytime with one hand. Maybe I'm missing something, but I simply raise up my thumb on my right hand and depress the decocker button. Besides, for CPD to switch from S&W would be difficult anyway. I remember when patrol officers carried the M10 revolver. MC officers experimented with stainless Ruger revolvers. I don't think that lasted one year.

Coronach

January 20, 2007, 10:29 AM

I can't reach it with my strong hand thumb, though I confess to not having one on hand to try. I remember trying it with the T&E gun we had. If they have modified the design to make that possible, this removes my main criticism of the gun. And remember, I believe that this is only an issue for duty guns.

And CPD just switched to the M&P40...and yes, it has been a big of a switchover as it was from the M10 to semi-autos, I've been told. A lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. :rolleyes:

Mike

Riktoven

January 20, 2007, 11:38 AM

How does the reliability (read FTF,FTE) of a Walther compare to other brands, such as Glock and SIG that are near perfect? I'm not trying to start a fight between Glock-lovers and Glock-haters, I just don't like the ergonomics of Glocks and I'm interested in other brands of polymer guns. BUT, I need reliability.

I'm up to about 24K rounds (stopped the shooting log since the last 15k+ have all been WWB) and it hasn't bobbled a single round yet. I've got 2 10rnd mags, and 6 16 round mags and they are all well made and have been surprisingly durable over the last few years (I tend to bang my spares around quite a bit between mag carriers and my tiny little shooting bag).

I never got enough trigger time behind my glock to make those claims about it. The P99 is simply the superior pistol unless your primary concern is holster wear, and it only costs $20-$80 more depending on where you live.

bearmgc

January 20, 2007, 04:35 PM

My P99 AS 40, is more accurate than my 1911's and my 1911's are very accurate. And never a jam of any kind or FTF. Fits my hand perfectly. It replaced my Glock 27, No desire to ever buy another Glock, just more P99's.

tracer

January 21, 2007, 05:09 PM

Are the S&W AS triggers comparable to the Walther's?
Are SW99 compacts available?

PX15

January 21, 2007, 05:28 PM

tracer:

You'll have to ask Shipwreck about the comparison between the Walther and the SW99 triggers. I should think they would be same, but don't have both to compare.. Ship does.

My buddy has been looking for a SW99c/AS all week, and so far no dice. SW990's all over the place, but not 99's. He's still looking, but will probably just buy a Walther P99c/AS like mine if he can't find a SW99c/AS shortly.

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

Shipwreck

January 21, 2007, 06:23 PM

SW99 = the P99 A/S trigger. It is a clone and is just like it.

The SW990L = the P99 QA trigger - only there is absolutely NO decocker.

The SW99 was discontinued at the end of 2005. U can still find new ones if U look hard enough, though - especially online.

I have a SW99 because I bought it in Nov 2005 when I couldn't find a fullsize A/S in 9mm...

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/SW99light5.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/sw99-100.jpg