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tkcomer
January 18, 2007, 11:00 AM
I'm thinking about giving up my Rockchucker and going to the Lee Classic Turret press. Calibers I'll be loading are 38, 357, 44 mag, 223, 243, and 308. Now then, I'm kinda confused on the Pro Auto Disc. Videos only show it loading pistols. What do I need to buy to set the powder measure up to load for the rifle cases? I see a rifle charge case in the Midway book, but the Lee site says it's a small capacity rifle die. I know I need the double disc kit and possibly the micro disc conversion unit. Does the micro disc work in conjunction with the regular disc? I'm trying to figure out what I'll need to set this thing up without having to realize that oh, I need a $10 part with $8 shipping to get it running. And then find our I need a $15 part to do what I want after the $10 part comes in. I'll have to get new pistol dies for sure as mine are old and they're not carbide. I think I can still use my rifle dies, but will add a factory crimp die to the 223 as I shoot it in autos. The other two are neck tension only. Thanks for any and all replys.

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Sistema1927
January 18, 2007, 11:13 AM
Let's see if I can handle some of your questions.

The rifle charging die will work fine with .308 and .223.

Get the Pro with the double disk and the ajustable charge disk. I haven't used the double disk set so I can't tell you if you can use it with the adjustable disk. I have the standard Auto Disk, and wish that I bought the Pro due to the fact that I am not sure how long the screws will hold out without getting stripped. This isn't much of a problem anymore since I use the adjustable disk for just about all my loading, but it is primarily handgun. I have loaded some small batches of .303 and .308 without problem.

Uncle Don
January 18, 2007, 11:39 AM
How do you charge your rifle cases with the Rockchucker?

tkcomer
January 18, 2007, 12:28 PM
I use a RCBS Uniflow. It's about 20 years old and the plastic case is getting what looks like stress cracks around the base of the plastic hopper. I have two drums. One for pistols and one for rifles. Meters like a dream with ball powder.

tkcomer
January 18, 2007, 12:53 PM
Here is the list I have made up so far:

Pro Auto Disc
Adjustable Charge Bar
Rifle Charging Die
Double Disc Kit
Lee Classic Turret Press
4 Hole Turret-One for each caliber
357/38 Dies
44 Die
223 Factory Crimp Die

Am I missing anything?

DaveInFloweryBranchGA
January 18, 2007, 12:58 PM
tkcomer,

you're answers in context below:

"'I'm thinking about giving up my Rockchucker and going to the Lee Classic Turret press."

Hang onto the Rock Chucker, you'll still find useful things for it to do and it's paid for. I sold mine, got a Lee Classic Cast single stage, now son's got that and I wish I'd kept the RC to give to him.

"Calibers I'll be loading are 38, 357, 44 mag, 223, 243, and 308. Now then, I'm kinda confused on the Pro Auto Disc."

A list of everything you could possibly need to load anything on a Lee Pro Auto Disk when using it on a Classic Turret press:
1. Pro Auto Disk
2. Double Disk Kit
3. Micrometer Adjustable Charge Bar
4. Micro Disk
5. Auto Disk Riser
6. Rifle Charging Die
Note: This seems like a lot of stuff, but most items aren't a 6-10 bucks each (wholesale to retail) tops each. So you can pick up the whole kit and kaboodle for not a lot invested.

What do I need to buy to set the powder measure up to load for the rifle cases?

For Rifle at a minimum:
1. Pro Auto Disk
2. Double Disk Kit
3. Auto Disk Riser
4. Rifle Charging die
Note: By the time you buy this stuff, you might as well get the extras above.

"I see a rifle charge case in the Midway book, but the Lee site says it's a small capacity rifle die."

It will handle up to a .308 case according to Lee's documentation. I have one set up for .303 and it works fine for that as well.

" I know I need the double disc kit and possibly the micro disc conversion unit. Does the micro disc work in conjunction with the regular disc?"

I don't know yet, but plan on finding out. I recommend you buy the list above, it's so affordable, it's worth it to do so.

"I'm trying to figure out what I'll need to set this thing up without having to realize that oh, I need a $10 part with $8 shipping to get it running. And then find our I need a $15 part to do what I want after the $10 part comes in."

Smart thinking, this is the exact reason I'm advising buyig the complete first list above. Then you have everything for any setup and there's nothing left to buy. I bought everything but the micro disk and I wish I had bought it as well.

"I'll have to get new pistol dies for sure as mine are old and they're not carbide."

After just buying several sets of the Lee Deluxe 4-die pistol sets, I highly recommend them. I like the dies better than most other dies I have and I currently own Hornady, RCBS and have owned Dillon in the past. They are easy to adjust and do a good job. The only thing I don't like about them is the o-ring instead of the set screw for the locking ring, but I've learned how to deal with that now or if you get tired of it, change to a Hornady locking ring, which I do for the powder measure die.

"I think I can still use my rifle dies, but will add a factory crimp die to the 223 as I shoot it in autos."

If you're going to buy one Lee die, might as well buy the deluxe set. Then you have extra dies (can be handy with two presses, especially if one's a RC with a Lock N Load bushing adapter setup in it) and the collet dies are great for bolt actions. My plan is to get and use low usage dies on a new Lee Classic Cast single stage (special purpose) I'm getting and keep the more standard dies on either my Hornady LnL (high volume) or my Lee Classic Turret press (medium volume)

"The other two are neck tension only."

I suspect you'd really like those Lee collet dies once you got used to them.

As a interesting side note, I have an RCBS measure like yours as well. RCBS will replace that worn out part for free if you call and ask them on their 800 line. Also, I plan on adding my RCBS to my older LnL CAPD and trying it out on the Lee Classic Cast turret to see if it has enough riser to clear the safety prime.

As far as your list goes, don't forget the safety prime and the Auto Disk riser at a minimum. Get the Safety prime that comes as a large and small primer kit. It's a great primer and really speeds up the press. No need to prime off press and slow things down, especially with pistol, where you're not trimming.



Hope this helps,

Dave

strat81
January 18, 2007, 01:13 PM
tkomer, don't forget to add the Safety Prime (large & small) to your list. I assume you have a scale, calipers, and safety goggles since you already load.

ATAShooter
January 18, 2007, 01:21 PM
I use a Lee Turret for calibers .38, 357 Sig, .44 Mag, .45 acp on pistol ...... .223, .243, .308, 30-06 on Rifle. For the pistol calibers, I use the Auto Disc through the die. On large rifle calibers, I have to remove the auto index rod, so on them I use a LEE perfect powder measure. Seeing I shoot the same recipe per rifle caliber, the Perfect powder measure was so low in cost, I have 1 for each rifle caliber. I leave it set at what I want and just grab the one I need.

tkcomer
January 18, 2007, 02:21 PM
Oops, forgot about the Safety Prime. I'll add that to the list. I don't see the Auto Disc Riser in the Midway book. Probably there, I just can't find it. I remember seeing that on a web site. I think they used that to clear the rifle dies. Still a little nervous about this setup, mainly do the powder dispensing. I guess I'll get over that. Then again, I was a wreck when I first started years ago.

SSN Vet
January 18, 2007, 02:33 PM
they have a smokin' deal on a classic turret press package for $150 and that includes most of the items Dave suggested.

I did quite a fair bit of price shopping and ordered my set up from F & M, which blew Midway out of the water.......only to find out that if I had waited a couple days I could have saved $25 on the package deal at Cagellas......:o

I'm a total newb.......who knows next to zip.....but I'd suggest calling Lee and checking out what the max load you can throw with the Auto-disk is.

I had a conversation with them to make sure I could charge my .30-30s using the Auto-disk and though I'm going to be good to go (or so I hope) they rattled off some charge weights and it sounded like I was pushing the upper limit.

tkcomer
January 18, 2007, 02:52 PM
I don't really need the kit. The press is $84. And the kit comes with the standard Auto Disc, not the Pro. I did find the powder measure riser at Midway. It's only 7 bucks. I will have to contact Lee at some point. I didn't see any listings for the Ramshot True Blue powder I'm using in the pistols. That stuff is almost like dust. 3.8gr in a 38 with 148gr wadcutters. It would be very easy to double charge a case if you don't pay attention. Or oops, don't charge the case at all since you need a really good light to see if there is any in there.

DaveInFloweryBranchGA
January 18, 2007, 02:56 PM
tkcomer,

You're confusing the Midway old style turret kit with the Cabella's kit. Cabella's has a kit out they put together themselves, check it out:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat602007-cat20847&id=0044122216337a&navCount=1&podId=0044122&parentId=cat20847&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=IH&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20847&hasJS=true

griz
January 18, 2007, 03:08 PM
Although the Lee measure will work, why not stick with the Uniflow? I'm sure you can get a new hopper from RCBS, or Sinclair sells a bottle adaptor that allows you to change between powders quickly.

I have a Lee measure and used to use the double disc kit to load several thousand rounds of 223. But now I like the Uniflow better since it doesn't depend on plastic threads to change discs.

Good luck either way, Griz

tkcomer
January 18, 2007, 03:30 PM
That's a good deal at Cabela's, but I don't need a scale. Add up the stuff without the scale and it comes to about $131 at Midway. And right now I have 20 bucks off of any order over $250. So far I have it figured this way:

Pro Auto Disc
Adjustable Charge Bar
Rifle Charging Die
Double Disc Kit
4 Hole Press
4 Hole Turret-One for each caliber
357/38 Dies
44 Die
223 Factory Crimp Die
Lee Safety Prime
Powder Measure Riser

Anything else?

1911user
January 18, 2007, 03:39 PM
Anybody know how tight the new autodisk measure is? He mentioned using a very fine powder. That might not work so well.

I used an autodisk in the 90's and it would lock up tight with anything close to a fine powder. There was too much tolerance (slop) between the moving parts and the powder would leak and lock the measure. AA#5 and alliant/hercules red/green/blue dot powders were about the smallest that worked reliably in the auto-disk.

For fine powders, I would think that machined metal surfaces would be much better than plastic (bottom of hopper).

DaveInFloweryBranchGA
January 18, 2007, 05:44 PM
Pro Auto Disc (good)

Adjustable Charge Bar
(good, but you may wish you also got the micro disk and it's only 8 bucks. I regret not buying it now because I want to try it out)

Rifle Charging Die
(good)

Double Disc Kit
(good)

4 Hole Press (Make sure this is the Lee Classic Cast turret, not the basic aluminum four hole)

4 Hole Turret-One for each caliber
(Be aware the Classic Turret press comes with one turret)

357/38 Dies
44 Die
223 Factory Crimp Die
(Get the Deluxe die 4-die sets with the Lee FCD, they're worth it and not expensive to begin with, you'll be glad you did)

Lee Safety Prime
(Remember to order this as the Large/small primer kit)

Powder Measure Riser
(good, you'll need this for the Pro Auto Disk to clear the safety prime)

DaveInFloweryBranchGA
January 18, 2007, 06:01 PM
Griz,

"Although the Lee measure will work, why not stick with the Uniflow?"

There may be a clearance issue with the safety prime when adapting a Uniflow to the lee press. I'm checking that out right now to see, so it may be possible. I'll report when done later on tonight.

"I'm sure you can get a new hopper from RCBS, or Sinclair sells a bottle adaptor that allows you to change between powders quickly."

Have you got a link to the bottle adapter Sinclair sells? I'd like to check it out, as I'm adapting my Uniflow to my Hornady as well.

"I have a Lee measure and used to use the double disc kit to load several thousand rounds of 223. But now I like the Uniflow better since it doesn't depend on plastic threads to change discs."

The uniflow is a really good measure, I agree. But it sounds like you had the basic plain jane auto disk. The Pro Auto Disk has through holes with knurled brass nuts to fasten the hopper down with and I've finding it to be a quite good measure for what I've used it for so far.

1911user,

"Anybody know how tight the new autodisk measure is? He mentioned using a very fine powder. That might not work so well."

I am not familiar with that powder, but I just used mine with Titegroup and it measured beautifully. It has some kind of elastomer wiper on the inside, seems to help a great deal.

"I used an autodisk in the 90's and it would lock up tight with anything close to a fine powder. There was too much tolerance (slop) between the moving parts and the powder would leak and lock the measure. AA#5 and alliant/hercules red/green/blue dot powders were about the smallest that worked reliably in the auto-disk."

I'm reasonably sure the Pro Auto Disk is a good bit better measure and is definately product improved, based on everything I've read. But I also knew when I purchased mine I would select appropriate powders for measuring through a case activated measure, rather than something difficult to meter through a measure.

"For fine powders, I would think that machined metal surfaces would be much better than plastic (bottom of hopper)."

I agree, but something important about any auto advance press and productivity is using a case activated powder drop to get production. The RCBS and Hornady offer CAPD"s that may be adaptable and I have both measures available to me, so I'm going to try them out on the Lee Classic Cast and see if they clear the safety prime. If so, this will give this little press great versatility.

bofe954
January 18, 2007, 07:06 PM
I ordered the Cabela's kit the other day and it is backordered until February. The Cabela's store near me didn't have any either. Just FYI...

griz
January 18, 2007, 08:18 PM
Have you got a link to the bottle adapter Sinclair sells?

Here you go:

http://www.sinclairintl.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=REPM&item=PM-9000&type=store

And you are right, mine is the old style Lee measure. Maybe the new ones address some of the issues I had. Anyway, good luck.

tkcomer
January 18, 2007, 08:35 PM
Man, thanks for all the replys. I do plan to get the deluxe dies for the pistols and both sizes for the Safety Prime. I also have to remember to get the Lee lube for the rifle calibers. That was one other question I had. Do you have to wipe the lube off the completed case? The Lee site said something about you could let it dry and then run it through the die, but I'm assuming you still have to wipe each one down. I usually lube in the pad, size and decap, then throw them in the tumbler. Then I measure and clear the flash holes when they come out. Sorry to be such a pain. I just want to get this order right.

DaveInFloweryBranchGA
January 18, 2007, 09:05 PM
Get a couple tubes of the Lee lube. Mix it with denatured alcohol in a spray bottle, sixteen ounce one if I remember right. put cases in plastic ziploc. spray a couple spritzes of the well mixed solution in the bag. shake well. dump onto discarded cookie sheet (not one the wife cooks with) and let dry. run through press.

By the time you get through loading the cartridges, there won't be enough on the outside of the case to be worth messing with.

Or, another, better option, is to get a can or Hornady One-shot or a can of Imperial sizing wax and use those. The Imperial stuff lasts for years. In fact, I'd say use it as the cheapest option long term.

All three options will stomp all over using that gunk used with the RCBS sizing pads. blech, that mess is nasty, I think it's stp oil treatment or very much like it.

Try one option above out. You'll be glad you did. All three work. Don't sweat asking questions and trying to get your order right. We've all been there, done that and fully understand.

Regards,

Dave

DaveInFloweryBranchGA
January 18, 2007, 09:08 PM
griz, thanks for the link, interesting item to try

tkcomer
January 18, 2007, 10:17 PM
The RCBS lube and pad are OK for the pistol cases, but you have to be real careful with the rifle cases. It's real easy to put dimples on the case shoulder if you don't watch what you're doing. And it is messy. How much alcohol do you add to the two cases of lube in the spray bottle? I like this idea. I'll do it when the wife isn't home and sneak the cookie sheet into the dish washer. She'll never know.

SSN Vet
January 18, 2007, 11:04 PM
I'll do it when the wife isn't home and sneak the cookie sheet into the dish washer. She'll never know.

gee honey, there's something about those chocolate chip cookies....they just seem to slide right through me.....:neener:

(couldn't resist)

DaveInFloweryBranchGA
January 18, 2007, 11:25 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=3031558#post3031558

I was able to get the RCBS Uniflow to work with case activation on the Lee Classic Cast press. check out the link to see pics.

Regards,

Dave

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