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Average Guy
January 6, 2003, 01:46 PM
Toddler killed after gun falls and discharges
Monday, January 6, 2003 Posted: 6:06 AM EST (1106 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Midwest/01/06/toddler.killed.ap/index.html

DETROIT, Michigan (AP) -- A 21-month-old boy was fatally shot when he tipped over a laundry hamper containing a handgun that discharged, police said.

Yolanda Hode, 23, told police a .32-caliber pistol was in a clothes basket her son, Damon Quarker, was playing with Saturday night. She said the gun went off when Damon pulled the basket down off of a plastic container.

The boy was struck on the left side of the chest, Officer Thaxon Hill said. He was taken to St. John's Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Damon and his mother lived with her parents, who were watching television in the living room at the time.

The gun belonged to a family member, homicide inspector Craig Schwartz told the Detroit Free Press for a story in Monday's editions.

Police will report to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office, which will decide whether to file charges.

In 2002, 26 children 16 and younger were killed in the city; 17 died of gunshots, Wayne County medical examiner records show.
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Does this sound like pure, unadulterated BS to anyone else? My gut reaction is that someone negligently shot the kid, then made up the story.* Or are those "cheap pot-metal Saturday Night Special" .32s prone to drop-discharges? :scrutiny:


*I was in the ER one night when a guy came in with a bullethole in his hand. He told a deputy that some guys pulled up and shot at him. My first thought was, "He shot himself." Which, as it turns out, was exactly what happened. Occam's Razor, anyone?

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Ledbetter
January 6, 2003, 01:48 PM
Sure would like to know what kind of pistol. Wouldn't be surprised if it passed the California drop test.

dinosaur
January 6, 2003, 03:26 PM
The real story will come out once Detroit detectives get done. Nobody buys this kind of story.

Bartholomew Roberts
January 6, 2003, 03:28 PM
You see the problem is that the gun didn't have an internal lock - because if it had an internal lock then doubtless the same moron that stores his gun in a clothes hamper and lets children play with said hamper unattended, would have availed himself of the locking device.

And of course the same manufacturer that makes guns that "go off" when subjected to the infamous clothes hamper drop test, would never have such a lock fail :rolleyes:

Carlos Cabeza
January 6, 2003, 03:31 PM
:rolleyes: Where is the BS meter ?

4v50 Gary
January 6, 2003, 03:34 PM
I'd like to know whether this gun was striker fired or had an external hammer. That will help sniff out a lot of B.S. I doubt if a striker in a striker fired handgun would have sufficient energy to dentonate a primer. On a gun with an external hammer, it would have to be cocked and the sear "slipped."

Blackcloud6
January 6, 2003, 04:04 PM
>>Yolanda Hode, 23, told police a .32-caliber pistol was in a clothes basket her son, Damon Quarker, was playing with Saturday night. She said the gun went off when Damon pulled the basket down off of a plastic container. <<

Right Yolanda, sure... and a nice shot to the chest too....

How much you wanna bet that when the cops nail Yolanda for murder or manslaughter it does not get the same level of reporting.

TheeBadOne
January 6, 2003, 04:57 PM
Once again a kid is dead and an idiot is sitting home watching TV :banghead:

Rangerover
January 6, 2003, 05:02 PM
When the obviously B.S. story is proven to be such, how much ya wanna bet CNN doesn't report one word about it?

jmbg29
January 6, 2003, 05:04 PM
Once again a kid is dead and an idiot is sitting home watching TV It never fails. :fire: :( :banghead:

Tamara
January 6, 2003, 05:10 PM
In 2002, 26 children 16 and younger were killed in the city; 17 died of gunshots...

Wonder how many of those 17 young Detroiters got shot for shorting a customer on a dime bag?

sm
January 6, 2003, 05:26 PM
Irresponsible parenting, Adult supervision.
Media now, what about when truth revealed.

Tamara good pt. Stats-consider source, 'course society's fault kids buying dime bag's in first place--yeah right.

MeekandMild
January 6, 2003, 06:07 PM
Usually the story is the kid drowned in a mop bucket or pulled a pan of hot grease from the stove.

Average Guy
January 6, 2003, 07:00 PM
When the obviously B.S. story is proven to be such, how much ya wanna bet CNN doesn't report one word about it?

I said much the same to the friend who forwarded the story to me originally. I sent her to the source, Detroit Free Press, for the better story. Which makes Yolanda's story even less believable. Don't miss the heartwrenching title.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/shot6_20030106.htm

Harold Mayo
January 6, 2003, 07:10 PM
The best one was the woman (forget her name if I ever knew it) who spoke at the Million Mom March about her son who had been "accidentally" killed by someone with a gun while he was "helping move" a television set out of someone's apartment. I believe that this is the same woman who was, herself, later arrested on a firearms-related charge.

Anyone remember this woman? Wasn't she arrested on a homicide charge? Or am I perpetuating an urban myth?

Redlg155
January 6, 2003, 07:22 PM
Stinks of a coverup to me. What kind of folks keep a loaded weapon on the laundry hamper?

Either way mom should do some time over this one.

Good Shooting
RED

Airwolf
January 6, 2003, 07:30 PM
http://flymeaway.net/images/BSMETER.gif

Pendragon
January 6, 2003, 07:33 PM
Should be an easy investigation.

If gun fired from drop, powder marks on floor and upwardly directed wound channel should indicate.

It does sound fishy to me, but it is not impossible.

As the father of a precious 13 month old boy, it is hard to contemplate such a thing. Now that he is becoming mobile, gun storage is becoming an issue.

waterdog
January 6, 2003, 07:36 PM
Maybe the gun was dirty, we all know how them dirty guns have a tendency to kill people.

waterdog

Island Beretta
January 6, 2003, 07:53 PM
Guys:

Don't forget that bullets have been known to grow legs and crawl back up into the chamber of unloaded guns and that guns also fire themselves occasionally!!

Really is a sad story though...:cuss:

Rebeldon
January 6, 2003, 07:57 PM
Remember the movie true lies, when Jaime Lee Curtis dropped the machine pistol down the stairs and it took out several thugs? Now that was a riot!

4thHorseman
January 6, 2003, 08:21 PM
I can't understand why you guy have a hard time believing the story.
The gun was dropped, and it did go off. A small tid-bit of information you over looked, it dropped with the kid in the basket, with the kids finger on the trigger. When the gun hit the ground, with kids finger on the trigger, the trigger finger pushed the trigger back to fire the gun.
See, it makes sense now!:rolleyes:
Hey by the way, Airwolf, I love that BS meter.:D

madkiwi
January 6, 2003, 08:32 PM
I noticed the following BS line from the Free Press article:

Gun violence is the second-leading cause of death among ages 10 to 19. Motor vehicle accidents are first.

First off, it is not "Gun violence"- that is like saying "Terrorism is the leading cause of death in Israel". It means nothing.

Gunshots might be the second-leading source of TRAUMA deaths, but I believe plenty of diseases cause more deaths.

No time now to completely vent- laters...

madkiwi

Standing Wolf
January 6, 2003, 10:04 PM
Yeah, the gun fell and just went off all by itself, and it's going to rain nickels later this evening, too. </sarcasm>

Blackhawk
January 6, 2003, 10:54 PM
Does this sound like pure, unadulterated BS to anyone else? Not exactly. Seems like it's been adulterated a few times....

Bartholomew Roberts
January 7, 2003, 11:45 AM
This reminds me of a thread from 1999 or 2000 on Yahoo's Gun Control Debate board. They were pushing trigger lock legislation and this woman comes on the board to say she doesn't want to take our guns away she just wants this mandatory trigger lock legislation that could have saved her poor dead son... well she was using her real name so it was easy enough to find with a search.

Her son died when he opened a shoebox on a coffee table and found a loaded, chambered, not on safe 9mm and shot himself with it. Her esteemed husband had the gun there and in that condition because he was dealing methamphetamine out of the house and was concerned that he might get robbed.

Being a convicted felon, the husband wasn't even entitled to own a gun; but the gun had been bought in her name. If I remember correctly she was stumping for the MMM.

KMKeller
January 7, 2003, 11:59 AM
Yep, something smells.

Average Guy
January 7, 2003, 04:44 PM
Detroit -- Cops' investigation of baby's death continues

January 7, 2003

http://www.freep.com/news/mich/date7_20030107.htm

Wayne County prosecutors have not decided whether they will charge anyone in the case of a toddler who died from a gunshot wound over the weekend.

Damon Quarker Jr., 1 1/2, died Saturday after being accidentally shot in the chest with a .32-caliber handgun. He found the gun inside a storage box that also contained clothing, police said. When Damon tipped the box, the loaded gun fell out, fired and struck him in the chest, police said. He was pronounced dead an hour later at St. John Hospital in Detroit.

Damon lived in an east-side home in the 10600 block of Lakepointe with his mother and grandparents. Homicide Inspector Craig Schwartz said the gun belonged to one of Damon's grandparents. Police have interviewed and released Damon's mother and grandparents, but a decision on whether to file charges has not been made, Wayne County Prosecutor Michael Duggan and Detroit Police Chief Jerry Oliver said Monday.

In the past, prosecutors have charged adults with second-degree child abuse when a child has gained access to a gun and the weapon discharged. Second-degree child abuse carries a maximum 4-year prison sentence upon conviction. By Suzette Hackney

tetchaje1
January 7, 2003, 04:52 PM
Nice follow up Bartholomew Roberts...

Isn't it amazing how so many of the people stumping for MMM, VPC, HCI, etc... have a "history"... :rolleyes:

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