[model4006]

How many of you who carry Glocks or M&P's or even Springfield XD's, (although they have the grip safety) carry them with one in the chamber? I know this is a topic probably beat to death as bad as walmart ammo prices, but im more looking for what you guys actually practice. i guess ill put up a poll too.

I know the XD's with the grip safety make carring one in the chamber a bit safer, so maybe they are an exception.

can you give YOUR particular reasons for your choice.

[SomeKid]

G23. Carried ready to go. Why? Because if bad things happen every second counts.

[thexrayboy]

As often as we roast LEO around here for being less than polite I think we all can agree that LEO's and their agencies aren't blatantly stupid. If Glock action pistols are safe enough to be carried by thousands of officers for a lot of years I'd say that they are probably safe enough. No weapon or design is
absolutely 100% safe from problems but the Glock has a pretty good record.
99+% of the problems with them are usually operator error, as in keep your booger hook off the bang switch type errors. I've carried one nearly daily for more than a decade with no problem. See no reason to quit.

[brentwal]

G23. Carried ready to go. Why? Because if bad things happen every second counts.


+1, in the pipe.:D

[SolaScriptura139]

While I do not carry yet, I will be carrying an XD-9, and I will have a round in the chamber. An unloaded gun is just a paper weight if it's not loaded, and how do you know if you'll have enough time to rack the slide? I don't want to take the risk of having to rack the slide and being too slow in response time. I know with training you can be pretty fast in racking the slide as you draw, but I would prefer one in the chamber.

[model4006]

im very surprised. i though more people would carry w/o one in the pipe. i was the only one who voted to carry w/o one chambered, i didnt know so many leos have carried that way for so many years. it seems obvious now, i just didnt realize it. i think im as smart as any cop ive ever met, and could be as cautious/careful with my gun, i cant wait to hear more responses to this one.

[model4006]

oh and one more side question... ohio ccw law says it is unlawful for a ccw permit holder to carry their weapon in a "ready to fire" state, unless they are a leo, and are permitted to do so.

does carrying my m&p 40 chambered violate that law?

[thexrayboy]

oh and one more side question... ohio ccw law says it is unlawful for a ccw permit holder to carry their weapon in a "ready to fire" state, unless they are a leo, and are permitted to do so.

does carrying my m&p 40 chambered violate that law?


Sounds entirely too much like a law that can be interpreted, or misinterpreted as needed by some legal beagle looking for an easy conviction to add to his record. Any firearm that is carried for self defense is carried in a "ready to fire" state. Otherwise it is not a self defense weapon, it is cargo, a paperweight. I foresee trouble for some innocent citizen sometime in the future because of the way that is worded. Unless the law actually defines
the definition of "ready to fire" you got a real can of worms there.

[Soybomb]

Whats a striker have to do with it? Is this just asking if you'd carry a gun with no manual safety with one chambered?

Either way, yes, hammer fired sig 226 chambered, striker fired walther p99 chambered, neither with a manual safety.

[model4006]

yes the question was intended for all weapons with no manual safety and one in the chamber.

[Snarlingiron]

Carried ready to go. Why? Because if bad things happen every second counts.

Couldn't have said it better. The time it takes to rack a slide could literally be the death of you.

[Cousin Mike]

ohio ccw law says it is unlawful for a ccw permit holder to carry their weapon in a "ready to fire" state, unless they are a leo, and are permitted to do so.


Ummm.... :uhoh:

WHAT?!?! I've been carrying for a while now. We had 2 lawyers in our class, one of whom I've known my whole life - and we thoroughly discussed the law surrounding Ohio CCW for nearly 5 hours. I still read and stay up on the laws as often as necessary/possible, especially now that we're having more changes/victories with finally getting a "common sense" CCW law... I've never heard that... ever. Our law still has the rediculous "plain sight" clause for carry in a vehicle (until March 14th when the new law takes effect) - which was IMHO the worst of all - but that's about as bad as Ohio law gets for CC. I think if we weren't allowed to carry with one in the pipe, I would have read/heard/been told about that SOMEWHERE before now.

Can you provide some sort of source for that bit of information, please? I don't think you're making that up, I just think you're interpreting something wrong.

As for your original question, I carry a Glock 33 - always with one in the pipe. I've never felt "unsafe" by doing so. I don't worry about the trigger safety, I just keep my finger off the trigger and that seems to work fine. None of my carry pistols have had safeties (save for my brief stint carrying a 1911), none of my house pistols have safeties (except for that same 1911) - and a DA first shot, DAO, decocking lever, or 20 lb. trigger pull is not a safety... If you can't trust yourself to keep your finger off the trigger of a loaded pistol, then you don't have any business owning any gun... even if it has 100 manual safeties. The 4 rules (no matter what kind of gun you have), training, and safe gunhandling are what prevent accidents and tragedies.

A "safety" on a pistol can't save you from yourself.

[MCgunner]

"I'm the only one in this room qualified to carry this Glock".......

BOOOOOM

:D

[Wedge]

Carrying without one chambered is carrying an unloaded gun IMO. Draw, shoot. Not draw, rack, shoot. If you need to draw/shoot (they are the same-gun drawn = shots fired), you need to shoot RIGHT NOW, not 1 second later.

[Crimp]

XD9 Service. One in the tube.

[jondar]

I don't. The four or five times in my life a gun has gotten me out of a bad situation I've had up to a half minute to "get ready". Granted most of the time it was a revolver, once a Colt SAA. It would be interesting to hear how many times some of the posters have been in a situation where it was draw and fire with no time to rack. I have heard of one or two situations where this happened but no personal experience.

[sacp81170a]

A striker fired pistol is designed to be safe when carried with one in the tube. A 1911 is designed to be safe when carried cocked and locked. I've had many more people remark on my 1911 when they saw it cocked and locked than have ever said anything about my Glock. Just goes to show that most folks don't understand that the most important safety mechanism is the one between your ears. :rolleyes:

BTW, "Israeli" style carry depends on you having both hands free and uninjured to rack the slide when necessary. At close quarters, this may not be possible. In that case, the technical term for your $600 firearm would be "club".

[stevelyn]

Glock 22. Unloaded for cleaning or training only.

[Glockfan.45]

There are few ADs with Glocks mostly just NDs ;)

[Snarlingiron]

I have heard of one or two situations where this happened but no personal experience.

That once would be all it takes, right?

[Jamie C.]

Why are people getting all worked-up over "Striker vs. Hammer"? Either one can be made/set up to operate in the same manner as the other...

Glock's use a partially pre-loaded striker... but a lot of guns have a de-cocker that drops the hammer to the half-cock notch. At half-cock, the hammer of these guns are also "partially pre-loaded".

As far as one being safer than the other... really it all depends on what "mode" they're set up to work in, how much trigger travel is required to fire them, and how light or heavy the trigger pull is. Past that, it's the over-all design of the gun that makes it good or bad, safe or unsafe.

It just seems to me that folks are arguing over how the pistols operate more than they're arguing about the actual mechanism, or means of setting off the cartridge, but don't really understand that that's what they're doing.

Am I missing something here?


J.C.

[Chuck Perry]

One of the two crusty 1911 people that have responded so far :evil:

[Mortech]

M&P40 or Steyr M357 , one ALWAYS in the pipe otherwise whats the point ????

[wheel]

Since you've stated that any handgun without a safety counts as part of this poll, what about all the decades people have been using revolvers? No difference between double action revolvers and Glocks or XD's in my opinion. LEO's have been carrying DA revolvers for well over over 50 years, and I doubt they carry over an empty chamber, except for Barney Fife :D

[Lou22]

I almost always carry a striker-fired auto with one in the pipe. All are DAO guns with any safety kept off. The long trigger pull is the safety. Like somebody else stated, they're no different than an uncocked double-action revolver (which I also carry sometimes). That keeps things simple as well as safe.

Lou

[kokapelli]

Really depends on the trigger.

I have a Kahr K9 that I feel fine carrying with one in the chamber, because it's not a true single action.

I feel fine with a round chambered in my XD too.

On the other hand, I had a Taurus PT111 PRO
That has a true, fully cocked single action trigger that I felt uncomfortable carrying with one in chamber. I don't have that pistol anymore.

[SAG0282]

I carry a chambered GLOCK pistol most of the time......

[Sistema1927]

Kahr PM9 carried 6+1 all day, every day, in a pocket holster.

When I carry a Glock ,either a G17 or a G26, it is 17+1 or 10+1 without reservation.

That reading of the Ohio law must be wrong. Otherwise, how could anyone carry a revolver?

[3rdpig]

I carry a G26 (and sometimes a G22 or G20) with a round in the chamber and in a quality holster. Carried in a well designed and constructed holster, and used by someone with a modicum of intelligence, training and practice, there's simply no reason to carry your gun unloaded. Well, unless you want to give an attacker a "sporting chance". Me, I take every advantage I can get.

[Phil DeGraves]

I do not carry a striker fired pistol, simply because the pistol I shoot best is not striker fired. That being said, I would have no qualms about carrying a striker fired pistol fully loaded and chambered. That is, after all, how they were designed to be carried.

[hankdatank1362]

On the other hand, I had a Taurus PT111 PRO
That has a true, fully cocked single action trigger that I felt uncomfortable carrying with one in chamber. I don't have that pistol anymore.

Doesn't that have a manual safety? my 24/7 PRO has a manual safety, very stiff, I love it. That's the reason I carry one in the pipe. (The trigger is the SA/DA restrike, so it's technically a cocked-and-locked single action) I would be uncomfortable carrying a DAO pistol with a 5 lb pull with no manual safety.

[SolaScriptura139]

From your poll:
I will not carry with a round chambered, the trigger safety can be overridden by accident.

Anyone who feels this way, you could always make the trigger pull heavier. Then you would in essence have 3 or 4 safeties (depending on gun). If I made the trigger pull heavier on my XD, I would have 4, striker-block, trigger, grip, and then the heavier pull to provide additional protection from something hitting the trigger. I don't plan on making the pull heavier, as I am comfortable with the idea of carrying one in the chamber.

[kokapelli]

Doesn't that have a manual safety? my 24/7 PRO has a manual safety, very stiff, I love it. That's the reason I carry one in the pipe. (The trigger is the SA/DA restrike, so it's technically a cocked-and-locked single action) I would be uncomfortable carrying a DAO pistol with a 5 lb pull with no manual safety.
Yes, it does have a manual safety, but the safety can get knocked off and than you have a fully cocked pistol with a fairly short trigger.

This is just my opinion, but I feel the DAO does not need the safety, because it is not cocked until you actually pull the trigger.

[possum]

i carry an xd sc in a shoulder holster or paddle depending on the situation, i also have a rd in the chamber, i am a safe gun handler and i use the best safety of all the one between my ears and it has never failed me. my home defense gun is an xd service model which always has a rd in the chamber as well. i fill very safe about carrying them, ad i will continue to do so.