Back from boot camp, question on M14s


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MTMilitiaman
January 23, 2007, 05:59 PM
Hey guys. You may or may not remember I shipped out to MCRD in Oct. Well I am back now. Got my Eagle, Globe, and Anchor on the 18th. Got about a week of my 10 days of leave left before reporting to Camp Pendleton for 8 weeks of infantry training. You are probably not aware I came home for ten days of emergency leave in Dec because there was a family problem that needed dealt with. Actually more than that, my parents were involved in a car accident in which my mother was killed. It set me back a couple weeks in training, but it was worth it to be there for the funeral. Anyways, my dad wants to get something for each of "us kids" out of my mother's life insurance money. Him and my sister are both getting laptops. But if this is to be essentially my last gift from my mother, something to remember her by, I want it to be something a little longer lasting and more permanent than a computer, and something I will find more use and enjoyment out of. I have wanted a battle rifle for a long time so I think I am going to get an M14. The M14 is a rifleman's rifle--machined steel and wood--something with depth and character. It is a rifle fitting to remember someone buy. I told my dad I'd pay the difference but I'd still like it to be in the $2000 to $2200 range. I am not looking for a fancy National Match rifle, just your basic service rifle with a chrome lined barrel. Right now I am looking at Fulton Armory, but I wanted to know how they compare to LRB. On the website, the Fulton looks nicer, but the LRB seems to be a little more expensive, so maybe it is the higher quality rifle, I don't know. I'd just like your thoughts on what to look for when buying an M14, and what people thought about these two companies.

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dixierifleman
January 23, 2007, 06:02 PM
hey im right behind you. just signed up today. leave for MEPS monday and tuesday. then off to Parris Island. get my 10 days home. then to Infantry School.

sorry to hear about your mother. best regards to you and your family. i think a rifle would be a great reminder of her. and an M14; cant beat that for one thatll last you.

Kaylee
January 23, 2007, 06:09 PM
:eek: :(

I'm so sorry about your mother.

Congratulations on your graduation, and thank you for signing up.

Wish I could offer advice on the M14 thing.. but you're already out of my league. :)

Zak Smith
January 23, 2007, 06:12 PM
For my money, I'd go with the LRB.

Sniper X
January 23, 2007, 06:15 PM
The civillian version of the M14 is the M1A available from Springfeild Armory for about $1000.00 and well worth every penny. I was in the US Army Special Forces for 10 years and a qualified sniper. I started on the XM25, which was an experimental M14 accurized and using a Leatherwood Camputer sniper scope with comeups on a ring behind the turrets. The rifle was great, and became the M21 SWS or sniper weapons system, Then the Army went to a bolt gun the M24 which was a Model 700 action and heavy barrel not unlike the USMC M40. I love the M14-M1a serries and one day will either have an M1A or a SOCOM....check them out on springfieldarmory.com

Oh, and Semper Fi!

thereisnospoon
January 23, 2007, 06:17 PM
I've had 3 different Polytech Rifles over the last few years and each one of them was a thing of beauty.

If you really want to drop that kinda money, go for the LRB, since it is a FORGED receiver (like the POLY).

Sorry about your mother. Hopefully every time you squeeze off a round you'll remeber her...

MrDig
January 23, 2007, 06:18 PM
Out of my league as well But I do want to convey that, I am sorry to hear of your loss, and I am truly greatful for your service.
I have admired the basic walnut stock for some time.
My rational for wanting Walnut is that if necessary it is better to use when "Butt Smashing" than synthetic stocks. This is just my opinion but I don't think the Synthetic would have the same effect, report, or gratification when used QQC as a blunt object.

Sniper X
January 23, 2007, 06:36 PM
Nothing plastic is as "real" as an M1A with a walnut stock. And therrefore not a "Marine rifle" like the M14 was. Remember Full Metal Jacket, when they were still using M14s as the basic riflemans rifle? Get a real M-14 allbeit not full auto...get an M1A. Oh, and on the thing about a PIC of the arms room, or Armory tech being able to take your rifle to the range and shoot it, if that would have happened in the Army in MY arms room the PIC of the Armory would have been busted out of the service, does that happen in the Marine Corps? Not in any arms room I was ever in charge of in the US Army!

Coronach
January 23, 2007, 07:15 PM
Im general, I agree with the above posters who advise you to bank the money in a CD or similar investment and withdraw it when you muster out. You can still earmark it for a M14, the difference is that you'll also make money while you're off killing people and breaking things (and unable to use your new rifle, anyway)

The only snag in this is if you believe that the M14 clones will be made illegal or prohibively expensive via legislative action in the interim. Personally, I don't think that will happen, but who knows? If you have a good, secure place to store the gun off-base, I probably would just buy it now, just to be safe. The money you make off of the CD will probably be mostly eaten up by inflation in the cost of rifle over the intervening years. Not completely, but mostly.

If you do NOT have a secure place to store it (away from weather, curious fingers and thieves), I would absolutely invest the money.

My condolences about your mom and my thanks for your service. Honor her memory and serve your nation- she's watching. Semper Fi!

Mike

MTMilitiaman
January 23, 2007, 07:34 PM
Yeah the rifle would stay with my dad, who would be more than happy to keep the dust off of it, and give it a light coat of oil every once in a while. It's official--Hillary has entered the race. I don't claim to be an expert on her chances of winning the Dem primaries, let alone the presidency, but I am skeptical of the Republican's chances of keeping the White House. I'd rather buy the rifle now, even if it means I don't get to use it until my next leave date, sometime in the unknown future.

So LRB has a forged receiver, as compared to what for the Fulton receiver, and offering what advantages? Honest question here as I have no idea.

30Cal
January 23, 2007, 07:35 PM
I'd probably get an SA Inc (which you could get today rather than waiting several months).



Ty

30Cal
January 23, 2007, 07:43 PM
The Fulton receiver is cast (they actually buy them from Armscorp). In theory, the forged receiver will last longer--either way, you'll need to buy barrels (lots of them) in order to get a quantitative answer.

Ty

U.S.SFC_RET
January 23, 2007, 07:45 PM
Go ahead and get the rifle because it will mean a hell of alot to you in the years to come. I have a rifle I purchased back in '84 and it means a ton to me and I bought it when I was in the service. If you can't keep it in your possession while in the service then let your dad keep it for you. Beats a CD at any rate in this case. Listen to someone who's put 20 years into the service, it can be done easily. It's the smart thing to do, A computer will die off in short time an M1A won't. Something to remember your mother by and also to commemorate your Eagle Globe and Anchor. Good luck with the Marines. Remember that in finding direction without a compass by simply using a watch is point the Twelve O:Clock towards the Sun and between the sun and the hour hand is the general direction of south . Don't worry, they will teach you that kind of stuff and a whole lot more when you go to infantry school anyhow.

Sniper X
January 23, 2007, 07:49 PM
Here is what you want....buy it now and love it FOREVER!

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=15

Frog48
January 23, 2007, 09:23 PM
Springfield M1A is the way to go, in my opinion.

armoredman
January 23, 2007, 10:07 PM
Well done, Marine. Condolences on your loss.

hank327
January 23, 2007, 10:08 PM
I would go with the LRB for the forged receiver and all USGI parts. It's the closest you can come to an actual USGI M-14. I don't have a problem with the cast receiver used by Springfield Armory. What does concern me about Springfield is that in their current production rifles, they use few if any USGI surplus parts. The quality of the commercial non USGI parts is very suspect.
I have an older Springfield M1A that has USGI parts and it has been great.

Since you have the money and this rifle will be a tribute to your mom and to your becoming a Marine, I suggest you go all out and get the LRB. You will never regret paying for quality.

My deepest condolences on the loss of your mother.

tbtrout
January 23, 2007, 10:16 PM
Semper Fi, I would go with the Springfield. Remember when you are in the sand box " Locate, close with and destroy....."

God Speed

trbon8r
January 23, 2007, 10:28 PM
There are a couple ways you could go in my opinion.

The easiest way is to shop around for an older used Springfield M1A for sale. You can often get a good deal on a used rifle since people sometimes have a change in wants, needs, or financial situation. It's not unusual to see a good older M1A stuffed full of original GI parts for $1400 or maybe even less.

Another alternative is to buy a Springfield receiver for around $500 and find a GI parts kit which will run about $1000. Get yourself a good smith to put it together and you should have a nice rifle for under 2 grand.

LRB sells their bare receiver for $900+ and doesn't offer any practical benefit over Springfield. Don't get caught up in the cast vs. forged hype. SA Inc. has a good reputation for making solid receivers that will outlast the man shooting it. Where SA Inc. falls down on the job is in the quality of some of their reproduction parts they've produced in recent years. The receivers are fine. Sure SA has turned out a clunker or two, but so has LRB.

I still say the best way to go is to learn to identify repro from original parts, shop around, and find yourself an older SA Inc. and save a bundle of cash, even if it means postponing your purchase until you get back.

pccraig
January 23, 2007, 10:41 PM
Semper Fi

People will tell you now that you're entering the FMF to keep your head down.

They'll never understand.

MikePGS
January 23, 2007, 10:45 PM
I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you for serving.

kludge
January 23, 2007, 10:51 PM
Remember that in finding direction without a compass by simply using a watch is point the Twelve O:Clock towards the Sun and between the sun and the hour hand is the general direction of south .

Actually it's the other way around. Point the hour hand at the sun. Oh, and if you're on DST subtract an hour.

yongxingfreesty
January 23, 2007, 10:53 PM
congrats to you!

Brian Williams
January 23, 2007, 10:58 PM
Condolences and
Semper Fi
75-79


Get the LRB

and then you need to save up and get 2 of the most loved rifles of the Marines, a 1903 and a Garand.

Also start saving for a Marines Handgun, a 1911.

Keep your head down and listen to the Sarge.

shaggycat
January 23, 2007, 11:02 PM
I have no first hand experience with M14s, but allow me to thank you for your service.

rangerruck
January 23, 2007, 11:05 PM
since you are not gonna be able to shoot it for a few years, really, I like the idea of the 2 yr cd. then when you get some 'real world' time, or get back to the big px, then decide what you wanna do with it. You may decide to cash out the interest on the cd, use that to buy a big hunk of your rilfe, and roll the cd over. From my military experience, money is a damn tough thing to come by, to hold onto, or too stack, when you are a private snuffy. You don't start making decent money, until you become a NCO. even then , the cheese is still hard to stack.

Sunray
January 23, 2007, 11:59 PM
You won't be buying an M-14. You'll be buying a clone. Either way, I'd suggest you wait until you get to your first posting. Unless you get sent to a boat.
In any case, look into an M1A. Fulton's are way over priced. They want 2 grand for their standard M-14 clone. Your 2 grand or so will buy you up to a National Match M1A from Springfield Armoury Inc. MSRP $2113 with a steel match grade barrel and walnut stock. $2165 for a SS match grade barrel.
Condolences on the loss of your ma.

Winger Ed.
January 24, 2007, 03:54 AM
Sorry to hear of your loss.

And welcome to the brotherhood.

I was in one of the last Platoons to train at Parris Island in the Summer of '73 that was issued M-14s.
The next series behind us- and from then on, got the black plastic rat guns.

Anyway, the M-14 has always had a special place in my heart, and a few years after I got out, I bought a rack grade Springfield M1A. The others are fine, blah, blah, blah,, but Springfield is still the benchmark for M1As.

They're drying up, but there is still GI issue 'accesories' available for it.
Once you get the rifle & preferably the wooden stock,,, you can dress it up.

GI bi-pods are here and there for about $150. Bayonets are about $50. If you really want a fiberglass stock, or a 'beater' wooden stock, surplus ones are around for 15-75 bucks with the cutouts for the M-14, but they're no big deal to fill in.

I didn't say this, but once ya get out in the Fleet, you may be able to scrounge parts for one too. Not the reciever since they are all serialized, but pretty much everything else.

Back in the 70's they were scraping out ga-zillions of old .45s and various rifles. If you got bought a reciever 'out in town', the Armory guys would build the rest of a .45 or a 03-A3 from the tons of spare parts in thier bins, and trade it back to ya for about a case of beer. Sure, it was assembeled from all used parts, but they were put together right, and worked.

Have a good tour.

Semper Fi,
Ed. 73-80

.

byf43
January 24, 2007, 09:45 AM
Sniper X wrote:
The civillian version of the M14 is the M1A available from Springfeild Armory for about $1000.00 and well worth every penny.
Oh, and Semper Fi!


MTMilitiaman,

First. . . I'm truly sorry to hear of your loss.

Second. . . . I am in complete agreement with purchasing an M14/M1A as a gift from your Mom. (Mom's estate.) This gift will last for generations if cared for properly. (Listen to me. . . Attempting to tell a Marine to take care of his weapon. Where is my brain?):uhoh:

Third. . . for the record, yes, Springfield Armory, Inc. (SAI) markets the M1A. LRB and others market the same type rifle, and have named it M14. LRB, Armscorp, Smith Enterprises, Poly-Tech and Norinco, come to mind.
So, the terminology M14 is correct, just as Kleenex is correct to say 'tissue.'

Moving on. . . .Not to flame or insult, but, I know of a couple of friends that have had not-so-good service from Fulton, lately. Again, not to insult, but, be forewarned. They kept one rifle for over a year and it came back in worse shape than when it went to them. Caveat emptor.

Springfield Armory, Inc. (SAI) has a 'Lifetime Warranty' policy on their M1A. I would give this at least some thought.
LRB rifles are very good. Pricey, but good.

For a better education on the M14/M1A, I suggest that you might want to check-in across the street at M-14forum.com.
There are a lot of knowlegeable guys over there, and a wealth of information, including gunsmiths/builders of the fabulous M14!!!

Be forewarned, however. When you acquire your first M14/M1A, you will be hooked. Then, 'The Rule of Two(s)' take over. They are just like potato chips. You won't be satisfied with just one!


Lastly. . . . Thank You for your service.

JWarren
January 24, 2007, 10:25 AM
I am so sorry for your loss.

Regarding the "Get an M1A" verses "Put the money in a CD" debate:

I am probably the only Investment Advisor you will meet that tells you to get the rifle. I have a number of reasons, but I will try not to over-complicate the issue.

First, Money is a tool, nothing more. There are many people that spend their entire lives hording as much as they can, and in the end it will not be what makes them happy. Being in the business of making people money, that is an odd statement to make. Yet, it is true. Financial planning and investments are important, but you will have money to do that with. The money from your mother's estate will only be there once, and it was your father's wish that you have something to remember her with.

Second, A CD is a horrible investment vehicle, generally speaking. You will not really make any money on it when you factor in a few things. One, they are a taxable investment instrument. That means any interest you get is subject to taxes, reducing the total monies of gained from the interest. Taking that out, you are left with a smaller amount of yield. Now, overall the adverage inflation rate in the US over the last 30 years has been roughly 3%. That means that things the cost you $1.00 now could feasibly cost you $1.03 next year. (this varys in spikes, as one would expect)

Once you have paid your taxes and then re-adjusted your "Real Money" gain from your CD interest, you haven't done much more-- if anything-- than MAINTAIN the money's value. I've seen cases over the last 15 years where people have actually LOST buying power by holding CDs. The only real advantage to a CD is that it's value is protected against the failure of that institution by FDIC insurance.

Third, I've seen countless people have a small pool of money but constantly chisel into it for various percieved needs. Over a fairly short period of time, the money is erroded to not much. I am not saying you would do that, but I would truly hate to see that happen. Then you would have nothing to honor your father's wish for your mother's estate.

Since you mentioned earlier a number around 2K, there may be a compromise situation. It seems a lot of people are suggesting that you can obtain an M1A in the price range of a bit upwards of 1K. Why not buy the rifle with some money, and put the rest towards an investment vehicle.

Since you are young, you have more ability to be aggressive in investment over the long run. CDs aren't your baby here. Even corporate bonds outstrip them in yield. I love preferred class stock in many cases, but that may not be appropriate for you. You may be best served with an index-linked mutual fund-- with the understanding that it is a longer term investment and that there can and WILL be fluctuations in it Asset Value.

One thing you may like to look into is putting the investment vehicle in an IRA. This could afford you significant tax advantages now or in the future, depending on what type of IRA is used.

PM me if you are interested in this route and I will be happy to help you with understanding any of the options I've mentioned. I am certian I am not licensed in your state, so I'm not offering any services beyond helping a friend where I can help. I can also steer you in the right direction as to who would be good to work with-- and who to AVOID like the plaque!


All the best!


John






Legal Disclaimer: The above statements should be construed as investment advice. This is not a solicitation for business. Any investment contains the risk of loss of principle. Please consult an investment professional before investing.

Poper
January 24, 2007, 10:49 AM
JWarren:
I am not a financial wiz, but wouldn't 3% inflation equate to $1.03 in lieu of $1.30 over one year?:confused:
Just curious.
Poper

JWarren
January 24, 2007, 10:51 AM
Jeebus.... good catch. I am editing now. See what happens when I try to think before I finish that first cup of coffee?

Thanks for the catch. We definately don't want to see 30% inflation anytime soon!


All the best!

John

Telperion
January 24, 2007, 11:29 AM
For that kind of money, I'd like an LRB personally. Builders like Ted Brown have praised the LRB and said that it's the best receiver in production today. The cast vs. forged debate is like the Colt vs. others debate for AR-15s. There are some people who like Colt ARs because they follow the M16 TDP closer than other shops. But think about the kind of shooting you do and whether the extra money is worth it.

If you want an LRB or Fulton (or other custom M14 type), I'd suggest to call the company and order right away. I believe there's a quite a wait for those rifles.

LRB and Fulton use mostly GI parts to assemble their rifles. The M14 was only in service for 8 years, so there are a limited quantity of parts out there. The dwindling supply of these parts means the cost of their rifles will almost certainly appreciate faster than any 2-year CD.

sixgunner455
January 24, 2007, 12:26 PM
Get the rifle, some ammo and accessories.

A rifle has tangible value that doesn't diminish, unless you neglect the weapon. Money? Pffft, and it's gone, and what do you have to show for it? A laptop? Good grief. It'll be obsolete before they get it.

Get the rifle you want, and keep it forever.

mattw
January 24, 2007, 01:07 PM
First off: Sorry to hear about your mom and congradulations on the EGA.

Secondly: I've got a springfield M1A. My advice is to get the springfield standard M1A model and save the other $700 you were going to spend on the LRB and buy a good scope and mount.

Forged reciever? You think that really matters? You will be rotting in the ground before you wear out the cast reciever. Springfield Armory has a life-time warranty on all their stuff anyway.

Lastly: Good luck and be safe out there. If I get selected by the PLC review board I'll be finding out how boot camp was first hand. If all goes according to plan and I can hack it, I should be an O1 in a couple years. Man thats a long ways off... Mucho respect for doing it now. Enlisted life has got to suck.

MTMilitiaman
January 24, 2007, 02:43 PM
Wow, I never dreamed this would take me into investment advice as well.

One thing I noticed on the LRB wesbite is the selector cutout looks like butt. How difficult would it be and how much would it cost to get a stock without the selector cutout? The LRB is sounding like my baby right now. I know I could probably shoot a Springfield for the rest of my life and not have to worry about wearing out a cast receiver, but this is a heirloom that could conceivably be handed down for generations. Right now I have the opprotunity to buy something top-of-the-line, something really nice, to remember my mother buy. I am not likely to have this kind of opprotunity again, and that is why I came here seeking advice over which is best.

I am gonna have to wait a while until I can contribute $400 or $500 to cover the difference, and I know the rifle will take some time to build, but that is fine with me. I am going to be in Camp Pendleton for 8 weeks and then on to my first duty station, so it will be an unknown but likely extended period of time before I am home again anyways. I know my dad and my brother will take good care of it while I am gone, and it will be here when I get a chance to come home again.

Seven High
January 24, 2007, 03:03 PM
I suggest that you get your rifle now. When you are half way around the world in a stressful enviroment, you will have something positive to think about. It will give you something to look forward to. It will make a big difference. I know from first hand experience. :)

30Cal
January 24, 2007, 04:18 PM
The cut-out is standard on GI stocks and is not existant on commercial stocks. Stocks are cheap.

Ty

xtarheel
January 24, 2007, 04:38 PM
I got a SA, took it out of that nice new stock and put it into a 60's vintage military stock from Fred's and then a dummy selector from Sparrow HawK to fill the cut out.

It looks authentic and classy!

Freelance Tax Collector
January 24, 2007, 11:42 PM
Hey MT! I don't know if you remember me from totse and rlpincas short lived forum. I earned my title back in September (Kilo co. PLT 3018) and I'm with 1/5 here at Camp San Mateo (62 area), just a few miles North of 52 Area where SOI is.

A good buddy of mine in the 10th Mountain bought a Springfield national match with a fiberglass stock. He bought it about 6 months before I went to boot camp and had me do all the FFL stuff, so I got to keep the rifle up until he went on leave, right before I went to boot camp. Very fond of that rifle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/762x51mm/m14lowready.jpg

Since then, he's put on an IOR 6x Super M1 with the MP9/NATO reticle. Of course a high cheek weld was necessary, as was his reluctant acceptance to only shoot 168 grain ammo (to be compatible with the BDC).

Hey, if you're interested, we oughta link up sometime and have a drink or something. Like I say, I'm just up the road from SOI. My e-mail btw is enl_chrysostom@yahoo.com

Sorry to hear about your mom.

MTMilitiaman
January 25, 2007, 12:11 AM
Hey MT! I don't know if you remember me from totse and rlpincas short lived forum.

Yes, I do remember you. Sane voices were few and far between in Totse, and I tried to remember them when I found them.

Just for grins, here's some pics of my last two days on MCRD:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=51973&stc=1&d=1169698091

Me in the Moto Run. I am the tall one with BCGs.

EDITTED: Actually I think this is when we were all lined up right after the Moto Run. I know. I don't look all that motivated, but at that point I am thinking "I just ran your four miles, now get to the part where I get my EGA so I can get a Monster and a Snickers bar."

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=51975&stc=1&d=1169698091

Again, tall one with BCGs, second rank, closest to the camera.

Freelance Tax Collector
January 25, 2007, 12:16 AM
Hahaha I've got a pair of those too. Looks like your platoon was at the brand new house- they were building that when I was at boot camp. Also looks like your guide is company honor man, did yall get honor platoon?

MTMilitiaman
January 25, 2007, 12:36 AM
Nah we missed Honor Platoon. We had 17 people fail PRAC and missed Final Drill by like 3 points. I don't understand how it is possible to fail PRAC anymore than I understand how it is possible to unq' at the range, but I guess some people manage. Whatever :confused:

They've since moved construction on to other barracks. Unfortunately, it wasn't ours. Our barracks needed a major over haul. None of the urinals worked (69 people lined up around 7 toilets, and they have 2 minutes to take care of business and be on line. After you've pee'd three to a toilet for 13 weeks, that weirdo in the next urinal over that keeps looking at you in the Denny's restrooms doesn't phase you as much.) we had some kind of water pipe leaking in a corner that constantly had half an inch of water on the deck, and the wind slammed a porthole closed and it broke so we clear taped a broken down box over it. Fun times.

Langenator
January 25, 2007, 12:45 AM
MTM, I commanded a basic training company at Ft Jackson for 20 months. Yes, it's the Army, and Army doctrine teaches shooting moreso that marksmanship. But I still saw some amazinly bad shooting. I'm talking hitting 3 out of 40 targets on the qual range (pop-ups, 50-300m).

Ironically, my last company was the best, and that was the one where we integrated the new standard (20 targets prone supported, 10 kneeling, 10 prone unsupported, all of it in body armor).

Transition's easier on closer targets when you're kneeling. Just move your knee back and forth a little, flex or relax your back, settle in and let the SAPI plates take some of the weight.

mattw
January 25, 2007, 04:33 AM
Sorry to get off topic, but it seems that some people just can't hack it when it comes to BMR. My brother just finished Army basic a few months ago and he was one of 8 out of a company to qualify expert.

Are those pop ups as easy as they look? That rifle qual looks like a joke to me.

Powderman
January 25, 2007, 05:23 AM
MT:

Get the M14--your choice of rifle. I hear good things about the LRB; I have a Springfield Armory NM. I love that rifle!

On a side note: the proudest day of my life was watching my son march across that parade deck at MCRD San Diego. Congratulations, Marine!

Finally, my heartfelt condolences about your mother. You've made her proud.

Thin Black Line
January 25, 2007, 09:58 AM
You're in my prayers.

CajunBass
January 25, 2007, 10:15 AM
I know nothing about M-14's, M-1a's or much of anything firearms related really, but I wanted to say I'm sorry for the loss of your mother. I'm sure she's very proud of you today.

And thank you for your service to our country. Godspeed Marine.

Smite
January 25, 2007, 03:02 PM
Eh MT, congrats, and welcome aboard. IMO Pendletons real nice bro, alot better than Camp Lejeune or any other east coast bases you could get put in.
You'll get weekends off in ITB eventually, it's good times.

Hey Freelance, It's shotokan From totse, never did get a chance to kick it with ya, the offer still stands, if you don't mind the whole P.O.G deal. There's a nice trap/skeet range right next to the air station where I'm at. Its cheap as all ****. If you want to go shootin' feel free to hit me up, Its about 25 for 2 boxes of 12 guage and a rental.

tverichaus@gmail.com

I'll be there next payday guarenteed if your interested.

ocabj
January 25, 2007, 03:31 PM
If you shoot highpower, the Santa Margarita Gun Club holds Across the Course and mid-range tournaments each month on base (Camp Pendleton) at the Wilcox Range (103). Plus, the matches are free for active duty and reserves in uniform.

langenc
January 25, 2007, 08:23 PM
Sorry to hear about Mom esp under the circumstances.

Thank you for enlisting.

What a great way to remember Mom-as stated every time you take it out she will be with you and her grandkids someday.

Freelance Tax Collector
January 25, 2007, 10:14 PM
Yeah, I don't know if you saw my other post on totse. I'll have to find some transportation to margarita or thereabouts, it would be convenient if I was still there. I'll try to hit up a buddy of mine that's still in 1st recon too. In case you forgot, my e-mails on my other post. Which camp are you at?

Brother in Arms
January 26, 2007, 01:10 AM
Im sorry to hear of your mother passing away. That must be difficult, I don't know what I would do if I lost my mother.

Congradulations on completing boot camp. Im sure she would be proud.

If I had to choose between a Fulton and the LRB Id go with the LRB. They are both good qaulity firearms and the LRB are more exspensive. But go for the LRB. They are only going to go up in price and be less available in the future. So even if you can't have it for a few years while your in the service it will be worth it when you get back.

also check out

http://m-14forum.com

its one of the most imformational forums on the net about the m-14 and civillian variants.

Brother in Arms

MTMilitiaman
January 26, 2007, 12:44 PM
Okay another potentially stupid question here but I just got off the phone with my bro, who is in the 101st Airborne. He already has one tour in the sandbox under his belt and will likely have another in August. He said he saw several M14s in Iraq, and all of them were made by Springfield Armory. This has me wondering why USGI components are so important in the M14? Is the lack of USGI components in the Springfield Armory rifles really that big of a disadvantage anymore?

General Geoff
January 26, 2007, 12:54 PM
There are two different rifles that have been made by Springfield Armory. The ORIGINAL M14s (from the 60's) were made by the Government Springfield Armory. The newer semi-auto only M14s (M1As) are made by Springfield Armory, Inc. which is technically unaffiliated with the now-defunct government armory of the same name.

The original pieces were all built to mil specifications, and are all full auto, with forged receivers. The M1As are semi-auto only, and have investment-cast receivers, which are at least 95% as strong as the original forged receivers, just much easier to manufacture. Other than the receiver/selector switch, all of the new SAI parts and original USGI parts are interchangeable as far as I know.

And no, it's not a disadvantage to have all new SAI parts. After all, they are covered by a lifetime warranty.


Edit; if you get a chance, tell him next time he sees an M14 in Iraq, to look at the receiver stamping. If it's original, it'll have "US RIFLE M!4" on it. If it's an M1A (which I don't think it is), it'll have "US RIFLE M1A" on it, like this (http://www.shadowflareindustries.com/images/m1a/m1a1.jpg).

boerseun
January 26, 2007, 01:03 PM
My condolences on your loss - m prayers are with you and your family!

Get the M1A with walnut stock - it will last for generations.

mikeashurst
January 26, 2007, 01:51 PM
First, may your mother rest in peace with the Lord God. I'll pray for you.

Thank you for fighting for our beloved country. It's people like you who keep our country free.

I have a Springfield Armory, Inc. "loaded" standard M1A that I bought new in early 2006. Great, great, rifle. Now I want another one.

Gator
January 26, 2007, 05:55 PM
Hey MARINE!

Condolences for your loss, but congratulations on becoming a Marine.

I have two SA inc. M1As and one M14 semi auto clone built on an LRB receiver with all USGI parts. I had the M1As for quite a few years before I got the LRB and didn't have any major problems, but I wanted one as glose to a real M14 as possible (forged receiver) so I got the LRB.

I much prefer the LRB.

Semper fi Jarhead!

P.S. I know the Poly-Tech and Norinco receivers are forged and by all accounts very good quality, but I'll NEVER own a commie M14! It's just wrong :evil:

Brother in Arms
January 26, 2007, 06:06 PM
General Geoff said it best about U.S. Army Springfield Armory and the commercial corporarion of similiar name.

The likely reason your brother has only seen Springfield Armory marked M14's is because they produced the highest number of M14 rifles. 3 other manufacturers produced them as well, Olin-Mathieson chemical corp. (winchester) Harington and Richardson Arms Co.(H&R) Thompson-Ramo-Wooldridge (TRW)

Brother in Arms

byf43
January 26, 2007, 06:18 PM
General Geoff wrote:

The original pieces were all built to mil specifications, and are all full auto, with forged receivers. The M1As are semi-auto only, and have investment-cast receivers, which are at least 95% as strong as the original forged receivers, just much easier to manufacture. Other than the receiver/selector switch, all of the new SAI parts and original USGI parts are interchangeable as far as I know.


The only item that I will add is they are full-auto CAPABLE, but, have had the selector(s) either removed or blocked/locked.
I'm not sure of date(s) but, the military found that the M14 in full-auto fire was not really that controllable (paraphrasing here) and so, the selector was removed/blocked.

KHawk
January 26, 2007, 08:21 PM
I got to agree with Sniper X on this one.
I went through basic (Fort Knox) back in 1964. We were the first Army company to start basic with M14's. Suffice it to say, it has never lost it's attraction for me. The M1A basic model from SA is the closest modern production weapon that I have seen and fired. ALSO - later if you want to upgrade, they are very easy to work with.

Good choice in Weaponery, and thanks for your service.

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