MG-42 caliber


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brian71mm
January 23, 2007, 11:38 PM
I just bought an MG-42 for 5 grand from a friend of mine just before he moved to chicago. What I want to know is if the 7.92 cartridge is 8mm. If anyone can help I would be ver gratefull. Thanks.

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carterbeauford
January 23, 2007, 11:41 PM
7.92x57MM = 8MM Mauser. Get some pics of that bad boy!

Pilgrim
January 23, 2007, 11:51 PM
I just bought an MG-42 for 5 grand from a friend of mine just before he moved to chicago.
Lucky you.

Pilgrim

Exposure
January 23, 2007, 11:52 PM
Do you mean a full auto MG42?

The MG42 is orginally chambered in 8MM Mauser to answer your question.

If it is a registered gun and you want to make a decent profit on your five grand investment then please PM me right away.

I'm not joking. I have cash in hand.

hank327
January 24, 2007, 12:10 AM
You got a genuine full auto WWII MG-42 General Purpose Machine Gun for only $5,000.00? :what: Dude, you need to run out and buy some lotto tickets right now! With that kind of luck, your sure to hit the Mega-Million jackpot! :)

Why don't neat things like that ever happen to me? :confused:

cbsbyte
January 24, 2007, 12:33 AM
This must not be a legaly registerd full auto MG-42 since it would cost over $25,000. So I am guessing it is a semi auto MG-42, either way it would use 7.92x57mm.

MSGT9410
January 24, 2007, 12:34 AM
Or it's on a semi-auto receiver...

rkba_net
January 24, 2007, 12:38 AM
Of course this could also be a pre or post 86 dealer sample...

goldshlagerxx
January 24, 2007, 12:40 AM
"This must not be a legaly registerd full auto MG-42 since it would cost over $25,000. So I am guessing it is a semi auto MG-42, either way it would use 7.92x57mm."

Not necessarily, he did state that the seller was a "friend" of his. For example, I could sell you my m11/9 for $1. If we are in the same state it's simply the matter of filing a form 4 ($200). If you're out of state, it's going to be $400. (form 4 - 3 - 3 -4). BTW, If you can find an mg-42 that is not a presample for $25k I'll buy it on the spot, sight unseen

"Of course this could also be a pre or post 86 dealer sample..."

It would be very embarrassing if a SOT didn't know the caliber of a mg-42. Even more so if it was a post sample - which doesn't make sense considering the vintage of the firearm.

Ian
January 24, 2007, 12:46 AM
Sometime you just find great deals. My dad got his (legal, papered) Type 99 Nambu light machinegun for a whopping $400 a few years ago.

Jim K
January 24, 2007, 01:16 PM
Some folks just have not kept up with the skyrocketing prices on auto weapons. Ten years ago, $5000 would probably have been reasonable.

FWIW, an MG.42 is not a good choice for long term shooting fun unless you can count on spare parts and expert support. They use a lot of stamped parts and were more or less a "shoot the hell out of it and junk it" gun. The MG.34 or M1919 is a better bet for long life and durability.

Jim

JesseL
January 24, 2007, 01:52 PM
Probably one of these (http://brpguns.com/mg42semi.htm)?

I also notice J&G has these parts kits (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/c/machine-guns-class-iii/p/german-mg-42-style-yugo-53-machine-gun-parts-kit-/cPath/175/products_id/1458) for sale. Not sure how much commonality actually exists between the Yugo M-53 and the MG-42

TexasRifleman
January 24, 2007, 02:24 PM
What I find most interesting is that someone would spend 5 grand on a firearm and not even know what kind of ammo it uses. :rolleyes: \

Why am I not believing this......

AZ Jeff
January 24, 2007, 02:36 PM
What I find most interesting is that someone would spend 5 grand on a firearm and not even know what kind of ammo it uses. \

Why am I not believing this......

Amen. Someone with $5K available to buy a collectable Title II weapon would normally have done the research to know the standard caliber(s) for that weapon.

byf43
January 24, 2007, 02:39 PM
A buddy of mine got a SEMI auto MG-42 (and a MG-34) from these folks.

http://brpguns.com/mg42semi.htm



They are in 8mm Mauser and also available in .308 Win!!!!!!!!!!


EDIT: I just watched some of the videos on the site listed here. That's at MY range!!!!!
The video of shooting at 200 yds from a benchrest is my shooting buddy.

hagar
January 24, 2007, 02:41 PM
If one of you offered me a registered full auto Nambu for $400, I'd buy it in a heartbeat sight unseen, and I have no idea what cartridge it shoots! Maybe 7.7 Japanese, whatever that is?

Some of the MG42's might have been rechambered to 30/06 or 7.62, so check with a gunsmith.

Mtdew
January 24, 2007, 02:53 PM
spare parts are cheap (currently) since the M53 parts are (for the most part) a direct copy. also J&G is $100 higher than everyone else on their kits

AFAIK no mg42's were ever converted to '06.. except for one done my the U.S. military in late WWII or early post war.. and never worked since they apparently forgot to account for the difference in OAL of the cartridges.

it's also easy to swap between 308 and 8mm. Just replace the barrel, top cover, feed tray and booster

Outlaws
January 24, 2007, 04:11 PM
What I find most interesting is that someone would spend 5 grand on a firearm and not even know what kind of ammo it uses. \

Why am I not believing this......

I might. Just depends on the people involved. An older gentleman (who collects various military items but is not a gun nut) offers it to a good friend (who also collects various military items) for the price he paid for it a few years back since he can't take it with him (since I don't think Chicago allows FA anything) doesn't sound too odd.

Not everyone has the internet and knows what stuff is going for these days, and even if they did, they might not care if its between friends.

Mtdew
January 24, 2007, 04:50 PM
I belive he knows the MG is 8mm but was unsure if 7.92 X 57 was the same as "8x57"

bartsimpson123844
January 24, 2007, 08:39 PM
I'f it is full auto, you could get into HUGE trouble with the government if they find out and you don't have a license.

Mtdew
January 24, 2007, 10:00 PM
I'f it is full auto, you could get into HUGE trouble with the government if they find out and you don't have a license.

Ugh.... there is NO license needed or availible to own MG's (unless you are a dealer, manufacturer or C&R collector)

if you can own a pistol (and live in a NFA friendly state) then all you basically need is to pay $200 and wait for the for the ATF to approve the form 4 and get your stamp (and yes it's really just a big $200 stamp)

Hoppy590
January 24, 2007, 10:28 PM
dont jump the gun and make claims that there are no machine gun licenses. while it is true there are no FEDERAL licenses, there are states that do require them.

pipboy
January 24, 2007, 10:51 PM
mg 42 was traditionally 8mm

Simonovfan
January 25, 2007, 12:15 AM
FWIW, an MG.42 is not a good choice for long term shooting fun unless you can count on spare parts and expert support. They use a lot of stamped parts and were more or less a "shoot the hell out of it and junk it" gun. The MG.34 or M1919 is a better bet for long life and durability.




The MG42 was/is a very durable weapon and actually far surpassed the more complicated MG34 in terms of reliability. It is in fact still used by Germany as the MG3 in a relatively unchanged form except for some modernization. It doesn't require anymore maintenance or parts than an M249 or M60 in our arsenal. And it's still considered to be the fastest firing single barrelled machine gun ever created.

J_Dillinger
April 23, 2008, 10:43 AM
I also notice J&G has these parts kits for sale. Not sure how much commonality actually exists between the Yugo M-53 and the MG-42

100% compatibility.........the M53 are made from the same dies & tooling from what I gather.

kBob
April 23, 2008, 11:09 AM
The first "MG-1" GPMGs were simply WWII manufactured 7.92 x57 MG-42s that had been converted to 7.62NATO.

The one I shot for my first award of the German Shooting Knot still had Waffen Amp marking on it.

I was told by one of my German weapons instructors that an MG 42 that had been tossed into the Danau RIver off a bridge between Ulm and Neu Ulm FRG in 1945 was recovered by a dredge in 1969. WHile the section of loaded belt in it was corroded and unusable the gun was hosed out with a high pressure water hose. Lubed by a person familure with them , a new belt of clean 7.92x57 mm slapped in it and it fired the belt up.

Sounds awfully fragile.

Actually one of the danish madsen MGs fired at a higher rate than the MG 42.

The high rate of fire was such that those MG-1 guns in the West German Army of the early 1970's not in use on veheicles as Anti Aircraft/ anti soft skinned vehicle guns typically had a rate reduction system to lower the rate of fire to something more useful to ground combat.

WHile I had no difficulty squeezing off single rounds with the M-60 with the occassional two shot burst, with the Infantry MG-1s I had difficulty getting off the trigger before three rounds were gone.

Before shooting the MG-42, by whatever name, a few times I thought it was neato beyound belief. After shooting it and teaching its use to US troops, I felt it was not as useful to Infantry as an M-60 that was in decent shape and well maintaned. IF I were King of a largish country I would actually prefer to arm my MG crew Minions with the M-60 or FN MAG over the MG-42. Maybe even the PKM.

If however someone offered me aproperly papered original Full AUto MG42 in 7.62NATO or the original 7.92x57 (BTW .30-06 is to long for the action) for 5000 US dollars, I would be down at the sheriffs office trying to get a signature on my tax stamp paper work right now.

-Bob Hollingsworth

TexasRifleman
April 23, 2008, 11:13 AM
If however someone offered me aproperly papered original Full AUto MG42 in 7.62NATO or the original 7.92x57 (BTW .30-06 is to long for the action) for 5000 US dollars, I would be down at the sheriffs office trying to get a signature on my tax stamp paper work right now.

I notice that the OP hasn't been back since he started this in January 07 :)

buck00
April 23, 2008, 01:37 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=3029128#post3029128

Didn't you ask this same question a year ago? You bought an MG42 for 5k without asking or considering what caliber it was? :confused:

Can we get some pics of your new addition? :scrutiny:

JesseL
April 23, 2008, 01:40 PM
This thread was started in January 2007.

Jim Watson
April 23, 2008, 02:46 PM
Yes, the O.P. is probably in Club Fed for a contraband machine gun.

Acheron
April 23, 2008, 03:13 PM
The Russian ShKAS machine gun in 7.62x54R had a firing rate of up to 1800 rpm. It was a relatively lightweight (10kg) single-barrel machine gun used in many different aircraft during the Second World War (I-153, I-16, LaGG, MiG-3, Pe-2, Il-2, Il-4, etc).

equitytrader
April 23, 2008, 05:28 PM
I see the situation with the original poster, but this made me wonder if the MG-42 fired the .318 or .323 ammo. Anyone know?

Acheron
April 23, 2008, 05:37 PM
Only guns produced before 1906 would have fired .318 inch ammo. Everything built after 1906 was chambered in .323 inch JS (really IS).

equitytrader
April 23, 2008, 05:39 PM
That's exactly what I wanted to know, J or JS. Vielen Danke.

Acheron
April 23, 2008, 05:44 PM
Bitte. :)

J_Dillinger
August 8, 2008, 05:45 PM
I see the situation with the original poster, but this made me wonder if the MG-42 fired the .318 or .323 ammo. Anyone know?

FWIW - The MG-42's shoot the 8mm Mauser as in 7.92x57mm

However, there are MG3's out there that shoot .308 cal. MG-42's and MG3's can be converted from 8mm to .308.

As far as my research goes, it's easier to go from 8mm to .308 than the other way around.

What does it involve ? ......changing the barrel (easy), feed tray, and feed cover. The belts work for both types of ammunition.

For more details on conversions, visit this site ----> http://brpguns.com/mg42semiowner.htm

:evil:

MGshaggy
August 8, 2008, 06:08 PM
What does it involve ? ......changing the barrel (easy), feed tray, and feed cover. The belts work for both types of ammunition.

Don't forget the booster.

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