[denfoote]

My Glock 36 is toast!! :mad:

I have no idea how to fix it. :confused:

What is happening is that the recoil will cause the nose of the next round to hit the slide stop, thus causing said slide to lock back!! I first thought it was my magazines, but a friend of mine that works at a gun shop was kind enough to lend me a brand new mag off the shelf to try. It did the same thing. We then explored the possibility of my thumb hitting the slide stop due to bad posture. That was not the cause either. The only thing left was the bullet nose theory, which proved itself when my friend shot the gun and it suffered the same stoppage. Those of you who have read my new sig line and know of my fondness for my beloved G36 have to feel my pain!! :banghead:

Any of you more experienced Glocksters out there know how to fix this??? I hate to have to send it back to Smyrna!!! :rolleyes: :fire:

Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I'm at my whit's end and am more than a little P.O.!!!

[Navy joe]

I would say look at your slide release spring tension. For now, bend the spring open to increase the tension and make sure you put it back in correctly when re-assembling. New slide releases are cheap too. It may look like the bullet nose is close in hand cycling since it is, but I doubt that is the problem assuming that you have been using that ammo and the problem just started. I haven't heard of a G36 being particularly ammo sensitive either.

[Boats]

Rid yourself of it. Life is too short for an untrustworthy weapon.:evil:

[Sarge]

To easy to trade; so why worry about it.

[Blackhawk]

Your PT-145 never left you with an inoperable gun as I recall.... :rolleyes: :D

[George Hill]

A Glock not perfect?

I don't get it.

Unpossible.

[Morgan]

Are you using a different type of ammo than before? Was it reliable before?

If you've changed ammo type/brand, then there's your answer. In any case, you probably need to take just a tiny bit off the inside of the slide lock so that the bullet nose won't hit, but the magazine follower still will. Personally, I'd let Glock do it.

[MMcCall]

Excellent, now we get treated to a couple years of Denfoote showing up in every single thread mentioning the G36, saying what a worthless POS it is, you're a retard if you buy one, and how he buried it out in the desert.

Joy!

[WonderNine]

I guess I'm just spoiled by Hi-Powers. I'm not used to a gun actually "not working as it should".

:D

Check out the slide catch spring. Perhaps it is weak. I would also pull the slide back and watch the round pass the slide stop to see how close it gets. Point the gun away from you and be very careful. Don't let your finger get near the trigger.

[New_comer]

Get rid of that gun.


The 45 may be too much of a brute for those puny guns.


Consider the 40 or the 9, maybe the XDsc , Glcok26/27, OR.... if you've got a lot of patience, the P2000sc. I'd wait a little while longer for any Taurus poly gun.


But I do remember you still have the Kahr, so you won't really be 'toothless'...

[HS/LD]

PM me and I can give you the contact details of my FFL Dealer.

I will (at no charge) take the Glock and torture it for you.
You have heard of Glock torture tests no doubt.

I will happily torture this irresponsible little gun for you... so you can get on with the more importnat parts of your life.

HS/LD

[surfinUSA]

Maybe your thumb is hitting the slide lock during recoil. I doubt this is an ammo problem.

[F4GIB]

Send it back to Glock for repair. Their service is wonderful, IMHO.

[Andrew Wyatt]

bury it in the desert. that fixed the Hi-point, right?

[DamnedDirtyApe]

My G30 was doing the same thing. I removed the slide stop.
End of problem. It is a distraction you don't need.

Lots and lots of guns don't stay open after the last shot, including every single revolver ever made.

[Tamara]

Let's see... All Hi-Points, Tauruses and Glocks suck now, right? :confused:

I hope your Kahr stays functional, you're running out of brands. ;)




(Or you could check to see if your slide stop is out of spec by A) ordering another one, or B) checking for interference with cartridge noses by holding the slide back while inserting a loaded mag and seeing if the bullet nose of the top cartridge is contacting the slide stop. If it is, a quick hit with a grinder should cure it.)

[WonderNine]

Maybe your thumb is hitting the slide lock during recoil. I doubt this is an ammo problem.

I would agree that is most likely what the problem is. Please check this out. Make sure you thumb is nowhere near the slidestop next time you shoot it.

[Longbow]

Are you using reloaded ammo? If you do, check OAL, it might be too long. That can cause premature lock back also. Even factory ammo has different lenght variation, so try different brands. Good luck!

[denfoote]

Excellent, now we get treated to a couple years of Denfoote showing up in every single thread mentioning the G36, saying what a worthless POS it is, you're a retard if you buy one, and how he buried it out in the desert.

Not true!!
My goal is to repair the little bugger and continue to carry it!!!
The Dark Side is not yet fully exorcised from my soul!!!
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


Also, no reloads!!
Winchester and PMC 230gr hardball!!
Remington 230 gr GS!!!
The only thing that feeds reliably is Triton 230gr +P Quik Shok!!!

[Andrew Wyatt]

why didn't you send your hi point in for repair?

[curt]

I'll vote in favor of a slide release problem. I've seen them break and i've seen them installed incorrectly. It looks like its okay but there is very little to no tension against its movement. Gun goes in recoil that the lever pops up and engages the slide.

My My what gleeful celebrations of a possible Glock failure. There is no such thing as a brand or model of any gun that never fails.

[mini14jac]

My KelTec P32 was doing this, until I sanded down the little "bump" on the slide stop that contacts the follower.

I had a Charles Daly ECS .45 about a month ago that was doing the same thing.
I shaved the bump on that one too.
Order a new slide stop, or let Smyrna fix it for you.

If you've already determined that it is not your grip, then the part is probably out of spec.
(No! Not on a Glock! :neener: )

It is an irritating problem to have, but it seems easily repairable.
If you lock the slide open, and insert a full mag, while looking down into the chamber, (with the muzzle pointing in a safe direction, finger off of trigger, of course) you should see the nose of the bullet brushing up against the slide stop.
That is what was happening on the two guns I had.
If it is not contacting there, then I give up.

[Cortland]

Consider the 40 or the 9, maybe the XDsc , Glcok26/27, OR.... if you've got a lot of patience, the P2000sc. I'd wait a little while longer for any Taurus poly gun.

You forgot to mention the Steyr S series! :cuss:

[Ian11]

I've shot quite a few Glocks, my own and various rentals. The only model that ever gave me trouble was a rental Glock 36. I like Glocks in general and even though the Glock 36 seems like an attractive package I purposely stayed away from it.

[Grump]

I've seen that problem when the slide stop spring was incorrectly installed.

Trace the bullet note theory by putting some soot on the bullets and looking for smudge-off when the failure occurs. That, or high-speed photography.:neener:

The spring problem involves the cross-pin it rides on. Any tiny bump when the slide is open, and the catch jumps up.

[New_comer]

You forgot to mention the Steyr S series! It's a compact alright, but not in the same size range as the subcompacts I mentioned... ;)

[Cortland]

It's a compact alright, but not in the same size range as the subcompacts I mentioned...

Oh, ok. In that case, I forgive you. :)

It's just that those poor Steyrs are so often overlooked, I get jumpy when Glocks and XDs are mentioned and the Steyr is left out.

FWIW, my compact .45 of choice is the S&W Chiefs Special. Of course, it's not a sub-compact, it's not polymer, and it's probably not germane to this discussion. So with that, I humbly depart. :neener:

[willyjixx]

You forgot to mention the Steyr S series!

are those not any good? i heard some bad things before but that was from someone pretty biased to steyr

[Cortland]

are those not any good? i heard some bad things before but that was from someone pretty biased to steyr

The Steyr S series is basically a Steyr M series pistol with a shorter grip and shorter barrel. Do a search on the Steyr M series pistols and I think you'll find a wealth of information. In the past there has been some concern about the Steyr's internal safety mechanisms (all theoretical), but these concerns seemed not to have panned out. It's a very safe gun.

The biggest thing going against the Steyr M series (and S series) is that it is so superior in so many ways to comparable Glocks, is about $200-$300 cheaper, and its relative obscurity thus makes it a constant and easy target for the wild-eyed foaming-mouthed hordes of Glock apologists.

[willyjixx]

is that the polymer gas blow back gun?

[Cortland]

is that the polymer gas blow back gun?

The Steyr GB was/is a non-polymer gas blow back 9mm. No longer made.

The Steyr M series (and S) is a polymer gun w/ typical semi-auto operation. It's in current production.

Or were you joking? :scrutiny:

[willyjixx]

nope i really didnt know.

i was thinking on getting one a whiles ago but no dealer around reno would carry or order. some just wouldnt cuz they didnt want to an the place i bought my walther told me what a piece of crap they are. so i would like to know more about em from someone who has exp with em.

[Powderman]

If you have ever fully disassembled the pistol, you might have put the pins in in the wrong order. Check with a Glock Armorer to make sure. If this is not the case, the spring might be broken. Easy to fix, takes about 10 seconds.

[Nero Steptoe]

The answer to the denfoote's problem was pretty simple, although not mentioned in this thread. He was using a slide stop lever that wasn't designed for the G36. Not too surprising that it didn't work, is it??

[willyjixx]

did he bury it in the desert yet? :D

[Cortland]

so i would like to know more about em from someone who has exp with em.

Well, I've got a Styer M9 with which I'm quite pleased. I've only put about 500 rounds through, but not a single jam so far. Here's my laundry list of "pros" (with anti-Glock bias in parentheses):

crisp trigger, short reset (crisper, shorter than Glocks)
unobstrusive manual safety (Glocks don't give you this option)
traditionally rifled barrel (you can shoot lead, unlike Glocks))
grip design fits a wide range of hand sizes
very low bore axis (lower than a Glock)
low felt recoil (lower than a Glock)
trapezoidal sights (some consider this a con, I think they're great; you can get traditional sights if you prefer)
same Tenifer slide finish as the Glocks
steel subframe with a polymer "housing" (compare to Glocks with slide rails molded into polymer)
fully supported chamber in the M40 ( ... I think you know what goes here ...)


Field stripping the Steyr is incredibly easy, as is removing the subframe from the polymer "housing."

The only real disadvantage of the Steyrs is that they're relatively new (1999) so they are no hi-cap (14 rounds for 9mm) magazines available, and no lights to fit the Steyr's proprietary accessory mount. With luck this may change. :)

I find it highly suspicious that anyone would call a Steyr M series a "piece of crap." Perhaps he wanted to sell you a Glock for $200 more?

Here's a review of the Steyr M9 (http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0BQY/10_45/55605820/p1/article.jhtml?term=Steyr+M9) from GUNS magazine (if you buy into such things).

Finally, you can buy the Steyr M9 from CDNN Investments (http://www.cdnninvestments.com) for $299. Just find a FFL who does cheap transfers, CDNN will probably already have their info on file, and you can order directly from CDNN. $299 for the gun + $10 shipping + $0 tax + FFL fee and you've yourself a bargain. :D

[denfoote]

The answer to the denfoote's problem was pretty simple, although not mentioned in this thread. He was using a slide stop lever that wasn't designed for the G36. Not too surprising that it didn't work, is it??

I did have the aforementioned part installed, however, I had it replaced with what was represented as a stock G36 slide stop, by a fellow who represented himself as a certified Glock armorer. I now think either he put in the wrong part or he put it in wrong!! I know another G.A whom I know is certified, although I do not know exactly what shop he is working for. I will have to call around and find him!!

[E357]

I would take the gun back to the first guy and let him charcoal caseharden the frame. Do the Glock trained armorers still use airplane glue?

Elliot

[willyjixx]

thank you Cortland!

Consequently he did have a few Para-Ordnances an GLocks laying around that he was more than willing to show me.

i bought the P-99 but i am still interested in a steyr.
i think ill keep looking. $299 for a dependable firearm in a 40 SW!!
cant beat that.

now the fully supported chamber. that adds to inherent accuracy right?

[Shmackey]

now the fully supported chamber....

Ruh roh.

[craigz]

You do know that a "certified Glock armorer" is a person who has completed a grueling eight-hour (including a lunch break) training class, right? Not exactly a comprehensive course of study.

[krept]

Have you talked to Ben @ Glockmeister? Might be worth the drive to Mesa.

Slide stop lever is a 2 min job. Maybe the guy that installed it bent the spring all up? I know if you try to put the part in before putting in the pin, it's very easy to bend it.

Just some thoughts...

cheers

[curt]

Denfoote, why did you have the slide release replaced in the first place?

[Handy]

Why not just spend the $10 on new parts and use the instructions on this here internet to do it right yourself. If you played with legos, you can do Glock "armorer" work.

[Andrew Wyatt]

no. the only viable course of action is to bury the pistol in the desert.

[curt]

but where andrew? the desert is rapidly getting filled up with discarded pistols, cars and computers.

[gharsh]

Bury it...Bury it...Bury it....Just think of all the fun you're giving future archealogists when they find that cache of weapons in the desert. :cool:

[Cortland]

now the fully supported chamber. that adds to inherent accuracy right?

I'm once again inclined to suspect that you're joking :scrutiny: ... but you weren't before so here goes:

Some people believe (http://communities.prodigy.net/sportsrec/glock/gz-glock-kb.html) that the large caliber Glocks' unsupported chamber results in a disproportionately high number of catastrophic failures. :uhoh:

[willyjixx]

Cortland you are either gonna think im a freakin idiot or have rampant sense of humor. So ill just shut up now:D

thanks again though poppin up that website at work sure got me some odd looks! (note to self......Turn Off Speakers)

[Andrew Wyatt]

curt: the same place he buried the hipoint without bothering to contact the manufacturer or switch ammunition types or anything.

[Handy]

The next time someone feels like buying a cheap pistol that might need to get buried, please just send the $150 to a charity instead.

[denfoote]

Have you talked to Ben @ Glockmeister? Might be worth the drive to Mesa.

That's where it's going this weekend, provided Ben is in town and not at a show somewhere!!! ;)

Denfoote, why did you have the slide release replaced in the first place?

Small hands!!! :D

[twolf]

I second the notion of replacing it but I would first have it fixed by Glock. I traded a firearm several years ago that I knew was not reliable then felt guilty because I did not want anyone to rely on it as is.

[Grump]

Denfoot, did you ever check out Curt's suggestion? This really sounds like a fixable problem.

[denfoote]

By this weekend, if the armorer can't fix the problem, (I let him convince me to let him take another look at it before it went to Georga) it will be winging it's way back to to Dixie!!!