[zpo]

http://www.amderringer.com/lms.html

Was toolin' around the web and saw this,(lm4) and thought a tiny .45 acp would be fun. Anybody have any info about similar guns,(the lm4 is limited production, and a little ugly).
Thanks in advance.

[arinvolvo]

Sure that is a fine gun of your dont like your trigger finger much...

almost a guarantee that gun is going to hurt like hell to shoot.

My mini 32ACP autauga MKII is of similar size, and it even hurts to shoot.

[Penman]

It's an interesting unit, basic design inspired by a blowFORWARD action, but manually operated. After each shot, you rack the slide forward to eject and chamber.

[foghornl]

Something to consider......

Old shooting buddy bought one of the American Derringers in .357Mag oh, around 1991 or so. Last time I asked, he still had 49 of the original box of 50 Rem 158-Gr SJHP ammo. When I pressed for an explanation, it was something along the line of "...A tiny fractional bit more "Kick" than I expected....":what:

[gbelleh]

That web page says "Simmerling". Isn't it supposed to be "Semmerling"?

Those guns are very, very expensive when you can find them.

[9mmepiphany]

it is semmerling

i haven't seen one of the original semmerlings and it was very nicely made.

1. it is clip loaded
2. the trigger locks the barrel to the rear during firing
3. it is cycled by grabbing the barrel/slide and pulling it forward to eject the spent case
4. pushing the barrel back into battery chambers the next round
5. it doesn't kick near as hard as a .357 derringer (i only got up to a .38 spl wadcutter round)

[tiberius]

You may want to check their price page before you get too excited about ..... $2660.00 :what:

http://www.amderringer.com/prices.html

[Coltdriver]

I once bought one of the very small Kimbers.

It was so hard to control that a second shot was totally unpredictable.

If you have a gorilla grip, you may do better. But I would vastly prefer control over the larger caliber.

I love .45's, but if you can not reliably get two shots close to each other an alternative in a smaller caliber or a larger pistol might be a better idea.

[Graystar]

You may want to check their price page before you get too excited about ..... $2660.00 That's just insane. All the other prices seem to high as well. And then you only get a 1 year warranty, and they want you to pay 150 bucks for a lifetime warranty??

I won't be shopping there.

[9mmepiphany]

coltdriver - i remeber an article (i think in was in GUNS) by the late george nonte about the semmerling.

the original designer (wanting to make the smaller functional .45 on the market) had considered making it as a semi-auto and built a prototype. the recoil was so heavy as to be uncontrolable. that is why he designed it to be manually cycled. the forward cycling of the barrel/slide maximizes strenght (solid breach) while minamizing size of the package.

tiberius - i didn't realize they had gotten quite that expensive, but i'm not surprised. it was over $1k when they were introduced back in the late 60's/early 70's...if i'd had it then, i would have bought one.

another missed opportunity, was the ASP (first mini smith m-39) for $1500 back about the same time period...last on i saw was >$2500 in used (carried) but not abused condition

[firestar]

For $2660.00 you think it would come with a lifetime warrenty.:what: Even Hi-Point, Taurus and Kel-Tec give you a lifetime warrenty!:banghead:

[9mmepiphany]

does that mean you're also put off by the fact that nikon's $10k digital camera only comes with a 90 day warranty