[K.L.O.sako]

well, this ought to give you jackals something to chew on. I was talking to a friend the other day that hunts the wilds of WV. said he took his 300WM with him and shot a doe from hilltop to hilltop (across the holler for you hillbillies) at about 200yds. the deer droped in its tracks, put one through the boileroom. when he got to the doe he said it looked normal till he rolled it on it's back to gut it. thats when he noticed that both offside leggs had been BROKEN. said he was using home rolled 180gr fusions loaded hot. and swears it to be true ;) . you guys ever hear of such a thing. is it possible, or just a case of sunshine up the rear. he also said the doe's hilltop was lower than his and that it made for a downward angle. well there it is let me know what you think

[mbt2001]

hmmm, I suppose that it could happen. Bullets carry a lot of energy and frankly, do odd things when they hit.

The red baron took a .30 caliber machine gun round to the forehead... It knocked him out, the bullet itself rode up the scalp, but other than headaches for the rest of his life, he was fine.

As to the broken legs... I dunno, I guess it could happen depending on how it was struck. Neck shots regularly break necks. For example, the first deer that I shot was hit right behind the ear. The vertebra was broken down at the lower portion of the neck.

[1911 guy]

Lacking any evidence to the contrary, I'd believe him. Like mbt2001 said, bullets do strange things. The last deer I shot with a rifle did a backflip. If I was a bumpkin with a third grade education, I say the rifle "flipped him clean over", but I know it was the deers muscular reaction to the bullet impact that did it, not the actual bullet impact. Weird things go on in the deer woods.

[Bitmap]

I shot a deer once broadside from about 50 yards in heavy brush. Entrance wound near the center of the rib cage. Strange thing was that the entrance hole was about 1.5" x 0.5". I was using a .308. There was a small wound on the opposite side nearer the front of the rib cage. I started to wonder if I was mistaken and had shot the deer from the opposite side as I thought and the "entrance" wound was really the exit. When I gutted him I found another wound trail that went down into his guts at a sharp angle from the larger rib cage wound. That part didn't exit but I didn't find it with a quick look at the guts. I wasn't interested in a detailed autopsy of the deer's guts.

My conclusion was that I hit a small limb before I hit the deer and the bullet was tumbling and hit him going sideways, then broke in two with one part going "right", down into his guts, the other going "left" and across the rib cage to exit. The path of the two parts of the bullet made a lopsided Y so that neither part traveled in a straight line. I don't remember if it hit a rib on the entrance side.

He could possibly have hit a limb and had the bullet break in two on entrance and each part could have broken a leg on exiting.

Another possibility is that when he fired he didn't notice that the rear leg on the far side was already broken and his round through the chest broke the front leg on the way out.

I think the guys story could have reasonable explanations. That doesn't mean you should accept the idea the " a .300WM will break both legs on the far side of a deer if you shoot it through the chest." It could happen, but I wouldn't count on it.

[shermacman]

The Warren Commission has some fascinating bullet path theories...
:evil:

[Bitmap]

The Warren Commission has some fascinating bullet path theories...

Maybe the deer had it's legs crossed when it was hit?

[MCgunner]

I've had bullets smack hard bone and deflect on their way though a deer. I don't see any reason to doubt it. Deer could have been quartering or turning or something.

The red baron took a .30 caliber machine gun round to the forehead... It knocked him out, the bullet itself rode up the scalp, but other than headaches for the rest of his life, he was fine.

Didn't Snoopy kill him?:D

[Smokey Joe]

KLOsako--Yr friend's story could possibly have happened just exactly as you describe that he described it. I could possibly win the state lottery next week, too.

Interesting how these sort of things always happen with no witnesses, no video camera, etc.

Mind you, I'm not calling your friend a liar.

:)

[hoghunting]

said he was using home rolled 180gr fusions loaded hot

That's where my doubts started as the last I heard, Federal was not selling the Fusion bullets as components - only as loaded ammo. So he must have been buying factory ammo, pulling the bullets, then loading his own ammo. Seems like a very expensive proposition since better bullets are available without buying them as factory loaded ammo.

[K.L.O.sako]

yeah i asked about the fusions too. said he pulled them from his 30-06 supply. aparently he was loading them to make light speed. he showed me a recovered fusion mushroomed perfectly and said it was the one that took the doe, recovered on the oppisite side skin. (just like the text books say it should happen :scrutiny: ) i don't know, it sounds fishy to me, but i've never known him to tell a bigun like this just for braggin rights. so i guess i'll have to bite on this one. BTW he said the doe weighed about 120 at the butchers, sans guts

[terry264]

Strange things happen sometimes. A friend of mine once "shot" a doe on his farm at long range, he said, probably 200 yds. if I remember correctly 'cause I've seen where he was talking about. Anyway, he was using a 30-06 Rem. pump. After a couple of seconds after the shot the deer just fell dead. Nothing out of the ordinary so far, right? Upon field dressing and final cut-up of the doe it was noticed that there was no bullet wound in or on the deer. No entry hole, no exit hole, no nothing was found as to the cause of death. What happened to it? Heart attack? LOL

[K.L.O.sako]

maybe the shot was so close, it scared it to death :rolleyes:. yeah those win mags dump a lot of energy on impact, and doe's ARE thinner boned, and he had a downward angle, and the list goes on. I talked to him again yesterday and he swears it's the truth so I for one believe him, Iguess it's just a case of "strange things happen in them thar woods" :p

[Sniper X]

Ill bet the doe broke her legs falling over from the shock of the bullet strike. Also, 200 yards isn't that much of a shot as I personally hae made almost a 300 yard shot on a small Buck from hilside to hillside here in NM with my .243 and it was an instant kill, as he fell like a ton of bricks. Shoot I made a hail mary on a buck from 80 yaards with my recurve bow when I was 17 and HE fell like a ton of bricks about 10 feet behind my truck! talk about luck....oh, and a down angle just sloughs off some real range....no biggie.

[mbt2001]

Didn't Snoopy kill him?:D

HAHAHAHAHA

:p

[H&Hhunter]

I saw a pronghorn shot with a .270 Weatherby one time. The buck was standing perfectly broadside. the bullet hit just behind the shoulder and exited out the right eye socket.

Bullets can do weird things.

PS

How much longer did the baron Von Richtoven live after getting hit in the head by a .30? Those headaches didn’t last too much longer..;)

[Sniper X]

He lived until getting shot from the ground by an Infantry rifleman, didn't even technically die from another pilot.

[usmccpl]

Snoopy shot him down. Then he returned and he and Snoopy had a duel. He fired at Snoopy and ran off. He missed. Then they went at it again on Christmas Eve. He forced Snoopy to land behind enemy lines. They had a holiday toast and both flew off to fight again another day.

[koja48]

"Snoopy shot him down. Then he returned and he and Snoopy had a duel. He fired at Snoopy and ran off. He missed. Then they went at it again on Christmas Eve. He forced Snoopy to land behind enemy lines. They had a holiday toast and both flew off to fight again another day."

And the Red Baron's legs were broken . . . just goes to show you that root beer & guns don't mix . . .

[H&Hhunter]

But wait a minute. What caliber rifle was the Red Baron hunting deer with?

[spooney]

7X64 Brenneke if I had to guess.