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NMshooter
January 29, 2007, 09:31 PM
www.sharppointythings.com

So I sent him a message asking about a knife...

And ended up with 6" of steel!

The handguard and pommel are solid brass, the handle is very nice wood.

Workmanship is excellent.

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Eleven Mike
January 30, 2007, 11:11 AM
Looks a tad rough, but that is a very nice design. The pommel and guard are excellent. I love a flat-ground drop-point.

Sniper X
January 30, 2007, 11:20 AM
I like it. It looks like something of a working knife, not a safe queen to just "show off" because it cost so much you are scared to use it. Good choice for a real feild knife in my opinion.

JShirley
January 30, 2007, 01:19 PM
Good design. I'd really like this one (http://www.sharppointythings.com/images/Knives/knives/IMG_0090a.jpg), but except with a guard only on the blade side and without so pronounced a pommel.

Mike also is an excellent writer...

Kaylee
January 30, 2007, 01:21 PM
cool.

I'm still waiting for him to do a Freehold 'kataghan' -- after its notable appearance in his awesome book, it'd be cool to see one in person.

(or heck.. maybe he could license a run of 'em. :D )

-K

LanEvo`
January 30, 2007, 02:36 PM
I'm still waiting for him to do a Freehold 'kataghan' -- after its notable appearance in his awesome book, it'd be cool to see one in person.I'm not sure what book you're referring to, but there is such a thing as a yatağan that was used back in Ottoman times starting with Sultan Suleyman the Magnificant. Sort of a double recurved blade...not too different from a kukri, but longer and more slender. Also, they traditionally would have a split pommel that looks sort of like ram's horns. They are best known as the sidearm of the Yeni Ceri, or "new guard" (transliterated as "Janissary" in English).

http://www.swords.spb.ru/archive/yataghan01/yataghan01_11average.jpg

I've seen it spelled all kinds of ways, but "yatağan" is the proper spelling in modern Turkish. It's pronounced "YAT-A-AHN" (the "soft g" is a silent letter that tells you to stretch out the previous vowel).

Yes, I'm a Turk ;)

Kaylee
January 30, 2007, 02:39 PM
Thanks for the picture LanEvo!

When I asked madmike what the thing was, this was indeed his answer:



Katana + yataghan. Drop-tipped sword with a small guard and the cross section of a katana.

I should do that sometime soon.


:)

LanEvo`
January 30, 2007, 02:54 PM
No prob! There are a couple of modern swordsmiths who offer yatağans today. I've recently come across the "Sinbad Yataghan" by Jody Samson:

http://jodysamson.com/images/swords/1-07-05/yatagan1.jpg

And Vince Evans offers some "Turkish Yataghan" variants, which are a bit more historically accurate:

http://www.arscives.com/vevans/images/4.7-Turkish-Yataghan.jpg

http://www.arscives.com/vevans/images/4.8-Turkish-Yataghan.jpg

These all look pretty sweet!

hexidismal
January 30, 2007, 02:57 PM
Does the split pommel of the yatağans serve some purpose ?

Eleven Mike
January 30, 2007, 03:21 PM
Does the split pommel of the yatağans serve some purpose ?

I think it's to poke the wearer in the ribs or stomach. Ouch.

carebear
January 30, 2007, 04:28 PM
To brace your rifle on, like a monopod, in the kneeling position.

With the long arqubueses of the day some sort of steadying device was preferable for increased accuracy, then, when the shot was fired,the Jannissary would have his sword in hand should immediate close combat be necessary. It saved carrying a shooting stick AND personal weapon, simplifying his kit.

carebear
January 30, 2007, 04:29 PM
I just made the above explanation up, BTW.

No jumpy on the funny man.

LanEvo`
January 30, 2007, 04:59 PM
Does the split pommel of the yatağans serve some purpose ?I honestly have no idea. I've never seen a good explanation. I have, however, read that yatağans were not primary weapons: they were more large knives rather than short swords, if you know what I mean. Basically, weapons of last resort.

Janissaries relied on longer range weapons, like arrows and spears. In later days (17th century onward), their primary weapons were rifles and grenades. They were pretty "cutting edge" for their time.

In the end, the yatağan was largely a status symbol from what I've read. Maybe that explains why they were so ornate. I wonder if the pommel is just there for show. It is rather distinctive.

CWL
January 30, 2007, 08:53 PM
In later days (17th century onward), their primary weapons were rifles and grenades.

Turkish armies had started using firearms by the middle of the 1400's, they also had porportionately more firearms than European armies. Janissaries had pretty much completely adopted firearms by the middle of the 1500s.

I do not believe that Janissaries used rifle & grenades in 17th Cent. They typically used smoothbore weapons.

Specialist Grenadiers were not Janissary (Christian slaves) but ethnic Turks.

NMshooter
January 31, 2007, 09:17 PM
Yes, I wanted a tool.

The blade is 3/16" thick along the back!

I mentioned I wanted something I could abuse in case I needed a prybar...

And I have all Mike's paperbacks in my collection.

darrylhadfield
April 2, 2013, 11:44 PM
Yup, I'm aware this is an old thread. Yup, I'm aware that I'm re-upping something from the depths of time that many may wish to cut me off at the knees for.

However, I have.... interesting.. news.

MadMike.. is indeed doing a Kataghan.. in fact, he's doing *MY* Kataghan.

This badboy was on my fireplace mantle for a few months, then in a chitchat with Mr. Williamson, turns out he was interested in doing it.. a few other things fell into place, so at the moment, it's in his workshop, and if things go REALLY well, I may have it back in the next few months.

This piece was purchased from a Canadian bladesmith; the blade is, I THINK, a Yataghan, that the original bladesmith retrofitted with a wakizashi hilt.

MadMike has already cleaned up the rather nasty notch towards the tip. The tang has also been extended; the next step will be adding rosewood hilt pieces, and then re-wrapping it in the Katana style.


http://darryl.rotorhead.org/images/kataghan.jpg
http://darryl.rotorhead.org/images/kataghan2.jpg
http://darryl.rotorhead.org/images/kataghan3.jpg
http://darryl.rotorhead.org/images/kataghan4.jpg

I may... MAY... have the very first, MadMike-touched (and blessed!) Kataghan! A little birdy tells me he may even be making one from a Chassepot, for purposes of having one of his own, after messing with this one.

You may now proceed with turning green with envy.

Gordon
April 3, 2013, 02:29 AM
That is just all wrong! BUT put a razor edge on it and I think I like it!

darrylhadfield
April 4, 2013, 08:13 AM
I do believe good master Williamson is planning on putting a rather nice edge on it.. and if not, I'll be asking him to. :D

USAF_Vet
April 4, 2013, 03:56 PM
It's like a train wreck. Just can't look away.
I like the blade, after having lived in Turkey for a couple years I have really come to appreciate a lot of Turkish art, and blades are functional art.
I also lived in Japan, and love Japanese style blades and swords.

But the two fused together is an abomination.

Just my heavily biased opinion. If you like it, who cares what I think?

hso
April 4, 2013, 04:15 PM
I have to wonder where the balance point and point of percussion would end up on that Frankensword.

darrylhadfield
April 5, 2013, 08:38 AM
It's like a train wreck. Just can't look away.
I like the blade, after having lived in Turkey for a couple years I have really come to appreciate a lot of Turkish art, and blades are functional art.
I also lived in Japan, and love Japanese style blades and swords.

But the two fused together is an abomination.

Just my heavily biased opinion. If you like it, who cares what I think?

Well, I'm impressed with your ability to personalize your opinion and not make it a personal attack.. but I'd have to disagree with your assessment. I actually do like how it looks; it's both a great reminder of a fantastic book (If you've not read Freehold, I wholeheartedly recommend it), as well as a rather out-of-the-ordinary blade to mount over my fireplace... and in a pinch, pick up and use.


I have to wonder where the balance point and point of percussion would end up on that Frankensword.

That's actually something I only vaguely touched on with Mike. Originally, yup, it was absurd... the blade is no slouch; the fuller is rather deep, but the blade itself is significant to begin with so it still results in a rather noticeable weight.

Further, it's a part of why I wanted the hilt re-done.. it was just way too short, and meant that just holding it became exercise after more than a few moments. With a longer hilt, I anticipate that will shift things dramatically - but of course, we'll see. If you've touched any of MadMike's stuff otherwise, he's no slouch and produces pretty high quality end results. I'm not expecting magic, but odds are good it'll be a pleasing piece of, as USAF Vet put it, Functional Art.

hso
April 5, 2013, 11:10 AM
Making it a hand and a half with counter weighting pommel will help shift the balance back a bit away from the 2x4 held at arm's length I guess it feels like now.

darrylhadfield
April 7, 2013, 09:40 AM
Indeed!

Guess we don't have any Freehold readers in the crowd anymore....

kBob
April 8, 2013, 07:51 AM
I must admit to not having read Mike Z's Freehold. He and I bumped heads a bit on the Baen Books board around the time he was working on the book until just after especially around Eric Flint's 1632 topics and with John Ringo. Sort of as a joke I tell authors I would be happy to read their book if they will send me a copy. When Freehold got published I was all burned out on Ringo's stuff and David Webber's multi verse beginning with Hells Gate and just could not read any more such.

While I think the modified blade in this thread is interesting I am reminded of the howling that takes place on the rifle board over the act of Bubba-ing an old military rifle. Now this has occurred with an old bayonet.

So shall we call the act of modifying an old Military blade a Mike-ing? You know as in "Whoa, Mike must of gotten ahold (or a Freehold) of that old war horse!"

Just teasing.

-kBob

hso
April 8, 2013, 09:39 AM
Considering that most bayonets don't make for good swords/knives because of heat treat requirement differences I usually consider any efforts to turn a bayonet into anything other than a "sticker" just a crafts project.

darrylhadfield
April 9, 2013, 12:12 AM
When Freehold got published I was all burned out on Ringo's stuff and David Webber's multi verse beginning with Hells Gate and just could not read any more such.

Fair 'nuff... Personally, I enjoyed it, and tend to on an annual basis.

While I think the modified blade in this thread is interesting I am reminded of the howling that takes place on the rifle board over the act of Bubba-ing an old military rifle. Now this has occurred with an old bayonet.

So shall we call the act of modifying an old Military blade a Mike-ing? You know as in "Whoa, Mike must of gotten ahold (or a Freehold) of that old war horse!"

Just teasing.

heh, well, let's not slander Mike... he didn't CREATE it.. he's FIXING what someone else created (and, admittedly, did a less than stellar job of creating).

Considering that most bayonets don't make for good swords/knives because of heat treat requirement differences I usually consider any efforts to turn a bayonet into anything other than a "sticker" just a crafts project.

Fair enough; I had ulterior motives... I liked the idea of the blade - and had been looking for it.. when I saw it, I figured it would make for a great starter piece - and it was something my wife didn't immediately say, "NO!" to, when I mentioned I wanted to mount it over the mantle piece.

I do want something that's functional - but I don't expect to be using it as a "bushido prop" so to speak - I like how it looks, it's functional in a pinch (rather than being apt to snap in half if I look at it sideways), and it fits well in the living room.

I'd actually contemplated having Mike start with a stock Yataghan blade - not a chasse-pot - and creating the "kataghan," but when we started talking price, my wallet stopped listening.. this was just a nice way of it all coming together.

Not for everyone, I'm sure, and at the same time, like I said... I like it.

And, since there was prior conversation in here about the "kataghan"... I figured I'd take the risk of sharing and see if perhaps it was an interesting piece to share, rather than just upping a thread that was years old.

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