The type of bullets that make people cringe!

[fattsgalore]

I'm looking for the meanest hollow point round period.
I've used some cheap silver tip 9mm. Ive used Federal Hydrashock in .380; .45; and 9mm. I've also used Winchester Ranger .40cal 155gr.
I like the Ranger, it has some kick to it.
What is the best brand period?

I'm leaning towards Remington Golden Sabers, or PowR'Ball. Any opinions would be great!
I know the question is vague. I'm going to keep it like that so everyone can get there two cents in.

[Justin]

Black Talons are so mean, they pushed their pregnant girlfriend down a flight of stairs.

[JesseL]

I think that all the premium HP rounds (ranger, golden sabre, gold dot, hydrashock, etc) are pretty effective these days. Avoid gimmicky or 'boutique" ammo.

My priorities are:

Reliability
Accuracy
Availability
Price
Ballistic test performance.

[g56]

Go here: http://tacticalforums.com/

Directly to the post showing terminal effects of pistol ammo: http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=000964

[fattsgalore]

I just want to thank everyone who has posted or will post. I posetd this on another site and the gun snobs jumped all over it.
Thanks for seeing my question as what it is. Just a question!

Damn, BlackTalons did all that. Damn! You know his girlfriend still loves him though.

[tbtrout]

I like the speer Gold Dots. I use them in my .45 and .38.

[zzzarkt]

Whenever I see an expanded .45acp Federal HST at about 1" in width I cringe a little.


Then I remember that I am on the giving, not the receiving
end of them and then I smile. :D

[Deer Hunter]

Federal HSTs eat babies.

With A1 sauce.

[fattsgalore]

I need pics of expansion. PLEASE!!!!
I saw picks of Winchester SXT's and i wheeped a little.

[Deer Hunter]

Here's a .pdf of HST being tested against everyone else. This is the official document, complete with tables and a few pictures if I remember correctly.

http://www.le.atk.com/pdf/Pierce%20County%20Workshop.pdf

[Zundfolge]

Barnes XPB's

All copper hollowpoints.


Look like a spinning raserblade when they open up.

http://www.riflemagazine.com/images/magazine/IPN3.gif

[pinotguy]

I think the Corbon DPX line is the best FACTORY SD load out there. The Barnes XPB bullets are the best available and Corbon loads these real hot. The line is extensive too, I use their 9x23 Win. and 10mm for carry, but they've got almost everything covered. It is pricier than run-of-the-mill ammo but well worth it.

If you hand-load, I would recommend using the Barnes XPB for all your SD loadings.

Zundfolge,

You beat me to it but I couldn't agree more.

[fattsgalore]

That is truly beutiful.
Now all i need is depleted uranium and H.E.I's(high exspolsive incinderary) rounds to top off my shopping list.
Just kinding... not really.

[highlander 5]

The old Speer 45 cal 200gr "flying ashtray" you can stick a No 2 pencil in the hp

[doc2rn]

:banghead: I like Black Hills Red Label in my 38s and 357s. I have never had a failure to fire or a failure to feed. They are a little pricey, but what I like best is not seeing a big plume of smoke clouding my front sight.

[earplug]

Is this a case of censureship to protect us from the truth?

Twenty five years ago the .357 was King. The human body is the same except for the bunch that has never learned to shoot wheel guns.

I sorta like the .44 Remington Mag in 185/200 grain JHP. And I have no data.

[Geronimo45]

"The old Speer 45 cal 200gr "flying ashtray" you can stick a No 2 pencil in the hp" yes, to give the target lead poisoning. :D

Looks like the Barnes bullets are a copper version of black talons, just not as "evil."

[berettashotgun]

Win SXT already come with blood and hair in them.
Just like a recovered bullet, only sti:barf: nker.

[Troutman]

Not talking about costs (cartridges). The XBP (Barnes) bullets are terminators.

[tasco 74]

actually i guess the meanest bullets i've ever seen in keeping with the .357 magnum vien was some 148 gr. hbwc rounds i reloaded using .357 magnum cases and 5 grs of bullseye under the bullets loaded in backwards........ :eek: :eek: now that was a serious .38 caliber hollow point!! :evil:

oh by the way THANKS FOR LETTING ME BACK IN AFTER ALL THIS WHILE!!

[Sunray]

"...the best brand period?..." The one that your pistol shoots the most accurately. If you don't reload, you MUST try as many brands and bullet weights to find the one or two that gives you the best accuracy out of your pistol. Nothing else matters.

[Glockfan.45]

Dug a Speer Gold Dot in .45 out of a sand bank once. It opened up to about the size of a quarter :eek: not something I want to get hit with.

[Mandirigma]

I'm looking for the meanest hollow point round period.

I'm of the mind that the meanest rounds period are the ones that are incoming. But thats just me.

[LarryS.]

earplug said:"Twenty five years ago the .357 was King. The human body is the same except for the bunch that has never learned to shoot wheel guns."

Not exactly true....the bad guys are always coming up with new additives!:cuss:

[cookekdjr]

I'm looking for the meanest hollow point round period.
I've used some cheap silver tip 9mm. Ive used Federal Hydrashock in .380; .45; and 9mm. I've also used Winchester Ranger .40cal 155gr.
I like the Ranger, it has some kick to it.
What is the best brand period?

I'm leaning towards Remington Golden Sabers, or PowR'Ball. Any opinions would be great!
I know the question is vague. I'm going to keep it like that so everyone can get there two cents in.

Well, I've never seen a hp handgun round that reliably expands in human tissues (as opposed to gelatin). I've chatted (internet) with other LEO's who have seen some expand reliably in real shootings, and I believe them....but I've never seen it with my own eyes after viewing hundreds of bullets taken from real shootings.
I have heard that Winchester Silver tips do, in fact, expand reliably in people. The most notable case involves a LEO who shot a perp 5-6 times center mass with 145gr .357 rounds that expanded so well that the perp lived...and killed the LEO with a .22...
I haven't heard of any significant .40 failures involving bullets 155gr and over. The lighter stuff has had some penetration failures. In my experience, anything in .40 cal, ball or hp, 155gr and over, will get the job done. It is one of the best manstoppers ever.
I tend to aggre with Jesse, who said:
My priorities are:
Reliability
Accuracy
Availability
Price
Ballistic test performance.

I would substitute "street record" for test performance, as I don't trust gelatin as a test medium.
-David

[griz]

One gold dot that hits the target is better than fifty dollars worth of extreme shock blended metal super duty fang face rounds that stay in the box and look mean.

[clang]

Try anything by Doubletap...

[fattsgalore]

Thanks for all the advice and the words of "dude your stupid"
Regarless I'm leaning towards GoldenSabers;PowRBall;SXT's;HST's; and Barnes fully copper bullet. I'll spend the extra money for those mean looking bullets. Good day, sir's.

[EdLaver]

I say the Federal Hydrashok, that lil point in the inside of the hollow makes me cringe a bit b/c I KNOW it would hurt.

[KaceCoyote]

PowRballs arent really special from the lethal look at things. They do function reliable in funky M1911s.

[alucard0822]

in a pistol? ok 00buck shot is fairly intimidating, 30mmhxap can be fairly terrifying especially if your ride is a tank, although not a hollow point size does matter:what: http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=52346&stc=1&d=1170277741 http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=52347&stc=1&d=1170277741

[GeorgiaGlocker]

The ones that hit them! :neener: I use Speer Gold Dots in 9mil and my 40.

[tasco 74]

that cartrage that ALUCARD is holding makes me cringe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :what: :eek: :uhoh: what the he!! is that caliber?? i reconize the A-10 but i forget how many mms it is...........

[Joshua C]

TAsco, that would be the A-10s 30mm. Theoretically, could make the A 10 stop in mid air from the recoil given enough ammo.

[birdv]

IMI .357 is one hot round.
IMI UZI 9mm moves fast also

[tasco 74]

that would leave a MARK!!!:evil: :evil:

[alucard0822]

30 mm GAU-8/A Avenger Gatling gun. It fires 30mm depleted uranium shells at the rate of 3900rpm each aircraft can carry 1350rounds, but most pilots can put 80% of the rounds in a 20' circle and it only takes about 6 to destroy a main battle tank.

[Plastic Cowboy]

One of the most destructive bullets in existance, the Norweigan Raufoss Mk211 in .50 BMG

These things are illegal to civilians and there is argument whether they should even be allowed under Geneva Conventions. A hit from one of these can literally blow a man to pieces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk211

.....they are great for squirrel hunting though!!

[alucard0822]

I would say while those norwegian bullets are nasty, but they pale in comparison to this!!!!:neener: http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=52387&stc=1&d=1170355070

[GRIZ22]

The meanest bullet doesn't make up for lack of marksmanship.

I was a LE firearms instructor for alomost 30 years and during that period of time I got to try a variety of ammunition. When I worked for a municipal police department the chief bought the cheapest duty ammunition he could find.

I worked for the Federal goverment and there they kind of rotated their purchases between the major manufacturers so I got to try everyone's ammo. Some expanded better and some penetrated better. I looked for reliabilty and accuracy and after that I wasn't interested too much in expansion. I liked the early WW subsonics in 9mm. Yes they didn't expand well but I found them phenomenally accurate in the S&W autos we carried. I realize to most the accuracy thing is not an issue as they don't shoot that good.

Jim Cirillo, veteran of NYPD stakeout squad, survivor of several gunfights, and pistolero extrodnaire still is in his quest for the perfect bullet and hasn't found it yet.

Just my take.

Just my take.

[19-3Ben]

Someone told me that Gold Dots never really cared about what's going on in Darfur. But damn Justin, those Black Talons really are mean!!
(thanks for a great laugh BTW):D

[Cocked & Locked]

I kinda like the Hornady XTP JHP's I hand load.


Two .357 158 grain Hornady XTP JHP's shot from a 2.5" S&W model 19 into wet telephone books
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL523/3082611/6675271/122474415.jpg
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL523/3082611/6675271/122474402.jpg



Two .45 Colt 250 grain Hornady XTP JHP's shot from a 4 5/8" Ruger Blackhawk into wet telephone books
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL523/3082611/6675271/122474379.jpg
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL523/3082611/6675271/122474366.jpg

[rockstar.esq]

245 Grain Keith hard cast SWC! None of that silly expansion/ magic just a big hunka burning lead love comming at you!

[happy old sailor]

i doubt any one will cringe at the thought of .45ACP military 230 grain FMJ "hardball", but it has accounted for numbers of BGs of one stripe or another.

sometimes i wonder about all those premium rounds at premium prices. business gets slow and the magic rounds make the register ring again. but i am being a pessimist.

shoot what you believe in and dont shirk range time. a miss is not acceptable, no matter what fills the chamber.

[Plastic Cowboy]

There are many ghosts of dead Nazi and Japanese soldiers who can attest to the killing power of a .45 ACP hardball!!

[Plink]

There's no magic bullet. The most important criteria is that it function flawlessly in your gun and that you can shoot accurately with it. Any of the proven premium rounds will do fine. Factor in cost and availability. Avoid mall ninja loads and gimmicky stuff that sounds too good to be true.

[neoncowboy]

If it ain't Nytrillium, it ain't sh_t!

http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/catalog.html&setup=134&ida=14&idp=0&his=0&cart_id=134

[Blue .45]

If it ain't Nytrillium, it ain't sh_t!


Scroll down to the middle of the page and check out the boar that was shot with a 9mm. Impressive!!!

http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/product_info.html&setup=134&cart_id=134

[lee n. field]

The type of bullets that make people cringe!

The Extreme Shock (http://www.extremeshockusa.com/) stuff makes me cringe, just looking at their website. :barf:

http://www.extremeshockusa.com/web_photos/extjacketed%20claw_300.jpg

Explosive Entry Fang Face something something whatever.

[.41Dave]

Apparently Gecko45 has gone into the ammo business!

Extreme Shock Special Mall Ninja Boolits

Extreme Shock :barf:
Fang Face :barf: :barf:
Tungsten-NyTrilium™ :barf: :barf:
Explosive Entry tactical defense round :barf: :barf:
Air Freedom Round :barf: :barf:
perpendicular defractor plate (?)
ASP SILENT SAVIOR System :barf: :barf:
Composite Explosive Defractor Core™ :barf: :barf: :barf:
Explosive Entry Air Freedom Round Personal Defense ammunition :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:AUUGHHHH!!! I CAN'T STOP!!! :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

[tasco 74]

oh now dave 41 ... tell us how you really feel!!!!:uhoh:

[fattsgalore]

My moneys on the fang face. No... my moneys on that Mario bullet.

[Axman]

Ha ha, Bullet Bill!!! Gotta love the Mario Bros.

[Stachie]

Hydra-Shok!!!

[the pistolero]

Extreme Shock. Fang Face. "It's a new war..." Lord have mercy, a prosecutor would have a field day with that! :barf: I suppose if it works, and if you didn't have to pay two bucks a round for it, it wouldn't matter what it looked like, but as they say, marketing is everything. Another box of 230-grain .45 Hydra-Shok for me, please...

[Avenger]

My vote goes to the Fang Faces. My friend fired one in .45 into a 12x12x12 block of clay from about 20 feet. It literally SPLATTERED clay from the impact face all over the place, and knocked the block apart into 3 pieces. Not as deep a hole as the Hydro-Shoks lefts, but MUCH wider. I would buy them myself, but $$$ forbid.

[Avenger]

My vote goes to the Fang Faces. My friend fired one in .45 into a 12x12x12 block of clay from about 20 feet. It literally SPLATTERED clay from the impact face all over the place, and knocked the block apart into 3 pieces. Not as deep a hole as the Hydro-Shoks lefts, but MUCH wider. I would buy them myself, but $$$ forbid.

[Stevie-Ray]

HydraShok. Nothing else will do.

The meanest bullet doesn't make up for lack of marksmanship.While that may be true, just arm yourself with a .45 ACP. With the aforementioned HydraShoks, of course. We all know that you don't even have to hit your target. Coming close is more than sufficient.:neener:

[Alan Fud]

Sounds like the "Fang Face" is the perfect round for four-legged threats. Unfortunately, they don't make one .45 Colt.

[BenjaminR]

Here's a pic of four bullets that were shot into a couple phone books. They're all the same kind, cheap WalMart Winchester 230gr JHP. Some "expanded" and one didn't have any expansion. Right now I'm using this as my personal defense round.

[oceansands]

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot23.htm

I don't know about the Extreme Shock stuff. Have you ever been to their website? Can you say mall ninja?

You should check out the box o truth. Great read!!!!