[Revolver Ocelot]

a little while back I saw a post in here about a completely hollow 357 bullet that cost 7 bucks a round, does anyone have any idea what kind of bullet this is or where I can find them?

[hqmhqm]

Ah yes, the premium "bunker buster" in .357 magnum. I have a box of 50 left I can give you for a discount, just $6 each!

[Car Knocker]

If it's a completely hollow bullet, what keeps the powder in the case?

[Plastic Cowboy]

wouldn't it be too light to carry any kenetic energy??
:confused:

[Sniper X]

I ont think he meant completely hollow...

[Sistema1927]

You can probably load them yourself for no more than $4 each.

[tank mechanic]

Pics?

[Revolver Ocelot]

the bullet is completely hollow and has somthimg between it and the powder so it doesn't leak through it and the gas doesn't escape through it when fired, if anyone knows who makes them or has a link, I tried doing a search on the bunker buster but I can't confirm thats the right one because all my search turns up is warheads

[Slimjim]

Your talking about the Old PMC Rounds, they were all brass, at first, which got them labeled as AP, then they turned around and made them out of copper. They had a plastic disc at the bottom of them to keep the powder seperated.

http://www.supload.us/thumbs/default/mvc-002x.jpg (http://www.supload.us/free/mvc-002x.jpg/view/)


Theres one here next to the 5.7 round. I cant remember the member that this ammo belongs to though.

[Revolver Ocelot]

you got it thats the one! someone had made a post about it that included a website that was selling them.

[MikeG]

Those are the PMC UltraMag. They were made in .38 Special and .44Special. I don't know about .357 Magnum. I've got a box of .38s stashed somewhere at home.

[dixierifleman]

whats the point of this?

[jibjab]

Were these bullets originally designed for black powder guns ?

[Ndenway]

wasn't those the Grecko (sp?) brand 38 and 44spl ammo, they used a plastic saboted hollow bronze tube that weight approx 65grs in the 38 and 100grs in the 44,

they supposedly cut a greater permenant wound channel than any other defence load and stayed inside the body.

[battlehatch]

www.ammo-one.com has a bunch of oddball rounds. He sells them as collectors items. My roomie and I have bought a bunch of stuff for the collection and he's pretty good to deal with.

[SaxonPig]

The PMC is the only tubular ammo I know about. Not sure which calibers were available other than .38 Special. The .38 used a 66 grain all copper tubular bullet. Don't know MV but probably high given the slugs light weight and low drag with nearly zero frontal area. Must have hit like a cookie cutter. Very high penetration. So high that the ATF quickly banned this ammo as armor-piercing. I have heard they sell for $5 each to ammo collectors. I bought this half-full (25 rounds) box at a show two years ago for $5. Not sure if I want to play with the ammo or sell it.

A friend and I had discussed the possibility of making hollow projectiles but never got around to actually trying it. It would require a buffer under the bullet, like the wad in a shot shell.


http://www.fototime.com/EC961494C68DF8B/standard.jpg

[LAH]

woooooooo.......Mr. Pig............That is one fine handgun. Anymore pictures of that?..........Creeker

[Revolver Ocelot]

thank you for all your help guys, I finally found them.
heres the link..

http://www.ammo-one.com/38SpPMCookieCutter.html

[Husker1911]

Not entirely serious question: Do the rounds whistle through the atmosphere?

[Revolver Ocelot]

I don't believe so, that would ber neat though.

[LightningJoe]

Yeah. Put whistles in them and also make them into tracers. Then you'd have a blaster like Han Solo.

[M2 Carbine]

Found a box in the gun safe.
I really need to take inventory once in a while.:D

As I recall it was advertised as the fastest 38 Special made. I believe it does about 1,500 FPS from a 2 inch barrel.
Also shoots about 6+ inches low at 10-15 yards.


Found a old 1996 chronograph of the UltraMag.
1,336 FPS from the 2 inch S&W J Frame.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Ultramag.jpg

[Revolver Ocelot]

hey carbine are those for sale?

[M2 Carbine]

I guess not.

Back when I bought them I was giving them away to friends to keep in their house guns. When I thought about buying some more they were gone from the gun shows. Then I heard that they had been discontinued.

They do impressively cut a core out of whatever they hit, whether its wood or something like clay. A couple months ago, before I found this box, I had several loose rounds and shot some wood 2x6 boards. The bullet ended up filled with wood. If I can find it I'll post a picture.

Only problem is they shoot a lot lower than a standard 38 load.

I was waiting for them to come out with a .357. I thought the velocity would be something else since the 38 was advertised as being the fastest 38 Special factory load in the world.:)

[MrPeter]

What do you suppose would happen if someone actually used this load in self defense nowadays?

Seems to me like they would be asking for it :-/

[Revolver Ocelot]

it creates a permanant cavity in the body, nothing they can do at the er can repair it.

[coltrane679]

I'll wait for the .357mag DU rounds.

[Eightball]

Figures the ATF BANS an effective defense round.

[SniperStraz]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=243047&highlight=cookie

[Revolver Ocelot]

soon as a more effective ammunition comes out for self defense they ban it.

[roscoe]

Why would it be effective than a hollowpoint? It does not expand. A. .357 can expand to .68 or so, with spinning, cutting petals that turn everything i the hole to hamburger. That has got to do more damage than a little slicer.

Seems like a gimmick to me.

[Revolver Ocelot]

because it is first off ap and secondly as it passes through a person it doesn't push the tisue aside, even hollow points push aside blood vessels and such tissue as they passthrough, the "cookie cutter" cuts a calibur sized hole through everything in its path and thus creates a permanant cavity that can't be repaired in the er and because of that the perp is more then likely to die from it.

[M2 Carbine]

In my limited tests I got the impression that a "core" would flow out of the wound along with a heavy flow of blood.

[Revolver Ocelot]

sounds about right, with most rounds the body would try to stop the bleeding by closing the wond, with this round it can't do that.