[clarence222]

The other day I was doing some research on a Mini-14 GB model that I was looking to purchase. I came across an article on Wikipedia telling about how Bill Ruger was against civillians owning hi capacity mags. I had always heard that he was instrumental in getting the ak variants banned form importation in 1989, however I didn't realize that he was so against civillians owning hi-caps.

Bill Ruger as we all know has been dead for some time yet Ruger still will not cell factory hi-caps to the general public. I have several Ruger Firearms and enjoy each and every one of them including the GB model mini-14 that I just got.

But why do we tolerate this and continue to buy from Ruger, when Smith and Wesson sold us out we boycotted them and they changed the policies, so why don't we boycot Ruger, if they want us to continue to purchase their products they should make all of the products available that are legal to own by civillians.

So what are some of your opinions on this idea?

[GreenFurniture]

Wasn't it Bill Ruger who said, "No honest man needs a handgun smaller than a canned ham."?

I think most of the anti highcap thought came from Glock licking him with their "wunder nine."

[F4GIB]

I came across an article on Wikipedia telling about how Bill Ruger was against civillians owning hi capacity mags.

Absolutely true.

Actually worse because he was against civilians owning magazines larger than 15 rounds (i.e., those made by Ruger). He wanted to cripple his European competition (Glock etc.). In 1990 I had a photocopy of the letter he sent to US Senators (I got it from mine). I haven't bought a Ruger product since and I sold off the two I had.

[wooderson]

No.

[gunsmith]

but I really, really love my sp101, very concealable and reliable.
Boycotts tend to harm the folks who work on the factory floor.

I really like the revolvers and intend on buying more, but due to the mag restrictions, I do not buy their semi's

[461]

They seem not to have an issue selling hi caps with their pistols which also are used in the PC carbines. The only one they don't sell hi caps for is the mini and that is because they don't want it known as an evil assault weapon. Their product, their choice.

For Gosh sakes get over it already! The man is dead! Why not spend some energy on the people who actually want to take away your guns rather than the people who are putting quality ones on the shelves.

[ArfinGreebly]

Gentlemen, we have no shortage of real enemies out there.

The firearms industry needs to stay alive and stay healthy.

Bill Ruger, in his day, did quite a bit for the American shooter. He also did some stuff that was very poorly thought out. Arguably truly stupid.

I've heard rants about S&W, Remington, Colt, Ruger, and others for some infraction or betrayal of either America or shooters in general.

Yes, every so often one of our own gets duped by the political operatives or makes a rotten business decision.

Fact remains, the gun makers listen to us way more than the politicians ever do. They do understand they have a business to run, and you don't get to stay in business if you make a practice of pissing off your public.

Anyone can hold a grudge. I've still got a couple left over from the '80s, and I can't remember why I have them.

It takes a little more something to let go of that grudge and recognize a common interest.

There are plenty of guys out there who want us completely disarmed and defenseless.

Let us turn our attentions to them.

Once we have won back the proper exercise of our rights, then we can have a quiet chat with the gun makers about spine and such.

Buy one of everything.

Keep it alive.

[CajunBass]

Boycot Ruger

Yea. I'll get right on that.

Until I get the money to buy another one.

[clarence222]

I enjoy all of my Ruger firearms and don't plan on selling any of them. I could not find anywhere on the Ruger website that even mentioned they make hi-caps anymore. If they do and won't sell them to us I say we don't purchase them anymore I understand it might hurt the people on the floor building the firearms, and that is not what I want. I would however like to purchase factory accessories straight from Ruger is they still make them. If there is one way we can change the policy is with our wallets then I am all for it.

[enkindler]

It would be a little more constructive to communicate to the new management that it would be in their best interests to sell larger capacity magazines vs. boycotting a company for a letter that was sent by a man who has now passed from this earth.

It worked with the SASS crowd, they finally moved the ugly warning statement from the side of the New Vaquero's barrel to the bottom where it is hardly noticed.

[1911JMB]

I for one agree. I will never buy another Ruger firearm unless they change.

[Oohrah]

Who's next Winchester (Have a Model100), Remington, Browning, and
most likely others who produce semi auto rifles with limited mag
capacity. I think only Remington has an after market extended
mag. Too many American manufacters are going out of business
or being sold to foreign interests for me to get serious about beating
up on an American company over magazine capacity. Even that did
not work, as there has always been an after market manufacturer
due to a need. I agree with you that large capacity mags should
be available to everyone who wants them, and not just a police only
item. I would be more apt to boycott a product for its high price or
unreliable functioning that the president of the company (deceased)
belief is different from mine.:)

[RNB65]

I SHALL BOYCOTT just as soon as I buy my GP100. And the sooner the better!

:)

p.s. Clarence, old buddy, you're a little late. Most of us have known about Bill Ruger's gun policies for about 30 years or so.

[clarence222]

Lets try that first or even get a petition going to let them know there are plenty of us out ther that aren't happy about the situation. I am open to suggestions, I just think its time that we get the gun companies back on our side since we are definitely one of the industries biggest supporters

[Lucky]

Quisling Incorporated Firearms.

In case people forgot, Ruger was making his $ selling his rifles to militaries and police, it's pretty clear he didn't care about civilians. The way I see it he would have had no problem with police going door-to-door seizing every firearm in the country, as long as those police were carrying mini-14's.


* "The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete, and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining "assault rifles" and "semi-automatic rifles" is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these objectives."

* "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun."

* "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round
magazines or my folding stock."

* "I see nothing wrong with waiting periods."

[Cosmoline]

yet Ruger still will not cell factory hi-caps to the general public

Wrong:

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAAccView?acc=930&type=Pistol&side=Magazines&PI=Y

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAAccView?acc=927&type=Pistol&side=Magazines&PI=Y

Give it a rest. Sometimes I wonder if these shills are paid for by S&W.

Hey, CZ only offers small cap mags for their .22 rifles too! And so does Browning! And so does Remington!

Bill Ruger was a talented gun maker who also happened to have antiquated political views about the RKBA. He's long dead now. Get over it.

[clarence222]

Do they make hi-caps for any of their rifles.
No I'm not a shill nor am I paid by Smith and Wesson
Does CZ Browning or Remington offer hi-caps to LEO

[Rumpled]

I'm generally a Ruger firearms fan. I think Bill Sr did and said some stupid things trying to curry favor with the Dem's to keep his business making $.

You will also notice that the only hi-cap mags they sell are 9mm.
Their .40 P series come only in 10 rd. Shouldn't a 15 rd 9mm generally equate to 12 or 13 rounds in the same frame in .40?

[Colt46]

He no longer controls the company(unless it's a wierd L. Ron Hubbard type thing). Let them know they need to keep their bread and butter happy enough to keep wanting to buy their firearms.

If I decided to cancel a friendship because I didn't agree with someone 100% of the time I'd be alone, in the dark, with my moth collection and a carton of fig newtons.

Why just stop at boycotting Ruger? Why not S & W for their deal with the feds during the clinton years? How about Taurus for stealing the name plate off a Ford or even for spotty quality control?
Biting off one's nose to spite one's face is an odd tactic. Never understood it.

[Mark Whiteman]

Better off letting the company know how you feel than just not buying their products. It was WBR's right to run his company as he saw fit, and he put much time and money into defending the 2A. He's gone now, and the company seems to be perking up a bit in the new products department. Ruger has always been more responsive to the consumer than Colt, Remington, S&W (at various times), and others, IMO. When you get down to it, hicap magazines are pretty small potatoes for a gun maker (many outsource), and it probably wasn't worth the political hit to the industry to take a stand over a few rounds, especially with so many hicaps already in circulation. We may not like it, but most of us know about picking our battles too. Do what you think is right.

[Lucky]

Wow. Just wow.

They didn't even apologize and people have forgiven them. They haven't even said they won't or wouldn't do it again, and people are canonizing them. They throw some tax-deductible blood money at the NRA and all is well, except for the states and countries still suffering from his Quisling betrayal.


If I decided to cancel a friendship because I didn't agree with someone 100% of the time I'd be alone,

Tell me about it. Every once in a while one of your friends will invite you out to go drinking, and then it turns out that after you've had a few drinks your friend convinces you to take some cash out of the ATM, and then as soon as you're walking back he makes a phone call and 3 guys show up and mug you. And later you find out that he set the whole thing up. What kind of reason is that to cancel a friendship? Just because he totally betrays you, heck he's a good guy and it probably won't happen ever ever again, so forgive and forget.

To hell with actions having consequences, betrayal should be rewarded. Deceit believed. If Ruger came out with a .50 BMG rifle that was a couple bucks cheaper than Barret (because they make a bit of extra $$$ selling to the California LEO market), why shouldn't you buy it?

Those feelings some people feel when each time they read the saga, they're old-fashioned. Get over it.

I think I'll take a look back and see which names criticize people purchasing Norinco, just to see if they're supporting Ruger at the same time...


Edit:

Cosmoline - Busted (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=177687&highlight=norinco) and Again (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=242481&highlight=norinco) and Again (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=177453&page=3&highlight=norinco)

Wonder what comes up when searching other keywords, hmm polytech, Walmart, Rosie O'donnell, the list of anti-gun movie stars, etc... Surely no-one here would ever suggest boycotting anything like that - because the best way to deal with them is to continue purchasing their product and simply write letters explaining your feelings.

[mike101]

Quote-
"The way I see it he would have had no problem with police going door-to-door seizing every firearm in the country, as long as those police were carrying mini-14's."

Now, that's just crazy talk. I'll tell you what. Write Ruger a letter. Then go to www.Midwayusa.com, buy yourself a 20 or 30 round mag. for your Mini 14, take a vallium, and get over it.

Boycotting Ruger might accomplish one thing. It will get a bunch of good people laid off. Oh, by the way, Bill Ruger is still dead.

There are lots of people out there who really want to take ALL of your guns away, regardless of how many rounds they hold. Kindly direct your anger there. Do it for the children. :D

[1 old 0311]

That WAS Ruger policy. That IS Ruger policy. If they had a change of heart they would make their Hi-caps available to the public. Bill Ruger screwed the American firearm owner for the worst possible reason: MONEY. I hope him and Saddam are playing tennis together.

[Lucky]

Kevin are you suggesting that just because they haven't changed that's reasonable grounds to believe they haven't changed?

Mike, I'd love to take your advice, but the thing is I live in Canada. I'm proud to say that Bill's legacy lives on, long and strong. We can't have handguns smaller than canned-hams, and their magazines can't hold more than 10 cartridges. For semi-automatic long guns we limit magazines to 5 cartridges, just like Old Bill did.


Boycotting Ruger might accomplish one thing. It will get a bunch of good people laid off.

So you believe the company would fold before they'd consider not enforcing antiquated gun-control laws on civilians? And you are OK with that? I've heard of brand loyalty, but JM&J Rugers must come with complementary mind-control chips.

[GRIZ22]

Quote:

when Smith and Wesson sold us out we boycotted them and they changed the policies

S&W's policy was made during the Clinton administration so the Federal goverment would buy guns from them. Yeah, they did it to keep making money and stay in business. S&W emplyees still had jobs. I believe S&W changed policy as the company changed hands and they were no longer bound by any prior agreement and the political climate was much better for the firearms industry.

Quote:

The way I see it he would have had no problem with police going door-to-door seizing every firearm in the country, as long as those police were carrying mini-14's.

And Glocks! Glock has over 60% of the LE market in the US. In addition to their high quality Glock can deliver the most important criteria. Price. That's what attracts the bean counters to a product used by the goverment. That parachute made to save a pilot that costs the goverment hundreds of thousands of dollars to train was made by the lowest bidder.

Boycotting Ruger would eliminate one of your choices in quality firearms. Ruger won't sell hi cap mags for the Mini 14 directly but look around and you can find retailers selling them. http://cdnninvestments.com/lemaforciuse.html
go about 2/3 down the page.

[Ric]

Is it just our community that wants to castrate people for their opinions on the subject of guns?
Bill Ruger has done a lot for this industry and as far as I can tell never turned down anyone that wanted to have a gun.
Opinions are like "you know whats" actions are what counts.

[koja48]

We've seen our foe & it's not Ruger, but in an effort to be a team player . . . let's go a step further & get rid of all our Ruger firearms. Send them to me & I'll take care of it . . . that'll show 'em!

[Smith357]

Isn't Bill Ruger Anti-Motorcycle as well???

I seem to remember something about how he would not insure employees who rode.

Didn't Colt sing the same song at that time?? Those were dark days, and if the loons in Washington have their way those days will return and we will all soon be subjects.

[Ohen Cepel]

This is being dredged up again? The man is dead, let him rest in peace.

[Neo-Luddite]

There are many other reasons to dislike Ruger.

The fact that he made his flash hiders, folders and hi-caps LEO of his own accord never bothered me.

When it was just marketing--like Ford not selling 'police interceptor' crown vics to private citizens--that was fine. As with most things, self-imposed 'for police use only' policies are promoted by merchants to give that exlusive more-tactical-than-thou feel to their goods not otherwise barred for sale to the public at large by law. So if Ruger courted the police-buyer market by not selling k-mini's and 20 rnd mags, that's fine. Nice folks lined up to make the duplicate item to retrofit the little guns. Hi-cap mini-14 mags were cheap and (at least some) good quality. And a worn out police k-mini could be had second hand for twice what it cost the original purchaser. Just like I can buy that clunker Ford from the local PD when they are done wearing it out and live out my secret cop fantasy.

The problem is that the fool opened his mouth, said what he said about things and how little he esteemed the Citizens of Our Republic, and made clear that he would lay down for gold. Sorry to speak ill of the dead, but too bad. He went on record while he lived and breathed and his company has never recanted for him. Heretic of the RKBA he remains.

Now his company is always lined up to build in some little safety toy (ie. loaded chamber indicator, mag-disconnect, warning to the stupid that they are holding an actual gun). I find this onerous because they will, watch and see, be lined up and OK with laws forcing these changes in firearm design that will be codified in law by do gooders. As many do, I find loaded chamber indicators (at best) a sloppy substitute for training in safe weapon handling and at worse a feature that reduces reliability. And mag cut offs--can't picture a scenario where you NEED that gun to work without a mag? I can.

I'm rambling. The point being, I bought my 10/22 and my mini before he opened his yap. I like them pretty well. I'm not buying anymore.

[JWarren]

If I decided to cancel a friendship because I didn't agree with someone 100% of the time I'd be alone


If my FRIEND actively LOBBIED for LEGISLATION that sought to remove many of my RIGHTS as an American citizen, you better believe I'll cancel my "Friendship."

Disagreeing on issues is one thing. Seeking to legislate against the rights of the people in order to gain market share is intolerable!

A friend one mine once gave a diatribe to me about how our dollars are our only real votes in a capitalist economy. You "vote" for those that you are akin to, and you "vote" against those who are against you by not spending those dollars with them.

I do this on a daily basis. While I will not get rid of Ruger firearms purchased years ago, I can promise you that I'll never put my dollars in Ruger's hands again.


On a side note regarding friends. My neighbor who has repeatedly stated that citizens should not be allowed to own firearms is not welcome in my home, either.


John

[mike101]

Quote- "So you believe the company would fold before they'd consider not enforcing antiquated gun-control laws on civilians?"

Did I say that? Nope. I said write 'em a letter. As long as somebody is making high cap mags for Rugers, why waste the energy getting your shorts in a twist? While we're on the subject, Midway sells flash supressors,and those evil black stocks, too. I'm not crazy about the fact that Bill Ruger said what he said, but it was a long time ago. Let's try appealing to the new management, before we deprive ourselves of their guns. BTW, I REALLY hate that warning "to the stupid" on their barrels. Well said.

I understand that Ruger was getting sued a lot, back then, also. That may still be the reason for some of this.

[Ala Dan]

Hey Clarence222-

I'll help boycott Ruger, by shooting my NIB Ruger 50th Anniversary Blackhawk
.357 magnum, and my new stainless/syntheic 10/22~!:uhoh:

"That dad blasted Bill Ruger shouldn't never have made these dang guns,
and that would have kept me from buying them in the first place~!(LOL:D)

[Neo-Luddite]

Oh the @#$%^ with this it's Super Sunday and I'm going to Church with the kids to pray for a Midwestern-team win!

[Highland Ranger]

Can't bring myself to buy a Ruger or a Taurus (Smartgun).

[RugerCollector]

Fortuantely Bill Ruger was born, and lived in the USA. Here in the USA we have what is called freedom of speech. Ruger had a opinion, just like the rest of us do. Was his opinion based on the fact that he was against the public owning hi-cap mags, or was it that he didn't think the public needed them for hunting or plinking? Was Ruger anti American? NO,to all these questions. People that dream up this type of information (boycotts) have the right to do so, but god only knows why! You don't boycott a company because they don't make something you'd like to have. You write to them and voice your opinions, and if enough people make the same request, you might get your wish. Bill Ruger loved single shot rifles and created the No.1, which I'm proud to own. Maybe he was thinking about the No. 1 when asked about hi-cap mags. What is the purpose of the hi-cap mag?

[American_Pit_Bull]

Bill Ruger was no Ronnie Barrett when it came to second amendment rights.

Ruger was the epitome of selling out their loyal customers in order to cave to government pressure. Sales were put before American values.


This is all very old news though.

[Lone_Gunman]

Boycotting Ruger wopuld eliminate one of your choices in quality firearms.

Why assume Ruger would go out of business if we boycotted them? That is not the intention of the boycott. Nobody here wants Ruger to go out of business, just change their policy regarding Mini 14 High Cap mags.

If Ruger executives are so hell-bent on not selling high cap mags that they would actually let a boycott bankrupt them, then they are truly stupid and need to go out of business. If they are smart, they would simply yield to the buying public and sell high cap mags.

We want a policy change, not a bankruptcy. If we don't protest when companies step out of line and do something stupid, then how will they know we disagree with them?

[OLD DOMENION]

Bill Clinton is out of office.
Bill Ruger is dead.
Those gun hating Democrats/Socialest are back in power.

[biscuit82]

I say boycott to get rid of that damn barrel waring, replace it with a sticker or something else.
Personal indiffernt to hi cap mags, whats the point if the frist bullet makes a big hole in center mass.

[Jrsmith]

I'm sure we'll see more warning labels and 'saftey locks' as long as people keep mishandling firarms and suing the companies that make them...

As for boycotting Ruger, I'll just go ahead and keep my p89 and GP 100, and I'll even keep oggling that mini 14 (even if i HAVE to buy an aftermarket 30 round mag for it). Boycot them? Why, so they have to sell out their american factories to Japan like Winchester did? I'd rather they stay american, thank you very much.

And thanks for those who pointed out it was certian Hi-cap mags you can't get from Ruger... I was really confused every time I'd hear 'you can't buy ruger hi-cap mags anymore', then go look at my ruger 15 rnd mags for my p89 and wonder 'how do you exist if they say you cant?'

[Derby FALs]

Let's start buying those Dixie Chicks CDs folks! :rolleyes:

[Hemicuda]

I WOULD boycott Ruger, but darn-it, I LOVE my (5) 10/22's and my MK I, and my MK II, and my 77/22, and my 96/22...

boycotting them would mean no more of these, and they are SO much fun... do I HAVE to quit buying and shooting Rugers?

I don't necessarily agree (OK, I DON'T agree) with Ol' Bill's politics, but Ruger builds guns that are FAR too good to quit shooting and owning them...

[plexreticle]

Wikipedia is possibly the worst source of gun info on the internet.

Bill Ruger has been dead for a few years now anyway.

[cheygriz]

We are all feee to choose where we spend our money.

Personally, I will NEVER spend any of my hard earned money to promote the agenda of my enemies, and those who strive to eliminate my Second Amendment rights.

In other words, I will not buy anything made by Sturm, Ruger and Co.

I vote with my dollars.

[Euclidean]

Boycotting Ruger now is like closing the barn door after the cow gets out...

[Kilroy]

Bill Ruger introduced politicians to the descriptive means of banning high capacity magazines and firearms capable of using them. He was instrumental in educating those who'd prefer no one had any firearms. He made it possible to criminalize owning high capacity feeding devices and related firearms.

He did it to accomodate his own product line.

When I saw the letter, full of how to write the next law advice, I went out and stocked up on appropriate items.

Once he figured out the PR problem he created for himself, he did a credible job of buying his way back into the gun publics good graces. Throw lots of money at the problem.

[.38 Special]

BIG NEWS, everyone! I just got wind of the fact that Eliphalet Remington once wrote a note to a friend claiming that he didn't want his new breechloading rifle to fall into the hands of Native Americans. Racism!

I don't know about you folks, but I'm never buying another Remington as long as I live!!!

[gyp_c2]

...horsehockey...

We have real issues to worry over...
Mr. Ruger did a good job of building firearms that would be accessible to everyone...

Let's get back to the real stuff and let that old man rest in peace...:scrutiny:

[Autolite]

Bill Ruger said what he said to stay in business. Perhaps it was unethical, but isn't that the nature of all business? I see it as a "catch 22". Back during the early days of the AWB in the U.S., the antis here in Canada were very close to having Mini 14s banned. There was a very high profile college shooting in Quebec, (an all female college at that), back then and the shooter used a semi-auto Mini 14. I like to think that it was Bill Rugers comments that saved the Mini 14 from the axe. As a matter of fact, I was able to purchase one of the last factory folding stock Mini 14s from Sturm Ruger back during the AWB because folding stocks never were banned in Canada ...

[Green Lantern]

I don't own any Rugers. And if they STILL have the policy of no sales of "high-caps" to "civvies" like me, then I see no need to buy any Rugers.

Should they change this policy, I might change my mind. But then again why should I, when there are companies out there that ALREADY refuse to discriminate against non-.gov customers (except where required by law of course)???

[rust collector]

which is precisely what a CEO is obligated to do. He was trying to stanch the flow of prison built ordnance into this country and the flow of dollars to communist regimes. He was trying to make the best of a dire situation.

That doesn't mean I like the guy, agree with his philosophy, or think he should be sainted. It means that a general boycott would simply move Ruger completely into the investment cast and other fabrication business, and we'd be down another US gunmaker and potential ally. No thanks.

Of all the American gunmakers that have been in operation for more than 30 years, are there any that haven't been bankrupt, offshore controlled or haven't outsourced production offshore? It's a business, and if it doesn't supply a product that people want, delivers itself into the arms of product liability lawyers, or is out of touch with the political climate, it'll fail.

[salty]

Ruger's are gone from the company and no longer control the management. Since Jr. left the company the new management has seemed more attune to the consumer. The real business brains of the company left along time ago when Sandy Sturm died - and what you had was a inventor/machinist in charge. I think he did a pretty good job but now is the time for them to prove they give a damn about the customers. I don't boycott Ruger as I did Smith and Wesson during the recent "dark" years - I just don't look at Ruger products if there is another competing brand. Don't get me started on FN and Winchester.

[jerkyman45]

Not every arms manufacturer is as RKBA friendly as Ronnie Barrett.

[bill larry]

Guys...you must NEVER forget who wronged you!! Not Jane Fonda. Not Bill Ruger. Not anyone at any point that says or does something stupid to screw YOU, the AMERICAN CITIZEN over (for any reason, be it money or politics).

Just becuase there are current issues and worries facing the RKBA does not give a pass to those that bent us over in the past.

I dont buy Ruger. I buy used pinned and recessed S&W. I dont watch Jane Fonda movies and hey, I was born in 1981! LEARN AND REMEMBER OR REPEAT!

[utahminirevolver]

Gotta agree with 461, ArfinGreebly (excellent reminder about letting go of grudges, recognizing common interests, and focusing on real enemies), CajunBass, and others who can think kindly of an American manufacturer.

"Let's hang together or we'll surely hang separately" (paraphrased) Ben Franklin

Unless or until she gives Americans a Genuine Apology, I count Hanoi Jane as being an enemy.

[RevolvingCylinder]

I've only boycotted Ruger's long arms(I have no use for them;) ). I've also boycotted Glock for Gaston Glock's comments(actually, it's their poorly executed product combined with their foreign status;) ). I love Ruger revolvers and pistols though.

[Autolite]

rust collector said it best. Bill Ruger was in a no win situation. Success in business and ethics are rarely compatible. Would it has been better for old Bill to present himself as a hard right liner in proactive support of RKBA and have the company fold? (or at least have had some of his firearms banned???)

[Cosmoline]

Ruger has no policy against selling high caps to civilians. As I pointed out, they sell a number of high capacity pistol magazines direct to the public. If they had some sort of anti-gun policy against letting us get high caps, they would not sell them. The sole issue appears to be over Mini-14 high caps, which for whatever reason Ruger does not sell to the public, but which are easily found from other makers. Maybe they figure they'll never be able to sell their own overpriced high caps to anyone but departments. Why would you buy one given how easy it is to get much cheaper ones from other makers? MGW makes NINETY ROUNDERS, for the love of pete. What are you complaining about? If Ruger had a policy against high-caps, they would not sell them for their handguns. Moreover, they would change the design of their firearms to accept only low caps. Go around and look at other arms makers. They typically have only a very limited selection of magazines available for direct purchase, and what they have tends to be overpriced. There are dozens of companies specializing in making magazines. That's what they do, and they do it cheaper than the main company ever can. The only ones to trump this secondary market seems to be Glock, by incorporating proprietary features and chemical processes into the designs.

If you have a problem with Bill Ruger's decade's old comments, go scream at his grave.

[Derby FALs]

It wasn't going to affect his sales anymore than the other gunmakers he pulled the rug out from under. My first two handguns were Rugers. I owned a Mini14 before the ban but sold it for a song back then.

* "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun."
* "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round magazines or my folding stock."
* "I see nothing wrong with waiting periods." ___William Batterman Ruger, Sr.

[Cosmoline]

RUGER IS LONG DEAD! What part of that are you missing? Sturm Ruger the company is no longer owned or operated by Bill Ruger! Man, you guys are thick as oak planks sometimes. You're tring to start an idiotic ban over something that happened a damned GENERATION ago! Why not attack S&W again, since their sellout was much more recent? Not to mention, in S&W's case it was a true corporate sellout. Ruger was speaking for himself. So go deface his headstone.

[ArfinGreebly]

I do believe I'll buy me another Ruger.

I don't have any of their .357 products, and I don't have a PC rifle.

And you can never have too many 10/22s.

Yes, I do believe I'll get another Ruger.

Rest in peace, Bill.

[Lucky]

Cosmoline don't you think it's time you started buying Norincos? Tiananmen was near 20 years ago, Li Peng has been out of office coming on a decade.

Come on man, stop trying to run a good company out of business, and just write them a letter telling them how you feel. That's how you really get change done.

Oh, wait, the 'sporting purpose' clause courtesy of monsieur Ruger prohibits you from getting new Norinco rifles that compete with the Mini. Funny how that works.


Perhaps the one thing everyone can agree on is that Ruger sure knew his market base - Simple citizens.

[possum]

but I really, really love my sp101, very concealable and reliable.
Boycotts tend to harm the folks who work on the factory floor.

well sir you must sell that ruger and buy a S&W model 19!:)

[RevolvingCylinder]

Lucky, next time Ruger wants to bring money to a Communist regime that is gearing up to destroy us you tell us, OK?

I cannot see how you can compare giving money to nations that that are building up their military to kill us to something a dead president to an American firearm manufacturer said. But you go support China, Lucky. And quit complaining about inflated ammo prices caused by your beloved People's Republic of China.

[Gunpacker]

Yeah, I think a boycott of Norinco or Russia or other Commbloc nations would be more in order. They don't think civilians should even own guns, much less high cap ones. They simply sell here as an economic plan.
Bill Ruger sold LOTS of Mini 14s with high cap mags. He gave us an inexpensive .223 rifle, lots of inexpensive revolvers and semis. All of very high quality. He made great firearms at affordable prices.
Give Ruger credit for the good he did.
Since he's dead, I don't think a boycott would be a method of influencing him.

[Lucky]

Whoa whoa revolving cylinder, calm down, it's just business. It would be a little more constructive to communicate to the new leaders there vs. boycotting a company for actions done by men who have now passed from this earth, or actions that haven't even happened yet.

Besides I really like my CQ311, and Boycotts tend to harm the folks who work on the factory floor.

I SHALL BOYCOTT just as soon as I buy my M305. And the sooner the better!

For gosh sake their most despotic and aggressive leaders are dead! Get over it all ready! Why not spend some energy on the people who actually want to take away your guns rather than the people who are putting quality ones on the shelves.

The firearms industry needs to stay alive and stay healthy.

Norinco is a talented gun maker who also happened to have ties to leaders with antiquated political views about the RKBA. Most of them are dead now. Get over it.

If I decided to cancel a friendship because I didn't agree with someone 100% of the time I'd be alone, in the dark, with my moth collection and a carton of fig newtons.

And it's not like Ruger ever sold rifles to regimes of questionable merits...

[The Rifleman]

You people are CRAZY.

Ruger didn't start all this.. Your government officials did this after the police got tired of all the yahoo's with the machine guns and pistols walking the streets.

You can even read articles where the one time the police had to take over a gun shop to get weapons to fight against the bad guys after they ran out of ammo and was outgunned.

This has all been brought upon by yourselves.. Watching too much RAMBO on Tv and at the movie house.

I had a Beretta with one of them big magazines and it was uglier than a mud fence. I sold it and the person that bought it - probably did so just to get the magazine...

There isn't anyone out there that needs more than 6 shots to get the job done. Not even John Wayne had to take more than that..

The gun manufacturers didn't come right out and say - today we are going to stop making large capacity magazines.. They were told - as of today you are going to have to stop making large capacity magazines.. And that was some 6 - 8 years ago when they did it...

And it took you until today to find that out? Where have you been?

[Plink]

The time to have fought back was when this all started, not 18 years later. We have nothing to gain now. Also, Ruger sells their high cap mags for the Mini-14 to the public now, so apparently some saner heads are running things. I know I was really mad at the time too, but as usual, everyone just sat back and let it happen without resistance.

[tinygnat219]

Clarence222,
Boycott Ruger? (Boycott is spelled with two ts by the way :neener: ). Ummm, no.
It's obvious that Ruger wanted to spank Glock when they cleaned his clock with their wonderful product called the Glock 17. So it sounds like an ill-advised business decision.

Ruger is the only American company offering a full product line from rifles, to pistols, revolvers, and shotguns. I don't count S&W just yet since they just got back into the rifle and shotgun arenas. (Clarence222, Fixed the "is only" issue :neener: )

So some folks whine that they can't procure a Mini-14 with a 30 round magazine. So what? That's Ruger's philosophy, that's their business strategy. If they don't offer what you want, vote with your dollars and buy an AR variant. There are TONs out there that will happily take your money. However, I don't see the point of doing an industry-wide boycott like was done to S&W during the dark years of the Clinton campaign. There's a big difference there. S&W complied to compromise YOUR information and rights. Ruger hasn't done that. In fact, they resisted the Clinton campaign's illegal attempts to undo our Constitutional rights.

[Blacklabman]

RUGER IS LONG DEAD! What part of that are you missing? Sturm Ruger the company is no longer owned or operated by Bill Ruger! Man, you guys are thick as oak planks sometimes. You're tring to start an idiotic ban over something that happened a damned GENERATION ago! Why not attack S&W again, since their sellout was much more recent? Not to mention, in S&W's case it was a true corporate sellout. Ruger was speaking for himself. So go deface his headstone.



Cosmoline,
In your response to certain posters. You have to remember. In their attempt to climb up on their "cross". Some never let FACT's, get in the way of an arguement.


Boycott Ruger? No. I own six (6) of their firearms(rifles,revolvers) and plan to add another M77 this week.

[CU74]

After reading through all of these posts, I wonder how much could be accomplished if the time and effort was spent on trying to get some of the currently-active gun control legislation squashed instead of beating dead horses.

What's done is done. It's the now and future we should be working on. While some of us are reliving the past, the Ruling Class is gutting the Bill of Rights - TODAY.

Boycots are passive - we need ACTIVE.

[KINGMAX]

NEVER

[glen avon]

"He's dead. Get over it."

just as soon as ruger recants and/or apologizes. like S&W did.

bill ruger spent $1M to rehab his name by donating it to an NRA museum. maybe that's enough to distract some of you out there, but if he wanted my business, he would have given the million to the NRA-ILA.

bill did not believe mere citizens could be trusted with hicap mags. he brought us the 10-rd mag ban by offering that to congress. they still refuse to sell the 30-rd mags to civilians. yes, they have reluctantly at times allowed their 20-rd Mini mags to fall into our filthy, unworthy claws, but the 20-rd mag has a stamped catch and is inferior to the LEO 30-rd mag.

I will not send them any of my money, directly or indirectly. I will not sell out my principles - i.e., I will not "get over it."

you grovelling appeasers are welcome to lick all the boots you can stomach under the guise of "moving on" and "boy they sure do make sweet guns." go ahead and feed the hand that bites you. I will not.

perhaps you all thought the AWB was reasonable too.

[KINGMAX]

All men have rights and opinions, that may have been Mr Ruger's. I own RUGER's because they are great guns. No other reason.

[scratcherky]

:p I own RUGER firearms because I like them,will probably buy more. Boycott- I hardly think so!

[Sistema1927]

If you didn't buy guns from people who did stupid things (at least once) you wouldn't own any guns.

[SoCalShooter]

Ruger makes excellent firearms. I love the two that I own and will continue to purchase more. It was Ruger's opinion about magazines, like every other American he is entiled to his opnion...right or wrong or whether any of us like it.

[Green Lantern]

There isn't anyone out there that needs more than 6 shots to get the job done. Not even John Wayne had to take more than that..

"You mean you actually use a GUN? What a wimp! All a REAL man needs is a good roundhouse kick! Chuck Norris has killed like 23345501 bad guys with his feet!!!11111!!1!" :rolleyes:

Sorry for the sarcasm, but unless they forgot me when they handed out crystal balls, I can't foresee exactly WHAT my "job" will involve if the time comes. I'll use a 5 or 6 shot revolver if needed, but I much prefer 15+1 rounds at my disposal.

[HammerBite]

At the time, congress wanted to ban guns. They ended up banning hi-cap magazines for those same guns instead. Should the ban have gone the other way?

[Derby FALs]

At that time I would rather have seen that tried than the mags. Mags were relatively easy to ban whereas there would have been an uproar over an outright gun ban. Every year that goes by there are less of us to fight, more of them.

[Dienekes]

Just what I needed--someone telling me what I should or should not do with my money.

My folks went with me when I was 17 to buy my first pistol, a Ruger. If my mother had no problem with it, why should I listen to someone I never met???

[gulogulo1970]

Good grief, the man is dead and gone! Enough of this crap already.

If a company wants to sell the guns that they want, who are we to say they can't? Boycott if you want but I think we have bigger fish to fry in this fight.

They won't make a CC gun, so buy a S&W. Oh, wait I forgot we need to boycott them for the agreement and the lock. Foolishness!

[JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone]

There were motivations for what Bill said about high capacity magazines. Anything can be taken out of context. And you only cite one article. How often do writers mis-quote the full discussion?

While I never bought a new P-series when they first came out, I'm pretty sure there was a time when Ruger did send 15rnd mags with new guns.

Boycott Ruger just for a statement like that? I think not. Isn't the man allow'd to have a personal view? Coporate visionary or not? High cap magazines were ruled out by most states rules. -I'm sure someone has more correct info on that. But when laws of multiple states make it difficult to ship products 'just about anywhere', then manufactures modify the production line. This is good for the aftermarket world.

Look at all the restrictions for RoCali and other states. Some manufactures aren't even sending firearms there for sale because of the rules. Guns that are completely legal in other states.

Don't blame Bill for a personal view. Blame the law makers we've elected. Because politicians do things we don't want them to do, Are We To Boycot Voting now?

-Steve

[Fletchette]

Boycotts work...if there is enough outrage.

The boycott against S&W worked spectacularly; the management that cut the deal with Klinton was forced to sell the company at a huge loss. Other gun companies, like Berretta, immediately ceased any talks with the Feds about cutting deals.

While I do own a GP-100 (I have had it for many years) I will not buy another Ruger unless there is a policy reversal. There are other guns to meet my needs.

It is that simple.

[M.E.Eldridge]

I don't "boycot" Ruger, but I don't buy anything from them. Quite frankly, they don't have anything that I'm interested in.

I wonder how many people take as much time writing to their congress critters or teaching new shooters as they do bitching about a dead guys marketing ideas and calling for boycots...

[TimboKhan]

If we boycotted every company ever making a bad decision, right now Colt, Ruger and S&W would be out of business. Cry all you want about this treason, but the fact remains that he made a bad decision, pure and simple. If your gonna hold a bad decision against a dead man, be my guest.

Secondly, Ruger did not make his money off of LEO contracts. To my knowledge, Ruger didn't even make a gun that LEO's would have been remotely interested in until the mid 70's, and by that time, Ruger had established a loyal consumer base more than happy to buy his stuff.

You want to hate Ruger? Fine with me. But I will be darned if I am going to let people imply that I am some sort of traitor to 2A rights because I spend my money with that company.

[Green Lantern]

I wonder how many people take as much time writing to their congress critters or teaching new shooters as they do bitching about a dead guys marketing ideas and calling for boycots...

+1. I see nothing wrong with boycotting Ruger if one chooses to do so, but remember that if a gunmaker says he does not want civvies to own "______", we can talk with our wallets and shop elsewhere.

But if enough LAWMAKERS decide that they don't want civvies to own "______" then we're in DEEP trouble! :what:

[Lucky]

I think some people need dictionaries. No-one gives a damn what Ruger's personal views were, or what he chose to sell or build.

IT'S WHEN HE DRAFTED LEGISLATION FORBIDDING OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO BUY OR SELL STUFF THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

And the fact that they have never repented or apologized, that sort of precludes forgiveness. And some countries in the world (cough cough) are still living under laws he co-wrote, so I thank him every time I look at guns for sale that have normal capacity magazines or barrels smaller than a canned ham.

God damned collaborator.

[clarence222]

Wooderson- I like your reply from last night a simple to the point no. With no personal attacks.

RNB65- Thank you for the p.s. but 30 years ago I was the ripe old age of 4 years, and for some unkown reason I was more interested in Bugs Bunny than I was Bill Ruger or his politics and business ideas.

mike101- Read my post, you will see That I am neither upset or angry over this just questioning why no one has said something about it before and whether anyone thought we might need to do something now. I DO NOT NOW OR EVER HAVE TAKEN A VALIUM. I know the man is still dead but the policy is still the same. Try rereading my response to enkindler where I agreed that trying another avenue would be the better thing to try first.
Furthermore if we can't all work together and change one companies policies regarding us, please someone tell me how in the world we expect to change the minds of congress or the millions of people who vote and put those people in congress.

Colt46- S & W I believe has changed the policy, Ruger has not.

Ohen Cepel- Like I said none of my Ruger firearms are or will be for sale.

Euclidean- How about we get the cow back in the barn then shut the barn door.

Cosmoline- Telling someone to go scream at a grave or to deface a headstone, for that matter even thinking about such things is such and adult thing to do. No wonder the anti's all think we are nuts. This is not a personal attack on Bill Ruger as much as it is the policies of his former company. Once again S & W has changed the policy.

RevolvingCylinder- Everyone on here supports the economy of China as well as other Communist regimes including you. Before you say you don't look inside that computer you used to get online and see where the majority of parts come from or any other electronic device you have used recently. For that matter try looking at the tags on the majority of the clothes in your posession and see where they come from.

Plink- According to your logic after a certain amount of time passes we should just give up on getting things changed. How much time has to pass before we give up? Should we also forget about ever changing the 1986 machine gun law? Or how about the campain finance law that no longer lets the NRA, Trade Unions or many other groups form running ads within a certain timeframe before an election? Please show me where to buy a Ruger hi-cap mag directly from Ruger and not Midway, CDNN or any other online or local retailer.

tinygnat219- Unfortunately I am not the best typist in the world, and neither am I the best speller, nor have I claimed to be. Since you brought my error to my attention with the cute little smiley face thing let me ask you a question about your post, you might want to reread it before responding.
Did you mean to put the word "the" between is and only in the second part of your response? Maybe you should reread you own post for errors before pointing out errors in someone elses post.:neener:

Blacklabman- I am not climbing on a cross never have wanted to. The facts as I have been able to tell are that Ruger still has this policy in effect S & W does not. My initial post on this subject simply asked the question why did we boycott S & W over its policies yet we haven't done anything about what Ruger's policy is regarding hi-cap mini-14 or mini-30 mags which so happen to be the only hi-cap mags guaranteed to function properly.

CU74- Once again if it has already been done and we should leave it alone and only worry about the future? Then why is there so much California bashing for their laws on guns. Its done right so lets just forget about getting anything changed. Glad we didn't take that attitude about the AWB. Since we fought to let that sunset instead of becoming permanent law. I guess that was just a one time thing?

Dienekes- Never once did I tell you what to do with your money, yet I simply asked some what I thought were good questions. I could personally care less what you or anyone else does with his or her money. Maybe we should all listen to people we have never met if for no other reason than to work together, sharing ideas to try and change some of the wrongs that have been done to us, whether it be congress, the UN or firearms company that may or may not have policies that we disagree.

gulogulo1970- I personally don't think this is crap and if you have read all of the replies to this thread I am not alone. This was not meant to ba an attack on a man who is no longer alive but simply questions to other people who enjoy guns about the policies of the Ruger company itself. They don't make a cc weapon? How about the SP101/KSP-321XL at 7" in length it is the same length as the Springfield Micro-Compact 1911-A1. I would think that should be able to be concealed, and in a .357 magnum I wouldn't hesitate to carry it.
I don't buy S & W either, and the agreement they had is no longer an agreement.

JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone- I haven't spent the last month researching this topic that I came across completely by accident. I don't think it was just an opinion though simply because it seems to be current company policy. This is not an attack on Bill himself but on the policies of his former company. Again this research is very limited but according to the following link very few states completely ban hi-cap mags. There are restrictions in other states pertaining to what type of weapon can have a hi-cap mag as well as when the mag was made. Some cities have laws against hi-caps such as Chicago.
I would not consider that to be most states. But I will admit I don't live in any of the states on this list and have only used this one source. However hi-caps are legal to own in my state. No I don't think we should boycott voting
I personally think we need to vote more.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/NoHiCapChemSpray.pdf

M.E.Eldridge- I have wrote my elected officials and have spoke to sveral of them in person. I for one am not bitching about anyone's marketing it was simply a few questions as to whether we should continue our support for this company or any other company, or any elected official that we don't agree with.

TimboKhan- I thought we did boycott S & W and it seemed to work very well as that is no longer a policy of that company. I don't hate Ruger the man or the company. I personally haven't read any where in this thread where any person has implied that anyone is a traitor to the 2A, except Bill Ruger and I didn't make that statement.


I asked for opinions and boy did I ever get them. I appreciate each and every response to my questions whether they were for or against the idea. I have stated in this response as well as in earlier responses that maybe other actions should be tried first. What I don't appreciate is the snide and hateful remarks such as inviting me to scream at a dead mans grave, take a valium or to defae a headstone. I think those types of ideas are very childish and immature but then again that is just my opinion, and we are all entitled to our opinions. That said I see very little hope for the gun owners in this country to keep what rights we have or to regain the rights we have lost. We as a group who have posted on this thread can't seem to have a simple conversation about differing ideas regarding how to keep or win back our rights. I have noticed this type of thing on other threads here on THR and frankly it makes me sick.

I am a member of the the NRA, I vote I, and my wife and I work had for the things we want and need. If you really want to know who I blame for this and other issues, just listen. I blame the last several generations of citizens of the U.S. as well as my own. Whether it has to do with the erosion of our Bill of Rights or our economy, to many of them in general and on THR have simply not done the job required. They built shoddy merchandise so much that most of our high paying manufacturing jobs have now left the country. They let the Feds get way out of control and some don't even seem to mind. Someone said think about the kids, I am thinking about them. I have one son and a daughter on the way and they are both always in the front of my mind.

I hear alot about the haves and have nots in this country and let me just say that after reading several posts on THR over the last several months that I am very happy to one of the haves. Whether you think I'm bitching about a dead man's ideas. A whiner, a nut job or a drug addict. I can assure I am none of them. We are losing the fight for our rights and all one needs to do to understand why is to simply read some threads on THR. With all of the bickering and personal attacks within replies to the threads or personal ideas it is very plain to see why we will lose this fight in the future. I only fear that it will be much sooner than later.

[ArfinGreebly]

I don't think I like the laws the Senate's been passing lately. Don't much care for the stuff coming from the House either.

I think I'll boycott their product line.

They don't make anything I'm really interested in, and I'm pretty sure I can do without their stuff.

They're not getting another dime from me. No sir. Not a red cent . . . what?

Whaddaya mean I can't?

Jail?

What kind of legislature is this, anyway?

[Hemicuda]

As someone else stated, my first semi-auto handgun was a Ruger KP-89 DC, and it came in a nifty grey plastic box, with not one but TWO 15 round magazines... and a mag-loader and paperwork, and a nifty brass lock... SO, at one time, Ruger DID include standard capacity (15 round) magazines with it's handguns...


Boy, I kinda miss that old tank of a gun...

[Limeyfellow]

He wanted to cripple his European competition (Glock etc.).

That tends to be the reasoning behind lots of gun control, especially the 89 ban and they about died in ecstasy to get the Chinese from taking up their 1/3rd of the US market back in 93.

[the pistolero]

My first sidearm was a stainless Ruger P89; I picked it up in the spring of '05, and it came with two 15-round mags. I don't know what would have changed between then and now with regards to hi-cap magazines, but apparently you can still get them in Texas.
As for the "boycott <insert gun company here> threads, I think they've gotten about as long in the tooth as the Walmart threads, but that's just me...

[nramember2]

No Rugers here. I hate to bite any hand that is pro gun but.

http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/papabill.html

[cracked butt]

I won't boycott Ruger, but I'll never buy a 10/22, a mini-whatever, or a centerfire Ruger pistol, there are better guns out there that do the same thing as these.

[Hemicuda]

What out there does the same job as a 10/22, but does ir better? (unless you are talking about the complete Volquartsen custom jobbies at 2 grand a pop)

What (in the same price range) fills the same niche as a 10/22?

[tinygnat219]

"tinygnat219- Unfortunately I am not the best typist in the world, and neither am I the best speller, nor have I claimed to be. Since you brought my error to my attention with the cute little smiley face thing let me ask you a question about your post, you might want to reread it before responding.
Did you mean to put the word "the" between is and only in the second part of your response? Maybe you should reread you own post for errors before pointing out errors in someone elses post."

Clarence222,

Error has been fixed :o . I was on my second 6 pack of hard cider when I wrote that last night. Re-read it and I am surprised it came out as eloquent as it did. Good catch and I deserve the spank for commenting on spelling when I didn't catch my gramar error. My opinion still stands though on Ruger.

I don't see the point of a boycott against one of the better American Firearms companies when the man who made that policy is long dead and buried. Still, I can respect your viewpoint and can even see where you are coming from. I hope you find the rifle you are looking for.

[Lonestar]

Sure Boycott Ruger and Smith & Wesson, and buy a Glock or a CZ. I'm sure buying nothing but foriegn made guns will really help the country and the American Shooting sports :rolleyes:.

Ruger and S&W are American Companies. Ruger still make all of their handguns and rifles in the US. Cannot say that about a lot of the US gun manufactures.

[utahminirevolver]

Lucky,

If you want to work against bad legislation being drafted, I'd suggest you try to influence your fellow citizens to boycott Stephane Dion and the Liberal Party.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would try to get Canadians to boycott the socialist NDP and the francophone-socialist Bloc Quebecois. (Long story short: get them to vote for Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party):) .

If you don't like the lack of "barrels smaller than a canned ham", never mind Ruger. It was the above mentioned leftist parties, especially the Liberals, that saddled Canada with a ban on any barrels shorter than about 4.2 inches.

I sincerely wish you good luck in this.

[Lucky]

You are correct. However I can dislike gangrene as well as amputations. Disliking one does not preclude disliking the other. And Bill Ruger is the author of those policies, just as gangrene leads to amputation. Every time I load 5 cartridges into a perfectly good magazine I can thank Old Bill.

And it might be easier to defeat that legislation if the company that founded it would come out and say it was wrong... That could sort of help.

[cracked butt]

What out there does the same job as a 10/22, but does ir better? (unless you are talking about the complete Volquartsen custom jobbies at 2 grand a pop)

What (in the same price range) fills the same niche as a 10/22?
For the same price range, a Marling model 60 is a better shooter, for a few Benjamins more, TC and Browning make some spectacular semiauto .22s. ;)

[Jrsmith]

or a centerfire Ruger pistol, there are better guns out there that do the same thing as these.

I'll tell you what, I looked around and, for the price I was looking to pay, my ruger kp-89 was the best deal out there for me. Sure I could have gotten a CZ but, call it blasphemy if you want, my ruger just feels better in my hand... somehow. Especially after I put on some Hogue grips. I just wish the trigger was a bit crisper but I guess i've got the GP 100 for that.

I think that trying to boycot the current Ruger management because of what a previous owner said and did might be a stretch... but if the new management is open to customer suggestions, as they seem to be open too, then maybe trying some other type of action might work.

[Anna's Dad]

I'm rarely in favor of an organized boycott and this case is no exception. I personally will not purchase a Ruger with the barrel warning. Not because I hate the company, but because I find that it destroys the look of the gun and is really pointless.

[Hk91 Fan]

I'm sure this same post will be written 25 years from now.

[Highland Ranger]

The only thing the Ruger 10/22 has over the Marlin is the whole aftermarket parts thing.

Still wouldn't buy one; they feel like a club next to a CZ or Browning.

[Texshooter]

I, at this time, would not boycott but I wonder if some of the passion is misdirected.

Mr. Ruger is there in name only. Mr. Sanetti (sp?) is there in power. I remember reading his eulogy for Mr. Rugers funeral and WTTE "helped pass the high capacity magazine ban" were included in the list of accolades.

Should folks who feel they have a legitimate gripe not be addressing Steve?

[Atticus]

If boycotting means not buying one...then great. That is a decision we can all make...in reaction to a decision they made. I don't know all the reasons why Bill Ruger did the things he did. As someone else mentioned, he might have been using his political clout to repond to competition....and we all know how well that worked. The free market is a wonderful thing.
Bills gone now and I'm OK with his company choosing not to sell whatever...as long as they don't actively promote negative legislation. I still like their revolvers, bolt guns, O/U's and 10/22's.

[kds99]

Mr. Stephen L. Sanetti , 57
Pres, Chief Operating Officer, Gen. Counsel $

Mr. Thomas A. Dineen , 38
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Ms. Leslie M. Gasper , 53 Sec.

Mr. Michael O. Fifer , 50
Chief Exec. Officer

Mr Thomas P. Sullivan ,
VP of Newport Operations

list of key execetive officers for ruger. As you can see there are no Rugers on the board. The ruger family sold most the stock they held 6 months ago.

time to let it go

[bg]

My old model Vaq in 45lc is one of my most favorite
sidearms. I can actually hit some things with it. It
has been very forgiving and has never let me down.

I like to think it's the craftsman tool of my meager
arms collection. I can do just about anything with
it and regardless it will shoot and hit. I don't
approve of what the late Mr.Ruger did, but I'm
sure not going to blame his actions on my poor
old Vaq.

Now my mini-14...that's a whole different pc of
pie..

[Glockfan.45]

For the same price range, a Marling model 60 is a better shooter, for a few Benjamins more, TC and Browning make some spectacular semiauto .22s.

It depends on your intentions. For me no .22 is anything more than a plinker so theres something to be said about detachable magazines, and aftermarket high capacity magazines, tube fed semi autos never did it for me. I curse Bill Rugers name every time I hear it and would be tempted to spit on his grave should I ever visit, however I dont advocate a boycot against the company. If you want high capacity mags for your mini 14 Ruger makes them and they can be bought though outside sources. I had a few when I had my mini 14, and there is always the aftermarket as well. Promags mini 30 waffle mags work well and I can buy them all day for 14 bucks. Ruger sells high capacity mags to the public for their pistols, and they dont offer them for the 10/22 because no high capacity mag functions as reliable as the 10 round rotary mag they come with and I doubt Ruger wants the 10/22s reputation spoiled by shoddy mags.

[WxManTUS]

I have a Ruger Mark 2 and it came with stainless rings to mount a scope, but I am not sure what style these rings are called. The have a screw that when tightened grips the mount on both sides, but its not a weaver style. Anybody understand what i'm referring to. Thanks in advance.

[sturmruger]

I have been here on THR since the beginning if there is one thread topic that I am getting so sick of it is this one right here!!! I have never read so much bull **** in my entire life as there is in the thread. Bill Ruger was a great American who besides John Moses Browning invented some of the greatest guns of this century. While I do not agree personally with some of his political beliefs towards the end of his life he and his company have done a lot for this country. They still to this day manufacture guns that are inexpensive and tough as nails. When I look over my want list for gun purchases well over half of the long guns are Ruger guns. These calls for boycotts are truly crazy. Lets just keep boycotting every gun manufacturer so they all go out of business then we won't have to worry about them making any deals with liberal politicians.

[Derby FALs]

Sounds like rimfire rings.

[30 cal slob]

*snicker* *snicker* *giggle*

Poor Bill Ruger Sr. shot himself in the foot it seems ... pandering to the antigunners and diversifying into other sporting goods.

this chart ain't pretty.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/30calslut/RGRchart.jpg

[DeltaGunner]

I don't need no stinking high capacity magazines, I can take my weapons and place the round where it's supposed to be!
WWI and WWII were wars fought with bolt action 5 shots '03s and 5 shot M1 Garands, we kicked their hind ends.
Yeah let's get brilliant and put more Americans out of jobs.
I like my Rugers they shoot good, and I can buy 30 rounders and c-mags all day long that function in them quite well.
Give it a break, let's get back to shooting our guns for the pleasure, and quit dreaming of WAR.
If you all want high capacity mags and weapons for War get off your ass and enlist, take a tour in Iraq with the Marines.
My hats off to those boys. I did my time and paid my dues, I'm not looking forward to another round of being at war. So if they got the nut's to come here and start one, you gotta admit with the fire power legally owned in this country they'll play hell, winning at anything.

[cheygriz]

NO NEED TO SHOUT.

If I choose to spend my money on something made by a company that does not sell out my rights to the liberal anti-gunners, that's my business. If I choose to boycott a jackass, that's my business.

The question now, is whether or not the new management will continue to be in bed with Sarah Brady and Teddy Kennedy.

The answer to that will come when they decide to continue, or discontinue, their refusal to sell factory hi-caps and folding stocks.

If they continue the old jackass's policies, then to hell with them.