[jsalcedo]

So.. the wife and I are going out to dinner and we stop into Applebees in San Antonio.

As I walk in through the first door there I notice a sign at knee level:

NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND ARE ALLOWED ON OUR PREMISIS
NOT EVEN WITH A PERMIT.

My wife immediately asks, Do you want to eat somewhere else?

I told her that I could legally walk in there armed but didn't want to be a patron of that kind of establishment.

We ate at Lubys instead.

Has anyone seen this sign at any other Applebees location?

I'm getting ready to fire off some letters and I'm wondering if it is corporate policy or franchisee.

[AJ Dual]

I'd write that letter.

Even if Applebee's is anti, sinage not approved by corporate H.Q. is often a no-no, and you can often get the sign to go away just from that standpoint alone. :D

[cordex]

Never seen that hereabouts, but I don't generally frequent Applebees either.

[Mike Irwin]

Haven't seen that in Virginia Applebee's, either.

[rock jock]

Send that letter and then let us know how they respond. IIRC, these are not franchises so it is either corporate policy (in which case they can kiss any of my future business goodbye) or the manager is going this one on his own.

[280PLUS]

next time go in and ask them if youre supposed to check your gun at the door...

:evil:

[Quantrill]

Always liked Luby's better anyway. Thanks for the heads up. Driving out to Az, we always stop in Amarillo and eat at Luby's. It is kind of, "Well, now we are getting close". Quantrill

[HankB]

Sometimes signs that do not comply with PC30.06 are posted to placate the sheeple, since CHL holders know that non-compliant signs are meaningless.

Or the manger could just be a clueless hoplophobe. (A redundancy, to be sure.)

I haven't seen that particular sign when I've walked past the local Applebees in Austin. (Didn't eat there - too crowded - but I'll look again next time I'm near it.)

[JohnBT]

I gave their site the once over for the heck of it, but didn't see anything related to weapons. If they sell beer they wouldn't need a No Guns sign in Virginia anyway. JT

"The Applebee’s system is approximately 76% franchised and 24% company-owned. There are 51 domestic Applebee’s franchisees."

[jsalcedo]

I fired off an Email to the CEO and to the investor relations
and will follow up with hardcopy if I don't a response right away.

BTW applebees group is in Overland Park Kansas (liberal anti-gun capitol of the midwest)

Here goes:

I noticed this sign as I walked into Applebees on the corner of Jones Maltsberger and 410 in San Antonio:

"NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND ARE ALLOWED ON OUR PREMISES
NOT EVEN WITH A PERMIT."

I am a licensed handgun carrier and so are 260,000 law abiding Texans like myself.

Nationally there are millions of concealed handgun license holders.

We have undergone state and federal background checks, have no felonies ever,
owe no back taxes, have not defaulted on state loans, and are generally of an upper income group.

It seems Applebees would want people like us in their restaurants.

I'm hoping this one location just made a bad judgment call.

Please respond or forward this to the appropriate officer in your company.

I am concerned about your corporate policy and so are thousands of others like me.

Sincerely:

Jesse Salcedo

jsalcedo@satx.rr.com

[Sam Adams]

Is that the one on Fredricksburg Rd.? I only ate there once, a long time ago, and I never noticed.

I WOULD send the letter, whether or not I entered (and you could, of course, enter legally while packing), and I'd be sure in that case to inform the corporate management that I DIDN'T eat there because of the sign and WON'T if it isn't taken down.

[gryphon]

Is it against the current carry law to have a firearm in a place with a liquor license?

The Applebee's around here all serve hard liquor, and if the CCW law that is on the table passes here, I couldn't carry there either.

Is this a situation that falls into that category?

[jsalcedo]

Where I'm at, an establishment has to derive 51% of its income in alcohol before it is off limits to CCW.

If an esablishment does indeed get 51% they have to post 2 signs at the entrance stating in big red letters that they do.

Applebees did not have the 51% sign or the 30.06 sign saying they disallow guns under the tresspass staute.

[280PLUS]

is 260,000 a typo? i thought texas was carry capitol of the us and i know there are about 400,000 licensed carriers in puny little connecticut,

am i to believe we outnumber big ol' texas???

:confused:

i hope we don't have to come down there and kick the mexicans out of the alamo again...

:neener:

[CZ-75]

Always liked Luby's better anyway.

And Luby's would probably be one of the LAST places to ask CCW holders not to carry.

[themic]

well, in virginia, you could always open-carry, unless there was a sign.

open carry not for me, however.

[pax]

NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND ARE ALLOWED ON OUR PREMISIS. NOT EVEN WITH A PERMIT.
There are plenty of weapons there already.

Steak knives.

Forks.

Chairs.

Plates, saucers, water glasses can all be broken over someone's head and/or used as a slashing weapon.

The most dangerous weapon is a twisty human mind, and there's no way to keep that out.

pax

Why don't they just put up a sign that says, "No robberies allowed"? -- Don Stahlnecker

[Bowlcut]

Yea like he said...everyone knows Stone Cold is from Austin and he swings a mighty mean chair. Probaly as dangerous or more than you sitting in there with your CCW on you.

I used to frequent Applebee's when the local one was alot nicer of a place. Management went way down hill tho. I havent been in but one or two in a few years. But a letter to corporate will put it to rest. As with any other franchise if its not approved it is likely not allowed

[Mal H]

I have been to several Applebee's in northern and central Virginia and in a few in both North and South Carolina. Never saw a sign like that in any of them. That has got to be a local management issue not an Applebee's directive.

[cobb]

After reading this post, I stopped at the local Applebees and looked for a sign. Checked inside and out of the entrance doors, no signs,,,,,,,,,yet.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

One of the nice things about having a CCW in California, is that since they’re so rare (especially in the San Francisco Bay Area) that it would never occur to a merchant or business owner that one of their customers might be lawfully carrying a firearm, therefore they would never post a sign at the entrance prohibiting such carry.

When ever I’m in Texas or Oklahoma on business, it always amuses me to see the signs forbidding firearms in the airport… I used to think ‘well duh…of course no firearms in the airport, why do they even feel the need to post a sign? Oh yeah, right, people can carry here…I forgot.’

[DontShootMe]

Applebees has the SLOWEST service. Ever.

[Safety First]

In Georgia, we can not CCW in a restaurant that sells alcohol,so here it is a given..I would like to see that change, I can understand a bar (guns and alcohol do not mix) but not a eating establishment....

[QuarterBoreGunner]

In Cali, the Dept o' Justice specifies that you cannot carry in an establishment whose primary business is the sale of on-premise consumption alcohol (bars). Restaurants that serve liquor are ok, as are nightclubs that have dancing or bands.

[aerod1]

I am from the Dallas area. I was visiting relatives in San Antonio and must have visited the same Appleby's because I saw the same sign. I abided by their wishes and took my business (money) elsewhere. I have never visited another Appleby's since that day 7 yrs. ago. I never will. Appleby's has lost my business FOREVER!
I understand the food isn't that good anyway.

Jim Hall

[El Tejon]

jsal, is that the Applebee's on the northside by the airport in down the road from the PT's? That's where I stay in Saint Tony's, in the Drury Inn or the Hampton Inn.

I know exactly what sign it is then. Brown with white lettering? Don't think it meets the .30-'06 posting requirement that y'all have down there. Thought it was for out-of-town mommies.

No signs in Applebees here, but then no signs around these parts (one westside strip bar in Indy has one--"No Motorcycle Colors, No Weapons").

[Standing Wolf]

I don't do business with anti-Second Amendment bigots.

[jsalcedo]

Yep Tejon thats the one. I'm beginning to think it is just that location. I'll wait to hear what corporate says.

[El Tejon]

jsal, when I first started going to Saint Tony's shortly after your carry reform, I noticed oodles of strange "no guns" signs. That one at the Applebees on 410 was one of the first.

Not long ago I asked the goateed bartender about it (El Tejon never shuts up--yack, yack, yack). He shrugged and got a manager. I asked the manager about it. He shrugged and said it was up there when he came to the store years ago.

If people don't want to change, they claim it is impossible or "policy." "I don't want to get off my bloated backside, it's policy for X."

I suspect that sign is there because no one wants to take it down. Could be that in '95 the manager heard about putting up non-compliant .30-'06 signs to stroke the sheople but not have the TSRA boycott them at a seminar from a corporate lawyer.

I see fewer and fewer signs in Tejas. That one will go someday as well.:)

[Combat-wombat]

What is PC 30.06, anyway?

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

"....there's no reason for it, it's just our policy".

Regards,
Rabbit.

[nemesis]

Combat-wombat said.......
What is PC 30.06, anyway?
30.06 is the code that stipulates the precise requirements for a sign if you don't want CHL on your premises. Principally, it says contrasting lettering of at least one inch in height and must be bilingual. The required verbage is very precise.

To tell the truth, I ain't but ever seed one. I saw one that came pretty close at a local Popeyes but it's only at that one location. A couple of places in the Rio Grande Valley have tried it (Blockbuster, for one) but the results made them change their minds.

What we see most commonly are very official looking signs that seem to prohibit concealed carry but you must read them close to realize that they stipulate "the unlicensed carry" is what is prohibited.

The only place I make a point of not carrying is in the Post Office. Them Feds got no sense of humor.

[Freightman]

Well first off if the food I recieved a Applebee's is considered food then i do not think I will worry about the sign cause I aint going back.
And if you are comming through Amarillo and expecting to eat at Luby's, dont they closed the doors three months ago.

[Tamara]

Ever since Applebee's discontinued their yummy cheesy breadsticks, I haven't been much of a patron, anyways. ;)

[illuminatus99]

must be a whole different operation down there, the applebees I go to in WA has great service, good food and no sign saying you can't carry except for the 30.06 posted in the bar.

[Delmar]

The Applebee's in Richardson, TX clearly states at the door that it is a felony to carry concealed there without a CHL permit. Fair enough. This particular location has some of the best sirloin steaks for the price around, and they see me on a lot of Mondays because they drop the price for them just for that day.

[wendy]

In the St. Louis area the service is usually good, food okay and no anti signs that I have seen but will start paying a little more attention when I go into places such as Applebee's

[Ala Dan]

I don't dine where my firearms aren't welcome!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[priv8ter]

Oh, I will admit it's no Ruth Chris Steakhouse, but as far as a place I feel okay bringing my (sometimes) fussy 11 month old too, Applebee's isn't half bad.

Out here in Washington, they have no signs like that...as long as you sit at the tables in the dining area. I think they may have something in the 'Bar' section though.

Kind of makes it tough here in Washington...you can carry in a resteraunt that serves alcohol, but not a bar that serves food. Not quite sure what the actual determing criteria are, but, I'm careful not to push it.

[280PLUS]

you must remember if you go to almost any franchise restaurant you will find your food being cooked by high school or college kids

none of whom are studying the culinary arts.

i avoid them like the plague, having been one of those high school/college kids cooking your food in the past myself.

:what::eek:

oh, i never got an answer to the 260,000 licensed handgun owners in texas

are we sure we're not missing a zero or something??

m

[pax]

Priv8ter,

Not quite sure what the actual determing criteria are, but, I'm careful not to push it.
In WA, the criteria is whether or not it is within the "Under 21 Not Admitted" section. If your kid can't legally enter, neither can your gun. Taking a gun into an "Under 21 Not Admitted" area is a specific violation of the gun codes.

Btw, the 30.06 signs are strictly a Texas thing. Up here in WA any old "no guns allowed" sign meets the law's criteria ... but such a sign has no separate force under the law. If they catch you and verbally request that you leave and you stick around anyway, you could be guilty of (at worst) a misdemeanor under the trespass laws, not a violation under the gun codes.

pax

[No4Mk1]

280PLUS,

According to the TX DPS (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/demographicsummary.PDF) there are 226,179 active licenses as of May 1, 2003.

nemesis,

The only place I make a point of not carrying is in the Post Office. Them Feds got no sense of humor.

There is debate on this topic, and I personally believe there is no legal reason for a lawful CHL holder NOT to carry in a post office in Texas. If you want to read more on the topic, you can go here. (http://communities.prodigy.net/sportsrec/gz-rtc-usps.html)

[Kinsman]

Applebees.....theyboil their ribs!!!

[gristle head]

Quantrill---Next time you're passing through Amarillo to Az., you are going to have to find a a new place to eat. Our Lubys are gone along with the K-Marts.

[Skunkabilly]

Yeah, never seen a sign here except at schools, and I think those are meant for the kids :D

Otherwise, never seen a sign like that in California (what QBG said) ;) I think people here assume that carrying a gun is illegal no matter what.

[Russ]

If you are stupid enough to show them your "CONCEALED" handgun, then they can ask you to leave. That's all. If you come back and are again stupid enough to show them your gun, which is supposed to be concealed, then the can have you arrested for trespassing, not for carrying illegally. Keep the gun concealed and no problem. If a nut comes in and tries to kill you all bets are off.

[jsalcedo]

Its not about the carrying russ, its about spending money in an establishment that doesn't respect or agree with RKBA.

Heck, whenever I see that little sign with the crossed out handgun I can go in there and walk around armed but I really don't want to because there is a good chance that corporation supports gun control, has lobbied against my rights or has donated to VPC, HCI or their ilk.

[CZ-75]

Applebees.....theyboil their ribs!!!

Parboil, usually. Meaning they boil for a bit, then finish them in the smoker to quicken cooking. I imagine Applebee's doesn't have a smoker, though. A lot of BBQ joints do this, but none that I'll eat in more than once.


As to seeing signs in non-CCW states, I don't think I've ever seen them except at govt. facilities.

[jsalcedo]

Dear Jsalcedo@satx.rr.com:

I understand you have e-mailed Mr. Gregg Spickler, the Director of Operations for the Applebee’s in San Antonio, concerning your handgun.

I told him I will personally respond.

I am pleased that you are a guest of Applebee’s in San Antonio and I hope your patronage will continue but it will not continue with you carrying a concealed weapon into one of our restaurants. We have a notice posted in all of our lobbies asking that this not occur.


Le me repeat, we want to keep your business, but only without your handgun.

I am enclosing the TX law for you to read.


30.06 Trespass by Holder of License to Carry Concealed Handgun

A license holder commits an offense if the license holder comes on the property without effective consent and receives notice that an entry by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden, or remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was forbidden and failed to depart.


Hopefully, you will continue to do business and patronize our Applebee’s in the future.

Sincerely,


Frank A. DeAngelo

President of Applejam of TX, Inc.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

They didn't respond to my original letter and the Applebees I went to had no 30.06 sign.

I didn't write them concerning my handgun it was about a stupid
sign "no weapons of any kind even with a permit.

I guess I can officially boycott Applebees and Applejam inc.

Lets spread the word.

[CZ-75]

I imagine Applejam may have more than Applebee's franchises. Ask them for a list of their operations, then start posting here, packing.org, etc. so all gun-owners can know which establishments NOT to patronize.

[H Romberg]

I sent off a question to the head office at:

javascript:WinOpen('http://www.applebees.com/cgi-bin/guestrelations/contact_email.cgi','','resizable=yes,width=522,height=475,top=50,left=50')

Hope the link works. Here's what I sent:

I frequent an Applebee’s near my home, and heard from a friend in Texas that your company prohibits patrons from carrying legally concealed firearms on your premises. Is this a company policy? I hope not, but if so, I can no longer continue to patronize your establishments. I enjoy your restaurants, and hope to continue patronizing them. I hope to hear that my friend's difficulties are the temporary result of a local oversight. Many thanks for your time. I look forward to your reply.

I'll post any reply they send.

[280PLUS]

imagine an american of italian descent being anti-gun:barf:

although we ARE partial to shotguns, handguns are fun too,,,

:evil:

i hereby agree to officially boycott applebees, never went there anyways,

besides i just heard they BOIL their ribs:eek: :what: :barf:

i did up some babybacks the other day in the smoker with the natural charcoal...

i cook em nice and slow

yuuummmm yum!

they're gone now...

:D

[Alan Smithiee]

I just checked by phone with the manager of the local Applebee's here in Moscow Idaho.

"we are not allowed to allow CCW on the premises"

he also did not know if they had a sign posted.

NB

[CZ-75]

Applebee's reminds me of England: hoplophobia and boiled food. :D

[Fish Springs]

Just Curious...with all of the quality restaurants in SE Texas and the interesting local eateries that do smoked meats why would you ever want to eat at Applebys...after 6 years, I've not even been interested.

Applebys is just not on the culinary radar here. There is no shortage of interesting restaurants in San Antonio either.

[jsalcedo]

Very true but sometimes the parents are tired and they just want to sit down and eat at the first available scarfateria.

Thats how I ended up in there and saw the offending sign in the first place.

They fixed their stupid no guns rules, took down the signs so I took my family there to thank applebees fo doing the right thing.

(I recommend Cha Chas on Babcock near the medical center.)

[MarkDido]

In Florida, you can't carry in an establishment that serves alcohol for consumption on the premesis.

So picking up groceries at Winn-Dixie is OK even though the sell beer, but TGI Fridays, Applebees, Roadhouse etc. are all verboten

[pax]

I am closing this.

Applebees had a little attitude adjustment. Details in this thread, (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25779) which is where you may post further responses.

pax

Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to my conscience, above all liberties. -- John Milton