[alan]

Those noble Europeans, The French, this time aided by Brazil are at it again, or would "still" be a better term to use.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=32887

[Labinnac]

Link was a dead end.

Couldn't see nothin...

[alan]

Labinnac:

Text of article follows below.

Global tax on guns?

Brazil, France propose international levy
on arms sales to eliminate world hunger
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Posted: June 3, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Some world leaders at the G8 summit meeting are floating the idea of a global tax on arms sales, including – at French President Jacques Chirac's suggestion – a tax on gun purchases by individuals.

In a speech at the annual meeting of the "Group of Eight," or G8, Brazil's President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva pushed the arms-sales tax as a scheme whereby the world's wealthiest nations could fund efforts to eliminate world hunger, reports Bloomberg News.

The "Group of Eight" includes the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Japan and Russia.

Citing the Brazilian paper Folha de S. Paulo, Bloomberg reports Lula said such taxes would create "a global fund capable of giving food to those who are hungry and for creating the conditions to end the causes of hunger."

Calling the Brazilian leader's proposal "forceful and convincing," Chirac was reluctant to back a levy on weapons manufacturers in France and elsewhere, but suggested a global tax on firearms purchases made by individuals, said the report.

"Lula's idea is a simple one. People must be able to eat three times a day, and that is not the case today," Chirac added, according to Agence France-Presse. "This unacceptable situation must be debated."

Lula's speech containing the controversial proposal came after a meeting of leaders of 12 developing countries with the G-8. The Brazilian leader also suggested wealthy creditor nations could donate part of the debt payments they receive back into a global fund to relieve hunger.

Chirac later said the proposed tax on arms sales might serve as an alternative to the "Tobin tax," which has been floated previously as a possible global tax on currency transactions, according to a CNSNews.com report. "Perhaps a tax on the sale of weapons would be quite justified," Chirac said, according to CNSNews.com. "I'm very much in favor of studying this proposal. For the time being, that's all he's asked. There's lots of trade in weapons, and there's no doubt whatsoever that this trade attracts everyone's concern."

The very thought of a global tax on arms sales and possibly even on individual gun purchases is like walking on glass to many, who feel doubly threatened by a global tax and by another encroachment on private gun-ownership. Although many in public policy positions might downplay such concerns as overblown or even paranoid, global bodies do have a long, if rarely reported, history of trying to foster various sorts of international gun bans.

As far back as Sept. 24, 1999, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan called on members of the Security Council to "tackle one of the key challenges in preventing conflict in the next century" -- the proliferation and "easy availability" of small arms and light weapons, which Annan identified as the "primary tools of violence" in conflicts throughout the world. (Though the terms tend to be used interchangeably, the United Nations defines small arms as weapons designed for personal use, while light weapons are those designed for several persons operating as a crew. Together, they account for virtually every kind of firearm from revolvers, pistols, rifles, carbines and light machine guns all the way to heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank guns, mortars up to 100 mm caliber, and land mines.)

"Even in societies not beset by civil war, the easy availability of small arms has in many cases contributed to violence and political instability," said Annan at that time. "Controlling that easy availability is a prerequisite for a successful peace-building process."

Talk is one thing, but the Security Council then unanimously adopted the "Report of the Group of Governmental Experts on Small Arms." The 26-member group's various recommendations, two dozen in all, add up to a comprehensive program for worldwide gun control, and call for a total ban on private ownership of "assault rifles." A few of the recommendations:


***All small arms and light weapons which are not under legal civilian possession and which are not required for the purposes of national defense and internal security, should be collected and destroyed by States as expeditiously as possible.

***All States should determine in their national laws and regulations which arms are permitted for civilian possession and the conditions under which they can be used.

***All States should ensure that they have in place adequate laws, regulations and administrative procedures to exercise effective control over the legal possession of small arms and light weapons and over their transfer in order ... to prevent illicit trafficking.

***States are encouraged to integrate measures to control ammunition ... into prevention and reduction measures relating to small arms and light weapons.

***States should work toward ... appropriate national legislation, regulations and licensing requirements that define conditions under which firearms can be acquired, used and traded by private persons. In particular, they should consider the prohibition of unrestricted trade and private ownership of small arms and light weapons specifically designed for military purposes, such as automatic guns (e.g., assault rifles and machine-guns).
The report notes with approval countries like China that have acted measures to "strengthen legal or regulatory controls." China reported that some 300,000 "illicit" guns were seized and destroyed by officials acting in response to "new and more stringent national regulations that have come into force ... on the control on guns within the country and on arms exports."

France, too, in 1998 "acted to reinforce governmental control over military and civilian arms and ammunition, and introduced more rigorous measures regulating the holding of arms by civilians."

A State Department official, requesting anonymity, has previously told WND "the United Nations will not dictate domestic gun control for any nation. They can make recommendations and nations can act on those recommendations as they see fit, but we will never have the United Nations telling countries what they should do."

Questioned about specific recommendations, he replied, "Those are just recommendations -- and surprisingly, a number of countries, including the U.S., take them up on those recommendations. In fact, we support all 24 of those recommendations."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=32887

[clange]

So gun sales are going to be taxed to stop world hunger?!

Sounds like a joke (but i know deep down it isnt). :cuss:

[Ian]

Yes, well, good luck with that plan, ya bunch of socio-fascists.

[tiberius]

The concept of a global tax on anything seems to too silly to be taken seriously.

[Sir Galahad]

They ought to tax Kofi Annan $100 each time he says something stupid and use that to combat world hunger. In two years, world hunger will be replaced by daily world steak-and potatoes dinners for all in every corner of the globe.

[Solinvictus70]

Considering Brazil's comparatively poor economic situation and the fact that they are a MAJOR exporter of small arms, it seems suicidal. But of course, no Brazilian can legally purchase a Taurus to defend themselves against the roaming street gangs in Rio.:banghead:

[Skunkabilly]

How about the UN sell all their guns to private buyers and use that money to feed the hungry, etc.?

Damn right I want a G36! Test drive that Leopard!

[Fly320s]

In a speech at the annual meeting of the "Group of Eight," or G8, Brazil's President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva pushed the arms-sales tax as a scheme whereby the world's wealthiest nations could fund efforts to eliminate world hunger, reports Bloomberg News.

Robin Hood on a world scale?

The "Group of Eight" includes the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Japan and Russia.

So, why was Brazil involved?

[Ian]

Lula's speech containing the controversial proposal came after a meeting of leaders of 12 developing countries with the G-8. Brazil, along with 11 other nations, was discussing the matter with the G-8.

[alan]

There seems to be a funny thing about all these starving people from "poor" countries. Unless I'm very much mistaken, these countries often seem to be on the receiving end of a whole lot of aid, both money and material, yet there seldom seems to be any improvement in the lot of the ordinary people.

Might this be due to the fact that the "in crowd" seems to steal anything and everything that isn't welded down, their main concern seemingly being the feathering of their own nests, along with "their sisters, their cousins and their aunts", with the fate of Mr. and Mrs. Everyman coming in the proverbial "poor last", if they do that well?

So given the imposition of this "firearms tax" mentioned at the beginning of this discussion, one wonders as to exactly where the money would end up, as opposed to where it allegedly was supposed to go?

[sanchezero]

Considering that the only country in which any significant number of private citizens can buy 'small arms' and in which these citizens pay taxes is the US, it seems like they shoulda just come right out and asked for the money.

I'd gladly pay a tax on my guns if it would fund the taking of all elected officials around the world and cramming them into shipping containers to be sent to mainland China. Let them make shoes.

:D

[Skunkabilly]

Brazil, along with 11 other nations, was discussing the matter with the G-8.

I'll discuss that matter with a G36!!! :banghead: :cuss:

[Bigjake]

take a look at the other countrys of the world and their gun rights. this is just another BS case of "lets have dinner and hand americans the check" hell no. come try and collect that tax, see what you leave with.

[Don Gwinn]

They can try it. I won't pay it.

I put up with a lot of nonsense from the duly elected government of my nation, solely because it is the duly elected government of my nation.

These monkeys have no authority over me.

[El Tejon]

Don, unless the Senate, in its infinite wisdom, accepts the treaty, then they do.:D

[willyjixx]

idiots!!


the only cure to world hinger isnt feeding the hungry its controlling the populations bombs of the world! all that will happen is the now fed poor people will breed more. what happens next year.......more people to feed. what needs to be done is have birth control preached an forced. jobs made available an have an environment that can support the growth of the people.


you can give a man a fish he eats for a day
teach a man to fish he eats a lifetime.

[Skunkabilly]

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