[jsalcedo]

Well I got a response back from Frank DeAngelo president of
Applebees Texas.



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Dear Jsalcedo@satx.rr.com:

I understand you have e-mailed Mr. Gregg Spickler, the Director of Operations for the Applebee’s in San Antonio, concerning your handgun.

I told him I will personally respond.

I am pleased that you are a guest of Applebee’s in San Antonio and I hope your patronage will continue but it will not continue with you carrying a concealed weapon into one of our restaurants. We have a notice posted in all of our lobbies asking that this not occur.


Le me repeat, we want to keep your business, but only without your handgun.

I am enclosing the TX law for you to read.


30.06 Trespass by Holder of License to Carry Concealed Handgun

A license holder commits an offense if the license holder comes on the property without effective consent and receives notice that an entry by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden, or remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was forbidden and failed to depart.


Hopefully, you will continue to do business and patronize our Applebee’s in the future.

Sincerely,


Frank A. DeAngelo

President of Applejam of TX, Inc.
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They didn't respond to my original letter and the Applebees I went to had no 30.06 sign.

I didn't write them concerning my handgun it was about a stupid
sign "no weapons of any kind even with a permit.

I guess I can officially boycott Applebees and Applejam inc.

Lets spread the word.

Here is Mr, DeAngelos Email address if you would like to comment.
Please keep it civil.
frank@applejaminc.com

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Well, I'll join the boycott - although I only eat at Applebee's when the hog troughs are too full to get a spot...

[TheEgg]

Talk about an arrogant and condescending reply! Do you have this guys e-mail, so some of us can "converse" with this individual? I kind of like Applebee's, but if this is their attitude I will not go there again, and I will try to make sure that my friends do not either.

And does he not understand that no sign he posts on his doors has ANY legal force if it does not conform to the requirements in 30.06?:fire:

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the e-mail address at the bottom of your post the first time -- nevermind!

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

ok, that rips it. I'll continue to not eat Applebee's icky food. Blue cheese dressing is for salads, not as a steak topping anyway.

Besides, Saltgrass Steakhouse is beter and you don't have to wade through crowds of fake-id holders at the bar.

Let's get the word out on Applebees and let folks know they don't care about us.

Regards,
Rabbit.

[czhead]

Let's get it on!!!

[H Romberg]

Is this a policy for all of Appleby's? It'd be interesting to see if the corporation backs the Texas interpretation.

[jsalcedo]

I contacted National Applebees and they sent me a Texas response. So if they really wanted to tell me the National corporate policy they could have at that time.

[CZ-75]

I haven't eaten in one for 5 (?) years.

I won't be eating there anytime soon and this is all the more reason.

[Darrin]

I just fired off an email. I reference you, Jesse, as a friend of mine in Texas who expressed your concerns to me. I then formed my question asking about Tennessee resturants and concealed carry.

I wonder if I'll be blessed with a response....... :evil:


I like Ruby Tuesday better, anyway. :D

[Greg L]

The irony is that the manager of a local Applebees was murdered at the store just a couple of weeks ago. I don't know if a CCW would have helped him out (if he was allowed to carry one by store policy) but it couldn't have hurt him any worse.

I guess they will lose my once a year at most business too :D .

Greg

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

wordy but informative.


what I said:

Mr. Frank A. DeAngelo

Greetings:

Pursuant to discovery that Applebees of Texas is a business environment hostile to Texas residents of upstanding moral character who are legally licensed by the State of Texas to carry concealed handguns in a lawful and responsible manner and

Whereas Applebees Restaurants, in creating an environment hostile to legally licensed Texas Concealed Handgun Licenses do not wish to have said persons legally carry on their premises without posting the required notices vis-a-vis:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/signposting.htm

Neither myself as a responsible Texas Concealed Handgun License holder nor my family members shall do business with Applebees of Texas from this day forward as long as this contradictory policy is in place.

Sir, you have lost my good will as a patron.

Regards,
Sylvilagus Aquaticus
Dallas, Texas.
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PROHIBITING HANDGUNS IN A BUSINESS OR OTHER ENTITY

In order to provide notice that entry on property by a license holder with a concealed handgun is forbidden, Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(A) requires that a written communication contain the following language:

"PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."

"CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO."


Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) further states that a sign must meet the following requirements:

includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;

appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and

is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

Please note that while the language provided above may be downloaded for convenience, it does not meet the requirements of Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) and may not be used as a sign.


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You can contact the Concealed Handgun Licensing Section at :

Concealed Handgun Licensing Section
Texas Department of Public Safety
P O Box 4143
Austin, Texas 78765-4143
Phone: (512) 424-7293 or (512) 424-7294
Helpline: (800) 224-5744


references and citations:


http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/go/go0041100.html#go167.411.171

§ 411.204. Notice Required on Certain Premises

(a) A business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, and that derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the business premises a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c).

(b) A hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the hospital or nursing home, as appropriate, a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c) other than the requirement that the sign include on its face the number "51".

(c) The sign required under Subsections (a) and (b) must give notice in both English and Spanish that it is unlawful for a person licensed under this subchapter to carry a handgun on the premises. The sign must appear in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height and must include on its face the number "51" printed in solid red at least five inches in height. The sign shall be displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

(d) A business that has a permit or license issued under the Alcoholic Beverage Code and that is not required to display a sign under this section may be required to display a sign under Section 11.041 or 61.11, Alcoholic Beverage Code.

(e) This section does not apply to a business that has a food and beverage certificate issued under the Alcoholic Beverage Code.

Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, § 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997.
Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, § 9.16(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999; Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 523, § 1, eff. June 18, 1999.


and
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http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pub/plsql/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=37&pt=1&ch=6&rl=5

Texas Administrative Code


TITLE 37 PUBLIC SAFETY AND CORRECTIONS
PART 1 TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
CHAPTER 6 LICENSE TO CARRY HANDGUNS
SUBCHAPTER A GENERAL PROVISIONS
RULE §6.5 Notice Optional on Other Premises

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(a) Notice. A public or private employer may prohibit persons who are licensed to carry from carrying a concealed handgun on the premises of the business.

(b) Text. A sign prohibiting license holders from carrying a concealed handgun must comply with the requirements of Texas Penal Code, 30.06 ("Trespass by Holder of License to Carry Concealed Handgun").


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Source Note: The provisions of this §6.5 adopted to be effective January 8, 1996, 20 TexReg 11128; amended to be effective August 19, 1999, 24 TexReg 6307


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and:

http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pub/plsql/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=37&pt=1&ch=6&rl=44

Texas Administrative Code

TITLE 37 PUBLIC SAFETY AND CORRECTIONS
PART 1 TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
CHAPTER 6 LICENSE TO CARRY HANDGUNS
SUBCHAPTER D TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS ON LICENSE HOLDERS
RULE §6.44 Places Prohibited: Felony Violations

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A license holder may not carry a handgun on or about the license holder's person under authority of the Act in the following places:

(1) On the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Alcoholic Beverage Code, Chapters 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, if the business derives 51% or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption. Posting is required by the Act, but an establishment's failure to post is not a statutory defense to the license holder. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.035.

(2) On the premises of a correctional facility. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.035.

(3) On the physical premises of a school, an educational institution, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or an educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.03.

(4) On the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.03.

(5) In any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.03.

(6) On the premises of a racetrack. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.03.

(7) Into a secured area of an airport. No posting is required by the Act. Violation is a third degree felony under Texas Penal Code, §46.03.


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Source Note: The provisions of this §6.44 adopted to be effective January 8, 1996, 20 TexReg 11128; amended to be effective August 19, 1999, 24 TexReg 6308

and:
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[firestar]

I live in Indiana and I never saw a sign like this. It doesn't matter because if they are doing this to you guys in Texas, that is enough reason for me to never eat there again!

Why do these companies think they can start pushing us around? They get to be a big successful chain and then they start telling people that they can't carry guns and then all of a sudden, they go under.:D Remeber K-Mart?:p

I don't really care if the owners of the company are anti-gun so long as they don't use the company to futher their efforts. If I went to K-mart to buy a pair of tube sock, I don't think that I should be unwittingly supporting that anti-gunners. I think it is an abuse of power. It is like Michael Moore useing his popularity as a director to further his polictical opinions. Or Shakira doing the same. We don't watch their movies and buy their records because we agree with their politics. Be a frigging activist if you want to make a political statment and leave the entertainment to the entertainers.

I will be e-mailing this joker. I hope you don't mind if I reference you also. I think it would be a good idea if everyone used your name in their message. It would give the guy something to think about next time.

[cola8d8]

That sucks... I do not eat at them (and wont) but there is one in our town. College Station, TX. Letter from me also!

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

a corrolary:

if Mr. DeAngelo is going to quote the law to someone, he should at least quote it correctly and completely.

a favorite quote of mine:
Don't jack with me, kid...I'm a LAWYER!

Robin Williams, as 'Peter Pan' in the movie "Hook".



Regards,
Rabbit.

[Greg L]

Is Applebees a publicly traded company? It might be time to short the stock and use the money that you make to buy a nice carry gun. A picture of which you can then send to Mr. DeAngelo (if he is still employed there then) and explain how his policy drove the stock price down and how you spent the profit from his misfortune :evil: .

Greg

edit: Found it - APPB on the NASDAQ

[bogie]

Is there a "national" e-mail address, or just the guy from Texas?

[280PLUS]

they can have my business when the pry my gun out of my cold, stiff hands...

:D

oooo, greg thats evil...

i love it

[popbang]

sent an e-mail also. Thanks for the heads up on their policy.

[Pendragon]

If their sign does not comply with 30.06, just CCW anyway and - keep it CONCEALED.

Why stress so much?

[Dave R]

OK, Applebee's boycott is on for me.

The only national high-ranking e-mail address I could find on their website is:

c.diraimo@applebees.com

Head of investor relations. I will get an email off to him, and spread this to local friends and firearms organizations.

[firestar]

Just sent off an e-mail expainly my feelings on the matter and that I will not be eating at Applebee's until this is fixed. I'll let you know if I get a response.

[jsalcedo]

Pendragon,

I won't patronize an anti-gun establishment. By letting the people in charge know how we feel about their policies
there is a possibility for change.

The President of Applebees thinks there are 30.06 compliant prohibiting licensed carry and maybe some of his stores do have
those signs .

[bogie]

Methinx that the fellow's e-mail is gonna be sorta full for a while...

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Until you change your policy regarding legally armed customers, I will not be patronizing Applebees restaurants. You _do_ realize, of course, that hundreds of thousands (millions nationwide) of your potential customers who have gone to the trouble of obtaining a concealed carry license are NOT criminals, right? Or are you just assuming that we're gangsters? Do Lloyd Hill or David Goebel know that you're treating a VERY large block of your customers like this?

And since I'm your stereotypical bachelor from hell, I eat out a LOT.

[pytron]

I have heard that Applebee's restaurants are prohibiting the carrying of licensed concealed handguns on the premises.

I hope that this is not true. I had hoped to visit the new Bellingham Applebee's after my favorable experience in Arizona. However I will have to boycott your restaurant on principle if it is true. While I appreciate your business's right to disarm concealed pistol carriers, I think it is bad business to mix politics and food.

I eagerly await your response.

Good day,
-Pytron

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As a side note, I believe that letting businesses know that you care about their politics is a good thing. It puts them on notice that people care about their prominent display of politics. It also shows that gun-owners are a significant population WHO CARE about what businesses do.

[blades67]

Well, I guess the sheeple will have to keep them in business as I won't.:barf:

[buzz_knox]

Unfortunately, I can't carry in Applebee's here anyway as TN law prohibits carrying where alcohol is served for consumption. But, I don't think I'll be going there for a while anyway, as a show of support.

[P95Carry]

Hmmmm ...... well, my local Applebees has no signs (wouldn't of course be a 30.06 anyways!) ..... and on the rare occasions I eat there (consistently good steaks i have to say) .. I carry... I don't drink there and can legally carry despite there being alcoholic beverages available.

If this is their attitude however .... then it sux ... and will still influence my decisions as to whether I go there again.

As ever .. these punitive restrictions make NO sense .... in fact they actually make things MORE dangerous, not less .... cos as we know, any slimeball intent on bad deeds will carry into these places anyways .... and so then who the hell will there be in there able to protect themselves or others.

As ever .. it's not about guns .... it's about control - and abuse of rights.

[Darrin]

TN law prohibits carrying where alcohol is served for consumption Damn, forgot about that.

[braindead0]

I emailed simply asking if this was a national or regional policy, here's the response:

This is an Applejam policy in San Antonio. We are the Applebee's franchise for that area. I'm not sure of any of the others, but I believe they are similar to ours.

Tell your friend he or she can call me to discuss@770-923-6001 ext.104


Hmm, did we light a fire under his backside or what???:evil:

[Carlos Cabeza]

Dang it ! I useta like takin' the family to Applebee's too !
Guess they'll hafta go the way of Black eyed Pea.............................:fire:

[braindead0]

You could always call.....perhaps they'd make an exception...

[Sam Adams]

Here's what I sent to good old Frankie:

Dear Mr. DeAngelo:

I and my family have gladly patronized Applebee's for years here in Texas, since we enjoy both your food and the friendly atmosphere. I am also a holder of a Concealed Handgun License (CHL). It has recently come to my attention that all of your restaurants have posted notices that patrons LEGALLY carrying concealed handguns are not allowed on the premises.

Until you change your policy regarding legally armed customers, neither I nor any member of my family will be patronizing Applebees restaurants.
You should understand that over 225,000 Texans, all potential customers, have gone to the trouble of obtaining a CHL (including both a state and FBI background check and a training course) and are NOT
criminals. Most of them have families, and all of them have friends. Do you merely assume that we are gun-toting members of some drug gang? Or maybe you view us all as a bunch of beer-swilling, irresponsible rednecks with guns? It is insulting, to say the least, to live with such
implications, and I will not continue to reward Applebee's with my patronage until your corporate policy changes.

A word of warning: Millions of people nationwide have the legal authority to carry handguns - do you want to lose all of these potential customers to your competition? Do you superiors know that you're treating a VERY large block of your customers like this? I hope that you are aware that there is now a move to publicize your policy among various gun-related Internet boards - you are about to lose a LOT of business due to a BOYCOTT. Ask K-Mart's executives how they liked being boycotted by gun owners (those that are still employed, that is)
___________________________

How do you like that last line? Frankie may be spending some quality time in the corporate latrine when sales start failing to meet targets.

I am posting this on Free Republic. I urge all of you to post it to other gun-related boards - I can't stand anti-gun bigotry, especially from businesses that want my money. Hit them where it hurts!

[Country Boy]

I sent a reply as well. Maybe it'll help, maybe not, but I certainly feel better.

Link to original thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25373

[jsalcedo]

Thanks for the support, I send letters all the time but I guess a nerve was hit in this instance.

One of two things will happen.

They will realize money is the issue and change policy.

They will retain their corporate bigotry, dig their heels in
and take the loss in business.

In this economy it does not pay to alienate your customers.

[P95Carry]

In this economy it does not pay to alienate your customers My thinking entirely .... they need to look at some figures and do the math .... it should aid clearer thought and common sense.

What ---------- did I say .. ''common sense''?? .... forgot ..... that is not within liberal's vocabulary. Still, maybe they just might wake up.

[cordex]

Send the chap an email of my own.

Nice and polite now, folks. Nice and polite, but give 'em a cheap shot to the wallet.

[bogie]

Remember that the fellow probably means well. He just doesn't understand that _nice_ people own guns. He's probably been watching way too much television, and thinks that the only folks who carry guns are crooks.

[No4Mk1]

Hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty of passing this information on to the TSRA so they can publish it on their 30.06 page. (http://www.tsra.com/BanCHL.htm)

Once they update the page I plan to drop Mr. DeAngelo a note letting him know that he is now on that list as well....

[Goet]

Email sent as well. Copied that other email addy as well.

I wonder how I can tell UT Applebee's management that they are losing business because of some dillweed in TX.

[benewton]

I/we seldom eat out: she cooks well and eating isn't much beyond a necessity for me, but my weapon goes on with my pants, and I do try to honor the wishes of business owners.

So, I wrote my letter to those clowns.

As noted, the sheeple will have to support them.

[MacPelto]

Email sent!

[LiquidTension]

I will continue to go to Crapplebees.


One of my best friends is a bartender there and we go in every Saturday night to drink. The managers all know and like us and we drink cheap. We get charged for one beer and get free refills :D My buddy (or the other cool bartender) gets a $5 tip from each of us. So, crapplebees gets money for one drink each, but we usually drink at LEAST 3 or 4 each. These are the 22oz glasses, not those puny pint glasses, which are for pansies :neener: I think we cost the company money every time we go in there!

According to SC law, I can't carry in there anyway. Food isn't that great, but you can't beat that deal on beer.

[GSB]

I'll scratch Applebees from my list. Even if it weren't for the policy, their reply indicates a very condescending view of the customer.

[Erik]

Well I'm not in Texas, but I'll avoid the chain in Colorado on principle.

Anyone come up with a better national level email yet, by the way?

[MrKandiyohi]

This isn't an e-mail, but it is an Applebees customer online form you can fill out.

http://www.applebees.com/contactus.html

Select the online form link on that page.

Since Minnesota went to shall-issue last week, I've been looking for signs banning CCW. I haven't checked the local Applebees, but I haven't heard of any local business banning firearms. I might stop by and check it out.

[cordex]

Lloyd Hill President, Chairman and CEO
4551 W.107th St. Suite 100
Overland Park, KS 66207
913-967-4000

[Mike Irwin]

This needs to IMMEDIATELY go to American Rifleman magazine for inclusion in the American Rifleman.

I'm going to head over to the local Applebee's this evening to see if they have such a sign.

[Dan from MI]

Well, they won't be getting my business anymore unless the national chain said is specifically not a policy of theirs.

[DontShootMe]

Good call on notifying the NRA - They can escalate this exponentially.

[DigMe]

I always thought their food sucked anyway!

brad cook

[Dave R]

Here's the e-mail I sent to c.diraimo@applebees.com, head of Investor Relations. Highest e-mail address I could find on their site.

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As head of Investor Relations for Applebee's, I am requesting that you forward this information to the appropriate company officers. And please let me know if the policy referred to below is a national policy, or just a local Texas policy.

It appears the President of Applebee's in Texas has adopted an anti-2nd Amendment policy. He is, by choice, denying a legal right to over 225,000 holders of Concealed Weapons Permits in Texas. Holders of Concealed Weapons Permits have passed background checks by the FBI and do not represent a threat to Applebee's customers. On the contrary, they represent a deterrent to crime.

Here is a quote from Frank A. DeAngelo's e-mail to a customer who questioned the policy.

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".....I am pleased that you are a guest of Applebee’s in San Antonio and I hope your patronage will continue but it will not continue with you carrying a concealed weapon into one of our restaurants. We have a notice posted in all of our lobbies asking that this not occur.


Let me repeat, we want to keep your business, but only without your handgun......

Sincerely,


Frank A. DeAngelo

President of Applejam of TX, Inc.
frank@applejaminc.com

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This information has been posted on several firearms discussion groups on the Internet and has the potential to cause ill-will among up to several million holders of Concealed Weapons Permits nationwide.

Here is an example from one Firearms Forum: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25505

I am an Idaho resident, and plan to Boycott the Boise Applebee's until I hear that this is not a nationwide policy.

Thank you.

Name
Address
Phone Number

[morganm01]

Someone should email this guy about the Kileen incident and the woman whose handgun was safely secfured in her car while 20+ people were shot dead

[CZ-75]

I always thought their food sucked anyway!


That's why I don't go there anymore and never did go there much. The anti-CCW/2nd thing is just more fuel on the fire.

[glirette]

So the sign they have posted is not a 30.06 sign is that correct?

[cordex]

So the sign they have posted is not a 30.06 sign is that correct?
Does it matter? Been said before, but even if you could technically get away with it and be within the law, would you want to give your $$$ to someone who is against your carrying a gun?

[pytron]

And guess the president's e-mail address. Name is "Lloyd L. Hill". Probable email address: l.hill@applebees.com or lloyd.hill@applebees.com based on the other e-mail addresses given on the site. Just my guess though. Let us know if they work or bounce.

-Pytron

[Bowlcut]

Well guess theres another place I will not be giving my money to. You know what...they may be doing all they can to infring on our rights...but they are helping keep money in my pocket :)

I went in there saturday cause my friend picked the place....now i feel all dirty. Not to mention the place had seemed to have went down hill from the last time i was in one. wasnt worth they money to say the least. oh well much better resturants or home cooking for me to eat anyway.

[Sportcat]

I'm in the same boat as LiquidTension... no CCW anywhere in South Carolina that serves alochol.

[Sisco]

We don't even have CCW in Kansas, but I'll stay away from them too. Any place that has to put that many spices on a steak to make it taste good isn't worth going to anyway!
My e-mail has been sent.

[Jason Demond]

I wonder what response I will get, when they see Reverend by my name.:D

[Brian Maffei]

Their loss. :neener:

Won't spend another dime there, too many alternatives available.

[cool45auto]

What a load of bull:cuss: ! I'll get an email on the way right away, too. There's plenty other places to eat around here.

[Shalako]

So if they support anti-2nd Ammendment bigotry, they may also support HCI, Brady Campaign, etc. This means one of my very own dollars could be conveyed through them to --> a Mr. Tom Diaz...:barf:

Forget about it, no more Applebees for mees.

[George Hill]

I just read your response to Jsalcedo@satx.rr.com regarding lawful concealed carry permit holders.
I’m taking my wife out to dinner tonight. We had both enjoyed your outfit in the past. However tonight we are going to go someplace else.
Someplace where we don’t have to check the Constitution at the door.

I’m very disappointed,
George Hill


We are actually going out Friday Night, but he doesn't need to know that.

[swifter]

No sweat on the boycott...
I ate at an Applebee's once...

I judge restaurants on three criteria:
Quality of food.
Quality of service.
Ambience.

Applebee's gets the
yaark award on all::barf: :barf: :barf:

Nor do I give 2 hoots what they want!:what:
Tom:neener:

[glirette]

Does it matter? Been said before, but even if you could technically get away with it and be within the law, would you want to give your $$$ to someone who is against your carrying a gun?

It matters because I am going to put it on my web site and want to put the correct info up there, if you look at my site you will see that I have many other 30.06 sign info posted.

[P95Carry]

glirette - bit off topic but ........

Your ''state_info.htm'' page - useful of course .... not trying to carp but ... hopefully constructive criticism ..... i work on web design and i gotta say .... that page is WAY too heavy on images. Those state ''bubbles'' .... tho only 3k each . represent 150k burden ... and being rollovers that can be doubled ..... plus the other small 6k pics ... 3 i think. So you have a 3ook plus page!!

I am on dial up .. partly choice thru my work (for analyzing) part necessity ....

I would suggest a drop down box with the states list ... not as pretty but way quicker. Don't take this wrong way ... not meant to be other than constructive crit.:)

[Wild Bill]

Emails sent.

Can't carry in lisenced establishments here in SC anyway (at least not yet); but my money goes with my rights as much as possible. Applebees won't get any more of it until they change their tune.

[Sberk1]

Mr. DeAngelos,

I saw your email regarding licensed citizens carry concealed carry in your restaurants. I cannot carry in my state, but I support law abiding citizen carrying in the places I frequent. For me, it is a safety issue. I want the "good guys" to have concealed pistols. It discourages bad guys from coming to Applebee's while I'm there. The bad guys don't care about any laws (hence, they are criminals) Publicly declaring your restaurants a gun free area, only encourages armed confrontations, in my opinion.

Respectfully, I ask that you reconsider your position. In there mean time, I will be avoiding Applebee restaurants, as I avoid banks, when they have armored car deliveries, for the same reasons. Thank you.

[Ras]

I went to the Applebee's on Beltline road in Richardson, TX this evening. The only sign they had was a properly posted TABC unlicenced possession sign. <p>
So I entered and had a wonderful dinner. I highly recommend the fajitas and sizzling apple pie. <p>
After dinner I took a moment to talk to that restaurant's general manager, Steve Friday. He does not know anything about a 'no guns' policy and is, in fact, pro RKBA himself. He has no problems with CHLs carrying concealed in his store. <p>
May I suggest that those of you in Dallas visit patronize his store and thank him for his support.

[Stay Low]

Count me in ladies and gents. Just emailed Frankie....I'll eat PBJ before I get my baby back ribs from him.

[Mako25]

Here's the email i fired off earlier today...


Dear Sir,
It has come to my attention that your company does not support my right to protect myself and my family whilest dining in your restaurant. My family and I have enjoyed many meals in the past at Applebee's, however I will not continue to support your business if you and your company will not support it's patron's right to self-defense. Many of your restaurants are located in mall parking lots which are continually used as bases of operations for carjackers and kidnappers. I feel that I would be remiss in my duty as a husband and parent to allow you to dictate my family's safety. The hard working police in our communities are undermaned and can not be everywhere. This is the main reason I have choosen to legally carry a concealed weapon. I sincerly hope you reconsider your policy of alienating your patrons. However, until you do, my family and I will look elsewhere for our dining pleasure.

[12.7x99mm]

Applebee's is out for me. Ill let them know.

They wont be seeing any of my money for the rest of my life. Regardless if another store is pro RKBA or not.

[sm]

AR statute is about to change where one may CCW where alcohol is served. Exception: proper signage.

I've just called the local one, talked to mgr informed him my e-mail sent .

I made a point that even if CCW is allowed locally, I will boycott and others will be advised of same. Matter of principal, my brethern can't carry, therefore I can't support Applebees.

Ask Walmart about removing signage. Ask K mart and what happens when Pro-gun persons are not supported.

h e he he:p

[glirette]

P95Carry - This is good feedback thanks, I know the site kind of sucks in many respects. I have not had a chance to work on it much in the past several months but this is great feedback thanks!

[Standing Wolf]

Applebee's can do without my dollars: I don't do business with anti-Second Amendment bigots.

[WAGCEVP]

I guess I don't eat at applebees anymore either

[cobb]

E-mail sent.

[Dan from MI]

Found this post on Free Republic.

I just called the Applebees here where I go (in Michigan and I was just there today). I was told by the manager that some restaurants are company owned and some are franchised. He told me all Applebees in Michigan are company owned and that, and I quote, "You can bring your gun in here any time you want."


121 posted on 06/04/2003 8:27 PM EDT by ShadowDancer
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[nemesis]

Two e-mails sent and Applebee's off the approved list. Will deter all the other folks that I can.

Don't mess with Texas.

[Trebor]

Dan from Mich,

Glad Applebee's in our state don't have a problem with CCW.

Keep in mind though, we still can't go there until AFTER July 1st when the law changes to allow CCW in establishments that serve alcohol, as long as they aren't actually bars.

Trebor (in Michigan)

[firestar]

I am laughing my a$$ off at Applebee's now! They are going to learn a harsh lesson from this.:evil: The thing is, we gun owners are not asking for any special treatment or for anything to be given to us for free, all we want is to be left alone. We have a right to own guns but just not carry them in Applebee's.:neener:

[rock jock]

Before we start punishing franchise owners that support CCW in their restaurants, we should find out if this policy is limited to Saint Tony's.

[Stetson_CO]

I don't eat at Applebees on any regular occasion but now I won't at all. We were actually going to go there Friday night, about 15 of us, now we wil go elsewhere.

Thanks for the heads up on this.


c):{

[Skirmisher]

Here in Michigan, starting July 1st. we will be able to carry into returants that serve liqour. It will interesting to find out how many will post no carry signs. It always amazes me that they don't want legal carry on their premises but do absolutely nothing about the illegal carry-those criminals who want to do harm!

[MacPelto]

Before we start punishing franchise owners that support CCW in their restaurants, we should find out if this policy is limited to Saint Tony's.

This is a good reason to send an email to the corporate address too. If you tell them that you won't eat at Applebutt's anywhere because of one manager's decision, the corporate office will climb up their rear-end in a heartbeat. Generally speaking, one company will own the rights to all the franchises in a certain area (in this case, applejam inc. in SA), that will then answer to the corporate HQ. If HQ gets complaints from other markets about these guys, things will happen.

Keep writing!

[spacemanspiff]

i think i've been to applebees maybe 3 or 4 times. no big loss if i never go there again, however considering that ours is locally owned (by a former executive of McD's who lost that position because he violated his contract by owning/managing other restaurant chains, and went bankrupt, and has driven each restaurant he has owned into the ground) they probably dont have such a sign. in fact, the only places i have seen that address weapons/firearms, are major office buildings, and cityowned property.


as a side note, it humors me that such signs show usually a revolver, good thing i carry an autoloader! :D

[Thumper]

My response:

Mr. DeAngelo,
I just read your unfortunate response to jalcedo@satx.rr.com regarding lawful CHL holders carrying handguns in your restaurants. Please be aware that your comments are up for display on multiple websites frequented by politically active gunowners. National Rifleman, a national publication of the NRA, has also been alerted to your company's bias against lawful gunowners.

In case you were unaware, CHL legislation in Texas received a large boost after the Luby's incident, during which lawful gunowners were effectively disarmed. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, Mr. DeAngelo, criminals largely disregard your sign. It only effects those of us who wish to comply with the law.

As I'm sure you realize by now, your statements have prompted a national boycott of the establishment you represent. I've eaten at Applebee's many times (my girlfriend likes your salads), but, until you retract your comments, I won't be eating there again. I'll encourage my gun owning friends to avoid Applebee's also.

Awaiting your response...

A former customer,
(Thumper)
Houston, Tx.

Not a very good response, I'll admit, but his smarmy reply to jalcedo pissed me off.

Everyone CC: c.diraimo@applebees.com in your emails also...I don't know if he's the right guy, but filling his inbox will get us to the right folks.

[Ian Sean]

Never had a good meal there anyway, no loss.

I find more and more that all the chains stink anyway, I'll stick to the locals trying to scratch out a living.

[waynzwld]

I'll boycot them also. When will these people ever learn?

[Alan Fud]

I assume that Mr. DeAngelo is aware that by limiting an individual's ability to defend themselves on their property, they automatically assume a higher responsibility to secure everyone's safety. If a shooting were to take place in their establishment and an innocent patron was injured or killed as a result, their company would be financially liable with regards to medical bills, lost wages, etc.; because they restricted someone's ability to defend themselves and failed to provide adequate protection for them in return.

[glirette]

I assume that Mr. DeAngelo is aware that by limiting an individual's ability to defend themselves on their property, they automatically assume a higher responsibility to secure everyone's safety. If a shooting were to take place in their establishment and an innocent patron was injured or killed as a result, their company would be financially liable with regards to medical bills, lost wages, etc.; because they restricted someone's ability to defend themselves and failed to provide adequate protection for them in return.

Does case law exist to support this statement? I have head lawyers say that this is not true but would love to see documentation to support this statement.

[Ebbtide]

Sent:

Dear Sir,

It is with disappointment I hear your Applebees' does not allow customers or staff to exercise their rights to carry a concealed firearm for protection.

Although I do not live in Texas I will begin a personal boycott of Applebee's Restaurants in my area (Ohio) and despite my modest gains in recent years, I have also instructed my Financial Planner to sell off any remaining shares of individual stocks and shares held thru mutual funds.

Sincerely,

ehenz

[Alan Fud]

... Does case law exist to support this statement? I have head lawyers say that this is not true but would love to see documentation to support this statement. ... My law professor (no I'm not a lawyer but do have an MBA and was required to take several business law classes) was pick-pocketed while standing in line to purchase tickets for his return flight home.

No Wallet = no money = no ticket back home.

He was forced to stay an extra day until family members arrange for his return flight.

He sued for all of the extra expenses he had to lay out and he won on the grounds that they failed to provide adequate protection. There may be other / better examples, but this is the one that I am familiar with.

[TRIDENT]

No more Applebees for me and my family either. Thanks for the heads up.

[MacPelto]

Not a very good response, I'll admit, but his smarmy reply to jalcedo pissed me off.

Not so! I thought it a very good response...better than mine. Not only did you give him a chance to recant, you brought up the Luby's incident! A stroke of genius, if you as me. I wish that I had thought of it.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Here is an excellent letter that was written to Cinemark Theaters and caused them to reevaluate their policies. With a little tweaking it makes the basis for a good "Why are you barring concealed carry letter" just about anywhere:

"While you are taking note of specification of the law, I would ask you to take the following factors into consideration before finalizing your decision. Carrying a concealed handgun onto private property is legal and authorized by the Texas Legislature so that Concealed Handgun License (CHL) holders may protect themselves from danger. If you prohibit CHL holders from carrying a handgun while on your business premises, you will be rendering useless a lawful act on the part of such persons. Additionally, you will render them unable to protect themselves when the legislature has provided a means for their own self protection.

Common sense indicates that you are assuming the risk of providing for the personal protection of such persons while on your property. An example of reasonable steps that you might take to provide for the personal protection of CHL holders who are disarmed while on your premises is to hire round the clock security guards to provide armed protection in your place of business and in the parking area.

It is reasonably foreseeable that posting signs indicating that CHL holders may not carry a handgun on or about their person while on your premises would indicate to the criminal element that the persons inside the theater are disarmed, and, thereby, make your business premises a target for violent criminal activity. Certainly, it would make it more of a target than a business that posts no sign at all, leaving the criminal element uncertain as to whether or not CHL holders are armed on the premises. This was the intent of the legislature, as the handgun is required to be concealed. The purpose of the statute is to create a tremendous deterrent effect throughout society in that the criminal element will not know who has chosen to exercise their lawful right of self-defense. By creating a zone where you advertise that patrons on your premises are not armed, you are holding yourself out to the public as a place where the public safety desires as expressed by the legislature are void and prohibited, and you give the criminal element a reason to believe that your premises are vulnerable to crime.

Recently, Taco Bell was assessed eight million dollars in damages for a violent assault that took place on its property for failing to protect the persons at the Taco Bell. The law is fairly clear on this subject in Texas. "Generally, an ordinary business owner or operator, as opposed to a proprietor of a restaurant, inn, or similar establishment, is under a duty to exercise reasonable care for the safety of his or her invitees. Garner v. McGinty, 771 S.W.2d 242, 246(Tex. Civ. App.--Austin 1989, no writ). "A business invitor owes a duty to his business invitees to take reasonable steps to protect them from intentional injuries caused by third parties if he knows or has reason to know, from what he has observed or from past experience, that criminal acts are likely to occur, either generally or at some particular time." Id. at 246: Castillo v. Sears, Roebuck & Co.,663 S.W.2d 60,66 (Tex.Civ.App.--San Antonio 1983, writ ref'd n.r.e.)("there is no duty upon the owner of operators of a shopping center...or upon merchants and shopkeepers generally, whose mode of operation of their premises does not attract or provide a climate for crime, to guard against criminal acts of a third party, unless they know...that acts are occurring or are about to occur on the premises that pose imminent probability of harm to an invitee: whereupon a duty of reasonable care to protect against such act arises.") Thus, a plaintiff in a case against an ordinary business owner or operator will have to demonstrate that the business owner or operator knew or had reason to know that criminal acts were likely to occur in order to establish that the business owner or operator had a duty to take reasonable steps to protect invitees from injuries caused by third parties. By contrast, the duty of a proprietor of a restaurant, inn, or similar establishment generally includes the duty to exercise reasonable care to protect patrons from assaults of third persons while on the premises. Eastep v. Jack-in-the-Box, Inc., 546 S.W.2d 116(Tex.Civ.App.--Houston{14th Dist.} 1977, writ ref'd n.r.e.)

The Attorney General's office of Texas has noted the following on this issue: "Once a duty to protect patrons from the intentional acts of third parties is established, whether a business owner or operator will be held liable for injuries to customers inflicted by third person appears to depend in great part upon the foreseeability of the assault and whether the business owner or operator took reasonable measures to prevent the assault."

In your previous form letter you state “In our fourteen year history, we have … only experienced a few criminal assaults upon customers.” From gathering data from police crime statistic reports, it seems this is untrue. According to the reports, it is a few criminal assaults per year per theater. When you do the math, that’s a lot more than “a few.” Why this is acceptable to you, I have no idea.

I personally will not patronize your business if it prohibits CHL holders from carrying their handguns concealed on their persons while on your premises for three reasons:

(1) You discriminate against individuals who merely take advantage of a lawful means of protecting themselves;

(2) You have created a place where there is a higher likelihood of criminal activity; and

(3) The absence of state certified and qualified citizens who lawfully carry a handgun means that I will be less safe than if I were in a similarly situated place of business that did not prohibit CHL holders from being personally armed on the premises;

If you persist in this policy, I will advise the members of my family and all of my friends not to patronize your place of business and we will take our business to a competitor. Even a small price increase for the same goods is worth the personal safety of myself, my friends, and my family in these troubled times.

Many businesses have considered putting up signs prohibiting otherwise lawfully carried handguns to be prohibited from the premises and have changed their policy to allowing CHL holders to be armed on the premises.

Moreover, I understand that the attorneys in Texas have concluded after a thoughtful and extensive review of all the factors involved that allowing CHL holders on the premises armed does not increase liability in any way as it is a legislatively authorized and protected activity. This is so because the individuals involved have had a background check, careful screening, state qualification and certification of knowledge of the penal code, safety procedures and have passed a handgun proficiency examination.

I hope that you will consider the above factors carefully, and in the end, come to the right decision and allow CHL holders to patronize your business while exercising their legislatively authorized right to their own self-protection. Alternatively if you choose to deny the legislatively granted right for people to protect themselves while on your premises, you have legally assumed the risk of providing for the safety of your patrons and have made a decision to ban lawful carrying of handguns on your business premises after understanding all of the factors involved.

[ball3006]

Texas State Rifle Assoc. on this. I am sure they will follow up...chris3

[bogie]

You know, someone needs to snailmail the fellow a CORRECT 30.06 sign, with the words "Criminals will, of course, ignore this, so our customers are fair game!" at the bottom.

[Jason Demond]

Anyone get a reply yet?

[JDSlack]

Here is a copy of an e-mail I just posted to the arrogant jerk at Applebees:

Dear Sir:

I have seen a copy of a letter you sent to Mr. J. Salcedo, concerning your firm's policy of not allowing persons to dine in your restaurants while carrying concealed firearms. You are, of course, within your rights to enact such a policy. I am also within my rights to refuse to patronize any Applebee's restaurant. I realize you are responsible for Applebee's restaurants in Texas, but I must assume this is the policy of all restaurant's in the chain.

I will make sure that your policy is well publicized here in South Florida. I would not want anyone to be embarrassed by being ejected from one of your establishments.

Thank you for your time, and no reply is necessary.

James Slack

[Bainx]

Applebees is now dogmeat.

Welcome aboard Ras!:D

[aerod1]

Yep, I sent off a polite but firm email to Old Frank the Skank.

Jim Hall

[WAGCEVP]

Mr. De Angelo,
Just wanted you to know that you and you antigun stance has just lost
Applebbe's a LOT of bussiness. A boycott has begun by gunowners (and there
are a lot of us out here) and believe me when I say the word about Applebees
antigun stance IS spreading very rapidly!
We hope and pray that for the safety of your remaining customers that
CRIMINALS obey your anti gun signs. , If not, Is Applebee's prepared to
protect the lives of their customers or will there be another "Luby's
Incident" in Texas ....


Women Against Gun Control - EVP
nkh@wagc.com

PS: this boycott doesn't stop at the Texas Border !


bcc: Several other pro gun rights organizations and pro gun discussion
boards ( the internet is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> Dear Jsalcedo@satx.rr.com:
>
> I understand you have e-mailed Mr. Gregg Spickler, the Director of
> Operations for the Applebee's in San Antonio, concerning your handgun.
>
> I told him I will personally respond.
>
> I am pleased that you are a guest of Applebee's in San Antonio and I
> hope your patronage will continue but it will not continue with you
> carrying a concealed weapon into one of our restaurants. We have a
> notice posted in all of our lobbies asking that this not occur.
>
>
> Le me repeat, we want to keep your business, but only without your
> handgun.
>
> I am enclosing the TX law for you to read.
>
>
> 30.06 Trespass by Holder of License to Carry Concealed Handgun
>
> A license holder commits an offense if the license holder comes on the

> property without effective consent and receives notice that an entry
> by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden, or
> remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was forbidden and
> failed to depart.
>
>
> Hopefully, you will continue to do business and patronize our
> Applebee's in the future.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Frank A. DeAngelo


__________________
Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a lady explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

[OEF_VET]

How's this for a way to let them know your feelings? Have a THR get together, or gather up all your 2A friendly friends, and meet at a local Applebees. When you walk in the door and the host / hostess approaches, ask to speak to the manager. When he/she comes up, point to your large group of friends (potential customers) and tell the manager that you were going to eat there, but because of their anti-CCW policies, you'll now be going across the street to Friday's. Let them stew on that for awhile.

Frank

[P95Carry]

Hmmm .... I wonder .. what's TGI's stance? Only ever used them either at airport or on way to airport (in MD) .. so carry not an issue!

[Watchman]

Great....just great.

Now I must include Applebees on my list of places not to go when I am teaching my part of the CCW class.

Hmmm...lets see. An average of 45 students per class times one class a month adds up to over 500 people a year, not counting their friends and their family members.

Perhaps the antigunners that run the corporation dont understand that messing with people that take the initiative to provide their OWN means of self defense are not to be trifled with.

Piss the CCW instructors off and see what ya get. :cuss:

[Thumper]

Watchman, did you write an email letting them know of the business they lost?

[Watchman]

No I did not.

Reckon they'll take notice ?

[Shweboner]

My message is as follows:


-------------------------------------

Mr. DeAngelo,

I recently came upon the experience of Jsalcedo@satx.rr.com . I must say that I find your policy in regards to legally carried firearms repulsive. One can only wonder what brought about such a policy? CHL holders are among the best that society has to offer, and represent a large part of the population. Applebee's will feel the effect of this anti-2nd Amendment policy; word spreads quickly via the internet. There are more than a handful of competitors who will welcome our business across the country. Until this policy is changed I will avoid Applebee's restaurants, as will my friends and family. I urge you to reconsider this ill-founded decision, I know you will do the right thing.


Sincerely,
(...shweboner...)
Portland, Oregon

------------------------------------------

We'll see, anyone get a response yet?????

Also, who knows of an openly Pro-2nd restaurant???


~Brain

[CZ-75]

Dear Mr. DeAngelo,

I've read your letter stating your position on concealed carry in your franchised Applebee's restaurants. Consequently, I won't be patronizing your establishments, in particular, or Applebee's, in general, until each makes clear their position on concealed carry by lawfully authorized citizens. I must note that concealed carry permit holders have passed background and proficiency checks and are likely a better quality of clientele than your establishments might usually attract. Additionally, statistics show a much lower level of criminality among concealed carry permit holders than the population in general; likely lower than your employees as well.

Regards,

CZ-75

[George Hill]

I'm going to be posting about this on MadOgre.com:

"Applebees is a pretty good place to eat. However for many people that think along the same lines I do – Eating at a place that requires you to leave your lawfully permitted firearms at the door is not a place worth patronizing. I give you this thread on THR. If you believe in the constitution, and in your second amendment rights… Please do not visit Applebees. Instead, send them copies of your receipts for meals out where Applesbees could have been the choice for the evening. Let them know they are losing money. Let them know they have lost a customer and are going to continue to lose customers until they change policy and embrace the true nature of both Free Markets and Freedom"

I think we have got a ball rolling now. But there is more that we can do.

If you are a member of another online forum... post a link to page 1 of this thread. Get the word out to all Pro RKBA sites, and groups. Spread this message rapidly.
ANYTIME you go get something to eat... or people you know get something to eat. Save a copy of the bill. Collect a few and send them in to Applebees. Show them the DOLLARS that they are loosing. Attach a note saying "We ate some place else because we didn't have to check our freedom and dignity at the door" or something along those lines.

Make it happen People!

[Tom B]

I emailed and asked him if Applebees are going to protect customers like Lubys management did?

[gypsy3]

Count me in on the Applebees boycot..
I just fired off a hot little EMail to mr. DeAngelo, telling him that Me, my family, neighbors, friends, and anyone else We can spread the word to in Oklahoma, will be dining elsewhere..

[MrKandiyohi]

I think we may be reacting too broadly in this boycott of Applebees.

No one has ascertained whether or not this is a NATIONAL policy or the policy of a single Applebees or small group of Applebees in TX. First, we need to find out if the national chain is for or against banning firearms.

The only e-mail response I've seen was from a DeAngelo who runs some Applebees in TX. Why are people telling him that they're going to stop going to Applebees in OH, FL, etc which he doesn't own or manage? Why the heck should he care if a business he doesn't own goes out of business? I'm guessing an Applebees somewhere in the US went out of business in that last year or so. That didn't affect DeAngelo, and he won't be hurt by others going out of business.


I am for boycotting businesses that ban firearms. I am not for boycotting businesses that do not ban firearms. Your local Applebees may not be banning firearms. Why punish them???

MrK

[blackhawk2000]

Email sent.

[Ebbtide]

No one has ascertained whether or not this is a NATIONAL policy or the policy of a single Applebees or small group of Applebees in TX. First, we need to find out if the national chain is for or against banning firearms

No, not at all.

Individual franchise owners operate under a set of corporate guidelines and pay franchise fees. Profits are shared by owners and stock holders. They can all suffer along with Mr. DeAngelo's poor decision.

[bogie]

The jerk may listen a little more to the guys from the parent corporation.

[dev_null]

Those who are sending letters and emails to DeAngelo need to be cc-ing corporate hq. Or better yet, the other way around: write to corporate and cc DeAngelo.

-0-

[Alan Fud]

I had a little cyber-talk with Mr. DeAngelo and he appears to be changing his position ... Thank you for your note. I have determined that my Applejam Applebee's restaurants will be consistent with our parent company's (Applebee's International) practice of not posting signs prohibiting licensed, concealed handguns. Therefore, in the Applejam of Texas' Applebee's restaurants, we will not post signs prohibiting licensed, concealed handguns.

I look forward to your continued patronage of your local Applebee's Neighborhood Grill & Bar.

Sincerely,

Frank DeAngelo

[Ebbtide]

I got the same!!!

Way to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dave]

Ca-ching!

Polite and reasonable replies will almost always work. 'Specialy when aimed at the wallet.

Good work guys.

[braindead0]

Just got it here, same message. Waahoo.. I don't care much for Applebees but the wife does..she'll be happy.

[pytron]

I got the same message as well. Take a look at the new thread:
Applebee's changes its position on firearms... (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=313286)

Our work made a difference. Now y'all can retract your national Applebee's boycott.

-Pytron

[RustyHammer]

Cris-cross, Applesauce .... they're off our list.

(Sigh ... there is one just a block from my back door.)

Guess I could provide cover fire from my back yard ...

Rusty

[Ed Ely]

Ed

[jsalcedo]

I have to say WOW!

I walk into an Applebees on 6/2/2003 8:00pm

Walk out of applebees on 6/2/2003 8:01pm

Post it on THR on 6/3/2003 4:00pm

Fire off an Email about a stupid sign to Deangelo 6/4/2003 9:00am.

Post his smarmy reply here at THR 6/4/2003 12:09pm

6/4/2003 through 6/5/2003 Frank Deangelo is innundated with
thousands of angry but polite Emails about his stupid policy by
nearly everyone with a computer.

6/62003 10:30am I am notified of their change in policy.

Way to go THR!!!!

6/6/2003 10:31am Jsalcedo is innundated by 200 penis enlargement emails.

Oh well, small price to pay :D

[cordex]

Outstanding. Haven't gotten a response, but good to know he's changed the policy.

We have influence. Not much, maybe, but some. Good to see it put to use.

[Ebbtide]

Who's next?

[P95Carry]

Seems an excellent result ... hope it holds.

Outa curiosity as I mentioned earlier .. anyone know what TGI's policy is? never tried to use one yet in other than non CCW states or places (airport!).

[jsalcedo]

I eat at TGI all the time in San Antonio and haven't seen any signs.

[Blackcloud6]

Way to go guys! This was a short and effective campaign.

[Jason Demond]

Good job guys!




Who's next?

[Sam Adams]

I got the same email.

I love the smell of napalm in the morning...it smells like VICTORY!!!!!!!!

[P95Carry]

Just sent my thank-you note .. i am sure the show of appreciation will further help relations.

[Beorn]

This was the letter I sent--->

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sir,

I have just received word of Applebees policy concerning legally concealed handguns on their property in the State of Texas.

Thank you for your open comments regarding the policy.

I shall have nothing further to do with Applebees Restaurants nor any establishment owned and/or operated by Applejam Inc.

Sincerely,

M.A. Barber
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Good work campers! Now, can you guys help me get Feinstein and company to take their 12-step selves and convince them to walk off of an eleven step pier here in Kalifornia?:D

[Strings]

... and someone there wrote and got the same reply Alan did. Guess we (gun owners) DO have a bit of clout, huh?

[Darrin]

Now if TN would just change its law regarding carrying in places that serve alcohol... :uhoh: :rolleyes:

Great work people!!

[Jeff OTMG]

I got the same one as well. He must have been slammed.

[morganm01]

WE NEED TO DO THIS WAY MORE OFTEN!!

Newspapers, Restaraunts and others....

Even if you don't live in the city in which the "offense" has taken place, save these sort of emails and copy/paste/send them off and we will get the results we want! This is the second time this week I have seen positive results from a mini-campaign like this. Keep it up and congrats to all!!

[AR15DCM]

Mr. DeAngelo,

I would like to let you and your company know that I will no longer go to Applebees due to it's stance on the LAWFUL carry of concealed weapons. Permitted carriers of concealed weapons go through intensive background checks and are law abiding citizens. It is a shame your company discriminates against us. I will make sure the email you sent to Jsalcedo@satx.rr.com (see below) gets posted on as many gun related web sites as possible. I hope this will open your eyes to the mistake your company has made.

Ms. Diraimo, I have included you in this email because I couldn't find any other email contacts for Applebees Corporate Executives on your web site. Please forward this to the person that should handle such issues within your company. Thank you.


Dean Miller
Buford, GA.

[sgb]

As my first post on the board I'd like to say..........E Mail sent :cool:

[Thumper]

Guys, guys...nice to have you on the board but:

Read above. We won. They changed the policy. Send 'em a thank you note.

[AR15DCM]

yeah so,.. they got an extra one..

[pax]

Further responses may be posted on this (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=25779) thread, which is about Applebee's attitude adjustment.

pax

There is a lust in man no charm can tame
Of loudly publishing his neighbor's shame
On eagles wings immortal scandals fly,
while virtuous actions are born and die. -- William Harvey