Define "Assault Weapon"


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vis-ŗ-vis
February 14, 2007, 04:08 PM
What constitutes an Assault Weapon?

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nico
February 14, 2007, 04:13 PM
there is no definitive definition. . . that's the point. The proponents of such bans claim that AWs are "military-style guns," meaning anything they decide looks too much like something that some military somewhere carried at some point in time is fair game. The term "assault weapon" is nothing but an attempt to take advantage of the general public's ignorance with respect to firearms and how they work.

Just for example, the AWB currently being proposed in MD would essentially ban all semi-auto handguns.

DMK
February 14, 2007, 04:13 PM
A "Assault Weapon" is a term used by those who want to ban semi-auto rifles. Legally, it was defined in the now defunct 1994 federal Assault Weapons Ban. With the demise of that law some states imposed their own version, and the actual description today varies from state to state depending on their legislation.

For the most part it's a semi-automatic pistol with a larger than 10 round magazine, or a semi-auto rifle with a detachable magazine and a few of the following features: a pistol grip that "extends conspicuously below the receiver", a flash suppressor or a barrel threaded to accept one, a bayonette lug, a folding or collapsing stock.

For pistols, I believe there was a weight limit as well.

The term "Assault Weapon" was designed to sound a lot like "Assault Rifle"(which is a "select fire" weapon capable of either semi-automatic or full automatic modes), thereby causing confusion between the two terms and leading some to believe the law in fact banned machine guns, which it did not at all.

Assault Rifles are machine guns and as such are regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 (often referred to simply as the NFA).

DogBonz
February 14, 2007, 04:15 PM
there is no definitive definition. . . that's the point.

Pre Klinton ASSualt weapons bill an "assualt rifle" was any rifle that could be changed from full auto to semi auto with the flip of a selector switch. In the real definition the term "slect fire" was used.

jlbraun
February 14, 2007, 04:18 PM
Assault weapon (n): Whatever we want to ban this week.

mmissile
February 14, 2007, 04:25 PM
IMO....select fire

DMK
February 14, 2007, 04:25 PM
Pre Klinton ASSualt weapons bill an "assualt rifle" was any rifle that could be changed from full auto to semi auto with the flip of a selector switch.Wrong! See my post above.

Again the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 had nothing to do with Assault Rifles.

Assault Rifles are regulated by the NFA of 1934.

This is a perfect example of anti-gun subterfuge

DogBonz
February 14, 2007, 04:28 PM
My humble apologies. I miss read. I thought he was asking about assault rifles, not assault weapons.

Sorry.

vis-ŗ-vis
February 14, 2007, 04:29 PM
Hrrmm so all three of the guns I want to buy this year (see sig) can be classified as an Assault weapon as well as my 15 shot Glock? I read today on here AWB II was just introduced. I need more money and will probably revert to Ramen soup and bologna sandwhiches and sacrifice my wine budget till I can get my hands on what I need (just in case).

DWARREN123
February 14, 2007, 04:30 PM
A weapon that I would use to assault an enemy position. I have not seen any lately at gun shows or shops. Mine would have to have auto fire capability (not burst) and use a medium size round, be short enough to handle in confined quarters.

DMK
February 14, 2007, 04:30 PM
My humble apologies.No need for apologies. You just helped me prove the point of how cleverly deceptive the anti-gun crowd can be.

Even if it was unintentional. ;)


A weapon that I would use to assault an enemy position. I have not seen any lately at gun shows or shops. Mine would have to have auto fire capability (not burst) and use a medium size round, be short enough to handle in confined quarters.

See?

mpmarty
February 14, 2007, 04:32 PM
An Assault Weapon is anything I choose to use to do physical damage your body or that of another, in other words any weapon used to commit an assault.

Assault Rifle on the other hand is defined quite clearly as a select fire, high capacity, rifle commonly using reduced power or lighter recoiling ammunition as in the 7.92 x 33 which was the first recognized assault rifle cartridge.

Also a crew served weapon such as the M-60 does not become an Assault Rifle when Rambo shoots it from the hip.

SSN Vet
February 14, 2007, 04:39 PM
an assault weapon is a realy cool rifle....

that I want very much....

primarily because it will make the wussininis wet their pants and piss Hillary off. :) :)

Sorry, I couldn't resist

nico
February 14, 2007, 04:40 PM
Wrong! See my post above.

Again the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 had nothing to do with Assault Rifles.

Assault Rifles are regulated by the NFA of 1934.

This is a perfect example of anti-gun subterfuge
Exactly my point. The term "assault weapon" was coined in order to sound ambiguously similar to "assault rifle" which has an actual definition. The worst thing is, the gun grabbers have been so successful in their use of the term that they've even gotten a lot of pro-gun people using the terms interchangeably.

Stretchman
February 14, 2007, 04:54 PM
The reason it came about? Anyone?

I was going to say gang violence and drive by shootings that were killing bystanders and got so bad that people took to sleeping in their bathtubs to avoid the strays, but then, I would be mistaken.

Mostly involving drug runners and low level street criminals who were getting their hands on mostly Aks but also Tec 9s and other high capacity weapons and then modifying them to fire full auto.

But if you say it's because of Hillary and other liberal politicians, then who am I to argue.

glimmerman
February 14, 2007, 05:01 PM
dont forget to mention the bayonets for all those drive by stabbings. lol:banghead:

1911JMB
February 14, 2007, 05:10 PM
My Sociology teacher was running his mouth about "assault weapons" to my class one day. I simply asked him to please define the term. He couldn't give me an intelligible answer. Asking for facts often is a good fix when gun grabbers run their mouths.

Stretchman
February 14, 2007, 05:17 PM
That's good game. But if you still don't understand why, then take a look at what happened in places like South Central, and Liberty City. I worked areas likr those and there was gunfire every night. Just because the news stations wouldn't put in on unless a kid got killed doesn't mean that it wasn't happening. In fact, the psychology was that they were just out for attention, so we were helping their goals by putting those crimes on TV. So, we never got to see what was really up. Lots of shot up and dead people who never so much as made the paper.

Zoogster
February 14, 2007, 06:36 PM
Actualy I am going to have to take a slightly different attitude than most here in explaining it is only cosmetic, or prior military, or semi autos, though that is all true.

"Assault weapon" is not limited to semi auto, but in fact includes whatever an anti feels makes a firearm a more capable weapon, or can be sold to the general public as such. This can be forward hand grips, pistol grips, barrel shrouds so the hot barrel won't burn someone, flash or sound suppressors that allow a person to use the weapon without being blinded or needing hearing protection (which means they would be more aware because they can be in tune with movement and things apporaching etc) or allows for quicker reloading by using a removable or detachable magazine. Or holds more ammo than is deemed necessary by design. Or if it has a short barrel or is easier to wield, which means bullpups and SBR etc. Or something unique simply because it won't have wide resistance and can be quickly banned such as "any pistol with a detachable magazine outside the pistol's grip" even though it makes little difference in actual operation. Semi Autos are simply the most efficient civilian legal design so are the focus of current anti targeting. However if those were banned, high (normal) capacity pump or lever, or bolt actions, especialy with detachable magazines would be the focus of "assault weapon" laws.

The goal of the antis is disarmament, however that is a large war, so they fight the battles in between which focus resources at what either they feel is the most effective, or will garner the least resistance and make the most use of thier funding, and then create a philosophy to market to thier supporters. Currently that is semi autos, primarily ones that look like select fire military counterparts, this makes it easy because they can show footage of the full autos being used and then speak of the semi as if it is the same weapon.

However the very term "assault" implies they are evil and offensive. Since any firearm can be used offensively the term can be applied to whatever is currently in the antis' crosshairs and is a main priority whether it is a weapon, or simply a cartridge as we see in the case of the BMG, "assault weapon" is a relative term with no actual definition.
So the term can be applied to anything they at the time consider to have too many "evil" features, as they outlaw or ban types of firearms, the features used to identify them slowly increase to be suitably inclusive.

It is simply a divide and conquer technique, allowing one to define what segment of the firearm population they wish to battle at a given time so they are not overwhelmed and can control the amount of opposition they face at any given time.

DMK
February 14, 2007, 07:15 PM
It is simply a divide and conquer technique, allowing one to define what segment of the firearm population they wish to battle at a given time so they are not overwhelmed and can control the amount of opposition they face at any given time.And it's worked well for them.

I can't even count how many times I've heard the phrase "nobody needs an Assault Weapon..." (or usually it's Assault Rifle) uttered by a fellow gun owner.

Divide and conquer indeed. :(

hunttheevil
February 14, 2007, 07:56 PM
I agree with MPMarty,

"An Assault Weapon is anything I choose to use to do physical damage your body or that of another, in other words any weapon used to commit an assault."

Whatever weapon, knife, bat, firearm, etc., you use to attack someone is an assault weapon. Now, if you are on the other end of this scenario and are armed, you have a defence weapon.

Evil

DoubleTapDrew
February 14, 2007, 07:59 PM
I agree that it was made up to sound very similar to Assault Rifle (select fire, intermediate rifle cartridge). Wasn't the sturmgewehr 44 the first assault rifle?
Back when the AW Ban was just starting, some nitwit female on the radio (I believe she was a politician, probably one of the big names we all love so much), when asked what a semi-automatic gun was, flat out said it was a gun that will continue to fire as long as the trigger is held down. Who knows how many people continue to believe that.

SSN Vet
February 14, 2007, 09:17 PM
Asking for facts often is a good fix when gun grabbers run their mouths.

FACTS! they don't need on stinkin' facts!

Never let a little thing like facts stand in the way of your noble cause to make the country safe for gang bangers and rapist!

Heck.....the libs can't even define what "sex" is (when it's expedient for them, that is)....and you're asking them to define "assault weapon"?

Quintin Likely
February 14, 2007, 10:22 PM
A weapon that you would assault someone with.

Calibers and firing modes aside, it's a silly term. It's a rifle, a pistol, a shotgun, or just a firearm. I wish folks would leave it at that.

Texas_XD
February 14, 2007, 10:46 PM
Calibers and firing modes aside, it's a silly term. It's a rifle, a pistol, a shotgun, or just a firearm. I wish folks would leave it at that.


You might as well wish for that winning lottery ticket to fall out of the sky into your hands. There will ALWAYS be someone somewhere that will attempt to know what's best for YOU. :scrutiny:
As things stand now, I'm afraid we as firearm owners are too divided to improve matters in our favor next year. The truth as I see it is, too many owners are only concerned with THEIR favorite particular sub-group of firearm. :banghead: Until we all fully understand that just because today they want my Ar-15, doesn't mean that tomorrow they won't want your prized Springfield 1903.
Sorry for the rant, just went through a conversation earlier today with a co-worker based on my AR vs. his spiffy WWI & WWII collection.

Jackal
February 14, 2007, 10:59 PM
Easy answer. All Guns! They can all be used to assult someone, so why not just ban them all? Hell, why not ban pencils to, since they can be used as a weapon in an assult.:barf:

Quintin Likely
February 14, 2007, 10:59 PM
You might as well wish for that winning lottery ticket to fall out of the sky into your hands. There will ALWAYS be someone somewhere that will attempt to know what's best for YOU.
As things stand now, I'm afraid we as firearm owners are too divided to improve matters in our favor next year. The truth as I see it is, too many owners are only concerned with THEIR favorite particular sub-group of firearm. Until we all fully understand that just because today they want my Ar-15, doesn't mean that tomorrow they won't want your prized Springfield 1903.
Sorry for the rant, just went through a conversation earlier today with a co-worker based on my AR vs. his spiffy WWI & WWII collection.
Perhaps you misinterpreted what I typed.

I'm all for all firearm owners. I own a few "assault weapons," evil looking AR15s and high capacity semi automatic shotguns.

My original point was that the term "assault weapon" is stupid. It's a dumbass term used by the media and politicians to scare the general population and to justify restricting certain firearms just because of how they look.

I think things overall for shooters of all genres would become a lot easier if the ignorant didn't use the term "assault weapon" for something like an AR15 (considering that it technically doesn't mean the requirements for the definition of an "assault rifle," lacking select fire capablilty), and just call the durn thing what it is - a rifle.

MrDig
February 14, 2007, 11:08 PM
Assault Weapon, Any implement used in an assault.

From Websters On-Line
Main Entry: 1as∑sault Pronunciation: &-'solt Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English assaut, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *assaltus, from assalire
1 a : a violent physical or verbal attack b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces c : a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary)
2 a : a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact -- compare BATTERY 1b b : RAPE 2

Main Entry: 2assault Function: verb transitive verb
1 : to make an assault on 2 : RAPE 2 intransitive verb : to make an assault
synonym see ATTACK - as∑sault∑er noun

Now for the Kicker
Main Entry: assault weapon Function: noun
: any of various automatic or semiautomatic firearms; especially : ASSAULT RIFLE
Main Entry: assault rifle Function: noun
: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

SaMx
February 14, 2007, 11:46 PM
an assault weapon is a firearm that looks scary.

Ranger J
February 15, 2007, 03:25 PM
Define assault weapon? Define sniper rifle or Saturday night special?
RJ

skinnyguy
February 15, 2007, 03:44 PM
"assault weapon" is any weapon used in an assault. it is NOT necessarily a firearm.

It can be a length of pipe, a chuck of wood, a knife, a screwdriver, an automobile, a hammer, a fire extinguisher, a fishhook, a fingernail, or a paperclip. the list is LITERALLY endless!

if you cause damage to another person with ANY item, regardless of it's size, weight, or percieved lethality, it then becomes an "assault weapon".

DoubleTapDrew
February 15, 2007, 03:56 PM
Here's a little insight to the mentality the media uses for guns or gun owners http://www.rkba.org/comment/brown/journalguide.html

Nobody actually knows what an assault weapon is, so you cannot be criticized for this usage.

Duckster
February 15, 2007, 04:07 PM
I was told that an assault rifle has in enclosed bolt system such as AK47, AK74, G3, M2 (GREASE GUN), M16 SERIES, UZI and etc. Weapons with open bolts like bolt action rifless, M1 GARAND & CARBINE, M14, MINI -14 and etc. are NOT considered Assuault Weapons. As you know Machine guns fall under Assault weapons. This is the way it was explained to me.

DMK
February 15, 2007, 04:21 PM
I was told that an assault rifle has in enclosed bolt system such as AK47, AK74, G3, M2 (GREASE GUN), M16 SERIES, UZI and etc. Weapons with open bolts like bolt action rifless, M1 GARAND & CARBINE, M14, MINI -14 and etc. are NOT considered Assuault Weapons. As you know Machine guns fall under Assault weapons. This is the way it was explained to me.Whoever told you that was dead wrong. None of it even makes any sense. :confused:

Neo-Luddite
February 15, 2007, 09:31 PM
Probably something that fires from the open bolt would be considered an NFA (or has been in practice -- case in point early semi-autro tec-9)--if that is what was being reched for there is some truth that ATF has tended to see firing from the open bolt as a 'pre-curser' to trouble more than any other single feature.:banghead:


"Assault weapon" is giving way to the even more nebulous term (from the Becky Peters crowd) 'Military Grade'. THAT can mean anything you want it to. Avoid both like the plague--they describe nothing for Our purposes.


Carbine and Rifle describe things well enough.

ndh87
February 16, 2007, 12:22 AM
assault rifle - a select fire rifle chambered for an intermediate round.
assault weapon - whatever the anti's feel like trying to ban

Limeyfellow
February 16, 2007, 03:50 AM
Pre Klinton ASSualt weapons bill an "assualt rifle" was any rifle that could be changed from full auto to semi auto with the flip of a selector switch. In the real definition the term "slect fire" was used.

They had the Clinton defination before he even came in office especially with the 89 ban on foreign imports that became the force behind the 94 ban. It doesn't help that the president, vice president and so on hate these types of weapons in the hands of the public and that people have voted for antigun presidents since at least the 1950s.

crazed_ss
February 16, 2007, 08:15 AM
assault rifle - a select fire rifle chambered for an intermediate round.
assault weapon - whatever the anti's feel like trying to ban

This is the answer.

Assault Weapon is a made up political term. It's any gun that is that antis think is too evil. There is no consistency. CA's AWB is a perfect example. SKS's w/ detachable mags are banned, but Mini-14's and M1A's arent. Tec-9's and Mac's are banned, but regular semi-auto handguns are perfectly fine. Ruger PC-9 is legal, but a Berretta CX-4 isnt.

An AW is whatever gun the antis think is too deadly.

Rifleman 173
May 31, 2007, 12:00 PM
The "assault rifle" is another liberal :evil: lie. Rifles carried by soldiers are more of a personal defense tool than one used to assault a target. The only true assault rifle is the 120 mm rifle attached to the turret of an M-1 Abrahms tank. Try to fix a bayonet on that rifle. A tank is really the ideal assault weapon, not a rifle. The only reason why the liberals came up with the phrase of assault rifle was because they wanted a "catch phrase" to use to further their unpopular anti-gun causes. They even made reference that Adolph Hitler was the person who first uttered the phrase in a deliberate attempt to link the rifle to an evil person hoping that the average person would think small black rifle = association with Hitler = bad thing. Research indicates that there is nothing to directly link Hitler with the phrase "sturmgewher" or "assault rifle." So that means that Ted Kennedy, Sarah Brady, et al flat out lied to the American public. :fire:

Smitty in CT
May 31, 2007, 04:22 PM
Assault can be noun or a verb, it shouldn't be used an adjective like the politicians like to do.

In Connecticut, they have pretty much taken the California AWB and just changed the name...I don't think they even read it.

As Ted Nugent says," The Second Ammendment of our Bill of Rights IS my conceiled weapons permit...period"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

I'm Weird too!!!

Reginhild
May 31, 2007, 07:49 PM
I have done a lot of work on the definition of "Assault Weapon" over at Wikipedia - the online encyclopedia. There is a military definition and a differing public definition that is currently used here in the United States.

Here is the link to the Wikipedia page on the definition of Assault Weapon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Fast Frank
June 1, 2007, 01:34 AM
The antis have us all twisted up, don't they? Here we are, arguing and quoting in an attempt to define their lie.

Read this and see the truth:

Regardless of what ANYBODY has said or decreed, the thing that makes a given gun an "Assault rifle" or an "Assault weapon" is INTENT.

Think about it- What makes a target rifle a target rifle? It's the intent to shoot targets and nothing else.

What about a hunting rifle?

Why is my 10-22 a hunting rifle and your 10-22 a target rifle?

Because I intend to hunt with mine and you intend to shoot targets with yours.

Here's why they won't recognize this simple and undeniable fact-

If I buy a rifle that was designed, manufactured, sold, and labeled as being specially made for assaulting somebody, EXCEPT i BOUGHT IT FOR TARGET SHOOTING, Then it is by definition a target rifle.

For the very same reason a fishing pole is not a flag pole, my target rifle cannot be an assault rifle.

Simple, ain't it?

RevolvingCylinder
June 1, 2007, 02:21 AM
Good thing they haven't gone after the battery weapons yet. I still don't see how an AR-15 or a Kalashnikov verbally threatened someone.

shc1
June 1, 2007, 07:10 AM
OK Iíll chime in on this
Assault Weapon: A combination of words
(assault, the act of doing something bad to someone)
(weapon, an actual object that can cause harm)
Put the two together and point at something scary. (anything you deem scary)
The sheep will cower behind and praise you while you hand out government funds for your agenda.
All the while claming morals are on their side.

benEzra
June 1, 2007, 02:02 PM
According to the gun-control lobby, it is any civilian shotgun that holds more than 3 or 5 rounds, any civilian rifle that holds more than 5 or 10 rounds, or any civilian pistol that holds more than 6 or 10 rounds. Also considered "assault weapons" are any self-loading rifle or shotgun with a protruding handgrip, thumbhole stock, extreme Monte Carlo stock, or muzzle threads, plus any other self-loader they want to ban (Ruger mini-14, M1 carbine).

Those are the definitions that have been put forward in "assault weapon" bans at the Federal level since 1994.

44AMP
June 1, 2007, 11:16 PM
Sturmgewehr -name given to the MP43/44 series of rifles developed by the Germans in the later half of WWII. Hitler had forbidden further rifle development (as unnecessary), and the rifles were called MP (Maschinen Pistolen -Machine pistols or SMG) in order to be developed. The primary features of the Sturmgewehr were select fire, intermediate power round (more powerful than a pistol, less powerful than standard rifle), and large (30rnd) magazine capacity. The design also incorporated a pistol grip and a straight style stock.

Sturm is a German word that is translated into English one of two ways, either as "Assault" -like a soldier assaulting an objective, or as "Storm", which can be either "storming an objective" or storm, like the weather.

Sturmgewehr - Assault rifle - Storm Rifle
Sturmgeschuetz - Assault gun - Storm Gun (a turretless tank design)
Sturm Abteilung- Assault detachment - Storm Troopers
Sturm Voegel - Storm Bird - nickname given to Me 262 jet fighter

Sturm is used as a confidence inspiring adjective, like we use the term "Tactical" today.

The accepted definition of assault rifle, used by the military and firearms community since the end of WWII is a basic description of the features of the Sturmgewehr, namely select fire, intermediate power cartridge. And nearly all designs after the MP 43 have similar features. The most widely known "assault rifle" is the AK 47.

One could equally well call them "Combat Carbines", but "Assault Rifle" has such an inspiring name, it gets the nod. You have to hand it to the Germans, they know how to create inspiring propaganda. Who else called their heavy tank a "Tiger"!

Anti gunners took the valid term assault rifle, and at first, actually used it correctly, be calling the guns they wanted to ban "semi-automatic assault rifles" (actual assault rifles are legally classed as machineguns in the US, and as such have been under Federal regulation since 1934), but "semi-automatic assault rifle" is a mouthful, and does not lend itself to sound bites, so the changed the term to "assault weapon", which also included certain handguns and shotguns. And, unfortunately, the term has stuck.

I do not accept current dictionary definitions (especially on-line dictionaries) as a valid source for a proper definition. They define words by their popular usage, which (especially in this case) is not an accurate definition.

As written in various laws, "assault weapon" is defined by the cosmetic characteristic, not by design function. Pistol grips, detatchable magazines, bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, etc. define what constitutes a "legal" assault weapon, all of which are actually semi-automatic rifles or handguns. Full auto firearms are not legally assault weapons, they are machine guns.

Rifles firing full power cartridges (.30-06, 8mm Mauser, 7.62x51 NATO, 7.76x54R, etc.) are not assault rifles, but may be assault weapons under the laws. Rifles firing pistol ammo (7.62x25mm, 9mm, .45ACP) are not assault rifles, but may be assault weapons under the law.

Assault Weapon is a term created by legislators at the urging of gun control activists to restrict semi auto firearms that look like military firearms. Nothing else.

No actual assault rifles have ever been affected by assault weapon laws, only civilian legal semi autos. And only those that look like military rifles.

Hope this helps.

benelli12
June 2, 2007, 12:01 AM
Assault weapon (n): Whatever we want to ban this week.

That one made me laugh:)

Sooooo true though.

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