"What just happened Davey?"
"We got hosed tommy, we got hosed.."
June 4, 2003, 08:56 PM
Correia would win it.
June 4, 2003, 09:10 PM
naah. I would, with my m16 based modular battle rifle.
imagine an m-16 with a two piece lower.
you can swap calibers by replacing the magazine well and upper. everything from 12 gauge to .22LR.
June 4, 2003, 10:56 PM
That's what the new battle rifle has become?
I think I'd take one of teh M41A pulse rifle movie props from aliens! Atleast its a .45cal thompson with a 12gau shotgun underslung... much smaller and lighter than that..
June 4, 2003, 11:53 PM
Now suppose you were the U.S. Army Ordnance Corps. Now suppose you were an idiot. But I repeat myself.:D
June 5, 2003, 02:31 AM
Battle rifles aren't too well suited to our style of warfare. Blow the enemy up with bombs, move in, shoot at 300 yards or less. And the Army would never spend the money to replace the M16A2. Cost is the determining factor.
June 5, 2003, 04:11 AM
You are gonna have a lot of explaining to do to idiots, putting them at the level of Ordnance!:)
June 5, 2003, 04:54 AM
Just to be correct: Lt., what do those pulse rifles fire? Standard 10mm caseless(case-less?) light armor peircing, why? Look where your team is....
The Army is going the Landwarrior way..M14 with camaras and stuff bolted on. The Marines have the OICW.. thats that gun up there..
June 5, 2003, 04:57 AM
the OICW is an army program, not a marine one.
June 5, 2003, 10:40 AM
Thanks George, just need to get some more machine time in. At least it looks like a gun now. Bwa HA HA HA!
June 5, 2003, 12:39 PM
I can't cite the exact source (sorry). I read in a LE/Gun rag my buddy had laying around about development of an intermediate cartridge, like 6mm for military use. Not much else said about it. Rumor? Maybe. Anyone else here anything similar?
June 5, 2003, 12:57 PM
BTW, not to burst any bubbles or interrupt any rants, but I don't think even the Army is touting the OICW as a replacement for the M-16. Its going to be some sort of squad support weapon. If it works.
June 5, 2003, 01:08 PM
I can't wait for the OICW to become an NRA Approved Service Rifle....the grenade portion of the event will be great!!!
You pull pits first!:p
June 5, 2003, 02:24 PM
i'm waiting for the M4 version of that thing to come out.
I've always wanted to do house entries with a 25mm.
June 5, 2003, 05:08 PM
or walk down the streets of olidale.
June 5, 2003, 06:10 PM
you don't need an OICW to walk down the streets of oildale. it's only a four magazine neighborhood.
June 5, 2003, 07:59 PM
read in a LE/Gun rag my buddy had laying around about development of an intermediate cartridge, like 6mm for military use.
You mean something similar to the cartridge for which the M1 Garand was originally developed for? :D
June 6, 2003, 05:51 AM
Okay, your right, Army in general. I saw a show on Discovery and they mentioned it was for the Marines. I was confused when I read this:
Makes me wonder what happened to the Land Warrior program..
edit to add this:http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/Landwarrior.htm
(note-I ment to type M4 up there, not M14)
June 6, 2003, 02:31 PM
landwarrior is still movin along.
the latest versions are almost reliable, and have long enough battery lives to be almost useable in combat.
June 6, 2003, 04:12 PM
Bah. OICW is a pie in the sky dollar gobbler. Mebbe good research, but don't expect it to replace the M16 family.
We do need a new cartridge, though...my vote is (also) about 6mm, 100 grain @ 3000 fps. Rifleman, sniper/SDM and SAW versions all very workable.
June 7, 2003, 10:06 AM
Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy the AN-94 from the Russians? Perhaps just buy a liscense from them and build it here.
June 7, 2003, 07:17 PM
How about a Phased-Plasma rifle in the 40Kilowatt range?
June 7, 2003, 11:29 PM
I was shooting with my buddys this morning and one of them had a 454. We were shooting a sks too. He was kidding around and said "why not make a 454 carbine?" we all busted up. Than we started thinking that would be cool. There is no way the gov would even think about that, would they?
June 8, 2003, 07:27 PM
.223 is fine. lets face it soldiers are crap shots. no point giving them bigger cal as they wont be able to take advantage of the added capabilitys. anyway what r u's complaining about we have the SA80.
OICW - anypics?
June 8, 2003, 09:59 PM
The Land Warrior system is integrating the soldier with the rifle through special battlefield equipment. The gun (presently the OICW, but not finished) will have special optics mounted allowing the operator to see down the barrel through his helmet mounted display. The optics are interchangeable (or will be) on the OICW. They have not decided on a caliber for the rifle portion of the OICW yet (at least as far as I know). They say they want to go with a smaller (physical size) cartridge which will allow the operator to carry more ammunition (since most future combat will be urban, rifle calibers are "no longer neccessary"). The Land Warrior system will replace basic infantry/riflemen. Squads will still have support weapons like the SAW and such. The operator will also have a computer as part of his loadout. It will enable him to send and receive realtime data. It will also allow the battlefield commander to see what is happening in realtime from a command center.
Personally, I think it is a bunch of crap and will always have problems. I am a firm believer in the K.I.S.S. method of warfare. As much as I dislike the M-16 and M-4 rifles, they are what I would choose in the heat of battle. That is, unless they gave me an M-14. :D
going to a smaller round so they can carry more? Jeez, why don't they just buy Ruger 10/22s and a bunch of preban Ramline 50 round magazines?
June 9, 2003, 01:43 AM
Why does the chart refer to the magazines as "clips"?
This whole R&D tangent seems like wasted money. H & K found that out with their caseless ammo program in the 1980's. With the residue of Cold War production still floating around, new small arms purchases seem to be wasted money.
June 10, 2003, 01:38 PM
If the OICW ever comes about, the "mad scientist" who develops a weapon that can disintergrate batteries will become king of the world....:what:
I'll take an FAL, please...:rolleyes:
June 11, 2003, 12:09 AM
No joe is gonna wanna slug that OICW around for any length of time. Plus, watch the electronics die the first time it gets wet.
Gimme an FAL anyday...
June 11, 2003, 01:28 AM
How about a Phased-Plasma rifle in the 40Kilowatt range?
Only what you see pal.
June 12, 2003, 03:59 AM
In the photo the phrase 'developed with the user, for the user' reminds me of the episode in which Homer's long lost brother lets him design the new car for everyman...
June 12, 2003, 05:37 AM
I love that it comes with a bayonet - CHARGE!!!
June 12, 2003, 05:54 AM
OICW down sized and separated into the XM-8 and XM-29. Pics of prototype and operational Land Warrior systems here: http://peosoldier.army.mil/gallery/photos.htm
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