Antique or Browned barrels!


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BP Tess
February 17, 2007, 10:17 AM
Howdy y'all! I'd like to see some pics of your guns after you've antiqued or browned the barrels and how you did it. I may want to try it on my remmies. I'll bet they look real perdy! There's so much knowlege here and y'all have been so helpful...this is an awesome forum! Post those pics! Teresa:D

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BP Tess
February 18, 2007, 09:44 AM
Come on guys, does anyone have some tips on this subject? Or at least some sorces for me to pry in. I've seen some pics on here before of some nice work y'all have done on your firearms. Just interested on how you went about doing it. BP Tess:)

Iggy
February 18, 2007, 10:16 AM
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Flintpistol.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Linda40.jpg

Well, here's a little homemade flintlock and a caplock rifle that are browned.
The guy that built them is dead now.

He used "Ye Olde Aquafortis Reagent" from Wahkon Lake Outfitters about 30 years ago. Don't know it they are still in business or not.

It entails intensive pre cleaning, putting the rusting agent on the barrel. letting the barrel rust for a period of time, scraping off the outer rusting, and repeating the process over and over until you get the desired result..

Found this doing a Google search.. Track shows degreaser, reagent, and instruction booklet.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(r4xrsb3dvpvkuj3nw5wktrzc))/categories/partList.aspx?catID=5&subID=65&styleID=221

I don't know if I would want to try it on a revolver. I suppose you could if you were really anal about the final cleaning and deactivating of the rusting process.

Old Fuff
February 18, 2007, 10:29 AM
The word "browned" as used during the 18th and 19th centuries is misleading, because the resulting color could be anything from dark brown, through plum, to blue. For various chemicals and methods try these links.

www.dixiegunworks.com (and be sure to buy their $5.00 hardcopy catalog).

www.brownells.com (also buy a copy of their catalog)

Another comon word is "antiqueing" and sometimes "original finish" which means to age the finish on a new gun to make it look old. Several threads on this can be found by using this forum's search feature in the B.P. sub-forum.

BP Tess
February 18, 2007, 10:58 AM
Thanks...I guess "aging" is the term I'm looking for. I want it to look used and a some type of brown color. I just don't want to ruin my gun and many of yours look so nice after this process. By the way...nice pics so far!

Old Fuff
February 18, 2007, 11:38 AM
The first sep is to completely disassemble the revolver and set aside the interior parts you aren't going to refinsh.

Then you can use a chemical usually used to remove rust to completely strip the finish on the steel parts. Rinse the parts well thereafter.

You can get the brown-colored finish by using one of several kits sold by either Brownells or Dixie Gun Works. Both present plenty of ideas and supplies in their catalogs. Instructions are included.

frosty
February 18, 2007, 11:48 AM
If I ever get my barrel from Bigiron, I'm building a boar gun, it's barrel & lock finished highly or "brightly" , then left age or get its own patina.:scrutiny:

oldelm
February 18, 2007, 11:59 PM
BP Tess...

Here's some links to threads on various forum which discuss & share this "antiquing" info. Maybe there's something that willbe useful to you,......good luck! :D

http://members.cox.net/longshot_logan/Metal%20Antiquing.htm

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,5505.0.html

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189475

Ferret
February 19, 2007, 03:51 AM
Tess... thinking of something life this??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/corinthian101/Guns/th_remmies.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/corinthian101/Guns/remmies.jpg)

mykeal
February 19, 2007, 08:49 AM
I have a considerable amount of experience with Birchwood Caseky's Plum Brown product and am quite satisfied with the results. Unfortunately I have no pictures of that work available.

I did the work several (30+) years ago on two long rifles and 4 single shot pistols. They were CVA kits. I put the guns in storage in the mid-80's to go off and make my fortune, and just recently pulled them out to resume my hobbies in retirement. The finished surfaces were just as good as new, so the treatment not only looked good, it lasted and aged very well.

BC's Plum Brown requires heating the surface. I hung each barrel with strong wire (so I would not have to touch it) and heated the surfaces with a propane torch to the point where a drop of water sizzled. I was very careful to heat the surface evenly and it took several minutes to get the entire barrel to temperature. Once it was heated I used a large cotton swab to apply the solution, in long strokes along the barrel shooting axis. As long as the solution sizzled, I continued applying it; when the barrel cooled I heated it up again. Each barrel took at least 3 applications, letting it cool and sit for several hours between each to get the dark brown color I was after. As I said, I'm very satisfied with this approach.

However, I'm about to brown the barrels of an old CVA double barrel shotgun kit that I didn't get around to finishing back in the 70's. Because the barrels are soldered to the center rib I will not use the heating method. Instead I'm going to use Laurel Mountain's full rust product, which essentially means applying the solution to a cold surface that has been thoroughly cleaned and allowing it to oxidize, then reapplying. I understand this process works better in a high humidity environment, so I'll probably set up a fixture over some water in the basement shower stall. Again, it will probably take several applications.

The key to getting a good result in either case is cleaning and degreasing the surface. Good, careful preparation is priceless.

Now that I own a digital camera I'll try to get some pictures of the ones I did years ago and post them.

As to whether I prefer browning over bluing, well, I like each in the proper context; to me blued revolver is the right answer, while a wood stock flinty or caplock needs to be browned. But that's a personal thing.

oldelm
February 19, 2007, 01:14 PM
Ferret....

I like the looks of your Remingtons. :D

What did you do to get that look?
Thanks!

BP Tess
February 19, 2007, 03:26 PM
Thanks for all the replies. Ferrett that is the "look" I want on my remmies. I'd like to try the heating method that mykeal used on his guns. Doesn't seem too hard...just some good prep work. Nice lookin' guns! Teresa

mykeal
February 21, 2007, 03:16 PM
All these were done with Birchwood Casey Plum Brown about 30 years ago.

CVA Colonial Pistol
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Colonial/R0010586.jpg

CVA Derringer
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Derringer/R0010589.jpg

CVA Hawken Pistol
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Hawken/R0010584.jpg

CVA Kentucky Rifle
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Kentucky%20Rifle/R0010550.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Kentucky%20Rifle/R0010551.jpg

CVA Kentucky Pistol
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Kentucky%20Pistol/R0010563.jpg

CVA Mountain Rifle
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Mountain/R0010595.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/CVA%20Mountain/R0010603.jpg

BP Tess
February 21, 2007, 05:58 PM
Those are some fine lookin' firearms. I especially like the KY rifle.;)

tkendrick
February 28, 2007, 02:37 AM
Yhe last gun I built was a 1750's era french toule fowler. Used a liquid browning solution that was the height of simple. Can't find the bottle, but if you'll call Track of the Wolf, they'll know what it is. Wipe the metal down w/alcohol, let it air dry then wipe this stuff on it, and hang it in the shop for a day. Gave me the most authentic finish I've ever seen. Understand a lot of the quality builders are now using this stuff. I'll post a foto, and the name of the stuff if I can A: figure out the camera my son bought me, and B: find the dang bottle

Plink
February 28, 2007, 05:58 AM
That sounds like Laurel Mountain Forge browning solution. It's the easiest to use that I know of and gives better results than the hot browns. For me anyway. It's as simple as wiping it on, letting it rust a bit and carding off the rust. Repeat a few times till you like the color. Wash it down with hot water and oil it up.

Low Key
March 1, 2007, 12:09 PM
my "antiqued" 1858

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/LowKey58/fakeantique.jpg

BP Tess
March 1, 2007, 07:33 PM
That laurel mnt browning solution sounds like a snap. One silly queation though...what does "carding the rust off" mean?:confused: :)

Low Key
March 1, 2007, 07:54 PM
One silly question though...what does "carding the rust off" mean?

a light sanding with a fine grit sandpaper, not a silly question though...you won't know if you don't ask. :)

mykeal
March 1, 2007, 08:18 PM
Carding means to take off the "excess" rust; that is, the layer that's simply resting on the surface as opposed to being part of the surface. Laurel Mountain's instructions say to wipe down the dried surface with a heavy, coarse cloth, like canvas or denim. I'm sure the fine grit sandpaper would do the job also.

Plink
March 2, 2007, 03:47 PM
There's no such thing as a silly question, only a silly answer. :)

The rust browning process leaves a fine layer of silt-like rust on the surface of the metal. This needs removed before the next application of the solution. This is called carding.

I would venture a guess that sandpaper would clog and might effect the finish. Commonly used items for carding are coarse cloth, degreased fine steel wool, or my favorite, a carding brush. The brush has baby soft fine stainless steel bristles. I got mine from Brownells. It's also used for cleaning files.

One thing that LMF solution requires to brown properly is humidity. I use a spare closet with a small humidifier and heater. Many folks just hang the parts in their bathroom and run a hot shower for a few minutes to generate humidity. It's not a complicated process and doesn't require specific temperatures or humidity levels. Each coat takes about 2-4 hours to rust properly, depending on the humidity. 4-5 repetitions is usually enough.

There's a couple tricks I've learned. Even if the first coat doesn't look like it's rusting well, take it out in 2-4 hours, don't card it, apply another coat and let it go another 2 hours. That sets a good foundation for the next coats and lets them get a "bite" on the metal.

I'd advise not sanding the metal any finer than about 220 grit. Any finer and the solution has a hard time biting into the metal. The rust browning process hides sanding scratches well anyway, so sanding to absolute perfection isn't really needed.

Always gently wipe on the solution and never rub. Rubbing causes a copper plating color to show up and you'll need to steel wool it off or that spot won't rust. I just make one pass with the solution and don't worry too much about eveness. It always looks uneven early in the process anyway. The color evens out and darkens as you continue, and the hot/boiling water at the end beautifully darkens it to a rich, chocolate brown.

One of my favorite tricks is to let the first couple coats really rust the metal. Sometimes for 18-20 hours or more, keeping a close eye on it. This causes pitting on the metal and makes the gun look very authentic and old. You can control the pitting by the amount of time you leave it rusting. It will begin as fine frosted pitting and progress to slightly rough pitting. That's a good place to stop unless you want the barrel to look very aged. If so, allowing it to progress to deeper pitting is fine. It's very easy to control the pitting and stop it exactly when you want. You do need to do the pitting in the first coat or two though, as you will actually remove the browning if you attempt it later in the process.

To finish the process, you use baking soda in water to neutralize any solution remaining on the metal, and rinse in boiling water.

Low Key
March 2, 2007, 04:22 PM
carding with fine grit sandpaper is something I was told by a local a while back. Apparently he didn't go into enough detail with me about what he was actually talking about. Thanks for the additional info...I'm always learning something new about these guns.

:)

BP Tess
March 2, 2007, 07:42 PM
Thanks so much for clearing things up for me. At first, I thought the aging process was just adding some color to the gun and rubbing some of it off where it may be worn from holster use, etc. I didn't realize you were actually rusting the gun. I always thought when rust started on something it wouldn't stop. Now I know that you can nuturalize it and use it to your advantage on these beautiful guns. You all are a joy to learn from! Thanks again.:D

mykeal
March 2, 2007, 08:04 PM
I learned about "rusting" the hard way. At least, it was a hard lesson at the time, funny now.

Once upon a time Branson, MO was just a little burg in the hills of southern Missouri. It had an amusement park built on a hillbilly theme called Silver Dollar City; many of the attractions were authentic craftspeople making dulcimers, weaving, blacksmithing, etc. One of them was a guy who made black powder weapons. From scratch, as it were. Me and few buddies had discovered black powder shooting and had put together some kit guns.

We made a number of trips to visit this guy, admire his work (no way could we afford to actually buy anything from him) and just talk about techniques and shooting bp. He asked me to bring one of the kit guns I'd made to help answer some question I'd asked, and on the next trip I did so.

The barrel was browned with the Birchwood Casey product, and was a deep, dark brown color, something I was quite proud of. He looked at it for a second, looked me in the eye and said loudly, for everyone to hear, "How come this barrel is all covered with rust?" I panicked, opened my mouth to respond but nothing came out; I just stood there flapping my lower jaw and stuttering, "But, but, but...". He then laughed, complimented me on the finish and explained the rust browning process, which he also used with a homemade solution.

It's just our little secret now. I can't wait to pull that same trick on some young know it all someday.

DixieTexian
March 2, 2007, 08:22 PM
Anybody got a homemade solution to browning barrels like Mykeal mentioned above? I just stripped all the blueing off of mine.

Old Dragoon
March 2, 2007, 10:33 PM
You can find Hacker Martins browning solution in I believe Foxfire # 6 the Foxfire series dealing with ML rigles and pistols. His stock stain is in there too.
I think you can get the Foxfire series of books (paperback) from Amazon.com.

His solution and stain work! I used them 35 years ago. Might be hard to get all the chemicals now, but then I could get them all from the nearest druggist.

Plink
March 3, 2007, 09:44 AM
Dixie, you can use any number of different mixes. Vinegar works, vinegar and salt, salt water, etc. The rust browning solutions give the most even and predictable results though, and I highly recommend using them.

The funny thing about rust browning is that while it's actually rust, it also helps prevent future rust! It leaves a thin oxide layer as part of the surface of the metal. This layer soaks up oil like a sponge and protects the steel underneath it. Proper rust brown (or rust blue, my favorite!) is actually more durable than any hot bluing!

Tinker2
March 3, 2007, 09:40 PM
Proper rust brown (or rust blue, my favorite!) is actually more durable than any hot bluing!

??? More info on that please.


Tinker2

DixieTexian
March 4, 2007, 12:46 AM
I used vinegar to take the bluing off, and it left a little layer of rust. However, this came off when I rubbed it down with bore butter. How would you go about getting a layer of deep brown that is durable without buying commercial browning solutions? I tried searching Google, but there are way too many results about Browning Firearmes.

Plink
March 4, 2007, 10:57 AM
Tinker, the difference between rust browning and rust bluing is boiling the metal to convert the iron oxide into hydrated iron oxide. I'm no chemist, but it turns the oxide a pleasing dark blue/black. You can do it with LMF solution but I've never tried. I use Mark Lee express blue for that. You heat the metal, apply the solution and it rusts. You boil the metal and card off the loose rust. It leaves behind a light grey color. After enough repetitions (8-10) it will have darkened to the most beautiful satin blue you've ever seen! It's the same finish they use on fine European doubles.

Dixie, using vinegar requires humidity and repetitions like regular rust browning. The humidity allows it to bite into the metal enough to create a stain, otherwise it just wipes off as you mentioned. It gives a more golden brown apparently. I believe this is what Austin & Halleck used on their mountain guns as they are golden brown and smelled strongly of vinegar when I received them.

There are several threads on browning solutions, including homemade at http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/fusionbb.php?referral/9048/
There's also a lot of great information on homemade stains and wood finishes there also. Check the gun builders section. I have made some of the vinegar based wood stains and they are really gorgeous. I don't think I'll be buying stain ever again!

Tinker2
March 4, 2007, 12:51 PM
Plink

My question is more.

“is actually more durable than any hot bluing!”

I have had all three. Assume please that what I have
is all the same in quality of work.

If one is more durable, I could not say.

I don’t shoot as much as I would like, so your experience
and opinion is appreciated.
Also is this durability just a blackpowder thing or also
smokeless powder too?

Thanks mike


Tinker2

Plink
March 5, 2007, 05:33 PM
Tinker, the durability aspect has to do with the depth of the finish in the metal. Hot bluing is a very thin oxide layer. That's why you can get a shiny polished hot blue finish. The thinner the finish, the easier it is to wear through it.

The rust processes are deeper and etch lightly into the metal. This is why they are all satin finishes. Even if you attempt to rust blue highly polished metal, it turns out with a silky, satin sheen in the end. Being deeper and thus more porous, they can hold more oil to resist corrosion better also.

Of course there are many variations on the rust blue/brown method, and some are more durable than others. My experiences have been mostly with LMF, Mark Lee and Pilkington's.

This isn't specific to black powder guns, but to the metal finish itself. I like to rust blue modern guns because it resists holster wear better, holds up in the field better, and well, it just looks better to me.

DixieTexian
March 6, 2007, 01:02 AM
Well, I did a google search looking for ways to brown a barrel using vinegar and salt or whatever, but the most relevant result I got was this thread. Anybody got a step by step process for us newbies using stuff that you might have around the house?

Plink
March 6, 2007, 02:05 AM
Dixie, I'd suggest using the search feature at muzzleloadingforum.com to look through posts in the gun builders section. There are a lot of posts on various browning methods, including homemade ones. You can also ask them for directions. There's some extremely knowledgeable folks there and they enjoy sharing info like that. It was from them that I got the tips on what to try.


I've tinkered with vinegar browning while trying to darken and even out the finish on Austin & Halleck rifles. I haven't done enough of it to offer much advice though. Basically, it's just a matter of degreasing the metal (Simple Green works fine), applying the vinegar and hanging the metal in a warm humid area until it has a thin layer of fine rust. Wipe off the powdery rust residue, rinse in hot water and reapply the vinegar. Repeat the humidity/carding/reapplying until you get a nice even finish. Rinse in baking soda water to neutralize, rinse in hot or boiling water to wash off all the chemicals, and oil well. I'd experiment on scraps a time or two first.

I didn't manage to get the color to match the rifles, but I haven't had the time to experiment much with the process either.

BP Tess
March 6, 2007, 09:22 PM
What happens to the inside of the barrel during these processes? I'm assuming that rust will also form inside there too! Should you plug up the barrel somehow or just keep brushing the rust out between dippings.:confused:

Old Dragoon
March 6, 2007, 10:56 PM
Plug both ends of the bbl. an oversize lead ball will work or Dowel rod stubs or fill the ends with wax,

Tinker2
March 7, 2007, 10:56 AM
Plink

Rust blue looks better to me too.

The use of hot salt bluing, was to me for economy of time
and money. The type of finish that I liked with the hot
salts is also the silky satin sheen.

I have used Belgian blue, the old rust blue type, and some
home brew stuff.

How did the LMF, Mark Lee and Pilkington's compare to each
other ? would you recommend one over the others?

Thanks

Tinker2

mykeal
March 7, 2007, 12:45 PM
Old Dragoon is right as regards any of the cold processes, but barrel plugs are not simple if you're using a hot process. Differential expansion and the effects of the heat on the plug are an issue.

I don't use plugs in either hot or cold processing and have had no problems with rusting the inside of the barrel. I'm quite careful, of course, not to get any solution inside the barrel.

However, I would imagine that simply swabbing the bore with a nylon brush and rust remover would get rid of any surface issues, and the impregnated layer is not a problem.

Plink
March 7, 2007, 07:27 PM
Tess, there are a couple of ways to protect the bore. Plugging is easy enough. I use silicone plugs and they stay put through the boiling if you push them in tight enough.

For rust browning, where you won't be boiling it constantly, you can just oil the bore and then be careful not to dribble any browning solution in it. The humidity used for rusting won't effect it in the short few hours it'll be exposed to it. After your final rinsing, dry thoroughly and oil and it's all good.

Austin & Halleck browned their bores as part of the process, yet they have some of the finest, slickest bores of any factory guns I've ever dropped a bore light into.

Tinker, I prefer LMF for browning over any of the hot browns I've tried. It comes out more even and nicer looking. It's easier to use too, at least to me.

As for bluing, Pilkington's gave nice results but it's a slow rust blue method. I tried Mark Lee on a whim and got almost identical results, but it's much faster. Both are very durable so there's no clear winner there. I don't mind slow rust browning, but since rust bluing has a boiling step for each repetition, I prefer the hot rusting method. Getting the tank boiling each time is a hassle I can do without. I think I'd give a slight edge to Pilkington's for beauty in strong sunlight, but they're so close that it'd be hard to call.

One thing I can definately recommend if you decide to rust blue. Use deionized water for boiling. I couldn't find it locally in stores, so I bought a cheap deionizer that's used for making clean water for aquariums. I think I paid $35 for it and it makes 50 gallons or so before needing new cartridges.

There's no doubt that the rust finishes are more durable, and in my opinion, far more beautiful. This does come at a cost though. They're very labor intensive to do properly. Rust bluing is a very expensive finish to have done for you, but very inexpensive to do yourself.

rifle
March 8, 2007, 02:09 AM
Some people swear by the "urine" or uric acid method. Go out in the shed and take a wizz on yer degreased metal they say! Old time browning solution they say. If someone wants to use something around the house I guess that would do it. Drink a few beers and get to browning the guns. :eek: I've never tried it since I get really good results with LMF browning/degreaser or Belgian Blue or Classic American Rust blue or Mark Lee products. All sold at Brownells. The Belgian blue makes a good black on cap&ball cylinders but leaves a real pleasing "patina" plum brown on barrels. Must be a different alloy used fer the barrels. I saw a rifle builder use the "Clorox" browning/aging method on a rifle barrel. Used an aluminum gutter off the house to boil a barrel in clorox water until it was a rusted mess and then carded it and it looked 150 years old. Plugged the barrel with hardwood dowels shaped and fit and then coated with shelac and once dried driven in the muzzle and nipple hole. Hershel House was the builder and the method was in his video about building the Hawken rifle. One method I like to use to age a cap&baller and give the antique look is to use cold blue. Gives the "aged but cared for" look. Mix 44/40 cold blue with a third or fourth diluted with Birchwood Casey cleaner degreaser. Swipe it on the degreased gun with steel wool a coupla times then use a soft cotton flannel folded into a inch size square and saturate it with the solution so it's damp(not overly wet) and play with the application to smooth and uniform it. The metal will turn dark blue. All metal doesn't turn blue. Some turns blackish blue being mostly black. Since the cold blue isn't extremely durable the gun will wear and give that look of a charcoal blued worn finish. At first the finish looks like a custom charcoal blue job. Perfectly uniform and beautiful. It wears kinda well but not like a hot caustic salts blue. Thing is...it can be left to wear and look antique with that blue/grey gun metal look or,almost as easy as wiping the gun off to clean it,refinished with the solution of 44/40 cold blue mixed with 1/3rd or 1/4th Birchwood Casey cleaner degreaser. I think it gives the look of an old Colt that was charcoal blued or Carbonia blued and aged for a hundred years of decent care without the excessive "rust". You know how some well cared for antiques look. There's a range of "antique" to guns from the blue and gun metal grey silvery look all the way to the other end of the spectrum where the gun is a piece of rusty crap. I've blacked guns with the "old motor oil" method. Heat the parts red hot and quench them in old motor oil. That burns carbon on the metal and hardens the metal too. Cylinders probably shouldn't be done that way but barrels and frames could be.

Plink
March 8, 2007, 03:20 PM
Rifle, it's funny that you should mention urine browning. I actually "browned" a stainless steel AMT .380 Backup that way once. The little gun used to eject cases back into my face. In one magazine full, it landed one in my shirt pocket, on top of my shooting glasses, and lodged one on top of my ear. After a burned nipple, singed eyebrow and reddened ear, I threw it down in disgust, and well... A few weeks later, I got to feeling guilty knowing that if someone discovered my desert shooting spot, they might find the little gun and do who knows what with it, so I went to rescue it. After cleaning and oiling, it has taken on a nice, permanent brown. So, it works even for stainless.

I can almost see how browning was invented. A mountain man takes a shot at a charging bear with his flinter. It misfires! After getting stomped and mauled, the mountain man throws down his rifle in disgust and hoses it down and heads off to heal up. Next season he stumbles across it, cleans it up and voila.

On a serious note, I'd highly suggest against heating the barrel red hot and quenching. That hardens the steel and can cause it to become brittle. Softer metals are more resilient and less likely to shatter under the stress of firing. When a soft barrel lets go, it splits. When a hardened one lets go, it fragments. The barrel makers use softer steel for a reason.

Tinker2
March 8, 2007, 03:49 PM
Plink & Rifle

I have read that the old Remington arms used that way
to blue their barrels.

The wizz way?

Tinker2

rifle
March 10, 2007, 01:15 AM
I'm going to try to post a pic here....pic fer BP Tess..... Here goes..... <a href="http://tinypic.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i16.tinypic.com/3yw7mok.jpg" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic"></a> Looks like it doesn't work.
Plink.....mentioning barrels heated and quenched....I was thinkin Cap&ball barrels....an alloy that is pretty soft and I doubt if one of those barrels can get too hard by quenching. I think they are made of that alloy called leadloy. Some kind of alloy steel that has lead in it to make it real "machinable". hee hee I'd say yer right though to avoid heating red and quenching. Why tempt fate. I guess I should retract that statement I made about oil blacking guns....unless one were to temper afterwards by heating to 700 degrees and letting the part air cool. Of course if you don;t have a furnace then how can you heat to 700? hee hee You can't use the color spectrum without polishing the metal and that would take the black off that was just put on. haa haa

rifle
March 10, 2007, 01:26 AM
http://i16.tinypic.com/3yw7mok.jpg I still can't get that danged picture to come up. I used tiny pic to post the pic. What's the deal? Anybody? What am I doing wrong? I'll post the pics at Voyforums Blackpowder Message board www.voy.com/60048/ then and if anyone(BP Tess) wants to see an antiqued Remington go there to see it. Thanks Buds and Budettes HEY.....IT WORKED! Whatta know. I'm a computer geek now.

rifle
March 10, 2007, 01:40 AM
http://i17.tinypic.com/4fyk520.jpg The other side.Wrong pic. That's a couple of simple tools I posted for a guy wanting to know how to peen hand springs into hands. I tried to cancell it but it keeps coming back. Anybody know how to cancell a picture?

rifle
March 10, 2007, 02:23 AM
http://i17.tinypic.com/2a6unmu.jpg The other side of the antiqued Remington. Whew! This computer stuff....

BP Tess
March 10, 2007, 09:09 AM
Nice pics y'all. Thanks "Rifle" on those last ones. The darker Brown really gives off a nice look. I think I may have to buy more guns so I can do different finishes to them!:D Decisions...decisions...

rifle
March 10, 2007, 10:40 AM
Thanks fer looking and compliment on the darker brown BPTess. That is no where near the actual dark brown from other "browning solution". The brown on the rifle barrels and furniture(trigger guards and butt plates and all) that I've done is perfectly uniform and a real chocolate brown. Remingtons look cool real dark. I saw an antigue Remington that sat in a mining shack in the wilds of Arizona for lots of decades. It had a fine grained rust covering it that was dark.
The Remington in the pics is my wifes. I did a trigger job to it to rid the creep and crunch from it and a lighter trigger pull fer the 90lbs aka "Junk Yard Dog) raised the front sight to hit POA with brass that can be seen good, renewed the forcing cone a little longer and wider for the slight looseness to the bolt and made sure it was concentric to the bore with a reamer and pilots,rehardened the trigger and hammer,freshed up the muzzle crown to make sure it was concentric with the bore(important for accuracy) opened the rear sight some and angled the sides of the "V" so light is not reflected back at the shooter from the sun, and probably some other stuff like tinker the timing and correcr the alignment of the chambers to the bore and ream the chambers to swag the ball the same size as the barrel groove diameter. Anywhooo....the gun looks old and used but....it's a shooter. haa haa haa The carved sun and rose on one side and the moon and stars on the other side of the grips was done by a guy that wanted me to get him started in raised carving. He did alright fer his first attempt. Yer right BP Tess. You need more guns to craft on. Cap&ball revolvers are addictive you know.:eek:

Plink
March 10, 2007, 05:33 PM
I think I may have to buy more guns so I can do different finishes to them!

Tess, that's the spirit! :)

Rifle, that finish looks great. It just smacks of well kept age.

rifle
March 11, 2007, 12:25 AM
Thanks Plink fer the compliment. Smacks of well kept age? Can't say the same about myself.

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