Best sniper caliber? Best sniper rifle?


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Machete
February 17, 2007, 09:20 PM
Eventually I'm going to want a good sniper rifle. I was wondering what do you guys recommend for caliber and best under 1000$ sniper rifle?

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CDignition
February 17, 2007, 09:28 PM
Under a grand?? You do realize USMC and Us Army only require 1 MOA out of their Issue weapons.

Most precision shooters I know would be totally dissatisfied with that.

You could go with a PSS, or a Savage and do pretty well....

What kind of optics are you looking at??... is the $1000 for the rifle only or the rifle and scope??

redneckrepairs
February 17, 2007, 09:32 PM
deffinatly either a mosin or an sks LOL .

JonB
February 17, 2007, 10:25 PM
I suspect that the distance you intend to shoot at will factor in as well. For example: if you want 2000 meters - then you want a .50 cal. But I don't think you'll find one of those for under a grand.

My Marlin 60 .22 is a helluva sniper rifle at 50 yards.

I suspect you're thinking in the 600-1000 meter/yard range right?

BsChoy
February 17, 2007, 10:25 PM
Looking for an under 1000.00 rifle...remington or savage as stated. The savage will run you 500.00, sink a little more into a better stock and get a 10x40 super sniper scope for 400.00. Its a start you'll probably upgrade later. And stick with 308...easy on the wallet and performs very well with the right bullets.

Deer Hunter
February 17, 2007, 10:37 PM
That Mosin worked just fine for Simo Häyhä.

redneckrepairs
February 17, 2007, 10:44 PM
That mosin has worked just fine for a lot more folks than that LOL It wouldnt be my choice for a top tier snipeing rig , but over the years a lot of graves disagree with me . It was posted in jest only because the run of the mill mosin today is a beater that is fun as hell , as is the sks . IMHO there is no serious option under 1k that is suitable . The rifles that are accurate enough wont take the abuse , and the rifles that will take the abuse are not accurate enough. Its all good for me tho since i cant shoot that good nor am i in condition to even try sniping anything rougher than prarie dogs LOL .

The Deer Hunter
February 17, 2007, 10:47 PM
Do you want to be a real precision shooter? Or are you looking for a generally good shooting rifle at 100-200 yds?

If your looking for a nice rifle get something like a Mosin, Remington 700, or a Tikka T3. From what I have heard the Mosin is still very accurate even though they are 60+ years old and are very common. The Remingtons and the Tikkas aren't as expensive as most 'sniper' rifles but are just about as accurate and will run you like $400-$600 for a good one.

I heard Mausers(milsurp) are good too but are a bit more collectible, harder to find and tend to cost as much as a new rifle, ~$200-$600(matching numbers are very expensive are ary very collectible)

I would have to say the best sniper round is the .308WIN.

Gord
February 17, 2007, 10:47 PM
The best sniper rifle caliber is the .32 H&R Magnum (which is a magnumized version of the originally used long range sniper round, the .32 ACP), and the best sniper rifle is the AH-64 Apache. Unfortunately, the Apache, due to its deadly range, is not civilian-legal.

Now, can anyone tell me what pistol the Special Forces use? None of the retired ones at my local gun shop could tell me. :(

Lupinus
February 17, 2007, 10:52 PM
Define "sniper"

If by sniper you mean you want to cover four holes with a silver dollar at 500 yards you might be up the chreek wihtout a paddle and a hole in the boat for your price.

If however you want to hit a melon at 500 yards most good hunting rifle will do just fine. Thats all a sniper rifle really is, a hunting rifle that is spiffed up, accurized a bit, and has a really good scope.

Get a 500 dollar hunting rifle, tweak it (bed it, float it, adjust trigger, etc.), and a really good scope and wham, there's your spiper rifle for under a thousand bucks.

That all changes if by sniper you mean competition and want 1moa at many hundreds of yards.

redneckrepairs
February 17, 2007, 10:52 PM
Special forces never used a pistol , they all halo'd into poon tayng valley with m 60s with the budweiser feed mod ( so the belts would not jam )to catch hanoy jane and ho chi min in thier love nest . Hope that helps you with your quest of armmiment bud .

I know this is true cause the fat guy in cammies at the gunstore told me so .

dispatch55126
February 17, 2007, 10:55 PM
The platform of choice is going to very as every rifle has its own feel and its the mechanics of shooting that are as, if not more, important with accuracy. As far as caliber, there are two proven sniper rounds that are still in use after almost a century, the .03-06 and 7.62x54R. Both rounds saw action before WWI and both rounds are still the round of choice in its respective military's sniper program. My suggestion if you are looking for "the" sniper rifle is to look at each round's ballistics at its optimum as handloading is almost a requirement, then find a rifle that is chambered for that round.

Gord
February 17, 2007, 10:57 PM
Can I get an M60 custom chambered in .45 then? As I understand it (the retired Special Forces guys at the gun shop confirm this) the 7.62x51 NATO falls far below the .45 in terminal performance.

Lupinus
February 17, 2007, 10:57 PM
left out caliber

for long range work .308WIN is going to be what you want to go with. A wide range of calibers will do long range work but .308 seems to have the best loadings availible and for add ons later is a good choice.

U.S.SFC_RET
February 17, 2007, 10:58 PM
There is a world of difference when it comes to Mosin Nagants. That's one area that you really need to practically get a college education in. Finland reworked and brought russian Mosin Nagants that they had either captured from an earleir war, traded from other countries or somhow come into their possesion up to their standards. Their standards at the time was second to none when it came to a rifle to the common soldier of theirs. The difference is like riding a Cadillac vs a Chevrolet Nova.

Lupinus
February 17, 2007, 11:09 PM
depending on the year I'd take the nova lol

270Win
February 17, 2007, 11:16 PM
For the Very Best... I might be tempted to vote Accuracy International in .338 Lapua.

DReicht
February 17, 2007, 11:16 PM
:what: Overkill;)

DogBonz
February 17, 2007, 11:23 PM
Go buy a Rem 700 used in 308 for $350 and buy the best scope that you can for $575 and a timney trigger with the remaining $75. Then save your pocket change in a big jar. When you can shoot better that that set-up, go and count the change in that jar. Then buy your self a Sako TRG or Accuracy International rifle and a US optics scope with the money in that jar. Spend the rest on ammo, or you kids college tuition.:neener:

I'm being sarcastic here to illustrate a point. Most folks spend a ton of cash on equipment and never put the time and effort into training. Buy the best that you can afford and practice, practice, practice.

PS. every dollar that you spend on a scope is worth 3 times its value if you spent it on the rifle. You can't hit what you can't see, or see well, that is.

Lupinus
February 17, 2007, 11:45 PM
PS. every dollar that you spend on a scope is worth 3 times its value if you spent it on the rifle.
Very true but consider what is practicle or not.

You can see it with a hundred dollar Bushnel just fine. Can you see it better with a 600 dollar scope? Well yeah it is likely to be clearer and brighters and what not. But the extra 500 might just be spent both on a slightly better rifle and ammo.

Now once you are talking about silver dollars at 500 yards sure thing, get that great really expensive scope. But there is practicalty as well IMO.

MJ
February 17, 2007, 11:49 PM
Yu can live with the trigger or tune it plus it can be replaced with the Sharpsooter trigger if you still think you need it. The 30-06 can be worked to 1000 yards with a heavy bullet. The case can hold 6g more powder than a .308 and thus drive a 175g bullet. Your in $450 and then you need a scope. The SWFWA or old Tasco SS with side focus for $350.This is a great scope and over looked by a lot of folks. $350. Now spend that last $200 for ARMS base and QD low 30mm rings. I have an older 110FP in .308 with a tuned trigger set at a crisp 5#a bit high but you have the shot so you learn it and be safe. I hear good things about the Sharpshooter trigger but I'm OK with what I have. The ARMS system lets me take the scope off for carry and remount with zero 99% the same. It will make cold shot with in 1" of where it shot last time out. I am looking for a 110FP in 30-06 myself.

Cheers
MJ

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DogBonz
February 17, 2007, 11:51 PM
Very true but consider what is practicle or not.

All I was trying to say it that I'm sick of seeing people with a $1200 rifle with $69 BSA scope wondering why every few shots their POI moves 3 feet. I just feel the the vast majority of people (especially me) would be better served by an average rifle with superior glass, than by a superior rifle with average glass.

Ala Dan
February 17, 2007, 11:52 PM
Caliber: .308 Winchester

Rifle: Remington model 700 40X

Lupinus
February 18, 2007, 12:03 AM
All I was trying to say it that I'm sick of seeing people with a $1200 rifle with $69 BSA scope wondering why every few shots their POI moves 3 feet. I just feel the the vast majority of people (especially me) would be better served by an average rifle with superior glass, than by a superior rifle with average glass.

Oh I understand that all to well. Simply saying some people also think slapping a several hundred dollar dollar leopold on their decent rifle will make them great shots. You can see it all day long if you don't know how to hit it it wont matter much is all.

rangerruck
February 18, 2007, 12:55 AM
if you are looking for say, 600 yds or less, then a Savage in 308, with some nice glass will do you very well. Id' go with a 26 inch bbl. You can look in Savage master catalog and put one together. for over that distance, you may wanna look at a 7mm rem mag, or what the bench shooters shoot, something in 6.5-284. All the 1000yd guys shoot a bullet in the 6.5 to 7mm range for the 1000 yd crossing, with heavy bullets 140 to `160 grains. You may be able to put something like the 7mm with savage, don't know if they do a 6.5-284 chambering.
if you go here, you will see the new world record 1000 yd group is 2.87 inches, shot with a 7mm wsm.
http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html

TheDisturbed1
February 18, 2007, 01:03 AM
I've seen the Romanian PSL go for around $850 on Atlantic... the availability might be a problem.

but a rifle like that in the 7.62x54R round would be fantastic in this weather that the lower 48 has been plagued with...

DReicht
February 18, 2007, 01:25 AM
You're asking an impossible question, there are simply too many variables with the near limitless conditions you set :(

ReadyontheRight
February 18, 2007, 01:49 AM
You should get into competitive shooting.

Find a local range that hosts matches. See what they all shoot and buy the same. If you express your interest to the folks who do the work to put on the events, I bet they might even lend you a rifle to try.

High Power and Service Rifle Match shooters = The Best Folks in the World.

MrDig
February 18, 2007, 02:05 AM
The Military M50 and M24's are Rem 700's all tricked out so uncle sugar daddy pays extra for them with our money.
As previously stated get a Savage 110FP on 30-06 if you can find one. If not get a Savage 10FP in .308 Add a BiPod for support if you like but the best bet is to use bags and other things to support it. Most if not all "Snipers" don't use BiPods.
No advice for scopes as my opinion would low ball the scope and while I would be satisfied with it you would not.
After you put a good Scope on it learn to reload as you will not get consistent results and accuracy otherwise. Unless you pay through the nose for hand loaded ammo or for High end Factory ammo.

ArchAngelCD
February 18, 2007, 05:05 AM
My "sniper" rifle is a 1917 Winchester Enfield which was sportized (is that a word?) This rifle is chambered in 30-06 has a Leopold base and rings and a $200 Nikon Buckmaster scope. You can spend even less for a Nikon Prostaff if you want to lower the price even more. The rifle, scope, base and rings cost me $395, the sling was $25 and the hard case was another $39. I would say $460 is well under $1000. My scope is only a 3-9X40 but for another $100 or so you can get a 4-12X50 or a 6-18X40 for ~$150 more since you want a "sniper" rifle.

oregonhunter
February 18, 2007, 05:33 AM
what are you going to be sniping, are you going to go snipe hunting. I would get an ltr in .308

koja48
February 18, 2007, 09:54 AM
There are a variety of capable calibers including 06 & 308, just as there are a variety of rifles . . . Savage would work as would many others. The key is in good optics and practice, practice, practice. My personal preference would be the 06.

CDignition
February 18, 2007, 11:10 AM
You could spend a few dollars more and go with something like this:

Precision Ar10, US Optics SN3, .308 Cal. Armalite upper and lower built by GA Precision ..will only run you about $5k..;)


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koja48
February 18, 2007, 11:30 AM
Nice!

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