[.cheese.]

I bought a new Glock 22 today (already own one and wanted a second).

Although this time, one of the mags was a regular mag, but the other one has a very weak spring and on the back it says, "RESTRICTED LE/GOVT ONLY".

Lists it's date of manufacture as 9.13.94

So, I'm wondering if this Glock 22 has been sitting at the gun store for the last 12 years, or if there was a mistake in packing the mags at the factory?

I'll call Glock tomorrow and ask for them to replace the mag.

[CountGlockula]

What's the reciever generation version?

Does it have finger grooves? With finger grooves it's the third gen.

My guess is it's a second gen.

[.cheese.]

I compared it side by side with my other Glock 22, and it seems to be identical, same mostly supported chamber (newer chamber), etc. So, I guess the mag is a fluke.

I'll call Glock to send me a replacement.

[.cheese.]

Nope. Third Gen with finger grooves.

[Reyn]

All my recent mags have 9-13-94. This is on 2 G20s. A .357sig and a G22. The G20s were bought new in 06 and it says 9-13-94 on the mags.

[gudel]

I think you got ripped off by the dealer. Contact the dealer first.

[.cheese.]

Just noticed it's missing the cleaning rod and cleaning brush too.

[doubleg]

He threw in a trashy mag to make what you bought look like a better deal. Not very honest but a minor issue not much you can do.

[.cheese.]

Glocks usually come with 2 mags standard.

the first mag was a regular mag. The second is the one in question.

and the lack of cleaning rod/brush p's me off.

ETA: This was a new gun.

[doubleg]

These are very trivial difficulties. All of your problems can be solved with 30$.

[.cheese.]

Factory test rounds were fired/collected October 16, 2006 - so it is a recently manufactured gun.

Something is fishy though.

I've bought 5 guns through this dealer and never had a problem. I'm assuming this was a Glock packaging problem.

I'm calling Glock and saying I want a new cleaning rod and brush, and 2 brand new mags.

And if they want me to ship back the two that came with it, fine. I don't trust either at this point with how this gun was packaged.

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE Glock..... but this one incident has me ticked off.

[.cheese.]

These are very trivial difficulties. All of your problems can be solved with 30$.

True, but I just am a man who expects what he pays for. For $500, I want EVERYTHING that is supposed to come with it.

[CountGlockula]

OK, let me get this straight. So your NEW Glock came with:

1. Manual
2. Gun
3. Two mags (one LEO-law enforcement only mag)

You're missing:
1. Two empty fired casings that came in an envelope
2. Nylon brush
3. Cleaning Rod
4. Magazine loader
5. Safety lock?

Gun owner went through your stuff.

[.cheese.]

OK, let me get this straight. So your NEW Glock came with:

1. Manual
2. Gun
3. Two mags (one LEO-law enforcement only mag)

You're missing:
1. Two empty fired casings that came in an envelope
2. Nylon brush
3. Cleaning Rod
4. Magazine loader
5. Safety lock?

Gun owner went through your stuff.

Fortunately it's not quite that bad.

Came with:
1. Gun
2. Envelope with manual
3. 2 mags (1 labeled "7" at the top and the other is older LE mag with weak spring.
4. Fired casings dated Oct 16, 2006
5. Magazine loader
6. Safety lock

So all I'm missing is a regular mag, and the cleaning rod and brush. It's not much, but still I just get annoyed when an expensive object is missing stuff.

It's like buying a top of the line car but it is missing the radio and power windows. Minor things, but still enough to tick you off.

[.cheese.]

better example

It's like buying a brand new LF Surefire flashlight that is missing the batteries and the landyard.

[CountGlockula]

I hope you get your stuff. That's just not right, especially when you put down some nice hard earned cash.

[universal]

Your LE mag may not be that old. The date in question just means that it was made after that date. The 9/13/94 is the date of the Assault Weapons Ban. All high cap mags made between 9/94 and 9/04 for use in the U.S. were marked that way.

[10 Ring Tao]

Your dealer took out the accessories and new mags to sell later.

Happens all the time, because it is just too easy/tempting with the case having to be opened anyway to log the gun in. Always know what you should be getting, and check your case before you leave the building.

A dealer tried to rip me off for $75 worth of chokes one time. I made sure they were there before I left, and definitely haven't been back.

[Reyn]

I agree with Universal. I checked and all my magazines to all my Glocks have the 9-13-04. This includes my new ones.

[.cheese.]

This is the first one I've seen that has it.

I have something like 40+ mags.

Weird.

Also the top is numberd "5" while most of my other ones are "7" or "8" which I assumes generation number.

[Texshooter]

I think the dealer is playing games, and ahole games at that.

Call Glock, if for no other reason than letting them know about this person.

[.cheese.]

You might be right.

I can't be sure.

The mag does seem to be unused (I took it apart and looked for powder residue or any signs that it's been cleaned. I think it's just weak from being an older generation (5) mag.

and I'm wondering if perhaps if it is their fault, maybe the cleaning rod/brush fell out at some point and they didn't notice, because I know from asking in the past that they don't stock/sell Glock cleaning rods/brushes nor the Glock tool (I had to go somewhere else to get a couple of them a few weeks ago).

So far this dealer has been very good to me, and they even recently just gave me a Glock 27 brand new for free (they had already written up the bill for a bunch of 22 and 23 mags, and when I asked to add a 27 mag, they said, "Rather than rewrite the bill, here you go." and handed it to me.

The G22 itself also seems entirely unused as the copper grease is untouched.

So, it could be them, or it might have been a small fluke at the Glock packaging area (new guy maybe or something).

I hear Glock customer service is great, so I'm pretty sure they'll take care of this quickly.

In the meantime, I have at least 17 Glock 22 mags I can use to take it to the range. :)

[Master Blaster]

A couple years ago I had a problem with my NIB G34, misfeeding. I called Glock and they told me it was the followers used in the 10 round mags it came with.

I asked that they send me some 17 rounders to replace them with since it was Dec 2004 and the AWB had expired.

I recieved 6 magazines marked LE only Sept. 13, 1994. All appeared to be new Magazines. I consider them to be a collector item. So maybe Glock has a warehouse full of these mags, and they are including them as a collectors item with your gun.

[CountGlockula]

Since you couldn't get access to their site, here's their telephone number: 770-432-1202.

Be patient when they transfer you to the right person. Also, if you leave a message, they WILL call you back.

[.cheese.]

Called Glock at 8AM when they opened (I've been up since 5 AM). They told me that it would not have come from their factory and that the gun shipped with 2 regular mags and the cleaning rod/brush and that there is a 5 stage inspection process to ensure everything is in order.

They say it was either the distributor, or the dealer who messed things around.

Nonetheless, they said that they would make things right. They're sending me a new spring for the weird mag that has the weak spring and a cleaning rod/brush.

They also said if I'm still not happy with the mag, to send it to them and they'll replace it with a regular new mag.

That's good customer service there. :)

[berettashotgun]

Have you talked with the dealer?
Kept re-reading this post and didn't see where you have went to the dealer and discussed the troubles your having.
Start at the front of the problem- it might get taken care of, besides, if the guy once gave you a free mag he might just be a decent fella'.

[GunNut]

Glock will take care of you, but I agree with others that this is a dealer problem.

The parts and right mag either accidentally fell out and he just happened to have a older G22 mag laying close by that he put back in the box.

I'd ask the dealer to make it right, it's not that much money and he should have sold you a completely new gun with all of the accessories.

Steve

[CountGlockula]

You should've also requested some Glock goodies: Keychains, '07 Annual magazine, stickers, lanyards, etc.:)

[.cheese.]

I didn't mention it, but the first thing I did was call the dealer.

He claimed that he sold it to me exactly how it came to him.

Whether he's full of it or not, I don't know. I've never had a problem with them before, but at least Glock is taking care of this.

The gun did seem new though, the copper paste didn't seem to have been touched.

[GunNut]

Sounds like it is being taken care of.


Lesson learned: Next time check it out good before you pay the dealer and walk out the door.:neener:

Steve

[vynx]

Glock service is great - I was going to advise you to just phone glock.

I bought a used G22 and it was missing the manual, brush, rod and loader - when I asked about buying them Glock said not necessary we'll ship them to you free.

They didn't ask any question other than where to send them.

[Master Blaster]

You know it almost sounds like you got a grey market Glock. Not sure if there is such a thing. But imagine a LE department orders 100 glocks and they dont come with the standard stuff to keep costs down. So they decide they dont need 50 of them and call a distributor to sell them. The distributor adds two magazines, and doesnt bother with the rest of the stuff that would be in a normal box.

Did you give Glock the serial number and ask if it was part of a special contract or run??

Just a thought

[.cheese.]

Glock originally was going to send me a replacement spring for the magazine, but I called today and said that for legal reasons I didn't feel that it was wise for me to have a magazine that says LE/GOVT on it.

When I spoke to the Glock rep the other day he said if I wanted, let him know and he'd swap out the magazine for me.

Today though, the rep I spoke to said he couldn't do that. Transferred me to the supervisor who basically yelled at me over the phone about me being paranoid.

Wouldn't replace the mag until I was about to give up arguing and finally told me to overnight the mag and he'd replace it.

According to him there's nothing wrong with the mag and they ship lots like it.

All I know is I'm not law-enforcement or government and I don't want some ATF agent or DA getting on my case about it some day - and the spring is weak.

I'm shocked that I got yelled at though.

[.cheese.]

the more I think about how I was treated over the phone, the angrier I am getting.

"Glock Perfection"

I'm not LE or Govt. so if I kindly asked for what was already offered to me: to have the mag swapped out with one that does not say that, why was I chastised?

What was perfect about that?

AWB sunset aside, it was explained that they still send out these older mags that say "Restricted LE/GOVT only" - to anybody. That doesn't seem like it puts their customers in a good position.

It's already well established that the ATF will make your life difficult however possible, so it would seem my request was reasonable.

Their customer service should be striving to achieve perfection with their customers, especially with simple requests like mine. This is my fourth Glock, and I have probably nearly a grand worth of mags alone, so to be criticized over the phone, belitted, and treated so rudely - that's just not cool.

I'm just shocked.... I suppose.

I don't hate Glock or anything. I don't like the way I was treated at all though.

[halvey]

AWB sunset aside, it was explained that they still send out these older mags that say "Restricted LE/GOVT only" - to anybody. That doesn't seem like it puts their customers in a good position.

You are being paranoid. The AWB is dead (for now). If there's an AWB2, the mags will be listed with the new date. Glock did nothing wrong. Your dealer is a bum. "It came to me that way." B-S. He's a dealer and should know what's in the case.

[CountGlockula]

Contact Glock again and advise that dudes' manager. Customers don't deserve to be "yelled at" from a customer service rep.

But you must take account, that it's a customer service rep's job is to deal with complaints 24-7.

If I were you, I'd just destroy the LE/Gov mag and just buy a regular (legal) one.

[halvey]

Destroy it? Why? It's legal.

[.cheese.]

Halvey - the guy at Glock said that they still have tens of thousands of those mags left and are still enclosing them with guns they ship. In fact, the guy before him said that some of their operations still manufacture them like that. So it seems likely now that it actually did really come to him with that.

[CountGlockula]

In some states (NY, Mass, CA, etc.) having a 10+ round mag is illegal.

And if a civilian own any firearm items that says "Law Enforcement/Government Only" it could turn into some bad karma.

Just my opinion.

[.cheese.]

Exactly my fear.

It's like: anti-gunners already demonize anything that says AR-15, but we buy them anyways.

How would you feel about buying an AR-15 if instead of saying just AR-15, it said, "AR-15 Rapid-Fire Capable Assault Weapon, For Military Use Only."

All of a sudden, you have a bit of a liability on your hands.

That's how I feel about my brand new "Civilian" mag saying "RESTRICTED LE/GOVT USE ONLY"

[CountGlockula]

Best to be safe dude!

[GeorgiaGlocker]

Of course he didn't touch the copper paste because it's hard to sell. :neener: Seriously, someone screwed you. :fire: The little numbers on top of the followers should be in the 5, 6, 7 to 8 range. The higher the number the newer the follower. There is a thief somewhere in the pipeline.

[.cheese.]

Most of mine are 8 or 7. I have probably 2 6's and this was the only 5 I've seen.

Anyways - it's shipped with a letter explaining that I take the slogan "Glock Perfection" very seriously.

The mag thing seems like it was legit from what Glock told me.

The brush and rod are another story, but the dealer doesn't sell that stuff, so it probably wasn't him. If anything, maybe the distributor. Or maybe it really just left the factory without a brush or rod.

The time I called in and spoke to a polite guy (the first time), I was informed though that what my dealer had told me was rubbish. The dealer said to only use the Glock nylon brush and polymer rod to clean my Glocks because anything else will damage it. I believed him for some reason, even though I had a hard time imagining that the metal could be that soft.

Apparently that's rubbish, so it's time to invest in a quality .40 cal cleaning kit.

I really do hope Glock clears up this mag. I don't care so much about the cleaning rod and brush considering I already have 3 of them.

Mags are $22 for me though, so it would be a shame to have that not work out.

[daysleeprx]

Transferred me to the supervisor who basically yelled at me over the phone about me being paranoid.

I'm inclined to agree with him...

I (and I'm sure MANY people on this board) own mags marked LE only. I've SOLD firearms to LEOs with marked mags. I've never had any of them blink at that.

[universal]

You really have nothing to worry about with the LE magazine.

[tydephan]

1.) The Dealer - Seems like he is a tool. The mere fact that he wouldn't just swap it out for you suggests that he is a tool, whether it was intentionally removed prior to the sale or not. I would give him another shot, and if he refuses to swap it, then take your business elsewhere.

2.) The Glock Rep - There is never any reason a customer should be yelled at by a representative. Call a supervisor and report him.

3.) The LE Magazine - This magazine is certainly legal to own (at least in my state). I worry not about them. It is as legal to own as an AR-15. Why not own it, if it is legal? Karma be danged! But do as you please. If it makes you feel uncomfortable, by all means get one without the "bad karma" words printed on it.

Good luck to you. Hope you find an appropriate resolution!

[JN01]

There are a whole lot of 1911s and other guns marked "US Government Property". I wouldn't sweat the markings, but they should provide you with a magazine that works properly.

[denfoote]

They say it was either the distributor, or the dealer who messed things around.


My guess would be the dealer.
During the early days of the ban, gunshops recognized that the price of standard capacity mags was going to go way up, so they went through and stripped all the guns for their mags and replaced them with 10 rounders!!! :eek:

The full capacity mags would then magically appear on the shelf with an outrageous price attached. ;) :rolleyes:

Perhaps, in anticipation of part two, the dealer pulled a fast one.
I would bet that your mag has been "returned to stock"!!! :scrutiny:

[Seven High]

I wonder if the dealer didn't accidentally give you the wrong box for your new weapon. I suggest that you check the serial number of yor weapon against the serial number on the box. I have seen this happen numerous times at gun dealers.

[CountGlockula]

TheEconomist is getting a lot of love!;)

[.cheese.]

I wonder if the dealer didn't accidentally give you the wrong box for your new weapon. I suggest that you check the serial number of yor weapon against the serial number on the box. I have seen this happen numerous times at gun dealers.

That was my first thought. I checked it then. It is the right box actually.

[DoubleTapDrew]

The last time I bought a used G23 from a dealer it came with 1 mag. I had them throw in another to seal the deal (both 13 rounders). They weren't marked LE. Now I know where they come from :neener:
I think the dealer (or possibly the distributor, but don't they usually come sealed to the dealer?) either tried to pull a fast one, or another employee there pilfered your box for another customer and forgot (or just decided not to) replace the items. I would find it hard to believe it left the Glock factory with an old worn out mag (and it takes a LOT to wear out a glock mag) and missing the brush.