What guns to invest in?


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Bigjake
February 20, 2007, 11:29 AM
As the new AWB looms, I was thinking seriously about selling a bit of stock and investing in guns.

Specifically the m1919 .30 cal brownings converted over to semi, and possibly a big .50, such as a barrett or LAR.

Looking for input here, other ideas, whathave you. I've got between 5-10k to play with, and I'd like to hear what y'all think would be the best way to re-invest that in guns.

PS- Not really interested in old brownings/winchesters. I already have some, and like them too much to consider them investments. Despite their value, I'm just way to attached to every sell them.

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arthurcw
February 20, 2007, 11:35 AM
Invest in guns that:

a) Will save your life
b) You enjoy shooting
And
c) You enjoy owning.

Do a search. There are many others who have said more eloquently than I can that guns as a monetary hedge are not the best idea.

shield20
February 20, 2007, 11:48 AM
If your looking for things that may be banned, then the obvious choices are ARs, AKs, M1As, SKS, Grip Defense shotguns, (Benelli M1-M4, Remington tacticals, etc), hi cap mags of ALL sorts, any semi battle rifles like SARs, HKs etc. you may come across, esp those with "evil" features.

If you are looking to make money - war relics such as M1s, Carbines, '03s, Johnsons, Krags, Colt 45s etc are a GREAT choice that have gone up up up for 50 yrs., and show no sign of slowing down. Tough field to manage though - you have to know your stuff!

.45Guy
February 20, 2007, 12:15 PM
K31. Call me crazy, but I see their value going the same way as Swedes.

Robert Hairless
February 20, 2007, 02:02 PM
Be sure to invest that money in guns that won't be seized after they're banned. My guess is that the best way to predict what will be allowed is to see what's allowed now in England and Australia.

DogBonz
February 20, 2007, 02:13 PM
Probably the most bang for the buck

Bigjake
February 20, 2007, 05:34 PM
I have no experience in the "build your own AR" department. Is it that difficult? Is there that much to be saved in buying AR components and assembling them?

1KPerDay
February 20, 2007, 05:35 PM
Full-autos.;)

For 10K you could probably buy... 1 or 2.

DogBonz
February 20, 2007, 05:45 PM
Is it that difficult?

Especially the lower. If you want to assemble the upper you will need a few special tools, but they are fairly inexpensive.

Will you save money... well thats up to you. Thing is that when you start building, you can use inexpensive parts, or if you are like me, you get to thinking that "well, I'm doing the work anyway... whats a few more bucks".
In either case you will end up with a better rifle for the money than if you would have bought it out right, and it is a great learning experience. Just try order all all of your parts at one time and from the same place because shipping can quickly eat away at any saving gained from building.

Or, you can always buy lowers now, and assemble them as you go, and then just buy a complete upper, drop it on your lower, and go shooting. Thats what I did with my Grendel. I built the lower the way that I wanted it, and dropped on a new, ready to go upper.

punkkin
February 20, 2007, 10:29 PM
If you believe that a ban is coming...then probably ar lowers and magazines.

ssr
February 20, 2007, 10:44 PM
It's a risky "investment". You don't know what will come and what form it will take (registering, grandfathering, confiscation, no transferring, etc). I collect guns because I like collecting guns. I invest for my future in the market.

That being said, I also believe in buying right now. I believe diversification is the key. Buy as much of as many different kinds of "assault weapons" as you can. And buy lots of high cap mags. I would buy, though, not as an investment, but just so I could get what I can while I can.

Ala Dan
February 20, 2007, 10:50 PM
But, I would say anything that the grabbers tie to the word "ASSAULT"- :uhoh:

And, a good quanity of small frame handguns; mainly the 5 and 6 shot
snub nose revolvers; and small semi-auto's such as Seecamps and KEL
TEC's. ;) :D

GreenFurniture
February 20, 2007, 10:53 PM
Any NFA item you can afford.


And in the semi world:

AR15, AK47, FAL, PS90, FS2000, M1A and every other 'evil' rifle.

Oh, and plenty of high capacity magazines for each of your toys.

Neo-Luddite
February 20, 2007, 11:19 PM
I think it is a poor investment strategy to worry about 'the ban' that may or may not be coming down the pike for the sake of speculation. It serves the enemy. If you're buying for your own future needs and desires go for it. The ban may come and you should have what you want and need.

If it were me, I would buy name brand and high quality ANYTHING.
AR's are the flavor of the new age and everybody and his brother makes them. Many are made with Chi com parts and really suck in terms of fit and 'solid' feel. The homemade builds can be awesome if done by someone that knows how to do it. I've thought about building one myself just for the fun, but I don't have the money to expend. My thing is the Garand and, for what it's worth, they can make great investments too.

So for my money, by nice medium end finished AR's and quality ammo and mags. You could probably get a deal and buy a dozen for the funds you are talking about.

If the ban (hear me G-D) never sees the light of day--you can start a drill team with really wicked parade rifles:evil: .

And as far as .50 BMG goes--in the future the special purpose ammo around right now will likely increase in value as it will never be made again. If legal for you to have, some APIT .50 BMG or others SP stuff might be worth investing in. The rifles may be around for a long time to come, but the military ammo surely will not.

telomerase
February 20, 2007, 11:21 PM
I think you're on the money with the .50s, though the guy telling you to get what you'll actually shoot is right.

joe4702
February 20, 2007, 11:21 PM
Sheit man, throwing in the towel already? j/k;)

Soybomb
February 20, 2007, 11:25 PM
You're first assuming that there will be a ban, a ban that will allow grandfathering, and will allow private transfers. The anti's consider grandfathering a reason the AWB didn't work, rest assured they'll try to avoid it. If thats not possible they would try to say no private transfers. So you're already putting a gamble on not just a ban but a specific type of ban and its allowances.

I think you'd be better to keep your money in stocks. Assuming you're averaging at least 10% returns a year on average that works out pretty well compounded over time. Are you fairly certain that your $10k worth of guns could be sold for $15k in 4 years? If your investments are sound they have a good chance of it.

Skibane
February 20, 2007, 11:51 PM
My vote would be for milsurp firearms that will increase in value simply due to the fact that they aren't manufactured anymore. Plus, if you pick the right ones, they'll also fall under the next "assault weapon" ban, thereby further increasing their value - an investment two-fer! :D

One obvious example would be SKS rifles - Interesting military history, have been out of production for almost 50 years, and the mere sight of one is enough to make Dianne Feinstein physically ill. At current prices, $5-10K would buy you enough of them to equip a small army!

Note that ammunition is another possible target of gun control legislation - which might also make it a worthwhile investment.

Zen21Tao
February 21, 2007, 01:12 AM
Just go to the Brady web page, look up the guns they hate the most, and buy three of each. :D

I agree with others that suggest buying AR recievers. They are VERY easy to build and all you will need is a cheap punch set from Wal-mart or Sears and a stock wrench you can find easily online. Also, for other AWB affected weapons (and Brady hated weapons) you may want to look at AK, SKS, Saiga, FN FAL, HK 91/G3 or CETME, Ruger Mini 14, Uzi, Tec-9, Mac 10/11, FN PS90, FN FS 2000, FN Five-seveN, Sig 556, S&W 500, S&W 460, Calico, and any .50 cals. I especially like the FAL and HK 91/G3.

Also, if you state allows it, look into NFA stuff. Pehaps suppressors, Short Barreled rifles, AOWs, etc. Also, full-autos are great but are very expensive. The cheap end starts around $3.5K-$5K+ with Mac 10/11s.

MatthewVanitas
February 21, 2007, 01:25 AM
I'll say again: guns are not a good financial instrument.

Their prices, like those of artwork, are subject to whim and fad.

Unlike artwork, they are subject to completely unpredictable legal changes that could ZERO your portfolio with the stroke of a pen.


Buy guns because you like having them, but buying them as a long-term investment is not a good idea, particularly if you're selling 10%/yr or even 5%/yr investments to buy them.


-MV

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