Romney team defends timing of NRA membership


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paramedic70002
February 20, 2007, 11:35 AM
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/02-07/02-20-07/02state-region.htm

Romney team defends timing of NRA membership
The Associated Press

BOSTON — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who presents himself as a staunch ally of gun owners, said he joined the National Rifle Association just months before announcing his candidacy.
Romney said Sunday during an interview on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" that he'd signed up for a lifetime membership with the NRA "within the last year." Romney spokesman Kevin Madden told The Boston Globe the former Massachusetts governor's joined the NRA in August, and that the decision was not a ploy to attract conservative voters.
"He joined the NRA because, like millions of Americans, he supports the group's advocacy of the Second Amendment and its commitment to education programs promoting the safe use of firearms by law-abiding citizens," Madden said. "I would argue not many Americans care when you join, but why you join, and I think I've made that clear."
Romney has publicly opposed NRA-supported measures, including during his unsuccessful run for the Senate in Massachusetts in 1994. Romney then told the Boston Herald he supported tough gun control laws such as the assault rifles ban and the Brady law.
"That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA. I don't line up with a lot of special interest groups," he said at the time.
After forming his presidential campaign exploratory committee in January, Romney toured a hunting and outdoor trade show in Orlando, Fla., with NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre. Romney reminisced about shooting rabbits during his boyhood days and said, "I'm proud to be among the many decent, law-abiding men and women who safely use firearms."
Some conservatives already have raised questions about Romney's shift to the right on issues such as abortion and gay rights during the second half of his single term as Massachusetts governor.

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Geno
February 20, 2007, 11:39 AM
As presented, "Romney then told the Boston Herald he supported tough gun control laws such as the assault rifles ban and the Brady law".

Well, he will not get my vote, NRA member of not.

Doc2005

Biker
February 20, 2007, 11:42 AM
Well, he joins the NRA and denounces abortion at a politically expediant time.
Pure coincidence folks...

Biker;)

Duncan223
February 20, 2007, 11:44 AM
I will not vote for an anti-gun candidate, but in light of the reconquista of America, I also will not vote for a pro-illegal alien/amnesty candidate. :cuss:

Biker
February 20, 2007, 11:49 AM
Just to be clear, the abortion issue is in and of itself not important to me either way. Romney's attempt to re-invent himself is.

Biker

PotatoJudge
February 20, 2007, 12:04 PM
"He joined the NRA because, like millions of Americans, he supports the group's advocacy of the Second Amendment and its commitment to education programs promoting the safe use of firearms by law-abiding citizens"

When you support laws banning guns, "by law abiding citizens" means "but not really."

glummer
February 20, 2007, 12:14 PM
PJ
When you support laws banning guns, "by law abiding citizens" means "but not really."
Very true. It’s a communication problem I have pondered unsuccessfully.
What do you call the otherwise-law-abiding citizens in “oppressed” locations who own guns in violation of the law? NYS estimates 1-2 million "illegal" guns in NYC; obviously, most of them are not being used to commit crimes.
We need a useful substitute for “law-abiding.”

GEM
February 20, 2007, 12:21 PM
Pretty boy sleaze bucket, IMHO.

Saying you are for guns but for the AWB is a crucial indicator of hypocrisy and NOT understanding the RKBA issue at all. It's a statement written by a press hack to get votes from gun nuts and scared soccer moms at the same time.

His alternating views on abortions and gays speak to his venial nature. I can disagree with your views but respect you, if you have a logical position. When you pander - we don't need you.

fspitzdorf
February 20, 2007, 12:25 PM
He's no friend of anyone who cares about their rights... especially 2nd amendment rights.... Personally, i'd like to see the NRA reject his membership along with a public statement of why... We don't need any wolves in sheep's clothing running around to pray on the sheeple... there is enough of that as it is...

Lone_Gunman
February 20, 2007, 12:33 PM
All I need to know about Romney is that the people of Massachussets elected him governor.

hrgrisso
February 20, 2007, 12:44 PM
If it all comes down to Romney, Guiliani, McCain, Obama or the Hildabeast... I have to be honest, support of the Gun Ban or not, I'll take Romney.

Something to consider among this mixed bag people. At least Romney is paying lip service to 2nd Amendment Rights. As opposed to EVERY OTHER Candidate outright opposition to them.

Just a thought.

JWarren
February 20, 2007, 12:45 PM
I've heard all my life from the old guys where I grew up:

"Never trust a Massachussets politician with your guns."


Sometimes statements like that are more wisdom than pages of debate.

Good enough for me...


John

hksw
February 20, 2007, 01:29 PM
Hahahaha. That guys is a true politician, 125%.

Handyman
February 20, 2007, 07:40 PM
Face it people , you're never going to have the perfect candidate for potus . Some people here talk about not wanting to vote for the lesser of 2 evils . Some say they will vote for some libertarian or not even vote at all . Well , get real , a libertarian is not going to win so why throw your vote away . Maybe by throwing your vote away or not voting you will be helping to elect Hillery or even worse Obama .
Voting for the lesser of 2 evils IMO is the best we can expect .
Romney may not be everything you would like but at least he did join the NRA . Have any of the other candidates done that ?

tele mark
February 20, 2007, 08:37 PM
I live here in Mass. Trust me (I'm not running for office) -- You Don't Want To Vote For Romney!!!!!

hrgrisso
February 20, 2007, 08:45 PM
Curiosity:
You don't back up your thought. I have always found it difficult to agree with anyone who says "trust me::rolleyes: and doesn't tell me why I should.

While I am cautious of any politician who makes a politically expedient stand on an issue close to an election, what makes Romney's move so dangerous? Would you rather have McCain or Guiliani who have made their disdain for the RKBA plain? Just a question, I welcome your response, or anyone else's for that matter.

MD_Willington
February 20, 2007, 08:46 PM
Contact the NRA and have them drum him out, if they keep him as a member then the NRA is no better than the politicians and the NRA is just taking your money.

Standing Wolf
February 20, 2007, 09:10 PM
I'd sooner vote for a communist than a RINO: at least the communist is honest about his hatred of America.

hksw
February 20, 2007, 09:18 PM
Romney may not be everything you would like but at least he did join the NRA .

And when the next bill comes up to ban something after an incident that could have/should have been prevented by a number of current laws, he'll make a big deal in front of the cameras of sacrificing his LIFE MEMBERSHIP TO THE NRA by cutting up his card and pass the bill for the safety of the people and the children and not be pressured by the gun lobby.

Art Eatman
February 20, 2007, 09:22 PM
There's talk that the upcoming Presidential campaign will see the spending of around a billion dollars.

I bet that salaries of some staff to monitor blogs is gonna be part of that, particularly after l'affaire Zumbo.

And I'll bet that Romney, like Giuliani, is becoming more aware of our attitudes, day by day.

:), Art

JWarren
February 20, 2007, 09:46 PM
As an NRA member, I personally do not thing they should have ACCEPTED his membership while he is still supporting any gun control legislation such as the AWB.

I am offended that he is able to claim any kinship to those that support the 2A.

John

K3
February 20, 2007, 09:55 PM
Very true. It’s a communication problem I have pondered unsuccessfully.
What do you call the otherwise-law-abiding citizens in “oppressed” locations who own guns in violation of the law? NYS estimates 1-2 million "illegal" guns in NYC; obviously, most of them are not being used to commit crimes.
We need a useful substitute for “law-abiding.”

I like: 'non-incarcerated American' myself. The whole felon thing bugs me. If a man can be trusted to be released from prison, than he should be trusted to own firearms. If he can't be trusted with firearms, why on earth is he being released?

Eightball
February 20, 2007, 10:03 PM
Romney reminisced about shooting rabbits during his boyhood days and said, "At one time, I wasamong the many decent, law-abiding men and women who safely use firearms."Fixed his quote for him. Does he realize that hunting has continued with modern technology (I.E. AR-15s and the like, much to the chagrin of the recent blogger who will not be named ;) ) since when he was a boy? Maybe he needs to "get back into it", so he will appreciate that firearms are not "evil" because of their features.
"If it takes magazines of over 10 rounds, it's a terrorist weapon, and must be banned" kinda politicians......*sigh*

Let's hear it for yet another candidate to scratch being voted for by the "decent, law-abiding men and women who safely use firearms."

TX1911fan
February 20, 2007, 10:32 PM
I find it interesting that we on this board complain that politicians don't respect the Second Amendment, and that they are all gun banners and then when one realizes that our side is under-represented, investigates the issues and then makes his decision, we still want to throw him under the bus. I'm not saying that Romney is the way to go, but shouldn't we at least be thankful he is considering our issues? Maybe we should say "I'm not sure I trust him, but it's a good first step. We'll have to see what else he says and where he goes with it."

By the way, the article above is a little misleading. He didn't say he supported the AWB right after he joined the NRA. They were quoting statements made earlier in his career. It's not unusual for someone who lives in MASS most of his life to support gun legislation. Now that he is looking at broader issues, he is realizing that his positions need to change. Isn't that what we want to have happen?

Think of this. If he comes on this board and reads that 9 out of 10 RKBA supporters won't vote for him anyway, do you think he'll make our rights a priority? I think not. Why don't we look for positives where we can find them?

With that said, Hillary could french kiss LaPierre and I still wouldn't trust her, but that's just me. Maybe many of you feel the same way about Romney.

3rdpig
February 20, 2007, 10:51 PM
Romney has about as much chance of winning the Republican nomination as the proverbial snowball in hell. Not that Giuliani or McCain are much better.

wooderson
February 20, 2007, 11:06 PM
Maybe he joined to satisfy his CMP club requirement - that's how I finally decided to join the Texas state chapter.

Too bad Mitt and I both seem to have lost out on the remaining Garands.

Lone_Gunman
February 20, 2007, 11:11 PM
Uh, the NRA does not meet the club requirement for CMP.

wooderson
February 20, 2007, 11:37 PM
Some state chapters do.

Lone_Gunman
February 21, 2007, 12:33 AM
This thread is about Romney becoming a life member in the NRA. That doesn't qualify for anything with CMP. I am not sure what you are even talking about "state chapters" that you can join with respect to the NRA. I have never heard of state chapters that can be joined seperately from the NRA.

nico
February 21, 2007, 01:00 AM
Something to consider among this mixed bag people. At least Romney is paying lip service to 2nd Amendment Rights. As opposed to EVERY OTHER Candidate outright opposition to them.
And so did Kerry. . . right before he flew back to DC to vote for the AWB renewal.
So did Clinton. . . before he got elected and signed the AWB
So do the Bradys. . . right before they talk about banning long range (accurate to >100 meters), "quick toggle," sniper rifles with scopes that are even more powerful than what the military uses

EVERY gun grabber pays lip service to the 2nd Amendment. I don't know about you, but lip service doesn't cut it for me. Furthermore, it wont' make me feel any better when the liar I helped get elected, who just signed the next big gun grab, pays lip service to the 2nd Amendment.

I don't want Obama or Clinton to win the general election any more than anyone else here, but I'm not going to pretend that, because they have "R's" next to their names, Guiliani, Romney (both well known gun grabbers), or McCain (who is currently self destructing by flip flopping on just about everything he's ever taken a stance on) will be any better. I refuse to throw away my vote by giving it to the person who wants to take away the fewest of my guns (for now).

MarkinPNW
February 21, 2007, 04:03 AM
Since there are now so many confusing laws on the books that it is really impossible for any breathing human to be "law abiding", I now prefer the term "peaceable citizens of good will", or something similar depending on context. Now if a politician will affirm the basic human right of self-defense of any "peaceable citizen of good will" using any reasonable tool of self-defense of HIS choice (the citizens' choice) I might start paying attention! (The only acceptable definition of reasonable in "reasonable tool of self-defense" is that said peaceable citizen does not injure the life, liberty, or property of another citizen without just cause, i.e. self defense.)

langenc
February 21, 2007, 03:53 PM
It will be another "FOR THE LESSER OF THE EVILS" to be absolutely certain.

Patriot-Brewer
February 21, 2007, 04:00 PM
how transparent...what a boob!

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