News article on the "terrorist" rifle blogging fiasco.


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Outlaws
February 20, 2007, 04:17 PM
Great news article on the whole Zumbo fiasco.
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_102081.asp

The Blog Heard 'Round The Industry
Jim Zumbo angers firearm enthusiasts
by Jim Shepherd
posted February 20, 2007

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Jim Zumbo, Hunting Editor for Outdoor Life magazine, angered firearms enthusiasts across the country with a weekend blog posting. His blog has now been suspended and sponsors are severing ties with Zumbo in spite of his apology.
This article is provided by Jim Shepherd in association with the "Outdoor Wire," a feed service specializing in the outdoor industry.

Legendary hunting writer Jim Zumbo has incurred the wrath of thousands of shooting enthusiasts with a weekend posting on his now-suspended blog for Outdoor Life magazine.

In the posting, Zumbo said "assault rifles" (or "terrorist" rifles as he went on to refer to them) had "no place" among "our hunting community." Adding that in his "humble opinion…these things have no place in hunting" because "We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern."



Zumbo went on to say "game departments should ban them from the praries (sic) and woods."

That kicked off a firestorm among owners of so-called "black rifles". Within hours, internet sites had reproduced the offending blog, kicking off thousands of angry emails and internet postings.

Subsequently, in what may one day be classified as the worst apology ever written (aptly titled "I was wrong, BIG TIME") Zumbo attempted to soothe readers, attributing his remarks to being tired following a long day of hunting coyotes in extreme weather conditions.

He went on recount his 40 years of NRA membership and the United States Sportsmen's Alliance, an organization, which, he wrote, "actively fights anti-hunters and animal rights groups for hunter's rights." He also told readers he had plans to go hunting with an AR-style rifle to give them a try.

At that point, however, there was little, if anything, that would assuage an angry horde of electronically mobilized AR fans. They considered Zumbo's remarks as being tantamount to a sellout, with Zumbo offering up "black rifles" as a sacrificial lamb for anti-gun forces.

In an appearance on Tom Gresham's national radio show "Gun Talk" Sunday afternoon, Zumbo attempted to apologize, but listeners didn't seem to be buying his verbal apology. If anything, any attempt to assuage them only fanned the flames of outrage.

Over the course of the afternoon and evening, various executives associated with Zumbo posted their own comments on his blog site, attempting to deflect the anger at directed at Zumbo away from their companies.

It didn't work.

Instead, they found themselves under attack with angry feedback calling for everything from a boycott of all Remington products (a pair of Remington execs were mentioned as having been with Zumbo on his now ill-fated hunting trip) to cancellation of Outdoor Life magazine subscriptions and campaigns against all companies with connections to Zumbo.

Yesterday morning, responding to an onslaught of negative publicity, Remington CEO and President Tommy Millner released a statement severing "all sponsorship ties with Mr. Zumbo, effective immediately."

Zumbo was entitled to his opinion, Millner wrote, but the inflammatory comments were solely his and did not reflect the views of Remington.

"Remington has spent tens of millions of dollars defending our Second Amendment rights to privately own and possess firearms, " wrote Millner, "and we will continue to vigorously fight to protect these rights. As hunters and shooters of all interest levels, we should strive to utilize this unfortunate occurrence to unite as a whole in support of our Second Amendment rights."

In conclusion, Millner expressed regret at the termination of a long-standing relationship with a "well-respected writer and life-long hunter."

Outdoor Life announced they were discontinuing the "Hunting With Zumbo" blog "for the time being" due to the "controversy surrounding Jim Zumbo's latest postings."

Their notice went on to remind readers "Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of our Second Amendment rights which do not make distinctions based on the looks of the firearms we choose to own, shoot and take hunting."

Yesterday, anyone who didn't comment risked being lumped in with anti-gun forces. Any voices calling for reason and tolerance found themselves shouted down. And those writers professing support for Mr. Zumbo privately certainly weren't willing to go on the record with that support.

Additionally, Cabela's has not yet dropped their sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show, Cabela's Frank Ross is being quoted as having said their legal department is "currently reviewing contractual obligations and commitments regarding our sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show. "

"Jim's comments are as unfortunate as they are inappropriate," said National Shooting Sports Foundation president Doug Painter. "No one should divide firearms into good-gun, bad-gun categories."

Zumbo's ill-considered blog may not have been intended to create good-gun, bad-gun categories, but it has certainly raised firebrand rhetoric to an art form. Rather than hunters being supported by recreational and competitive shooting enthusiasts, they have now become "Fudds" to shooters who feel they have been labeled "terrorists" by a "hard-core hunter."

It's truly not a pretty picture, but may observers say it accurately reflects a widening gap between "traditional" and "non-traditional" shooting enthusiasts.

With Congress reconsidering the Assault Weapon Ban and Connecticut and New Jersey considering legislation that would limit handgun purchases to one per month, this latest schism is already being used as further evidence of the "need" to regulate firearms -all firearms - more stringently.

Jim Shepherd

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Dan from MI
February 20, 2007, 04:56 PM
Jim, Jim, Jim.

If you get government to ban guns you don't like, don't start complaining when your "sniper rifle" is next. :banghead:

I can't stand gun owners who push for bans and run their mouths. "Terrorist rifles?" Those are the worst types of all.

Robo_Railer
February 20, 2007, 05:10 PM
It's truly not a pretty picture, but may observers say it accurately reflects a widening gap between "traditional" and "non-traditional" shooting enthusiasts.

With Congress reconsidering the Assault Weapon Ban and Connecticut and New Jersey considering legislation that would limit handgun purchases to one per month, this latest schism is already being used as further evidence of the "need" to regulate firearms -all firearms - more stringently.We don't want to go there. United we stand, or some day, private gun ownership might be a distant memory. :uhoh:

Swat that camel on its nose.

lance22
February 20, 2007, 05:49 PM
When that day comes, Outdoor Life will be just fine with it; after all, they will still have small bore muzzle loaders for wabbit ;)

Some of us didn't agree all the time with Jeff Cooper, but he influenced many gun magazines in the right direction. Sadly, Outdoor Life was influenced by Jim Zumbo and is going in the wrong direction. Cooper was a god compared to Brady Boy Zumbo.

They want to deny that their writers speak for their brand / business identity? They do, whether they want to admit it or not. Outdoor Life has done nothing but try to sweep this under the rug ... even after the burn they don't get it.

Art Eatman
February 20, 2007, 08:18 PM
Y'all are totally missing the point: What this whole deal shows is the power of the Internet and its blogs.

Even just ten or so years back, very few would have been aware of Zumbo's views. Were they published in the magazine for newstand/subscription reading, only a few letters to the editors would have resulted, with little dissemination on any sort of broad scale.

Now? Every company associated with Zumb is shivering and shaking.

It probably will get the attention of some of the would-be candidates for the Presidency as well.

TV program sponsors say that one snail-mail letter represents the views of 300 people. Emails and blog responses don't have those numbers, but a guess of ten or twenty to one is not unfair, I think.

Tens of thousands of people across the Internet, times the numbers of voters they influence or activate, can be very important in an election. It doesn't take that many in any one large area to swing a vote--and that affects such things as seats in the Congress.

Per this thread, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=256874, it seems to have penetrated Giuliani's consciousness. He may not be any true friend, but he's aware of the importance of the issue.

Art

Outlaws
February 20, 2007, 08:31 PM
How did we miss the point? He posted something in a blog, a ton of people took action, and a few good sized companies realized very quickly their customers are not on Zumbozo's side of the fence.

Now the only thing I think we are missing is that only one news website considered this news fit to print.

Art Eatman
February 20, 2007, 09:01 PM
The point isn't Zumbo himself, but the reactions by companies to the Internet itself.

Prior to this, companies have seen the Internet as important mostly for providing a way for customers to be customers. Order stuff. Read about products. "Do bidness."

Now they are forced to reckon with it as a possible way to lose business and go broke.

It will carry over into the MSM, hate blogs as it may. In the past, MSM has believed that if it ignores any subject, or "spikes" some news item, nobody will know or care.

You can bet your boots that campaign advisors are taking note of this whole deal.

There are more blogs starting up, daily. There will be more, and the inter-connections and rapid spread of information is scary to TPTB.

It'll be interesting...

Art

Kaylee
February 20, 2007, 09:32 PM
this latest schism is already being used as further evidence of the "need" to regulate firearms -all firearms - more stringently.

Feh, and if no one complained, I bet the author of that little piece would have said "everyone agrees about the "need" to regulate firearms -all firearms - more stringently." :barf:

But yeah, what Art said.. this intraweb thing is the best thing to happen for our side since God invented the gas piston. :)

ceetee
February 20, 2007, 09:52 PM
There have been several science-fiction stories written about how (in some future world) instant feedback from an audience can determine the outcome of a televised or otherwise broadcast event. The most famous of these may be "The Running Man". This bears careful watching. Why is it that a hugely vocal outcry from an otherwise voiceless minority could shift public policy so far, and so quickly?

I mean, let's face it... assuming that each of the three or four thousand gun owners that responded to Zumbo's blog entries, or wrote scathing e-mails, represents 20 other gun owners... that's still only sixty to eighty thousand gun owners out of... What? Eighty million? What comes next? Do politicians change public policy based on internet outrage? Does Congress re-write laws based on the publicly exclaimed vitriol of one-tenth of one percent of the population?

On the incident in question, I do believe that every man has the right to express his opinion through use of whatever medium he chooses, and I also believe that if you loudly proclaim an unpopular opinion, you should be ready to reap the whirlwind. While I feel personally gratified that Jim Zumbo is losing his sponsors, I'm also saddened by the extreme lack of loyalty shown by employers to their employee. It seems to me a harsh way to teach a lesson. What's the best way to reach an anti? Take him shooting, of course. I think efforts should have been made to explore this attitude, not only as espoused by Zumbo, but by McRae and all the others that came out in support of Zumbo's position. Opportunities should have been given to broaden their viewpoints. If, after such opportunities, their attitudes remained the same, then relationships could have been terminated with no hard feelings. As it is, this issue has only further polarized shooters, dividing them into groups, and then driving wedges between those groups.

At a time when all shooters should be united, hunters and non-hunters alike, issues like this can only give the gun-banners more power. We shooters may yet have the opportunity to welcome people like Zumbo back into the fold (as may be). If given that opportunity, we should jump on it. If we don't hang together, surely we shall hang separately...

alucard0822
February 20, 2007, 10:14 PM
This whole deal should be just a taste of things to come on the national political scale. If we respond to threats against our rights with swift and overwhelming action we will be in a much better place than we were in 94 when the Brady bill was passed. Information, statistics and truth are on our side, most of the common lies that the antis spread work only because people don't verify them, and don't know better. In MD we are gearing up to fight a california based AWB, SB43 and spreading the word on this forum and throughout the community and calling for action are the best hope we have to kill it.

Intune
February 20, 2007, 10:20 PM
ceetee, I could see the man being able to mend his ways if he opined that a Bushmaster paled accuracy-wise to a Remmy 700 VLS having done a range test. His diatribe on "assault" rifles was waaay over the top for a gun owner. The firestorm will do more to help our cause than hurt it. I agree with take an Anti shooting. Works almost every time! :D

Outlaws
February 20, 2007, 11:06 PM
You can bet your boots that campaign advisors are taking note of this whole deal.


Why? As it stands now, the only place I see any info about this whole thing is on a few internet gun blogs, the OutdoorLife website, a small blurb on about 3 of the 6 sponsors websites, and that 1 single news article.

I don't think that counts enough to scare a politician. If this was something that got more press coverage, I would agree. But right now it was just a small "civil war" among the firearm community.

:cool:

Kaylee
February 20, 2007, 11:57 PM
I dunno.. it does show that these ain't the ol' days... the whole affair arose and effectively ended over a weekend. That's a pretty hefty response, and an absolutely amazing response time.

Most of all though, it really puts a boot to the notion that a pol can get away with "I'm for the second amendment, I remember hunting with my dad.... "

Remember that EBRs have been selling pretty briskly ever since the ban. Heck, aren't ARs along still doing on the order of 100K a year? Even allowing for folks getting multiples, that's a fair amount. Add in everyone buying AKs, SKSs, pistols with so-called "high capacity" magazines.. I'd say we're easily adding a quarter to half a million people every year that would get pretty darned steamed if the gov't decided AWB II was a good idea and they could no longer get replacement parts or magazines.

At the same time, the number of people hunting is declining, isn't it?

Neither of those demographic shifts are something a pol would do well to ignore.

Outlaws
February 21, 2007, 12:12 AM
Yes, it does show the power of the internet, but this Zumbo thing is still a relatively minor thing in the grand scheme of things, not something large enough yet to make a politician take notice or even think twice.

Trebor
February 21, 2007, 12:27 AM
Yes, it does show the power of the internet, but this Zumbo thing is still a relatively minor thing in the grand scheme of things, not something large enough yet to make a politician take notice or even think twice.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. More and more people are getting their news from the net now instead of the MSM. In many ways, the outpouring as a result of this blog was the equivilant of say 20,000 letters to the editor. That's enough for anyone to notice, once they know where to look to gauge public opinon.

Also, do you realize how quick this all happened? The original blog was just posted last Friday, the furor really started on Saturday night and now, just a few days later, the original blog is gone, Zumbo has lost several sponsors, and his career will never be the same. That's a much quicker cycle than if this would have played out in the traditional media.

This still could be, and likely will be, picked up by more "traditional" media outlets as well. Expect to see some coverage of this in the gun rags, and they'll probably be some commentary on this as an example of the power of "new media" on some more general interest publications. Even without the gun angle, this was a big deal for the web. Add the gun angle back in, and this is likely to get some play.

nico
February 21, 2007, 12:28 AM
It's truly not a pretty picture, but may observers say it accurately reflects a widening gap between "traditional" and "non-traditional" shooting enthusiasts.
I'm not sure if I buy that. Take a look at the forums at accurate reloading or 24hour campfire; a lot more hunters "get it" than a lot of non-hunting gun owners would like to give them credit for.

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that "traditional" and "non-traditional" enthusiasts are the same people. It seems like fewer people are buying guns as a tool for hunting, and more people are getting into hunting because they like shooting. Personally, I started shooting with the plan of eventually hunting, but I had been shooting for over 5 years the first time I went hunting (I'm 23 and have been shooting since I was 14). I own a semi-auto pistol (CZ75), semi shotgun (SX2), bolt action rifle (M77), two semi rifles (AR and SKS), and a muzzleloader. I'm not sure what kind of "shooting enthusiast" that makes me, but I can't think of any possible gun ban that wouldn't directly affect me.

cliff notes: a larger proportion of hunters are also recreational shooters than in the past. The idea of "traditional" vs. "non-traditional" shooters seems like a false dichotomy.

btw, somebody needs to tell the author that "fudd" was around long before Zumbo nailed the label to his forehead.

Jim March
February 21, 2007, 12:35 AM
Zumbo's career in gunwriting needs to come to a crashing halt. That may not be "nice", it may not be "fair", but it is absolutely necessary.

Otherwise future attempts to split us will be tried until they succeed.

---

On a purely technical level Zumbo was dead wrong. Heavy-barreled "varmint grade" ARs are shipping that can keep up with most bolt-guns. We've also got oddities like the .50 Beowulf that really would make a dandy deer rifle:

http://gunblast.com/50Beowulf.htm

http://gunblast.com/Alex_Overwatch.htm

It's a dead certainty he hasn't kept up with these developments.

Travis Lee
February 21, 2007, 12:41 AM
For the willfully obtuse among us, Zumbo did his utmost to create a divide between "traditional" shooters and those who shoot military style firearms.

Zumbo defamed us, calling us terrorists, and called for Game departments to ban our firearms from the fields and woods.

Zumbo likes to shoot prairie dogs, and coyotes for no more reason than for the sake of killing. Personally, I can't see the merit of killing critters except for food or self defense.

He uses firearms which 100 years ago WERE state of the art military weapons.

And he has the nerve to call people who mostly put holes in paper, "terrorists".

His words are already being used as a weapon against us by the Brady Bunch.

He called for us to be cast out of the shooting community, and as it turns out, our dollars have more weight, in his world of free guns, ammunition, and hunting jaunts.

He wants nothing to do with "our kind"? We only gave him what he demanded. The wailing I hear sounds so much like "don't leave me" from a woman who attacks you when you were sleeping, gets you arrested for domestic violence, and you still have a restraining order and a date with a judge. Cry me a river!

For those who complain that he has the right of free speech....

His speech is not free, his writing is paid for by Outdoor Life, he was a paid spokesman for Remington, and had a plurality of sponsorship deals.

Almost every such sponsorship contract can be voided by his actions OR HIS SPEECH. Even without our input, insulting a major part of Remington's customer base could have gotten his contract cancelled.

He can keep saying and writing any bigoted spew he likes, but Remington doesn't have to pay for it, and I don't have to buy products of corporations which will.

I think that the only outfit likely to pay for his writings now will be the Brady Campaign. And they are welcome to him.

As I recall he is on the board of the NRA? Let's get him out of there.

A poster previously stated that we are in a WAR with the antis. The Antis are at war with US whether we choose to engage or not.


--Travis--

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 21, 2007, 12:53 AM
I agree with ceetee.

I've never been hunting, never read outdoor life, and never heard of Jim Zumbo before this incident. But it seems like an awful shame to permanently ostracize someone for having misguided views. Wouldn't a stern but kind rebuke be more helpful to us all? Wouldn't teaching and showing him and others like him the right way be more productive than tossing him out on his ### and slamming the door shut? From what I gather, he has a long history of supporting hunters and gun enthusiasts. Should we let all of the experience and knowledge go to waste because he was dead wrong on one thing?

Outlaws
February 21, 2007, 01:13 AM
I've never been hunting, never read outdoor life, and never heard of Jim Zumbo before this incident. But it seems like an awful shame to permanently ostracize someone for having misguided views. Wouldn't a stern but kind rebuke be more helpful to us all? Wouldn't teaching and showing him and others like him the right way be more productive than tossing him out on his ### and slamming the door shut? From what I gather, he has a long history of supporting hunters and gun enthusiasts. Should we let all of the experience and knowledge go to waste because he was dead wrong on one thing?

Yes.



At a time when all shooters should be united, hunters and non-hunters alike, issues like this can only give the gun-banners more power. We shooters may yet have the opportunity to welcome people like Zumbo back into the fold (as may be). If given that opportunity, we should jump on it. If we don't hang together, surely we shall hang separately...

Or he could just hang us first (like he did) and then he can be the one who gets hanged seperately all by him lonesome self.

JWarren
February 21, 2007, 01:18 AM
He may have gotten that if he had given a REAL appology that indicated that he misrepresented his views and specifically addressed the insults we were forced to indure-- which include a call for legislation, identifying us with terrorists, etc.

Instead, he said his feet hurt and he wrote in haste.

This sounds more like he accidently told what he REALLY thought. Drunk people often tell the truth, too. If that is his beliefs, we don't need him, and I CAN'T trust him. Perhaps one day, with the appropriate actions and statements on his part, I might have reconsidered-- in time. Trust was lost, and trust would have to be regained in ANY situation like this. He hasn't indicated that he has any change in his beliefs, and therefore we would be absolute fools to blindly let this pass.

Everyone calling for us to wrap our arms around him and nurture him into understanding need to understand that he has never specifically addressed the points that anger us. He has never specifically retracted or renounced ANY of this assertions. That smacks of either extreme arrogance or an "I'm sorry I got caught for saying what I believe."

Either way, its bad for him.

Listen.... I'm not heartless. I was willing to believe that the man didn't realilze WHAT exactly he was saying. I was also willing to believe that he probably didn't know what he should be doing to address this community. I was willing to talk to him about it.

I won't go into the details, but I arranged through a close friend of his to have all my phone numbers on Zumbo's desk. I offered to talk to him about what he could do in this situation. I've got my masters in Public Relations with an emphasis in Crisis and Issues Management. I offered to counsel him confidentially and free of charge. I know for a fact that he recieved my offer. My phone didn't ring.

My conscience is clean that I reached out to offer help to a person that I completely was offended by. If he is not addressing this, it is by his own choice, and he lives with the consequences of those choices.

His silence at this point may be a result of legal or PR counsel (although I'd fire any PR person that is telling him to lay low if I were he.) It may be OL forcing him to remain quiet to let this blow over. It can be any number of things. It may well be that he's decided that he will stand by his comments and therefore has abandoned us.

We know that his apology wasn't a real retraction.


John

Can'thavenuthingood
February 21, 2007, 01:38 AM
Well, since he is an NRA board member, I have to wonder how much influence he had over the years IRT other members and the strategic thinking or actions by the NRA.
What was compromised away?
What was minimized?
What was given up to the anti gun entities in order to save a favorite gun?

Did he have any affect on NRA policies?

To say what he did or write it and edit and send for publishing is from years of experience and working within and supporting the NRA. Yet he couldn't keep up with what was going in the rifle world?

I think harm has been done through the years of his kind of thinking within the NRA.

Just my opinion, its been a long day and I'm tired.

Vick

bsf
February 21, 2007, 03:18 AM
I have no problem throwing Mr. Zumbo under the bus. I feel no sympathy for his loss of contracts & reputation. Hunters need to get with the program, if they have not already. I hope this serves as a wake up call to other hunters who are anti-2A. I do not worry about this incident fracturing support for the RKBA. I get tired of being stabbed in the back by anti-RKBA hunters.

This post has been edited for inaccuracies. Mr. Zumbo in not on the NRA Board of Directors. I assumed he was based on previous posts: stupid me. I could not find verification early this morning, but I just found a list in my August American Rifleman magazine. I apologize.

localFFL
February 21, 2007, 04:44 AM
I would like to see him removed from the NRA Board of Directors Um say WHAT? This anti gun crusader (and now liar) is on the NRA board of freaking DIRECTORS?

By the way, why is it so hard to find a LIST of the NRA board of directors? I just spent 20 minutes searching nra websites and google and couldn't find a complete list. Don't respond to this question, I feel a new thread coming on. ;)

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 21, 2007, 05:00 AM
So one blog post is all it takes to make one a crusader? wow.

localFFL
February 21, 2007, 05:36 AM
Yea, if that "one blog post" (by the way, what does the NUMBER of blog posts have to do with anything?) calls us "terrorists" for owning certain firearms, proclaims that certain firearms have "no place," etc. He didn't just make one off hand comment in that article. I read it before it was removed. He was specific and quite pointed. The fact that he felt comfortable enough to say that much anti gun crap to the outdoor life crowd, means it wasn't the first time he's said it. We all know anti 2nd amendment hunters (who all deny that they're anti 2nd amendment) and how they subtly bash the "extremists" every chance they get.

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 21, 2007, 05:50 AM
I don't think you're getting my point.

Let's say I believe cars that are painted blue should be illegal. I post as such on my website. That's just one guy spouting his opinion. Now if I go out and try to get others to believe the same, AND try to get legislation passed to make them illegal, THAT would be a "crusade" against blue cars.

Zumbo spouted off a dumb idea on his blog. He said "terrorist rifles" should not be legal for hunting. A stupid thing to say. No one is saying it's not.

Did he contact his congressmen and ask them to sponsor legislation to ban black rifles? Did he organize a political action committee or try to raise funds to get black rifles banned? Did he put commercials on TV telling all hunters and regular joes alike to vote YES on his proposal to ban black rifles?

As far as I know, he did none of those things. He's not waging a crusade against black rifles.

Think of something you don't like. Think of something you think is stupid or unnecessary. Do you like "reality TV"? If no, have you ever told anyone you don't like reality TV? Have you ever said "man these reality shows are stupid. I wish networks would stop showing this crap" ? Does that mean you are on a crusade to ban reality TV?

Telling people you don't like something and waging a crusade against it are not the same thing.



I understand this whole issue gets people really emotional, but let's at least try to be rational and correct about it. Nothing in Zumbo's actions or words comes close to reaching the level of "a crusade".

Selfdfenz
February 21, 2007, 06:49 AM
Zumbo's career in gunwriting needs to come to a crashing halt. That may not be "nice", it may not be "fair", but it is absolutely necessary.

Jim,

Zumbo drew the line and the sand and blog readers stepped over that line. He made a decision and it got him canned. I call that completely fair.

If there is a fraternity of Fudd's in the hunting community which (1) subconsciously resents the equipment used by the non-hunting fraternity & (2) believe the black rifle cadre is bringing H--- and Damnation down on them they must be re-educated.

Too many in the hunting fraternity need to realize that, as has been so often said here on THR, 2A is not about hunting. I always find it somewhat interesting that many hunters openly, even proudly state, they don't belong to the NRA and disagree with the way the NRA does things. I guess they think Bass Pro has their right to hunt covered.

Zumbo = poster boy for wrong headedness and, as a lifelong hunter, he is precisely the kind of guy I don’t regret being knocked of his bully pulpit permanently.

Good riddance.

S-

Travis Lee
February 21, 2007, 07:28 AM
He may not be on a personal crusade, but he wrote things which may as well have come straight from Sarah Brady, and his words, as well as his SUPPOSED STATURE as a shooter, "sportsman", and spokesman for Remigton now serves those WHO ARE ON A CRUSADE against us.

He felt comfortable enough with his dead tree readers to throw us under the bus, but the world spins a different way in the 21st century. Our complaints to Remington don't get slowed by snail mail, and our forums amplify our individual voices that cannot be squelched by letters to the editor.

You figure you owe him warm fuzzies, a big hug, and restoration of his rapidly disappearing livlihood? Swell. YOU go write him a check! I sure as heck don't owe him a thing.

I never heard of this guy, until he shot off his mouth, calling me a terrorist, and saying that I have no place in HIS woods, HIS fields, and HIS shooting fraternity. You may call that "freedom of speech" I call that despicable elitism.

As it turns out, people like ME buy a lot more STUFF from the companies which have previously given him a livlihood, and my dollars seem to have more influence than the blue steel/walnut guys who use one a box of ammo to sight in and shoot one bambi every year.

When he started feeling the heat, he claimed he was tired, it was windy, his feet were sore, and gee whiz he flies the US flag!...... He's not so much a gun guy after all..... and he NEVER renounced the main points of his article.


What I especially resent are the suggestions that Zumbo has the right of free speech and the rest of us should just shove a sock in it, and shut up. Zumbo just got Rathered and he deserved every bit of it.

If he can no longer get corporate sponsors to finance his planned trips to Botswana, or Bolivia, or Tuvalu so he can slay mighty muskrats, I am just not very sympathetic.

Some of us buy our own guns, buy our own ammunition, and do NOT have our words archived by the Brady Campaign.

--Travis--

Duncan223
February 21, 2007, 08:58 AM
This entire incident goes to further demonstrate the anti-gun mentality exists within our own "community" and within the republican party.

Bill Ruger Sr., George HW Bush, Rudy Guiliani, et al., have publically committed themselves to an anti-gun stance. While Bill Ruger Sr's "support" of the AWB and capacity limitations were (IMO) done more to save the company from having their mini-14s, and other weapons, from being included in the list of banned weapons.

Mongo the Mutterer
February 21, 2007, 09:06 AM
Travis Lee, I was going to add to your #29, but you put it perfectly.

Right now I am on a mission with Cabela's to fire Zumbo, and I would suggest I need company.

As far as Zumbo, I do not ignore treachery and betrayal in any way shape or form. If you are my enemy, or we disagree that is fine. I know where you stand.

If you say you are on my side, don't betray me, ever. You will reap the whirlwind.

PennsyPlinker
February 21, 2007, 09:18 AM
Zumbo's ill-considered blog may not have been intended to create good-gun, bad-gun categories, but it has certainly raised firebrand rhetoric to an art form.

This is the line that got my blood pressure up. Look at all of the people who have had their careers destroyed by the left for an offhand private remark, or something said in a joking fashion. All the apologies in the world are not enough, and the left is not happy until they get their pound of flesh by destroying the hapless individual who was foolish enough to incur their ire. This is nothing more than fighting the libs on their own terms with their own weapons, and they hate it when we fight back effectively.

txgho1911
February 21, 2007, 09:23 AM
They could have done something positive. They still could. Maybe OL should feature some EBRs in the 6.8spc or 6.5 grendal on some deer hunt where they are allowed.
Funny as Indiana rule changes would allow for the 458socom in deer hunting as per the cartridge specs.

Remington could cut off ammo and long arm sales to CA LEO. Maybe Remington could rally more of the industry for this as well. Ronny B I think is almost alone with his 50 cutoff to CA LEO.
Seems so much is possible if we push the right buttons.

Master Blaster
February 21, 2007, 09:31 AM
A couple of years ago when the last AWB was rearing its ugly head I went on a personal campaign at my gun club to educate my fellow shooters. I put up copies of the proposed ban, and of Ted Kennedy's speach asking to outlaw all rifle cartidges begining with the

"Armour piercing .30-.30 which can penetrate a policemans vest and is sold in Hardware stores to anyone"

I had a gent ask me why I thought civilians needed assault rifles and machineguns, and tell me that he supported the AWB.

He was telling me this while we were standing on the line at the .22lr rifle range at Delco. In his hands was a tricked out 10/22 that he uses for silouhette competition:cool:

I had to point out to him the specific language in the proposed renewal of the AWB that banned 10/22 carbines because they can take a +10 round magazine.

I think he saw the light.:barf:

ceetee
February 21, 2007, 09:34 AM
At times like this, there are several traps we would be well advised to stay clear of.

One is the "Everyone's entitled to his own opinion..." trap. It starts out "Everyone's entitled to his own opinion..." and finishes up with "unless that opinion is different than mine..." It's all too easy to paint a person with the broadest brush possible. Some people just don't think there's a place in the civilian world for "military-style" firearms... they don't see the logic that says "Well, gee... my Mauser bolt action was the height of military weaponry in it's day..."

Another trap is the "You're either with us or against us..." trap. We all have different priorities in life, and you can't expect a total stranger to have the exact same beliefs that you have. It just may be possible, through the effort of experience and familiarization, to change someone's opinion on something. While I wouldn't waste the time on a "Sarah Brady", I would suggest exposing a shooter to a new platform, in hopes that that shooter would gain a new understanding and become a proponent, instead of an enemy (especially if he's an influential writer). The only other choice is to exclude that person from your activities totally. By excluding people that have a different opinion, you're making enemies at a time when allies are much more important.

My main fear is that public opinion can be swayed by such a loud outcry from such an evident minority. How many soccer moms do you suppose could be marshalled to mount a vociferous e-mail campaign against us? It's true that this one incident shows us the potential power of "The Internet". We must be ever watchful, lest that power be used against us...

NukemJim
February 21, 2007, 10:49 AM
I' suprised I haven't seen this so far so I'll post it. I cannot take credit saw it elsewhere.

With apoligies to Pastor Martin Niemöller

They came first for the Full Autos,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't have any Full Autos.
Then they came for the Semi Autos,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't have any Semi Autos.
Then they came for the High Capacity Magazines,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't have any High Caps.
Then they came for the Handguns,
and I didn't speak up because I was a didn't have any HandGuns.
Then they came for my Shotgun,
and by that time there were no other Gun Owners to speak up.

I used a Stockmaker (once) who was for banning .50s and would not work on any military type firearms. But oh how he loved his shotgun. Don't remember the brand but I do remember it was over 30K :what:

NukemJim

Mongo the Mutterer
February 21, 2007, 10:51 AM
Cee Tee, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, and to state it in anyway he or she wants. I don't care if Mr. Zumbo doesn't like EBRs. That is his business. It is his opinion, and I would not like to try and change it.

But when a supposed "leader" in our community calls us "Terrorists" and fails to apologize for his remarks when he has a chance, he is an elitist scumbag and deserves every flush of the toilet he is receiving.

And don't think he did not call us Terrorists. He did.

ceetee
February 21, 2007, 11:31 AM
But when a supposed "leader" in our community calls us "Terrorists" and fails to apologize for his remarks when he has a chance, he is an elitist scumbag and deserves every flush of the toilet he is receiving.

And don't think he did not call us Terrorists. He did.

All too true, MtM. And personally, I'm thoroughly gratified that the "whirlwind" is sucking right out of his pocketbook. It's unlikely that he would consider any other kind of censure significant. When one of my kids does something bad, though, they don't just get punished. They're made to see just why it is that what they did is wrong, and they're given the opportunity to make amends. That, in addition to any punishment meted out.

I think that Zumbo (and McRae, and any others who agree with him) should be made to see just why it is that that kind of attitude is the wrong way to think. They should be given the chance to understand, and make amends. And not just with a phony "But I'm a life Member of the NRA" suck-up apology, either. They should be allowed the chance to do serious penance, in the form of... oh, I don't know. Spearheading a nation-wide letter writing campaign in support of RKBA, maybe. Joining the RWVA Appleseed program as instructor. Something. If they choose to not avail themselves of the opportunity to earn their good name back then they deserve any vitriol they receive.

That's just how I feel, anyway.

Intune
February 21, 2007, 11:32 AM
Jim Shepherd- That kicked off a firestorm among owners of so-called "black rifles". Within hours, internet sites had reproduced the offending blog, kicking off thousands of angry emails and internet postings.
Mr. Sheherd doesn't get it either. I am not angry and I don't own a "black rifle." (I prefer the cheap wood and shoddy parkerizing on my SAR1 :evil: ) I don't appreciate the proverbial knife in the back from within the fold of gun owners, particularly when it is twisted with such malicious intent. Should I passively await the next cruel cut delivered when the privileged, windblown, misunderstood, gungrabber-fodder-provider’s feet aren’t quite as tired? Perhaps delivered during an important NRA vote? No, I won’t and neither should any other law-abiding American gun owner. He is clearly an enemy of the 2nd. Feinstein and her ilk welcome the Zumbos of the world with open arms. He epitomizes their “reasonable” agenda. No second chances for the ousted sheep in wolf’s clothing for he possesses the insidious ability to destroy the pack incrementally from within. No anger here, just the facts as I see them.

Mongo the Mutterer
February 21, 2007, 12:57 PM
Since the Editor of Outdoor Life brought down the Zumbo blogs, here is his page on the website...

http://www.outdoorlife.com//outdoor/columnists/article/0,19912,1591915,00.html

He is accepting comments... :evil:

bsf
February 21, 2007, 01:12 PM
I apologize for my earlier post in which I called for Mr. Zumbo to be removed from the NRA Board of Directors. Mr. Zumbo in not on the NRA Board of Directors. I assumed he was based on previous posts: stupid me. I could not find verification early this morning, but I just found a list in my August American Rifleman magazine. I apologize. My original post has been edited, and I will point out my error in another thread started because of that post. Once again, I apologize.

Mongo the Mutterer
February 21, 2007, 01:16 PM
BSF, no problem.

Welcome to The High Road

Cosmoline
February 21, 2007, 01:17 PM
Art's point is probably the most important and interesting one to come out of this brewhaha. The internet has overtaken the glossy mags in the world of firearms. As to what impact this will have on politics, it's too early to say. But it will certainly make it more difficult for the Safari Club set to dictate policy from on high.

emitt1
February 21, 2007, 01:24 PM
Mongo, thanks for the link. Just left my comments and noticed Sarah Brady wrote to thank Outdoor Life for standing by Zumbo, and thanked Zumbo for his part in fighting our rights. Seems we need to blast OL a bit more.

Deanimator
February 21, 2007, 01:39 PM
My comment on Outdoor Life's website:

At 1:34 PM, 2/21/2007, Deanimator said:
Mr. Zumbo's recent comments bring to mind the term "Judenrat". They were the "Jewish Police" employed by the SS to round up other Jews for transport to the death camps. Like them, Mr. Zumbo seeks to throw his fellows under the bus to buy himself respite before he himself becomes a victim, a delusion in both cases. Simply despicable.

Selfdfenz
February 21, 2007, 02:20 PM
Saw that and posted a few words of my own. I'm sure OL and corporate interests that used to pick up his hunting and airline tab are doing job interviews. There will be litmus tests!

I was amazed to see this man is actually getting words of support. I assume Sarah Brady and his family have been made aware of the website.

So much for his "expert opinion".


Best
S-

Robo_Railer
February 21, 2007, 02:23 PM
Telling people you don't like something and waging a crusade against it are not the same thing.True, but giving the Brady Bunch an opportunity to say "Well, see, this gunwriter says you people don't need those bad guns" is just the old "aid and comfort to the enemy" thing. The writer probably didn't see it as "divide and conquer," but the Antis do. "So, you gave up those scary 'terrorist rifles' and nothing bad happened. We have supermarkets, so you don't need to hunt for food, so just hand over that scary shotgun before you get an uncontrollable urge to saw off its barrel."
Absurd? Yes, they are.

NukemJim has it right. I was going looking for that to quote it, but Jim paraphrased it wonderfully. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/Doug_C_Maine/Smileycons/thumbsup.gif

That camel is going to keep sticking its nose into the tent . . . :mad:

Art Eatman
February 21, 2007, 02:39 PM
In a letter for the hard copy issue of Outdoor Life, I pointed out that during the implosion of the USSR, Spetsnaz troops were going house to house in one of the Baltic states, taking any individual's firearms.

An ABC TV film clip showed some of these "deadly weapons": Browning-appearing O/U shotguns, and Olympic-style free rifles, apparently 22-caliber.

When "they" come for guns, there's no difference in the governmental mind between a Perazzi and a home-defense 870. Between a .22 plinker and a scoped, high-$$$ custom scope-equipped "sniper" rifle that has only been used on deer hunts.

I figured that made the point fairly well...

"Coming for guns" doesn't have to mean door to door collection. Just look at California's laws on semi-automatics.

For those who say this wasn't that big a deal from a politician's viewpoint, well, we gotta start somewhere, and this all seems like it was a danged good beginning. If you follow the industry news in the media bidness, you'll find that blogs have already made an impact on TV watching and newspaper buying. "Just folks" like us are becoming more important than we were before.

Instant communication empowers the little guy far more than the big guy. The big guy can no longer control what we know. That's why Congress is being lobbied to establish controls over the Internet.

Art

Selfdfenz
February 21, 2007, 03:03 PM
+1

S-

ctdonath
February 21, 2007, 11:25 PM
I mean, let's face it... assuming that each of the three or four thousand gun owners that responded to Zumbo's blog entries, or wrote scathing e-mails, represents 20 other gun owners... that's still only sixty to eighty thousand gun owners out of... What? Eighty million? What comes next?Yeah.

60-80,000 people were outraged - in one weekend flat.

Zumbo posted his drivel on Friday.
By Sunday he had posted his "apology", prompted by the flaming by some 3,000 posters.
By Monday - a federal holiday - Outdoor Life had pulled Zumbo's blogs, Remington had officially severed ties, Gerber officially expressed their dismay, and who knows what other behind-the-scenes withdraws of sponsorship and other severing of ties had occurred.
By Wednesday, TheHighRoad.org alone had its primary thread extend to an astounding 779 posts (not including related threads).
Who knows how many Outdoor Life cancellations are still enroute thru the mail.

All because of one 19-sentence posting on a relatively obscure (by MSM standards) website by a writer much/most of the outraged audience had not heard of or cared about.

That a media technology can move 0.1% of all gun owners to outrage and action in a mere weekend is huge.
The NRA can't motivate people that fast, and it's a professional lobby group second only to the AARP.

What comes next?

Those 80,000 outraged gunowners each tell 10 friends who care.
Outdoor Life magazine suddenly realizes that EBR hunting is a viable market after all.
Politicians take note that an overlooked minority can get a move on FAST.

All because one old writer with sore feet wrote a few ill-chosen sentences last Friday.
And today is merely Wednesday.

johndoegun
April 26, 2007, 11:18 AM
I know most everyone knows about this, but for those shooters that are just coming on board...

Gun writers Jim Zumbo (Outdoor Life, G&A, and more) Bill McRae (outdoor author), and Thomas McIntyre (Field & Stream and more) have yet again added to the attack on our second amendment rights, by stating their opinions on AR and AK rifles.

In a nutshell if you haven't read or responded to what Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre have stated, and whether or not the AR semi auto's appeal to you as a shooter- I have listed below their statements and instructions for easy email response to the email list of some of their current industry sponsors. If you wish to respond (and WE NEED you to!!), please help fight back:

****Jim Zumbo at Outdoor Life:
http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html

Quote:

Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.

February 16, 2007 in Hunting

****(post from an industry gun writer David M. Fortier 2-18-07)

As most of you would guess, there is a lot of activity inside the industry right now, despite it being a Sunday.

Another writer Bill McRae has stepped up supporting Zumbo and agreeing with his feelings on banning assault weapons.

Here is a email forwarded to me

On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 01:17 PM, Bill McRae wrote:

Shirley and Friends
I agree wholeheartedly with Jim on this and I don't give a damn who does or does not like it. Furthermore, I applaud Jim for having
had the courage to say what he said.
Bill McRae

----- Original Message -----
From: Shirley Steffen
To: Karin Levine ; Lamar Underwood ; Bill McRae ; Bob Pilgrim - Taubert ; Ian McMurchy ; John Fasano ; John Phillips ; John Plaster ; Ted Nugent ; Wiley Clapp ; Walt Rauch ; Wayne Van Zwoll ; Lamar Underwood
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: Zumbo on 'terrorist rifles' in the hunting fields

He's not alone either, I had Thomas McIntyre get in my face once on a hunt with Swarovski. He was as rabid as an anti-gun piece of sh*t, and felt they should be banned. Bryce Townsley was there and Bryce and I both gave him hell

So Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre are both pieces of sh*t you should be aware of.

David M. Fortier
_____________
****Email list so far.

All you have to do to reply is write your email letter, then select, copy, and paste all these emails as one into your send address bar and they will all get sent at once.

webmaster@outdoorlife.com
webmaster@remington.com
tommy.millner@remington.com
dawn.lorello@swarovski.com
sales@gerberblades.com
benglish@mossyoak.com
pstrickland@mossyoak.com
domain.admin@CABELAS.COM
corporate@cabelas.com
info@stoneypoint.com
hans@ himtnjerky.com
kimberly@himtnjerky.com
connie@himtnjerky.com
olletters@time4.com
elizabeth.burnham@time4.com
ashley.rosenfeld@ time4.com
amanda.gastelum@time4.com
kristen.baumgarten@time4.com
amanda.mcnally@time4.com
michael.haugen@remington.com
gregory.baradat@ remington.com
eddie.stevenson@remington.com
comments@harris-pub.com
bmcrae@3riversdbs.net
ashley.rosenfeld@time4.com
amanda.gastelum@ time4.com
kristen.baumgarten@time4.com
amanda.mcnally@time4.com
elizabeth.burnham@time4.com
fsletters@time4.com
bryan.brunson@ time4.com
kathy.kalker@time4.com
linda.gomez@time4.com
publications@nrahq.org


Here's a copy of my letter. Feel free to use what you wish:

Dear shooting sports industry companies and corporations,

I would like to notify those of you who support and/or sponsor Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre- that I will be boycotting your products, and actively promoting your business dealings with these individuals via the internet to every single gun owner, forum, and club I can find to seek out to spread the word.

The AR-15 is the M1 Garand of my generation and also a fine hunting and bench rest shooting rifle and I will not sit by and let these so called second amendment supporting phonies do further damage to our right to keep and bear arms in this great country of ours, by spewing their statements and beliefs amongst your product advertising.

With all sincerity,

Pat

Outdoor Writer Bill McRae's CORRECT contact info is:

bmcrae@3riversdbs.net
40 Sherman Lane
P.O. Box 160
Choteau, MT 59422-0160
(406) 466-5596

johndoegun
April 26, 2007, 11:22 AM
I know most everyone knows about this, but for those shooters that are just coming on board...

Gun writers Jim Zumbo (Outdoor Life, G&A, and more) Bill McRae (outdoor author), and Thomas McIntyre (Field & Stream and more) have yet again added to the attack on our second amendment rights, by stating their opinions on AR and AK rifles.

In a nutshell if you haven't read or responded to what Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre have stated, and whether or not the AR semi auto's appeal to you as a shooter- I have listed below their statements and instructions for easy email response to the email list of some of their current industry sponsors. If you wish to respond (and WE NEED you to!!), please help fight back:

****Jim Zumbo at Outdoor Life:
http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html

Quote:

Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.

February 16, 2007 in Hunting

****(post from an industry gun writer David M. Fortier 2-18-07)

As most of you would guess, there is a lot of activity inside the industry right now, despite it being a Sunday.

Another writer Bill McRae has stepped up supporting Zumbo and agreeing with his feelings on banning assault weapons.

Here is a email forwarded to me

On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 01:17 PM, Bill McRae wrote:

Shirley and Friends
I agree wholeheartedly with Jim on this and I don't give a damn who does or does not like it. Furthermore, I applaud Jim for having
had the courage to say what he said.
Bill McRae

----- Original Message -----
From: Shirley Steffen
To: Karin Levine ; Lamar Underwood ; Bill McRae ; Bob Pilgrim - Taubert ; Ian McMurchy ; John Fasano ; John Phillips ; John Plaster ; Ted Nugent ; Wiley Clapp ; Walt Rauch ; Wayne Van Zwoll ; Lamar Underwood
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: Zumbo on 'terrorist rifles' in the hunting fields

He's not alone either, I had Thomas McIntyre get in my face once on a hunt with Swarovski. He was as rabid as an anti-gun piece of sh*t, and felt they should be banned. Bryce Townsley was there and Bryce and I both gave him hell

So Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre are both pieces of sh*t you should be aware of.

David M. Fortier
_____________
****Email list so far.

All you have to do to reply is write your email letter, then select, copy, and paste all these emails as one into your send address bar and they will all get sent at once.

webmaster@outdoorlife.com
webmaster@remington.com
tommy.millner@remington.com
dawn.lorello@swarovski.com
sales@gerberblades.com
benglish@mossyoak.com
pstrickland@mossyoak.com
domain.admin@CABELAS.COM
corporate@cabelas.com
info@stoneypoint.com
hans@ himtnjerky.com
kimberly@himtnjerky.com
connie@himtnjerky.com
olletters@time4.com
elizabeth.burnham@time4.com
ashley.rosenfeld@ time4.com
amanda.gastelum@time4.com
kristen.baumgarten@time4.com
amanda.mcnally@time4.com
michael.haugen@remington.com
gregory.baradat@ remington.com
eddie.stevenson@remington.com
comments@harris-pub.com
bmcrae@3riversdbs.net
ashley.rosenfeld@time4.com
amanda.gastelum@ time4.com
kristen.baumgarten@time4.com
amanda.mcnally@time4.com
elizabeth.burnham@time4.com
fsletters@time4.com
bryan.brunson@ time4.com
kathy.kalker@time4.com
linda.gomez@time4.com
publications@nrahq.org


Here's a copy of my letter. Feel free to use what you wish:

Dear shooting sports industry companies and corporations,

I would like to notify those of you who support and/or sponsor Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre- that I will be boycotting your products, and actively promoting your business dealings with these individuals via the internet to every single gun owner, forum, and club I can find to seek out to spread the word.

The AR-15 is the M1 Garand of my generation and also a fine hunting and bench rest shooting rifle and I will not sit by and let these so called second amendment supporting phonies do further damage to our right to keep and bear arms in this great country of ours, by spewing their statements and beliefs amongst your product advertising.

With all sincerity,

Pat

Outdoor Writer Bill McRae's CORRECT contact info is:

bmcrae@3riversdbs.net
40 Sherman Lane
P.O. Box 160
Choteau, MT 59422-0160
(406) 466-5596

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