GARAND CMP Problems


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tdubya
February 20, 2007, 11:27 PM
needless to say i was very upset when the CMP sold out of Field Grade Rifles, with news of no M1 Field grades or better coming around i am now considering buying the "Rack Grade"

FROM THE CMP WEBSITE
Rack Grade Rifles are mechanically the same as Field Grade rifles above, but will show more wear on many of their parts, may have more pitting on the metal parts than a Service Grade rifle. Wood will be sound, but well used, with cracks, poor fit, and many dents and gouges. Throat erosion will be 5 or more and muzzle wear may be over a 3 on a muzzle gauge. Because the overall appearance and condition will generally be rougher than any other grade, rifles in this grade are considered poor to fair. Shipping and Handling $22.95 per rifle.

IS IT WORTH IT FOR $395? Should i get one with no stock for $295? OR wait till i can afford a nice one later on?

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DogBonz
February 20, 2007, 11:30 PM
one with no stock for myself. Why pay a hundred bucks for a crappy stock. Use that $100 towards a new stock. I mean, these rifles are shooters, not museum pieces, right...

HorseSoldier
February 20, 2007, 11:39 PM
When I was at the South Store, it looked to me like the wood on the Rack Grades was pretty universally on the far side of "beat to hell and back." If you can get to one of the stores, you may be able to pick out one in better condition than most, but if you're doing mail order, I'd probably go with a woodless rack-grade and order new wood to go with it.

DogBonz
February 20, 2007, 11:45 PM
M-1 Garand Stock Set

The stock set is newly manufactured in USA, consists of American black walnut with linseed oil finish. The stock set closely resembles WW II era M1 Garand stocks in fit and finish. There are no bulky areas or unsightly metal to wood fitment when compared to current commercial offerings. Stock set includes: Stock, front and rear hand guards. Stock set does not include: Metal of any kind. Stock set is pre-fitted to insure easy assembly. Each stock hand stamped with CMP cartouche. NLU- 082

Price

$118.95 plus $8.95 S&H

From the CMP website.

For an extra $28 you can have the same rifle but with a new stock. Yea you have to finish it, but thats half the fun in my book.

Good luck.

tdubya
February 20, 2007, 11:49 PM
what about the throat erosion and muzzle wear, is it still a good deal, i dont know much about the ratings for throat erosion etcc

Swampy
February 21, 2007, 09:23 AM
Guys,

Remember.... the price difference between a Rack and a Woodless Dane Rack M1 is more than just the cost of wood. You also will have to get a full set of stock and handguard METAL. None comes with the woodless Rack M1.

You will also have to purchase:

Buttplate
Buttplate screws, upper & lower
Rear sling swivel
Stock ferrule with front sling swivel
Rear handguard clip
Front handguard ferrule
Front handguard liner

To get decent stuff, expect to let loose of another $50 or more.

Best regards,
Swampy

Garands forever

ScottsGT
February 21, 2007, 09:53 AM
I just bought all the hardware from Numrich, minus the front spacer. they were out. Got that from Tony, the Garand Guy. I spent around $40 for everything including shipping, but the butt plate is almost worn smooth, so I'm thinking of getting a new one from Fulton Armory for $35. The way I see it, I'm spending $325 for the woodless, get a CMP replacement stock for $110, all the metal for roughly $50 and have under $500 in everything, then I'm going to repark and rebarrel if necessary. Hoping to have a real nice shooter for under $800 if I repark myself. I'm saving towards another woodless for my youngest son, since I'd like both of them to have a Garand for their 18th birthday. I'd love to have an original condition war vet. in good condition, but those days of the CMP are long gone unless you can afford what they throw up on their auction site. Now that's where some people with more money than sense hang out.

I guess in the end, it depends on what YOU want. A nice "restored" shooter? A nice worn, or patina finish war vet? Or just a Garand with all the parts that shoots, but maybe not accurately?

MechAg94
February 21, 2007, 12:32 PM
I have never been tied up in knots about wood quality. I would be more interested in getting a new barrel to turn a rack grade into a more accurate shooter. New barrels are $165 and up. I am debating going ahead and picking up a new barrel to put on one of my Garands later. Can't decide. I'll probably just get more ammo instead.

Dr. Dickie
February 21, 2007, 12:36 PM
Armscorp has stocks for $35 plus $12 shipping
http://www.armscorpusa.com/Products/m1_garand_parts.html

Neo-Luddite
February 21, 2007, 12:59 PM
Get one with the wood for the sake of having all the metal parts as Swampy said.

I wish I had the $$$ right now--my wife said (G-d love her) 'ammo or rifle' but not both. I've got two .06 mouths to feed already--but the Greek m2 is (hopefully) on the way.

Buy the weapon w/ wood NOW. Don't wait. It took me 12 years to get M-1 # 2 and the lust is building in me for #3.

As an asside, I've thought it would be awesome to build one with a synthetic stock and rail as a shorty--someday. That would be one nasty little cali/new york/chicago/Canada legal trunk gun. Sorry, I'm salivating on the keybord now...

tdubya
February 21, 2007, 01:18 PM
anyone has a pic of a typical rack grade?

Zullo74
February 21, 2007, 01:48 PM
All,

You do realize that the "rack" in rack grade means Junk Rack, right? If you want a shooter, the lowest grade to consider is Service Grade.

http://www.grpc-jax.com/images/Garand.gif

Neo-Luddite
February 21, 2007, 02:20 PM
OK-- a receiver with spare parts attached:rolleyes: .

My first M-1 was a Korean import prior to the re-import ban--it needed a gas system and a barrel. My bet is that these are about the same. Still a bargain if she needs work.

alamo
February 21, 2007, 03:17 PM
All,

You do realize that the "rack" in rack grade means Junk Rack, right? If you want a shooter, the lowest grade to consider is Service Grade.



You do realize the CMP has no more Service Grades or even Field Grades?

A rack grade is better than no grade.


Rack Grade Rifles are mechanically the same as Field Grade rifles above, but will show more wear on many of their parts, may have more pitting on the metal parts than a Service Grade rifle. Wood will be sound, but well used, with cracks, poor fit, and many dents and gouges. Throat erosion will be 5 or more and muzzle wear may be over a 3 on a muzzle gauge. Because the overall appearance and condition will generally be rougher than any other grade.

Zullo74
February 21, 2007, 03:53 PM
All,

You do realize the CMP has no more Service Grades or even Field Grades?

A rack grade is better than no grade.


Alamo,

I absolutely realize that fact, but I still wouldn't advise spending the money on a rack grade Garand. Look around for a better deal.
http://www.grpc-jax.com/images/Garand.gif

MechAg94
February 21, 2007, 04:11 PM
There is a better deal? Where?


I can understand your opinion Zullo. I would only buy a rack grade if you 1) don't mind some inaccuracy, 2) have plans to upgrade it with a new barrel (now or later) or, 3) can go to the CMP store and pick out one that is halfway decent.

If you don't have one at all, you may not care I guess.

whitebear
February 21, 2007, 04:37 PM
Just a note on Dr. Dickie's mention of the $35 stocks from Armscorp - per their website, this price does not include the front and rear hand guards, which run an additional $35 each.

BsChoy
February 21, 2007, 04:40 PM
Zullo I agree with the other posters....an M1 in the hand is better than 2 in the bush. Any M1 can be spruced back up to its original glory.

SoCalShooter
February 21, 2007, 04:41 PM
You could purchase a mcmillian stock, have it glass bedded, new match barrel, re-chambered for .308 and be done for somewhere about 800 bucks plus the cost from CMP.

alamo
February 21, 2007, 04:44 PM
I absolutely realize that fact, but I still wouldn't advise spending the money on a rack grade Garand. Look around for a better deal.


I've got my service grade.

But for folks that want a Garand and can't justify the prices that ones in really good shape command these days, a rack grade is the way to go. If you want a piece of history that's shootable with a reasonable amount of accuracy and can probably be cleaned up / fixed up to look pretty decent, then you should get one.

It all depends on your budget. Service grade Garands on the open market are very expensive these days.

offthepaper
February 21, 2007, 05:41 PM
I'm a little nervous about this also. I sent in my paperwork for a Greek FG it likely arrived at CMP the day or day after (not certain of the exact day of delivery) they posted on their website that they were no longer accepting applications. I did recieve an email simply stating that they recieved my order, but no other info included. So I'm not sure if I'm going to slip under the wire for a FG or not. I keep hearing rumors of the "additional 50,000" Garands they are supposed to have but cannot get any confirmation of this. I also have read on this forum that possibly Danes may be substituted for the Greeks in the FG's. Has anyone else heard any info. Does the fact that I recieved the "confirmation of your order" email bode well for me , or is some type of automated response that everyone would get, whether you are going to actually recieve a rifle or not? Or would they simply sent me a notice that they would not accept my application?
Anyone know?

onemsumba
February 21, 2007, 06:35 PM
I've bought several field grades and they have been fine also a few rach grades and no complaints there either.

cracked butt
February 21, 2007, 06:50 PM
Sometimes rack grades turn out to be fine shooters.
They are an outstanding buy if you plan on having the rifle rebarreled.

crebralfix
February 21, 2007, 06:58 PM
If a rifle can shoot 4 MOA (4" at 100 yards), it is capable of hitting a man at 500 yards.

Most people I have seen can barely do 4" at 100 yards from any position other than the bench (exceptions are at the RWVA and in training classes). Heck, most cannot get three shots into a one inch square at 82 feet.

Rack grade rifles should be able to do 4 MOA.

Gator
February 21, 2007, 09:20 PM
Get one, either a rack grade, or a woodless. They will never be any cheaper.

HorseSoldier
February 22, 2007, 06:21 PM
You do realize the CMP has no more Service Grades or even Field Grades?


I don't know what they are saying on the website, but I was in the South Store today (Thurs, 22 Feb) and they had a good number of Danish Field Grades on the store racks that were not there a while back when I bought my (Greek) field grade. No more Greek field grades, though, unless I missed them once I got all focused in on a Danish field grade with a serial number in the 70,000 range.

Also had Greek and Danish rack grades, woodless Dane rack grades, and a small number of IHC and H&R Garands for $600 apiece (not sure on their grade, but I'd guess field grade from the condition).

There were also two M1 Carbines on the counter. Not for sale yet, apparently, but they looked good. Prominent Italian cartouches on the stocks, but they looked mechanically very nice (I didn't get to fondle them, so that assessment is without a real detailed examination).

MechAg94
February 22, 2007, 06:48 PM
Thanks for the carbine comments. I like what I am hearing about them. I am a bit concerned about the pricing though. We'll see. Got another month or two now.

Gator
February 22, 2007, 07:24 PM
I don't know what they are saying on the website, but I was in the South Store today (Thurs, 22 Feb) and they had a good number of Danish Field Grades on the store racks that were not there a while back when I bought my (Greek) field grade.


Whatever service and field grades are left are in the stores. There are not enough rifles to take orders for, so the stores are the only place to find them.

auberg
February 22, 2007, 09:46 PM
Folks, I was in the South store about 2 weeks ago. The Danes FG are very good. I wasn't expecting to buy another Garand, (I puchased a Greek FG just a month before.) but when I measured the ME 1+ and then the TE 2, I was sold. Did I mention that it also had a VAR barrel on it. Yes, I did have to go to the store and pick it out, but that was part of the fun. I was sent to Birmingham on business, it so happens business was good on that Saturday at the CMP.:D

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