Pics of double rifles and description of caliber


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Sniper X
February 21, 2007, 01:42 PM
I'd love to see posters pics of their double rifles if anyone here has them. I know they are very expnesive, and I have had the oppertunity to shoot one in .577 Kynoch Nitro Express...and whoa! It was a life changeing experience! A $45,000.00 rifle which cost like $50.00 a shot?! Wow oppulance to the max! It was a very beautiful rifle though! Some English make I can;t remember.

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jcs271
February 21, 2007, 08:21 PM
Withdrew my thoughts. Prefer to keep the sale private.

The Grand Inquisitor
February 21, 2007, 08:30 PM
IT IS FOR SALE! 15K
Yesterday 06:42 PM


Sure, why not through in another one? Only 15K and it shoots a totally obsolete, impractical cartridge---AWESOME!

No offense, I just don't get the ultra-high end shotguns/doubleguns.

Il Duca
February 21, 2007, 08:44 PM
I just don't get the ultra-high end shotguns/doubleguns.

The double's purpose is to give a near instantaneous follow up shot while hunting dangerous game, also reason for the impractical, high powered cartridge. And most of the money is not paid for the actual rifle, it's in the embelishments: fancy wood, engraving, inlay, etc. Not to mention having a hand built, ultimate quality firearm. It's also a status thing.

The double shotguns are usually used for upland bird hunting, which in general is an upper class sport. A rich man's sport calls for a rich man's shotgun, again a status thing. If I was independantly wealthy and liked to hunt Pheasant, I would buy an H&H side-by-side. Until then, I'll have to stick to my Baikal.:D

dakotasin
February 21, 2007, 11:29 PM
upland bird hunting an upper class sport? nah... not 'round here. more 870's and mossberg 500's held together w/ a bent nail than anything else. these guns are held by folks slogging through corn fields and sloughs wearing workboots that shoulda been tossed out 2 years ago, hunting over labs that efficiently and obediently flush, mark, and retrieve.

Patriot-Brewer
February 21, 2007, 11:45 PM
Hey SniperX, was the owner a Fudd?:D I think I'd be afraid to hold it, let alone shoot the thing. I don't know anyone with such a rifle.

Il Duca
February 22, 2007, 12:53 AM
Sorry Dakotasin but everything I've ever seen in regards to upland bird hunting has been advertising and pics in magazines and articles in such that usually group upland with a very high class looking individual sporting a fine double hunting with a very well bred looking Setter or Retriever, so that's usually what I associate it with and still think of it as a rich man's sport. We don't exactly have alot of Pheasants and Grouse in Florida you know. Wish we did, I'd love an excuse for a nice SxS...

Sniper X
February 22, 2007, 11:30 AM
triot, this was in Monterey Ca where I lived at the time. Guy was at the range I attended and was a multimillionaire who lived on 17mi Drive in Pebble Beach and get this, drove to the range in his Ferarri F40! He had the rifle there and was preparing to shoot it and asked if I wanted to be the first to which I said hell yeah! It was some double named brit peice, very embellished and beautiful. In a case that was equally beautiful and after putting it together and handing it to me with two ginormous .577 nitro Express rounds I loaded and shot it. I seem to remmber it haveing set triggers as well as a firing trigger for each barrel but may be remembering incorectly. It weighed a ton and shot like you'd expect witha moderately violent recoil. I hit the target at 100 yards, but not at the aim point! He said he got a "deal" on it at $45,000.00...yeah, that is a deal!

taliv
February 22, 2007, 11:49 AM
Sure, why not through in another one? Only 15K and it shoots a totally obsolete, impractical cartridge---AWESOME!

No offense, I just don't get the ultra-high end shotguns/doubleguns.


at least you didn't call for a ban :rolleyes:


Sorry Dakotasin but everything I've ever seen in regards to upland bird hunting has been advertising and pics in magazines and articles in such that usually group upland with a very high class looking individual sporting a fine double hunting with a very well bred looking Setter or Retriever, so that's usually what I associate it with and still think of it as a rich man's sport.

you mean like milwaukee's best commercials showing expensive sports cars and attractive women? pleaaase

Sniper X
February 22, 2007, 12:15 PM
I am all to well aware that these rifles are for the rich only as I have never seen one under about $20.000.00 and have seen them for well over $200,000.00. I was wondering if anyone here had one and what it was like to actually go out and shoot it because of the cost of shooting it and the value of the rifle and what you hunt if anything with it. Also, aren;t these dedicated to dangerous game of Africa? I'd thik anyone wealthy enough to own one of these rifles would be also able to go to Africa many times a year to hunt Elephant, Cape Buffaloe, or other dangerous game.

The Grand Inquisitor
February 22, 2007, 01:52 PM
at least you didn't call for a ban:neener:

Of course there's no reason to ban them, but they are just so amazingly expensive that I don't understand the interest that non-millionares have in them.



I can't find the psot, but a few months ago someone found an Italian company making a side by side bolt action rifle (with 2 bolts) that was around $350,000.

Jim Watson
February 22, 2007, 01:58 PM
Friend of mine saved up and bought a Webley .450 BPE (black powder express) hammer double rifle. $2400, several years ago. Made in the 1880s or 90s but with steel barrels, it is safe and strong enough for Nitro-for-black loading. It is not really an elephant-rhino-hippo-buffalo gun but would do anything to a lion or big plains game that needed doing; if you were in open sight range.

Double rifles are kind of an expensive hobby. If they don't attract you, you will think them extravagant, but if you like them, there is nothing like a fine double.

SaMx
February 22, 2007, 02:02 PM
where are pics of that fancy double rifle made for some sort of middle-eastern prince? I remember hearing that it was the most expensive rifle ever made, and it had all sorts of jewels inlaid in it.

ClarkEMyers
February 22, 2007, 02:38 PM
I have one on a shotgun action in .30-'06, extractors only, that I bought mostly as a pack rifle because it is a reliable takedown rifle for harder to access spots in Idaho not Africa. No decoration and no competition to Elmer Keith's collection.

Of course the best double rifles are amazing things just as the best shotguns are - simple things like the fit of the breech and ejectors and making many pieces of steel look like one piece is amazing.

redneck2
February 22, 2007, 06:04 PM
I find it kind of amusing that someone would...

pay 30k for a car...

drive it a few years, ...

lose 2/3rds of the 30 in the process,

but wonder how someone can pay 30k for a rifle, own it for 10 years, then sell it for 40k

If you want to buy a double rifle and have the bucks, knock yourself out.

H&Hhunter
February 22, 2007, 07:23 PM
WOW!!!!

There seems to be more misinformation and misconceptions about doubles than there are about black guns. First of all not all double rifles are in the $50,000 and up category. If a guy wants a solid no frills working double rifle they start at about $8500 new.

Cheap?

No but I know lots of guys who own .50 cals and assorted other toys in that price range. heck I know guys who have more than that into race pistols. Not to mention that a guy won’t think twice about buying a $9,000 four wheeler or a $20,000 bass boat that will be worthless in two years. Because they don’t see the price only the $125.00 a month fee HELL YES we can all afford one of them.;)

As far as ammo. Yes if you buy it it’ll break your piggy in rapid fashion. I reload as do most serious blue collar double shooters. I’ve got my costs down to a couple of bucks a round. Kind of like shooting a .50 BMG. Huh?

As redneck mentioned a double is a gaining asset. An actual toy that retains and gains value. What a concept. If you’d have bought some of the British guns that were floating around 10 years ago in the $7,000 to $15,000 range and kept them they have increased 3-500% in value. How have your stocks and bonds done over the last 10 years?

Mr. Inquisitor states in a very rude and ungentlemanly fashion I might add :

“Sure, why not through in another one? Only 15K and it shoots a totally obsolete, impractical cartridge---AWESOME!”

This comment can only be made by man whom is totally ignorant as to the purpose and tradition of the double rifle and the cartridges they shoot. And why they are still a preferred dangerous game platform in modern African hunting.

The whole reason the double rifle was developed was so that a hunter who was far from civilization, and any ability to repair a rifle would have two separate actions incase one was to fail he wouldn’t be at the mercy of the savage wilds he was engulfed in. They are two complete rifle attached by a common rib if one fails you've still got the other. The second reason was that there was no rifle on the planet that handled pointed and delivered a second heavy caliber bullet with the speed dependability and ease as that of a heavy double rifle.

The rounds were developed to deliver a crushing blow to the heaviest of all the land mammals at close range in defense of life. They were all developed to do so with minimal case pressure so as to remain reliable in any temperature and to assure consistent extraction. Which is why the cases are so large and are inevitably rimmed cases with large a extractor grove built into the action.

All of the above factors are still true today and are the reason many professional hunters and clients alike still use double rifles.

I shoot an American made Searcy Field Grade .470 NE boxlock ejector rifle. I bought it three years ago for $8500. New. I just traded it even money for a new Searcy PH grade box lock that retails for $10,500. So in three years my rifle has gained 23% in value and that is after some serious use and abuse. To each their own I am not suggesting you should break the bank and go out and buy a double gun.

But there is no reason to get your panties in a wad over those who do.


The .470NE is the most common of the NE cartridges it fires a 500 gr bullet at 2150 FPS and does so at about 30,000 CUP.

Below are several pics of my rifle the first is with a Cape buffalo that I killed with it at spitting range during a charge in the Zambezi valley in 2004.

The next is with two hogs I killed with the ole “right & left” you hear so much about from the old time ivory hunters.

The last is a picture of a pretty rifle with the worlds ugliest shooter.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/GTAllyn/Dagaboys2.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/GTAllyn/Hogsdogsdoubleswebready1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/GTAllyn/Aproperdouble.jpg

We are all on the same side or at least we damn well better be to ride the storm coming in the next few years. We hang together or we hang seperate.. I support the 2nd A and ALL types of shooting and firearms and I happen to be a hunter as well. Terms like "FUDD" do nothing to help our cause.

Some of you wayward 2nd A warriors should take a little peak and see what Mr Searcy of Searcy rifles, the largest American double rifle producer has done to support the NRA. I think you'll find that your contributions have been paltry in comparison.

I hope that this has cleared up some of the misconnceptions about the fabled double rifle.

It does not take a millionare to own and shoot a double. In fact many PH's in Africa who own and shoot doubles make less than your average janitor here in the USA. It's just like a cowboy who makes $15,000 a year owning a $3000 saddle sitting atop a $6,000 horse. Best tool for the job and all that.

formerflyer
February 26, 2007, 03:38 AM
I just have to second what H&H said above. Double rifles are specialized tools that have been optimized for living, working and hunting in very dangerous places.

Prices for entry-level doubles in medium cartridges can begin under $5,000 NIB. This will get you a no-frills 9.3 x 74R, a cartridge that is near the power of a .338 or a .35 Whelen, but with a wide rim, a voluminous case and larger diameter bullets to optimize it for Dangerous Game in a double rifle. It is just under the power of a .375 H&H and barely legal for hunting DG in most of Africa. It launches a 286 gr. .366 caliber bullet at 2250 fps.

The next step up is a heavy rifle, sometimes called a "stopping rifle", typified by heavy cartridges that usually have names that start with .4 or .5. They will launch bullets with sectional densities of .3 or higher (usually weighing 500+ grains) at speeds of 2050 to 2250 fps, depending on the specific cartridge. H&H's Searcy is the quintessential version, a no frills dangerous game rifle in .470 Nitro Express.

I was only planning on one trip to Africa (figuring that I'd get it out of my system) and so when I built up a dangerous game rifle I decided against a double. Instead I spent $3,500 for a no-frills .458 Lott based on a Win M-70 action. If I had it to do over again, I'd take that $3,500 and put it toward a Searcy. My M-70 is probably worth less than I paid for it, but I don't know of anybody that has lost money on a double.

As far as the comments about rich double gun owners and African hunters, hereís how it works. I make a decent living, I have no credit card debt, I live in a small townhouse, I drive an 11-year-old truck, and I donít have an ATV, bass boat or Harley. What I do is spend my money on guns and hunting. This means that I can afford nice toys that go bang, and trips to places where theyíre fun to use. Oh, and that one time trip to Africa? Yeah, right! I donít know anybody thatís been that isnít planning on going back, myself included.

H&Hhunter
February 26, 2007, 10:00 AM
Formerflyer,

Not only did you buy a $3500 Lott. IT was worlds most ugliest .458 lott ever built.

I wonder who the sorry SOB who thought that one up was? If I ever find out who it was that thought up design of your Lott I'm going to give him a sound trashing.;)

Sure shoots good though.

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